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Author Topic: BLOG: the WHOLE story behind "Evelyn Evelyn"  (Read 42567 times)

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Re: the WHOLE story behind "Evelyn Evelyn"
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2010, 07:00:15 AM »

I think the most interesting thing here is the mention of Amanda's record label, which I hadn't heard of until now. I want to know more.
8ft records was the original release label for the first album and some other stuff......I think my copy of Dresden Dolls is an 8ft copy...cant find it at the moment

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the pants dude is referring to a's oblique reference to roadrunner
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Re: the WHOLE story behind "Evelyn Evelyn"
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2010, 07:09:07 AM »

Apparently the Evelyns are offensive http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/02/09/evelyn-evelyn-ableism-ableism/

But don't bother commenting on this woman's blog if you feel differently because

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Special commenting note: First-time commenters, please read and abide by our comments policy. Kindly refrain from commenting if your argument consists of any of the following: “You just don’t get it,” “You do not understand art,” “You are taking this too seriously,” “Evelyn Evelyn is not real, therefore the stereotypes about disability examined here do not matter,”  “Justify your experience and/or disability to me, NOW,” “Why are you criticizing Amanda Palmer? She is brilliant; how dare you!” I am familiar with all of these arguments — please be aware that they will probably not add anything to the discussion because they are classic derailing tactics, and I will most likely decline to publish comments that utilize the above arguments.

when i first saw this sbox post,
i wonder if this wasn't a concept blog,
with a concept comment policy,
for a+jw's concept album

perhaps by a+or+jw, but probably by a fan

but it appears people actually have these feelings,
for whatever reason

that is, the blog represents the feelings of some of those
who are disabled in some ways

though i'm glad the internet gives them a place to share and vent,
i hope they get beyond it, and have (imho) a better life

sad they haven't realised that everyone is disabled in their own ways.
part of the human condition.  
some 'worse' than others.

but what's important,
is how you live,
and what you do with the life you have
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Re: the WHOLE story behind "Evelyn Evelyn"
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2010, 07:34:40 AM »



sad they haven't realised that everyone is disabled in their own ways.
part of the human condition.  
some 'worse' than others.

but what's important,
is how you live,
and what you do with the life you have
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Re: the WHOLE story behind "Evelyn Evelyn"
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2010, 07:42:46 AM »

8ft records was the original release label for the first album and some other stuff......I think my copy of Dresden Dolls is an 8ft copy...cant find it at the moment

I thought it would be something like that. So, why are people stressing about where she's going to go after Roadrunner when she's already laid the groundwork for her own independent label?

By the by, I loved some of the comments in response to that blog post going on about how this concept is somehow discriminatory to "disabled" persons. You can tell none of those people actually have disabilities. Nowadays people with disabilities describe themselves as "differently abled" not "disabled". The response is so patronising it's more discriminatory than the idea ever could have been in the first place.
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Re: the WHOLE story behind "Evelyn Evelyn"
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2010, 07:54:06 AM »

I think the most interesting thing here is the mention of Amanda's record label, which I hadn't heard of until now. I want to know more.
8ft records was the original release label for the first album and some other stuff......I think my copy of Dresden Dolls is an 8ft copy...cant find it at the moment

raliel

the pants dude is referring to a's oblique reference to roadrunner


Lol Len, actually no, I was referring to 8ft records. I did know that she was signed to Roadrunner and all the shit that's going on between her and the label at the moment, but I didn't know that Amanda had a functioning independent label. I may only be a reasonably recent convert, but I do know about everything that's happened since the second Dolls album. What's the story with 8ft anyway? I'm assuming it was just run by Amanda and cohorts before the dolls signed to Roadrunner.
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Re: the WHOLE story behind "Evelyn Evelyn"
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2010, 10:29:50 AM »

I thought the Evelyn Evelyn project might have something to with Record contract complications. I hope RR play fair on this one and let it go… 

As for offensive:

There are some interesting ideas within the disability movement about how disability is defined and what can be thought of as constituting obstacles towards those with atypical psychical/mental predicaments. Maybe that’s one for the “grey matters” section but my conclusion about Evelyn Evelyn is that the act shouldn’t create or exacerbate any (existing) problems.

