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Title: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 08, 2011, 12:34:39 PM
Does it bother anyone how the media pushes this digusting, perverted idea of beauty upon us? Why is this considered beautiful: (http://superlossdiet.com/pics/skinny-model-1.jpg)

while this is considered ugly?

(http://media.onsugar.com/files/ons1/307/3075859/21_2009/7ade153933d54949_Plus_Size_Lingerie_2.jpg)

I come from a Christian family and I believe that God made all of us in His image. Everyone is beautiful and I don't think it's fair the way we brainwash our culture by shoving these pictures tooth pick women. Am I right or am I right?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: tanqgirl on June 08, 2011, 01:05:07 PM
now i'm not attracted to women, BUT if i were i'd have to admit that i'd want you to look like a damn woman, if you have no curves and/or are shaped like a boy then fuck off...i like my boys to look like boys and girls to look like girls
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pandora on June 08, 2011, 01:15:55 PM
I come from a Christian family and I believe that God made all of us in His image. Everyone is beautiful and I don't think it's fair the way we brainwash our culture by shoving these pictures tooth pick women. Am I right or am I right?
You are extremely right. Although I feel like saying things like 'real women have curves' (like some people do) is being insensitive to girls who are very skinny and have no curves. I hate it when people say only one particular type of person/woman is beautiful, whether that type is very thin like a model or more curvy. We are all beautiful! Man that sounds like such a cliché but it's mainly true. For me a person can only be truly ugly when they have an absolutely horrible personality.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on June 08, 2011, 01:18:40 PM
I like my girls to look like cephalopods but there we go.....body image is a hard subject as we appear to have always had a need to dress or be attractive and the way that the fashions of body alter over time is fascinating....however the post 60''s stick figure image is possibly one of the more harmful ones...and also one of the most prolific in media
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on June 08, 2011, 01:19:52 PM
I wrote an essay once about the nature of baeuty and how it can be found in all things and yes ugliness is a state of mind not physicality
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: lentower on June 08, 2011, 01:56:50 PM
beauty in people has to do with how they are,
and how they interact with others

i appreciate exterior style as well
(clothes, makeup, hair style)
as an art form
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Cirque on June 08, 2011, 02:02:02 PM
That thin girl doesn't have boobs. She didn't feed them and they died.  :-\
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: spider jerusalem on June 08, 2011, 02:43:17 PM
Don't get me wrong, but both are ugly to me. Or rephrasing myself: I don't find any of them attractive. But if I had to chose, I'd get the second one.

That thin girl doesn't have boobs. She didn't feed them and they died.  :-\

basically that.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Sarah Doll on June 08, 2011, 02:52:49 PM
Beauty only exists where we view and appreciate it. The same goes for ugliness.And everything's relative.
I don't follow the belief that 'real women have curves', because that creates as much of a complex in skinnier girls as fashion magazines, etc give to 'larger' women. I like what I like, and that goes for both genders. I like my guys wiry or cuddly, and gals with tiny bewbs and ones with hips. As long as they're healthy and happy with their body, then so am I. Beauty is beauty. And appreciation of beauty is different to attraction. Sometimes people say someone's ugly just because there isn't that immediate attraction, though said person may be quite beautiful.

On the whole skinnier girls complex, I was a lot hippier with more boobage about a year or two ago and was quite happy that way. Due to personal shizz, I've lost quite a lot of weight (and boobs... sniffle...) so I really don't buy in to the image of what a "real woman" looks like.

Okay, I may have rambled but was hopefully on topic...
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: tanqgirl on June 08, 2011, 02:55:09 PM
That thin girl doesn't have boobs. She didn't feed them and they died.  :-\

HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...this just made my day!!!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on June 08, 2011, 05:05:02 PM
we all look the same on the inside.....kind of wet and red with white and yellow icky bits
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Captain Oblivious on June 08, 2011, 06:09:55 PM
we all look the same on the inside.....kind of wet and red with white and yellow icky bits

Basically this. Unless you've got diseased organs, in which case add some shades of grey and black.

I would very much like it if we were given more room to interpret beauty. Like, give us a choice of women, curvy or thin, and not just force feed us airbrushed photos of "perfect" women that aren't even perfect. Everyone has something they don't like about themselves, the most successful models are going to have cellulite or pimples or uneven breasts. That's beauty, the things that make us unique.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on June 08, 2011, 07:51:03 PM
(http://superlossdiet.com/pics/skinny-model-1.jpg)
Wow, if she would just get GIANT implants......     

[pardon me while I run into the loo and have a good barf...]
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 08, 2011, 08:21:26 PM
I come from a Christian family and I believe that God made all of us in His image. Everyone is beautiful and I don't think it's fair the way we brainwash our culture by shoving these pictures tooth pick women. Am I right or am I right?
You are extremely right. Although I feel like saying things like 'real women have curves' (like some people do) is being insensitive to girls who are very skinny and have no curves. I hate it when people say only one particular type of person/woman is beautiful, whether that type is very thin like a model or more curvy. We are all beautiful! Man that sounds like such a cliché but it's mainly true. For me a person can only be truly ugly when they have an absolutely horrible personality.

I agree with you whole hardheartedly.

As I've said, everyone is beautiful. I doesn't matter if you're thin, thick or inbetween. But the media, especially the porn industry, seems to focus solely on women who turn their bodies into funhouses.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on June 08, 2011, 08:22:45 PM
(http://superlossdiet.com/pics/skinny-model-1.jpg)
Wow, if she would just get GIANT implants......     

[pardon me while I run into the loo and have a good barf...]


....because I wanna be just like her....
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Tiervexx on June 08, 2011, 09:44:52 PM
denying that some people look better than others is just a revolt against nature.

I don't want to date a woman but it just so happens that my preference in weight lines up very well with healthier BMI's.  I think most people evolved that way for a reason.  I Think women look best when they are JUST thin enough not to have a protruding gut and fat is not built up around their head.

I frequently work hard to make a friend with body image issues feel better about herself because she is in GREAT shape while feeling like she is too fat, but that is only because she really is not fat.  If someone (male or female) is eating themselves to death you are not doing them a favor by helping them feel better about it.

The idea that a 6 foot tall woman should only weigh 100 lbs is terrible and comes from the media, but the revulsion from morbidly obese people comes from our natural urge to avoid dangerous health issues.

Also, I wanted to say that I am tired of hearing grossly overweight people talk about how proud they are not to be anorexic.  At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on June 08, 2011, 09:50:02 PM



I wanted to say that I am tired of hearing grossly overweight people talk about how proud they are not to be anorexic.  At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.

so does putting a loaded gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger.

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Captain Oblivious on June 08, 2011, 09:53:11 PM
I'm sort of with Tiervexx on this one. It's pretty obvious to yourself and everyone else when you start eating yourself into early death.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on June 08, 2011, 10:06:24 PM
I'm sort of with Tiervexx on this one. It's pretty obvious to yourself and everyone else when you start eating yourself into early death.

...but at the same time, you can't tell someone with severe depression to "just cheer up"
and expect them to get better.  Sure, the symptoms of eating disorders can be obvious
and physical, but the cause is psychological and often invisible.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Captain Oblivious on June 08, 2011, 10:14:51 PM
I'm sort of with Tiervexx on this one. It's pretty obvious to yourself and everyone else when you start eating yourself into early death.

...but at the same time, you can't tell someone with severe depression to "just cheer up"
and expect them to get better.  Sure, the symptoms of eating disorders can be obvious
and physical, but the cause is psychological and often invisible.

Well, sure. When you suffer from depression, the logical thing is to go get help. Same thing goes for eating disorders, and any other medical condition you may have.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Tiervexx on June 08, 2011, 10:16:49 PM



I wanted to say that I am tired of hearing grossly overweight people talk about how proud they are not to be anorexic.  At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.

so does putting a loaded gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger.

#@!

Absolutely.  Does not mean you should do it but it does take a type of strength to kill yourself.  It takes no strength to over eat.  That's my point.  Most people want to skip workout sand eat huge amounts of junk food.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on June 09, 2011, 03:04:29 AM
I'm sort of with Tiervexx on this one. It's pretty obvious to yourself and everyone else when you start eating yourself into early death.

...but at the same time, you can't tell someone with severe depression to "just cheer up"
and expect them to get better.  Sure, the symptoms of eating disorders can be obvious
and physical, but the cause is psychological and often invisible.

Well, sure. When you suffer from depression, the logical thing is to go get help. Same thing goes for eating disorders, and any other medical condition you may have.
Do you know how hard it is to even admit to having a psychological disorder? and doing the "logical" thing is even harder even when you have recognised that you have an issue, be it  body dismorphia or depression
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Zephyr on June 09, 2011, 04:28:32 AM



I wanted to say that I am tired of hearing grossly overweight people talk about how proud they are not to be anorexic.  At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.

so does putting a loaded gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger.

#@!

Absolutely.  Does not mean you should do it but it does take a type of strength to kill yourself.  It takes no strength to over eat.  That's my point.  Most people want to skip workout sand eat huge amounts of junk food.

That's actually kind of offensive. You say that somehow being anorexic takes willpower. You couldn't be further from the truth. When someone has real anorexia, they CAN'T eat. It has nothing to do with not wanting to eat. It takes enormous amounts of willpower for them to actually overcome that disorder and eat something. While it may take willpower for people without anorexia to stick to a diet, for people who do have it, there's no choice.
And the same thing goes for people who overeat. It's NEVER a case of "I just want to eat and I don't care if I get fat or die". In a lot of cases it's a disorder just like anorexia. Just like anorexics can't make themselves eat, people with a binge eating disorder often can't make themselves not eat. For a healthy human being without any serious psychological issues (which I assume you are), that might be difficult to understand, but try.
You make it sound like binge eaters just lack willpower while anorexics are just really goal-oriented and will do whatever it takes to be really skinny. It often starts that way, but saying that it's all there is to it, is incredibly offensive.

It's like saying people who suffer from depression should just cheer up, or people with anxiety disorders are just cowards.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CottonCandy on June 09, 2011, 05:18:04 AM



I wanted to say that I am tired of hearing grossly overweight people talk about how proud they are not to be anorexic.  At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.

so does putting a loaded gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger.

#@!

Absolutely.  Does not mean you should do it but it does take a type of strength to kill yourself.  It takes no strength to over eat.  That's my point.  Most people want to skip workout sand eat huge amounts of junk food.

That's actually kind of offensive. You say that somehow being anorexic takes willpower. You couldn't be further from the truth. When someone has real anorexia, they CAN'T eat. It has nothing to do with not wanting to eat. It takes enormous amounts of willpower for them to actually overcome that disorder and eat something. While it may take willpower for people without anorexia to stick to a diet, for people who do have it, there's no choice.
And the same thing goes for people who overeat. It's NEVER a case of "I just want to eat and I don't care if I get fat or die". In a lot of cases it's a disorder just like anorexia. Just like anorexics can't make themselves eat, people with a binge eating disorder often can't make themselves not eat. For a healthy human being without any serious psychological issues (which I assume you are), that might be difficult to understand, but try.
You make it sound like binge eaters just lack willpower while anorexics are just really goal-oriented and will do whatever it takes to be really skinny. It often starts that way, but saying that it's all there is to it, is incredibly offensive.

It's like saying people who suffer from depression should just cheer up, or people with anxiety disorders are just cowards.

I would so agree with this. Admiring anorexics for their "willpower" is partly why society idolises these very skinny women. Anorexics do not have the willpower to take control of their whole life, so they just focus on one aspect of it. They do not have the courage to let go sometimes. They are not healthy and should not be idolised any more than morbidly obese people should be.

Actually, evolutionary speaking, we are attracted to only few things in women. One is waist-hip ratio (thinnest part of your torso to the widest part of your hips) should ideally be 0.7. Doesn't matter how little or large woman is, as long as that ratio is there. Makes sense as gathering weight to your hips and thighs is healthier than the apple-shape. Second is symmetry of the face. All else is pretty much societys beauty norms, that change.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Sarah Doll on June 09, 2011, 05:31:36 AM
It's not exactly willpower, it's more of an inbuilt compulsion or routine. That goes for whether you feel you can't eat for whatever reason or that you need to eat. I know there's a lot of obesity today, not all of it due to psychological issues, but those that may be in the habit of overeating for whatever reason will find it hard to break that. The same goes for people who can't eat properly because of some mental block or body image issues or depression, or whataver's going on with them. Psychological stuff like that kind of takes away your willpower and makes it that much harder to break the cycle. And even if you do manage to ask for help, it may be hard to take it or follow advice.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Astica on June 09, 2011, 06:06:09 AM
Not all anorexia is beauty/media/image related. I had an anorexic friend who considered the skeletal form to be what people truly looked like, and basically viewed any fat/muscle/meat on his body that obscured his bones as being unhealthy or deformed, like tumours. Gaining weight would have some sort of placebo effect on him where he would actually become sick with anxiety, so he'd starve to take the cause of the sickness away, and starving himself would make him sick, too. But he preferred being sick and looking his idea of normal to being sick and looking fat and weak.

It took me quite a while to understand that he actually didn't want to be better.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: NastyEgo on June 09, 2011, 11:46:25 AM
It took me quite a while to understand that he actually didn't want to be better.
That kind of things suck.

As for the original post I think that going into "extremes" isn't good. We were shown photos of a skeleton and a rather "big" lady. No middle ground? There are loads of women who look normal. And skinny doesn't always mean ugly. I've known some girls who looked kinda skinny, but were really tiny to add to it. It looked OK. And I'd prefer that to a "big" woman.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Cheddars Cousin on June 09, 2011, 02:20:23 PM
I am not attracted to the girl in the first pic at all.  I will admit though, that the second girl could lose a few and be quite nice to look at.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: tanqgirl on June 09, 2011, 05:41:16 PM
It took me quite a while to understand that he actually didn't want to be better.
That kind of things suck.

As for the original post I think that going into "extremes" isn't good. We were shown photos of a skeleton and a rather "big" lady. No middle ground? There are loads of women who look normal. And skinny doesn't always mean ugly. I've known some girls who looked kinda skinny, but were really tiny to add to it. It looked OK. And I'd prefer that to a "big" woman.

i think the reason there was no middle was because the point was that generally speaking people say that the skinnier types are most attractive and the larger is ugly...middle is just that, the middle, no one really says anything about them cause they're the middle...
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 09, 2011, 08:09:30 PM
It took me quite a while to understand that he actually didn't want to be better.
That kind of things suck.