Then there is the old “what’s fair game in comedy/art/entertainment” question. If you can’t make jokes/art/entertainment for fear of upsetting people then you’ll forever have an elephant in the room.  Another way of looking at it: Would conjoined twin entertainers ignore their predicament or would they joke about it to lighten the mood? If they chose to joke about it, could they avoid bringing stereotypes into it? Probably not. we except fictionalisation and exaggeration as a part of entertainment and as part of the heuristics of life.
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Re: the WHOLE story behind "Evelyn Evelyn"
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2010, 12:24:22 PM »

sad they haven't realised that everyone is disabled in their own ways.
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some 'worse' than others.

but what's important,
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this <3 made my day
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Re: the WHOLE story behind "Evelyn Evelyn"
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2010, 12:37:25 PM »

so... are the sisters actually real then? i am like sooooo confused xDD

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Re: the WHOLE story behind "Evelyn Evelyn"
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2010, 12:46:06 PM »

By the by, I loved some of the comments in response to that blog post going on about how this concept is somehow discriminatory to "disabled" persons. You can tell none of those people actually have disabilities. Nowadays people with disabilities describe themselves as "differently abled" not "disabled". The response is so patronising it's more discriminatory than the idea ever could have been in the first place.

Not everyone who is "traditionally" disabled, has caught onto the
"differently abled" idea.

Not clear to me how many of these bloggers are 'challenged' by
physical or mental differences.

This blog is also self-labeled as "feminist",
and there are community of
people who label themselves that way,
who have lot's of unusual perspectives.
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Re: the WHOLE story behind "Evelyn Evelyn"
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2010, 12:47:40 PM »

so... are the sisters actually real then? i am like sooooo confused xDD

:P

It’s a global conspiracy as big as the mysterious murder of Amanda Palmer. ;D

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Re: the WHOLE story behind "Evelyn Evelyn"
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2010, 12:55:50 PM »

so... are the sisters actually real then? i am like sooooo confused xDD

:P

It’s a global conspiracy as big as the mysterious murder of Amanda Palmer. ;D



Aha okay. gotcha now ;D
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Re: the WHOLE story behind "Evelyn Evelyn"
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2010, 01:34:09 PM »

so... are the sisters actually real then? i am like sooooo confused xDD

:P

this is part of the
mystery and art of the sisters

go and see them live,
and form your own opinion
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Re: the WHOLE story behind "Evelyn Evelyn"
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2010, 01:50:17 PM »

so... are the sisters actually real then? i am like sooooo confused xDD

:P

this is part of the
mystery and art of the sisters

go and see them live,
and form your own opinion

Aprill 17th will answer my question :)
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Re: the WHOLE story behind "Evelyn Evelyn"
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2010, 01:51:40 PM »

i never even thought of evelyn evelyn as DISABLED.  :-\


same... I don't get how people can be offended by this. It's not like they're saying "We're disabled hahaha!"

Also, I like the latest comment on that blog: "It’s our blog. We’ll focus on what we consider important." How mature.

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Re: the WHOLE story behind "Evelyn Evelyn"
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2010, 01:53:31 PM »




I've heard about Evelyn Evelyn for quite a while.  I thought it was a lark, but wasn't sure, until I went to the Myspace where it was immediately obvious it was Amanda and Jason.  I agree with the poster who stated that there's nothing wrong with a bit of fun and silliness.  While I can see where the above blogger who is offended by it is coming from, and respect her opinion, it is not one that I share.  The only problem I have with this whole thing is this:  Not everyone who buys tickets to see Evelyn Evelyn will be in on the "inside joke", as someone put it.  Some will truly believe they are going to see real-life conjoined twins.  Will these people have a right to feel disappointed and/or ripped off when they discover the truth? 
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