As for the original post I think that going into "extremes" isn't good. We were shown photos of a skeleton and a rather "big" lady. No middle ground? There are loads of women who look normal. And skinny doesn't always mean ugly. I've known some girls who looked kinda skinny, but were really tiny to add to it. It looked OK. And I'd prefer that to a "big" woman.

Well I searched for a 'model' and that's what came up.

I never said that skinny is bad. I just don't think it's fair that people hold skinny people on a pedestal while people who are thicker or in between are considered ugly. It's okay to be healthy and all but you need to find a good medium as well as enjoy who you are. What people think of you isn't all that important in the long run. You need to take care of your body and enjoy the skin in your way.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on June 09, 2011, 09:55:41 PM
I find it interesting that this thread is all about how obseession with weight loss is a bad thing....yet the very same people discussing this are constantly posting in a thread about personal weight loss.....no one is immune to body image pressures!

And psychological disorders are as real as physical illnesses but we live in a society that finds it incredibly hard to recognise the need for help with any mental health issue......it is not about willpower or the lack of it.......
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on June 09, 2011, 11:05:34 PM
I find it interesting that this thread is all about how obseession with weight loss is a bad thing....yet the very same people discussing this are constantly posting in a thread about personal weight loss.....no one is immune to body image pressures!
I think the source here is akin to your or my irritation with that guy in a $1000 suit and driving a
Mercedes who's bitching about the cost of living.  There are lots of us (myself certainly included)
who could stand to lose some weight, get in better shape, get some exercise....

...but we have several industries trying to tell us we don't just need to tone-up a bit, but
cut our weight by 20-30-50%


And psychological disorders are as real as physical illnesses but we live in a society that finds it incredibly hard to recognise the need for help with any mental health issue......it is not about willpower or the lack of it.......
Exactly.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mr. Leave Me Alone on June 10, 2011, 05:00:12 AM
Wow. This thread looked vaguely promising and now I just feel sick.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on June 10, 2011, 05:12:14 AM
umm not something i said I hope....I have my own issues....
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: VinsanityOrElse on June 10, 2011, 12:59:54 PM
Ok, so my input (if I may be so inclined)...

I've dated 1) Very ROund girl, 2) Very teeny tiny girl, 3) girl in the middle (honestly closer to skinny but you get the point...medium) and here's what I have to say...

Very ROund girl, was never happy...always worried she looked WAY too big. And truth be told, neither her weight nor her self image WAS healthy but when I tried to help her get in shape (not LOSE weight but IN SHAPE) she said she'd rather stay in and watch a movie, or party.

Very Skinny girl, always worried she'd see a little bit of flub starting up so she'd basically stop eating until it went away. OR she'd try to work out but not like how the muscles were "growing in" so she'd stop.

Medium (has curves but in the right places) girl, yeah...while she may want to tone up a bit (as Tyra Banks says "get her shape in shape") she's generally happy. We both would like to tone up, thus the weight loss thread, but at the same time we can sit and eat an entire pizza together and smile happily that it was sooooo good. And yes, sometimes (a certain time in the month) she may break down crying because her skinny jeans don't fit.

I think, as a stupid image based boy, beauty to me is defined as how healthy you are. Yes, some women/boys look very similar...but if that's how they feel the best mentally and physically cool. Some women feel better as fully rounded Big Beautiful Women, and they comfortably do what they want...cool. To me the least beautiful person is someone who is struggling in life because of the body issues she gives herself.
Wow that was a lot longer than I intended... sorry guys.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 10, 2011, 02:22:12 PM
VOS, that's why I started this thread. You're post was interesting and of course, relevant to this post. Besides, I agree with you about the whole health is beauty thing.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mr. Leave Me Alone on June 10, 2011, 04:02:57 PM
umm not something i said I hope....I have my own issues....

Nope. I sort of zeroed in on the stuff about mental illness because that's what was upsetting me, so I don't know if you said anything about anything else, but if you didn't, I'm 100% with you on what you said.


The idea that was posted that anorexics have some kind of willpower that allows them to not eat actually made me want to hit things. In suggesting something like that, you are undermining an awful struggle that a lot of people have to go through against their own minds and even what makes them feel physically 'right' in an attempt to get better.

Don't even care about the rest of this fucking debate. It's nothing groundbreaking. It's DEFINITELY been discussed on here before and I'll bet you a fiver that there's 2 other threads on it. It's just about more reasons not to bother with people anymore.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on June 10, 2011, 05:15:41 PM
umm not something i said I hope....I have my own issues....

Nope. I sort of zeroed in on the stuff about mental illness because that's what was upsetting me, so I don't know if you said anything about anything else, but if you didn't, I'm 100% with you on what you said.


The idea that was posted that anorexics have some kind of willpower that allows them to not eat actually made me want to hit things. In suggesting something like that, you are undermining an awful struggle that a lot of people have to go through against their own minds and even what makes them feel physically 'right' in an attempt to get better.

Don't even care about the rest of this fucking debate. It's nothing groundbreaking. It's DEFINITELY been discussed on here before and I'll bet you a fiver that there's 2 other threads on it. It's just about more reasons not to bother with people anymore.
i am actually quite perturbed by the naivety of some of the posts about mental illness in general...body image issues are generally linked to mental health issues rather than a lack of willpower....or a surplus of it as it were....and the biggest problem with mental health is that the person suffering is usually in no way able to deal with the problems and may externalise in many forms.....the true sickness lies with the media and in particular the fashion industry enforcing an unrealistic image upon those that are not necessarily able to objectively deal with how others perceive them....
Audrey...as you know it is always a psychological struggle .....one which we do not always win...not sure this makes much sense but I know we are agreeing
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: tanqgirl on June 10, 2011, 05:57:32 PM
I find it interesting that this thread is all about how obseession with weight loss is a bad thing....yet the very same people discussing this are constantly posting in a thread about personal weight loss.....no one is immune to body image pressures!

And psychological disorders are as real as physical illnesses but we live in a society that finds it incredibly hard to recognise the need for help with any mental health issue......it is not about willpower or the lack of it.......

as for a person who talks on both of those threads :p

i'll tell you i'm in the middle, and although i'm quite happy with where i'm at size wise, yes i'd like to tone up and get in shape. honestly i dont have any actual "weight" to lose, if i were to lose weight instead of just get more in shape (which is what i'm personally aiming for) i would probably get really sick and look like a very odd pointy skeleton...

granted i cant speak for other peoples, but for me i'm pretty much happy i just want to look better in short shorts lol and not for everyone, just me, because quite frankly i'm fucking worth it  O0


(ps i'm not fighting with you, just throwing in my 2 cents)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on June 10, 2011, 06:05:04 PM
oh understood....it just seems odd that people are kind of arguing both caes on different threads and it just shows how body image (which is generally a personal thing unless your self esteem levels are REALLY low) can be such a pervasive thing....i am a male in my VERY late 30s so I am certainly no longer the 28 inch waisted rake i used to be....and possibly slightly on the wrong side of my ideal weight....but it has not ben my major issue....(that has much more to do with a lot of other things and particularly my actual worth as a human being in general...a group I have always been an outsider of and I flit between being confortable with that, enjoying it and feeling utterly and hopelessly lost by it)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: tanqgirl on June 10, 2011, 06:19:32 PM
honestly i think i'm pretty lucky most of the time because of how i look, i'm literally in the middle so unfortunately a lot of girls who i dont know look at me and automatically dislike me because i'm not "fat" and i have curves and whatnot that generally speaking (obviously everyone's different) that's what guys like...

but at the same time it really sucks BECAUSE...if you go to the store and look at the clothes are the designers are making things for people shaped like this l and like this o  now dont get me wrong that's not a bad thing, it's great that they want to help people look good in their clothes...but i'm shaped like an hourglass so clothes for a stick figure make me look fat and awful, but clothes for bigger girls make me look like i'm hiding? i guess is the only way i can explain it...and although those clothes (generally) help those other types of body shapes look good, they make me look bad, and thats all that i can find in the stores now a days unless i go shop in the 40 year old section (fyi i'm 21, i'm not gonna wear "mom clothes") so instead i dont get to buy clothes i have to wear what i've owned forever and hope i dont like a damn 12 year old OR buy clothes that dont actually fit right and then get annoyed and dont wear them because i look weird...i'm also not gonna go to some designer store and spend money i dont have on uber expensive clothes...

sorry totally went on a rant there, but it's true and it bothers me greatly...
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on June 10, 2011, 06:23:39 PM
the simple answer is to reject modern fashion entirely (I did) and basically learn to sew or just make stuff up as you go along that you happen to like
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Captain Oblivious on June 10, 2011, 06:28:20 PM
honestly i think i'm pretty lucky most of the time because of how i look, i'm literally in the middle so unfortunately a lot of girls who i dont know look at me and automatically dislike me because i'm not "fat" and i have curves and whatnot that generally speaking (obviously everyone's different) that's what guys like...

but at the same time it really sucks BECAUSE...if you go to the store and look at the clothes are the designers are making things for people shaped like this l and like this o  now dont get me wrong that's not a bad thing, it's great that they want to help people look good in their clothes...but i'm shaped like an hourglass so clothes for a stick figure make me look fat and awful, but clothes for bigger girls make me look like i'm hiding? i guess is the only way i can explain it...and although those clothes (generally) help those other types of body shapes look good, they make me look bad, and thats all that i can find in the stores now a days unless i go shop in the 40 year old section (fyi i'm 21, i'm not gonna wear "mom clothes") so instead i dont get to buy clothes i have to wear what i've owned forever and hope i dont like a damn 12 year old OR buy clothes that dont actually fit right and then get annoyed and dont wear them because i look weird...i'm also not gonna go to some designer store and spend money i dont have on uber expensive clothes...

sorry totally went on a rant there, but it's true and it bothers me greatly...

I'm a size 6 which is a size 2, I think, in American sizes. I've always been naturally thin but until I was 16, I was a size larger. I lost a lot of weight and I've never been able to put it back on. But, I hate shopping because almost nowhere carries my size, and if it does, it's either too long (in the case of trousers, cos I'm also very short), it doesn't suit me or it's something I would never wear. So, I have to do what tanqgirl does and just wear my old clothes over and over until they fall apart.

That's also not really relevant to the topic. But, I think I would like to have more curves. I have tiny boobs, a tiny waist and a lot of my bones are clearly visible. I don't have an eating disorder, quite the opposite, but like I said, I can't put the weight back on. I have a figure that a lot of people would envy but it's really more annoying than anything.
Although, I do have quite a big ass for my size LOL

As for what Robin said, I tend not to follow trends whatsoever, I buy what I like but as I mentioned, it's not often that I see something I like that I can also afford. I should really learn to sew but I rarely have time. In the summer, I work almost every day and the rest of the time, I am busy with uni work or friends or going home.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on June 10, 2011, 06:46:46 PM
nonsense everyone has time to learn to sew even at a basic level.....we live in a world that treats time as a sparce comodity but actually we can do all that we wish
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Captain Oblivious on June 10, 2011, 06:48:35 PM
nonsense everyone has time to learn to sew even at a basic level.....we live in a world that treats time as a sparce comodity but actually we can do all that we wish

I know how to sew things like buttons and if I have a hole in a jumper or something :P
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on June 10, 2011, 06:51:31 PM
yep more of that over bigger bits of cloth.....all you need to know really....also ribbons, belts, straps etc can be used in interesting ways to make anything "fit" (most of my frock coats and tail coats have corseted backs for this very reason)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: tanqgirl on June 10, 2011, 10:03:03 PM
actually, i do sew my own clothes thank you very much  ;D  but it takes so much time, which i do currently have, but no money to buy a whole lot of fabric (actually i do have a really cute dress idea that i did buy fabric for and was gonna make but then i had my black hole issue and then we moved and now i cant find the damn fabric  >:( )

and i dont do trends at all, i wear what i like, like hell i would TOTALLY dress like a hair metal person RIGHT NOW, which i probably could if i went through all my clothes lol

Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on June 11, 2011, 12:21:00 AM
i'm another one who has dated girls ranging from itty bitty to rather large-boned, let's call it.  i've never dated anyone taller than me, i seem to like em small and mean, but i'm pretty ambivalent about girth from my own point of view unless it gets in the unhealthy range, and it has, and i've managed to herald discussions without treading on feelings, pretty much.

i learned to deal with not being terribly hot a long time ago.  however, i've never really been obese, although i've trod on the heavy side.  i find my weight tends to stay even so long as i eat consistently; if i eat too much crap for a long period of time, there is a weight i stay at, and if i take care of my food and get some exercise, i find myself at a significantly smaller weight without much notice in between.  i have also noticed i tend to be heaviest when i'm not happy.  but, what i am attracted to is pretty much the person, although i do want the person i look at the most to be on the healthy side of whatever weight they carry best.

regarding the aesthetics of bewbies; big is not always best; a good handful is probably ideal.  however, the two women i have been attracted to the most in my life both have/had pretty sizable racks.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: slyvia k on June 12, 2011, 12:07:44 PM
if i had to pick btw woman number one and woman number two, i'd pick number one. that's how ''perverted'' i am.
(i'm really not a fan of big cleavage. at all. but honestly, i think it's all about proportions. if the girl in the first pic - yes, she could definitely gain a bit of weight, for her health - had big boobs, it would be really gross and unnatural)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Tiervexx on June 12, 2011, 02:26:05 PM

That's actually kind of offensive. You say that somehow being anorexic takes willpower. You couldn't be further from the truth. When someone has real anorexia, they CAN'T eat. It has nothing to do with not wanting to eat. It takes enormous amounts of willpower for them to actually overcome that disorder and eat something. While it may take willpower for people without anorexia to stick to a diet, for people who do have it, there's no choice.

I believe that is slightly off.

Anorexics still experience hunger and they want, BADLY to eat, they just can't get past the feeling that they should not.

To clarify this debate I think I should define what I mean by willpower.  Willpower is the ability to force yourself to do what you think should be done.  It has nothing at all to do with how warped your perception of what ought to be done is.

For a healthy human being without any serious psychological issues (which I assume you are), that might be difficult to understand, but try.

A disastrously wrong assumption.  My experiences with schizophrenia allow me to understand mental illnesses better than any mentally healthy person who simply studied it.

...and I think that the temptation to compare anorexia to depression or anxiety disorder like you did is a misunderstanding.  Depressed people might want to cheer up but just can't.  People with anxiety disorder want to feel less stress but just can't.  Meanwhile people with strong eating disorders or psychotic delusions feel tempted to believe that their warped perception of self and/or their delusion is the true way to go!  They can know on some level that something is wrong with them but deep inside, but a part of them at least will insist that there is nothing to be cured.

What I know through my own experiences is that having a strong willpower can actually work against you if you are mentally ill.  This is because the mental illness changes what you think ought to be done, not necessarily your ability to carry it out.

For example, many people might see the urge to just go with the group because their the group is a weakness but that urge might stop a schizophrenic from doing what they think they know is right.  Likewise, giving into their body's natural desire to eat might stop an anorexic from doing what they really want to do.  That's what I mean when I say the ones who starve themselves are showing strength, it's just that the strength is misdirected because of their mental illness.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mr. Leave Me Alone on June 12, 2011, 02:43:07 PM
I had anorexia and was very sick. I stopped myself from eating food and at first it was 'just a diet' and took a bit of willpower, but after I started to actually get sick, it took none at all. The idea of food made me feel sick. When I did eat, I swore I could feel big slimy globs of fat sliding through my body and making me huge. There were absolutely times that I was hungry, but I convinced myself that it was a good feeling and meant that I was doing okay. Also, the whole time, I didn't think that not eating was doing the right thing and I had to keep on with it. I didn't think I was skinny and that it was good. I genuinely didn't realise I was sick or that anything was different. Half the time I was too out of it to consider what I was doing, let alone use my magical willpower to stop myself eating and the rest of the time, I thought I was still huge and eating heaps. I existed pretty much entirely on these energy tablet things my friend showed me, diet coke and cigarettes. And the occasional slice of toast. I was scared that things like fat and calories were coming into my skin through the air. It didn't take willpower because every other way I could possibly live disgusted me and made me feel like I was going to explode or something. People have died from this, by the way.

What did take willpower was starting to eat again. That was the only time during that part of my life that I was 'forcing myself to do what I thought should be done'.
I'd also go as far as to say that I'm incredibly offended, more than I have been by anything in a very, very long time. Don't suggest that the worst thing that has ever happened to me and many, many other people is simply a display of 'willpower'.

Having problems with mental illness doesn't mean you understand all the other kinds better than anyone else, mentally well or not. I would never ever suggest that I understand schizophrenia better than someone who has 'simply studied it' just because I have had other problems. I don't. Just like you apparently have no comprehension of what anorexia really is.

I'll come back to this later. I'm pissed right off at the moment and I don't think I am going to be able to say anything constructive to help the above to make sense.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Sarah Doll on June 12, 2011, 04:14:42 PM
I don't have anorexia or claim to understand it as everyone has different experiences with any problem, but I have my own food/brain issues that have pretty much halted my life and slowed it down for almost the past two years. I agree that the willpower comes in when you're trying to go against what your instincts are telling you. I've stood crying for at least an hour at times trying to make myself do something that part of my brain was telling me it didn't want to. And I have no delusions about my problem.. I don't think it's the right thing to be doing but undoing that much mental reprogramming is fucking hard.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mr. Leave Me Alone on June 12, 2011, 04:24:55 PM
Yes, people have different experiences, but I have never met or heard of a person with an eating disorder in my entire life that would be cool with people suggesting that their disease is about willpower. Except for the getting better bit.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 12, 2011, 04:43:32 PM
Wow, this thread has really took off.

Eating disorders can't be solved that easily. I know that. I've watched people struggle with it. It's the same with any type of problem like addictions and the like. It takes time and patience for people to over come it.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on June 12, 2011, 04:57:34 PM
anorexia=willpower.

Has to be the dumbest fucking thing I have heard in a long time. I would put forth a longer argument but what's the point. If you really believe something that stupid then nothing I say will change your mind.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Epigrammic Poultry on June 12, 2011, 05:18:45 PM



I wanted to say that I am tired of hearing grossly overweight people talk about how proud they are not to be anorexic.  At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.

so does putting a loaded gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger.

#@!

Absolutely.  Does not mean you should do it but it does take a type of strength to kill yourself.  It takes no strength to over eat.  That's my point.  Most people want to skip workout sand eat huge amounts of junk food.

No. It takes strength for someone with suicidal thoughts to not kill themselves and not die. Just like it takes a lot strength for someone with a serious undereating disorder to actually eat more and not die. Just like someone with an overeating disorder (and don't pretend there's no such thing) to actually eat less and not die.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Musings on June 12, 2011, 05:19:44 PM
^agree with totalfrog and Mr. Leave Me Alone


Plus, saying one body disorder is better than another is fucked up when both are unhealthy and caused by biochemistry.  By the by, I have never heard an obese person be proud that they don't have anorexia.  Don't know who Tiervexx is talking to.  Many clinically obese people are struggling with depression, self-image issues, and self-esteem issues, just like many anorexic people.

And, saying that having schizophrenia allows one the better judge ALL mental health issues than on who takes an objective view and may have studied a broader range of causes and effects of mental health issues is fucked up.

Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: insignifikunt on June 12, 2011, 11:14:58 PM



I wanted to say that I am tired of hearing grossly overweight people talk about how proud they are not to be anorexic.  At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.

so does putting a loaded gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger.

#@!

Absolutely.  Does not mean you should do it but it does take a type of strength to kill yourself.  It takes no strength to over eat.  That's my point.  Most people want to skip workout sand eat huge amounts of junk food.

That's actually kind of offensive. You say that somehow being anorexic takes willpower. You couldn't be further from the truth. When someone has real anorexia, they CAN'T eat. It has nothing to do with not wanting to eat. It takes enormous amounts of willpower for them to actually overcome that disorder and eat something. While it may take willpower for people without anorexia to stick to a diet, for people who do have it, there's no choice.
And the same thing goes for people who overeat. It's NEVER a case of "I just want to eat and I don't care if I get fat or die". In a lot of cases it's a disorder just like anorexia. Just like anorexics can't make themselves eat, people with a binge eating disorder often can't make themselves not eat. For a healthy human being without any serious psychological issues (which I assume you are), that might be difficult to understand, but try.
You make it sound like binge eaters just lack willpower while anorexics are just really goal-oriented and will do whatever it takes to be really skinny. It often starts that way, but saying that it's all there is to it, is incredibly offensive.

It's like saying people who suffer from depression should just cheer up, or people with anxiety disorders are just cowards.


THIS!!!!!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on June 12, 2011, 11:36:03 PM
anorexia=willpower.

Has to be the dumbest fucking thing I have heard in a long time. I would put forth a longer argument but what's the point. If you really believe something that stupid then nothing I say will change your mind.
if an anorexic can overcome their illness with willpower then why not just expect alcoholics, addicts, and other personality disorders to suck it up and just get over it?

good god.  if the majority of us could act right, don't you think we would?  it's awfully easy to judge from one's armchair.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: insignifikunt on June 12, 2011, 11:48:31 PM
I had anorexia and was very sick. I stopped myself from eating food and at first it was 'just a diet' and took a bit of willpower, but after I started to actually get sick, it took none at all. The idea of food made me feel sick. When I did eat, I swore I could feel big slimy globs of fat sliding through my body and making me huge. There were absolutely times that I was hungry, but I convinced myself that it was a good feeling and meant that I was doing okay. Also, the whole time, I didn't think that not eating was doing the right thing and I had to keep on with it. I didn't think I was skinny and that it was good. I genuinely didn't realise I was sick or that anything was different. Half the time I was too out of it to consider what I was doing, let alone use my magical willpower to stop myself eating and the rest of the time, I thought I was still huge and eating heaps. I existed pretty much entirely on these energy tablet things my friend showed me, diet coke and cigarettes. And the occasional slice of toast. I was scared that things like fat and calories were coming into my skin through the air. It didn't take willpower because every other way I could possibly live disgusted me and made me feel like I was going to explode or something. People have died from this, by the way.

What did take willpower was starting to eat again. That was the only time during that part of my life that I was 'forcing myself to do what I thought should be done'.
I'd also go as far as to say that I'm incredibly offended, more than I have been by anything in a very, very long time. Don't suggest that the worst thing that has ever happened to me and many, many other people is simply a display of 'willpower'.

Having problems with mental illness doesn't mean you understand all the other kinds better than anyone else, mentally well or not. I would never ever suggest that I understand schizophrenia better than someone who has 'simply studied it' just because I have had other problems. I don't. Just like you apparently have no comprehension of what anorexia really is.

I'll come back to this later. I'm pissed right off at the moment and I don't think I am going to be able to say anything constructive to help the above to make sense.


AND THIS!!!!

@Tiervexx I've got depression, an anxiety disorder and i've had anorexia, bulimia and binge eating disorder, and now i'd probably be classed has EDNOS (eating disorder not otherwise specified)

 When I was anorexic sometimes i felt hungry BUT i never wanted to eat and especially not badly! It took FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR more willpower for me to actually start eating again than it did for me not to. once you get past a certain amount of time without eating you actually stop feeling hunger in my experience.

Maybe you can understand schizophrenia as someone who suffers from it but it in no way makes you an expert on mental illness. i have my own experiences but i'd never dare claim to understand someone else's condition simply because of my own. when i was hospitalised with anorexia, i hadn't eaten ANYTHING in months, i survived on occasionally drinking juice or soy milk. i shared a ward with someone who binged on junk food and purged but wouldn't touch anything healthy, especially not carbs. i couldn't understand how she could eat that junk food at all and she never exercised. then there was another girl who'd eat carbs but not protein and was a compulsive exerciser. my point is EVERYONE suffers from their shit in their own ways. your experience of schizophrenia is probably completely different to my uncle's who suffers from it so you really shouldn't speak for anyone else and especially not of conditions that you yourself don't have any experience of.

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That's what I mean when I say the ones who starve themselves are showing strength, it's just that the strength is misdirected because of their mental illness.

is also not true, at least for me anyway. it was WEAKNESS that made me stop eating not strength. if i was strong then i would have found healthy ways to deal with my problems but i wasn't. the friend i wrote about who ate junk food and purged, well she died. she was 20. is that strength? not in my opinion. strength would have been to fight the voices in her head and just eat something and keep it down. i can say that now having been through YEARS of therapy, but not even at my worst with anorexia did i feel strong for not eating because not eating to me was easy, it was eating that was hard.  
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: BB Gun-it on June 13, 2011, 01:29:56 AM
This thread has way too many sizeist, ableist and sexist statements absolutely rife with intolerance and ignorance.

These sentiments in the majority of the population were part of why I immersed myself so heavily in the 'box a couple years ago. I'm sad to see so many people perpetuating stereotypes here, where I once felt safe.

now i'm not attracted to women, BUT if i were i'd have to admit that i'd want you to look like a damn woman, if you have no curves and/or are shaped like a boy then fuck off...i like my boys to look like boys and girls to look like girls

Girls look like girls because they identify as girls, even if they are shaped as boys and wear men's clothes and don't shave. Boys look like boys because they identify as girls even if they have long hair and feminine features and wear make up and have curves.

That thin girl doesn't have boobs. She didn't feed them and they died.  :-\

That thin girl might not have boobs because her grandmothers didn't have boobs because their mothers didn't have boobs. Alternately, she might not have boobs because she has a metabolic disorder OR an eating disorder.

As for the original post I think that going into "extremes" isn't good. We were shown photos of a skeleton and a rather "big" lady. No middle ground? There are loads of women who look normal. And skinny doesn't always mean ugly. I've known some girls who looked kinda skinny, but were really tiny to add to it. It looked OK. And I'd prefer that to a "big" woman.

The first picture is one of the first google image results for "extremely skinny." This (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1Tvq6bgus5E/TVrKHIOqC-I/AAAAAAAAAGc/oUuxKyjaTLo/s1600/fat+cavewoman+eating.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1Tvq6bgus5E/TVrKHIOqC-I/AAAAAAAAAGc/oUuxKyjaTLo/s1600/fat+cavewoman+eating.jpg)) is one of the first results for "extremely overweight." The second woman in the original post is far closer to an average weight in the USA than it is to "extremely overweight."

regarding the aesthetics of bewbies; big is not always best; a good handful is probably ideal.  however, the two women i have been attracted to the most in my life both have/had pretty sizable racks.

Referring to the size of breasts in terms of personal preference (as sylvia did) is a lot less alienating than stating it almost as fact that "a good handful is probably ideal." I have a good deal more than a "good handful" and I'd like to think that my body type suits SOMEONE'S preference.

if i had to pick btw woman number one and woman number two, i'd pick number one. that's how ''perverted'' i am.
(i'm really not a fan of big cleavage. at all. but honestly, i think it's all about proportions. if the girl in the first pic - yes, she could definitely gain a bit of weight, for her health - had big boobs, it would be really gross and unnatural)

I am not nearly as skinny as her, but I would consider myself at the smaller end of "thin." I have huge natural boobs and I like to think they're not gross.

I'm not going to touch on the mental illness thread here as I think my opinions have been presented better than I could ever present them by others (I'm in Mr. Leave Me Alone's camp, in case anyone is wondering), but the closed-mindedness and ignorance of some of the things people are expressing on this thread make me feel sick to my stomach.

Additionally, I'm almost always fantastically satisfied with my body. I have no desire to lose weight or tone up or change anything about myself until I see people expressing their opinions about what a person should look like, or what an ideal body is, or what bodily qualities are gross.

In conclusion: stop fucking judging people and state your opinions about personal preference as YOUR OPINIONS and not general opinions. And don't trivialize anyone's issues.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: BB Gun-it on June 13, 2011, 01:34:59 AM
(Sorry to double post but...)

TL;DR? Stop policing other people's bodies.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CottonCandy on June 13, 2011, 02:36:52 AM


regarding the aesthetics of bewbies; big is not always best; a good handful is probably ideal.  however, the two women i have been attracted to the most in my life both have/had pretty sizable racks.

What is "good handful" exactly? Boobs you can enturely cover with a cupped hand, ones that leave a bit over? And if the ideal is good handful then maybe girls with slightly bigger boobs just need to find a partner with bigger hands...

Surely it's what fits your frame. I was very skinny teenager and 34B (UK, 75B european, don't know uS sizes sorry). Since I've put on quite a bit of weight gradually... I'm possibly little bit overweight according to bmi but much more active and happier with my body, and my boobs are 32E(or 70E). They have always fitted my frame though! I would've looked ridiculous if I had had these boobs when I was skinny.

Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: BB Gun-it on June 13, 2011, 02:57:50 AM


regarding the aesthetics of bewbies; big is not always best; a good handful is probably ideal.  however, the two women i have been attracted to the most in my life both have/had pretty sizable racks.

What is "good handful" exactly? Boobs you can enturely cover with a cupped hand, ones that leave a bit over? And if the ideal is good handful then maybe girls with slightly bigger boobs just need to find a partner with bigger hands...

Surely it's what fits your frame. I was very skinny teenager and 34B (UK, 75B european, don't know uS sizes sorry). Since I've put on quite a bit of weight gradually... I'm possibly little bit overweight according to bmi but much more active and happier with my body, and my boobs are 32E(or 70E). They have always fitted my frame though! I would've looked ridiculous if I had had these boobs when I was skinny.

Problem 1: If you've gained weight, your band size should be bigger, not smaller. The only way this could be the case is that you were wearing improperly sized bras as a very skinny teenager.

Problem 2: You're suggesting that ALL of my future partner's need shaquille o'neal's hands. I haven't had a single partner who could contain one of my breasts in both of their hands (and I've had partners with very large hands), and I don't mind, and they haven't minded and maybe you shouldn't tell me how small my boobs should be and what I should look for in a partner based on my body type.

Problem 3: My bra size is 30H. I have these boobs. I am this skinny. I'd like to think I don't look ridiculous even though by your definition my boobs don't "fit my frame."

How about we stop making sweeping generalizations on what anyone's body should be, or what anyone with a certain body type should do, or what anyone with a certain body type should wear?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: slyvia k on June 13, 2011, 04:03:46 AM
gaah i'm so sorry, it goes to show how easily you can say bullshit and offend other people without really meaning to...  :-\
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on June 13, 2011, 04:36:21 AM
Let's make it simple.

Beauty = whatever the fuck YOU think is beautiful.

Fat, skinny, tall, short, legless, armless, big boobs, little boobs, big dick, little dick, hairy bits, not hairy bits etc are all a matter of PERSONAL preference. (If your preference is not listed, feel free to add it in)

You DON'T have the right to generalise and say that I am unattractive to the world at large.

You DO have the right to say that YOU find me unattractive.

I have the right not to give a fuck what YOU think.


This thread has annoyed me so much that I am using cap words. I hate using cap words. Don't make me do it again.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on June 13, 2011, 07:57:38 AM
This thread has way too many sizeist, ableist and sexist statements absolutely rife with intolerance and ignorance.

the preceding sentence offends me because it is full of non-words invented by 'political correctness,' which is, as i have said time and again, yet another form of exclusion.  i don't think anyone in this thread meant to commit these word crimes, and it bothers me that people take their own problems and project them onto a thread about aesthetics, where no one meant any harm.  correct them gently or point out their mistakes in wording as you see them?  sure, but don't try to make out like these guys meant to insult you, personally.  taking this shit personally doesn't make anything anyone's fault in this case.  it just makes people who shouldn't have to take responsibility for someone else's feelings of shortcoming.

regarding the aesthetics of bewbies; big is not always best; a good handful is probably ideal.  however, the two women i have been attracted to the most in my life both have/had pretty sizable racks.

Referring to the size of breasts in terms of personal preference (as sylvia did) is a lot less alienating than stating it almost as fact that "a good handful is probably ideal." I have a good deal more than a "good handful" and I'd like to think that my body type suits SOMEONE'S preference.[/quote]


well, misinterpreting a casual statement and deciding that, instead of giving fellow shadowboxers the benefit of the doubt about whether or not they meant any personal preference or were actually being insulting TO YOU is pretty alienating as well as ignorant.  since this IS a 'safe place' to me, i feel more able to allow my hair down enough to assume that no one will apply misinterpretive meaning to what i might have said, no matter how laconic my wording is, knowing from my continued presence on the box that i don't mean any harm by what i have said.  i've apologized profusely more than once when i have thought i have been insulting, even inadvertently, but i am not going to apologize for something someone assumed responsibility for owning out of the blue, blue sky.  just because i don't use the 'acceptable' types of speech in one's perception doesn't mean i have actually insulted anyone, either.  if i can't speak freely here, i don't see many places i can, honestly.

since i was stating my own preference (and referring to many women i have dated), i would assume it was more than obvious that i didn't speak for everyone's ideal, and therefore cannot accept responsibility for you projecting my casual statement about my personal aesthetics onto your own feelings of self.  what the hell do you care what i am attracted to?  how does that have any bearing on you as a person?  it wasn't meant to, and therefore shouldn't.  i don't see any males assuming i somehow said they were unattractive or that there was no one for them, just because i like people with breasts, for example.  my girlfriend right now has way more than a handful, incidentally, and i've pledged the rest of my life to her, if she will have me.  and, we've discussed our ideals in aesthetics, and neither of us 'measures up' because no one measures up to an ideal.  that's why it's an ideal and not a norm.




edit:  i do apologize if my kneejerk reaction here offends anyone inadvertently.  but, i don't see a way to defend what i meant to say jokingly, to lighten the already dragging mood in this thread any other way.  clearly it wasn't all that funny, and that's fine.  we've all got to have days when we miss the mark with humor.

  for one, it hit me sideways that so many threads were being picked apart and labeled as offensive, purely based on one or two person's feelings of self (by the way i am not referring to the actual disorder discussion).  and, by the same token, it burns my ass being told how to post and how to word my wording.  there have been statements made about gayness that have offended me here, and other statements i found ass-headed or ignorant, and i tried to give the poster the benefit of the doubt and not personalize what was said.  i don't think the same consideration when i fuck up and say something that can be interpreted two ways is too much to ask to assume i meant the non-awful way.

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In conclusion: stop fucking judging people and state your opinions about personal preference as YOUR OPINIONS and not general opinions. And don't trivialize anyone's issues.

i did state my personal opinion as my own personal opinion.  that i don't take the time to type a disclaimer every single time i post an opinion is evidence that i feel as though i am among friends who won't automatically assume the worst from what i said.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: NastyEgo on June 13, 2011, 12:59:48 PM
@Agonistes:
Thanks mate, I wanted to say the same thing about the disclaimer. Maybe we should start putting it in each and every post we make here (and make it extensively long and official), so people know that it's our opinion on topic. By our, I mean of course yours and mine as separate opinions, as I wouldn't dare generalise or tell you that you should have the same opinion.

@BB Gun-it
I didn't mean extremes as HERE (http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6040281-donna-simpson-wants-to-be-the-fattest-woman-alive). That's why I put the word in speech marks. These girls are on the completely opposite ends of the scale. No middle ground was given.
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The second woman in the original post is far closer to an average weight in the USA than it is to "extremely overweight."
That doesn't say anything, as worldwide Americans are viewed as obese (it's neither my opinion or do I support any stereotypes of that kind). Looking at the photo I'd say she might be somewhere closer the upper limit of middleweight for amateur sumo wrestling (women sumo). I think it speaks for itself.
I also never met anyone or heard of anyone who would say that girl in the first picture is attractive and in the second ugly. Amongst "normal" (i.e. average people) it's quite the opposite.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on June 13, 2011, 04:26:20 PM
(Sorry to double post but...)

TL;DR? Stop policing other people's bodies.

stop policing other people's minds.   :P

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mr. Leave Me Alone on June 13, 2011, 04:58:01 PM
People can think whatever they want. When you open your mouth and don't consider the consequences and someone else gets upset because you are essentially telling them whether or not their body is suitable, it's time to take a step back. Not that I am suggesting that that's what anyone has been doing as I haven't really read most of the posts that have been going on today, but...you know. 'Policing people's minds' and saying 'that hurts loads of people, stop it.' are two different things.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 13, 2011, 05:18:29 PM
Let's make it simple.

Beauty = whatever the fuck YOU think is beautiful.

Tell that to the media.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: BB Gun-it on June 13, 2011, 05:54:54 PM
gaah i'm so sorry, it goes to show how easily you can say bullshit and offend other people without really meaning to...  :-\

It's okay, Syl. Thanks for the apology; I wasn't trying to single out anyone or say in my post that anyone was intentionally saying hurtful things, but I was trying to point out to people that their language was alienating and thereby problematic.

I'm not trying to say that I'm perfect, either. I am fortunate enough to have fantastic friends who point out when I'm making generalizations or using alienating, oppressive or offensive language. They've helped me to change the way I think about language and the effect it has on the people around me. Oppression is so deeply rooted in the history of the English language and western culture that recognizing and changing it is a constant process and I think no less of anyone for participating in that process.
This thread has way too many sizeist, ableist and sexist statements absolutely rife with intolerance and ignorance.

the preceding sentence offends me because it is full of non-words invented by 'political correctness,' which is, as i have said time and again, yet another form of exclusion.  i don't think anyone in this thread meant to commit these word crimes, and it bothers me that people take their own problems and project them onto a thread about aesthetics, where no one meant any harm.  correct them gently or point out their mistakes in wording as you see them?  sure, but don't try to make out like these guys meant to insult you, personally.  taking this shit personally doesn't make anything anyone's fault in this case.  it just makes people who shouldn't have to take responsibility for someone else's feelings of shortcoming.

Although typically they are functionally indistinguishable, there is a difference between "politically correct" and "non-discriminating" language. These are words used to describe the ways in which we show preference for one type of person over another: ways in which we show prejudice. What I did in my initial post was correct people gently and point out their mistakes in wording as I saw them. I don't think at any point I "made out like [those] guys meant to insult [me], personally." Where appropriate, I provided examples of how their language was alienating to me and thereby had the potential to be alienating to other members of the community.

I've taken nothing personally. I have, however, been adversely affected by the language used in this thread. People shouldn't have to take responsibility for someone else's feelings of shortcoming, you're right. They should have to take responsibility for developing systems of language which do not alienate members of their community.
regarding the aesthetics of bewbies; big is not always best; a good handful is probably ideal.  however, the two women i have been attracted to the most in my life both have/had pretty sizable racks.

Referring to the size of breasts in terms of personal preference (as sylvia did) is a lot less alienating than stating it almost as fact that "a good handful is probably ideal." I have a good deal more than a "good handful" and I'd like to think that my body type suits SOMEONE'S preference.


well, misinterpreting a casual statement and deciding that, instead of giving fellow shadowboxers the benefit of the doubt about whether or not they meant any personal preference or were actually being insulting TO YOU is pretty alienating as well as ignorant.  since this IS a 'safe place' to me, i feel more able to allow my hair down enough to assume that no one will apply misinterpretive meaning to what i might have said, no matter how laconic my wording is, knowing from my continued presence on the box that i don't mean any harm by what i have said.  i've apologized profusely more than once when i have thought i have been insulting, even inadvertently, but i am not going to apologize for something someone assumed responsibility for owning out of the blue, blue sky.  just because i don't use the 'acceptable' types of speech in one's perception doesn't mean i have actually insulted anyone, either.  if i can't speak freely here, i don't see many places i can, honestly.

since i was stating my own preference (and referring to many women i have dated), i would assume it was more than obvious that i didn't speak for everyone's ideal, and therefore cannot accept responsibility for you projecting my casual statement about my personal aesthetics onto your own feelings of self.  what the hell do you care what i am attracted to?  how does that have any bearing on you as a person?  it wasn't meant to, and therefore shouldn't.

I apologize for misinterpreting your statement. Typically a misinterpretation isn't a decision one makes. You have never seen my body before; it would be outlandish for me to take that as a personal insult. I was remarking on the language you used which seemed to me to imply (from the lack of indication that you were, in fact, speaking of personal preference in your sentence structure) that generally, to everyone whose sexual orientation includes people with breasts, a handful is ideal. Again, I apologize for misinterpreting your language. I was not assuming ownership, I was providing a personal example.

You can speak as freely as you'd like here. I can too, and that includes critiquing your language and pointing out different ways in which it can be interpreted.

As I feel I've already presented, I don't care what you're attracted to, but I do care what you imply everyone is attracted to. I misinterpreted you; you've acknowledged this. What I critiqued is not what you meant so why are you upset with me for critiquing what you did mean?

As for its bearing on me as a person: sweeping generalized statements have bearing on everyone. Your personal preference has no bearing on me, but your statements that imply what everyone prefers do.

People can think whatever they want. When you open your mouth and don't consider the consequences and someone else gets upset because you are essentially telling them whether or not their body is suitable, it's time to take a step back. Not that I am suggesting that that's what anyone has been doing as I haven't really read most of the posts that have been going on today, but...you know. 'Policing people's minds' and saying 'that hurts loads of people, stop it.' are two different things.

Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on June 13, 2011, 06:58:51 PM
Let's make it simple.

Beauty = whatever the fuck YOU think is beautiful.

Tell that to the media.
Don't listen to the media.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Tiervexx on June 13, 2011, 07:09:43 PM
anorexia=willpower.

Has to be the dumbest fucking thing I have heard in a long time. I would put forth a longer argument but what's the point. If you really believe something that stupid then nothing I say will change your mind.

I'd like to point out that nobody actually said that.  I'm very frustrated with two straw man versions of what I said that most people seem to have read:

1) People with mental disorders can overcome them if they have enough willpower.  I would NEVER say that.  Nobody said it here.

2) If people were strong enough they'd be anorexic.  Also never said.

this:
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That's what I mean when I say the ones who starve themselves are showing strength, it's just that the strength is misdirected because of their mental illness.

is also not true, at least for me anyway. it was WEAKNESS that made me stop eating not strength. if i was strong then i would have found healthy ways to deal with my problems but i wasn't. the friend i wrote about who ate junk food and purged, well she died. she was 20. is that strength? not in my opinion. strength would have been to fight the voices in her head and just eat something and keep it down. i can say that now having been through YEARS of therapy, but not even at my worst with anorexia did i feel strong for not eating because not eating to me was easy, it was eating that was hard.  

I think your replies are interesting and I admit I may be projecting my own very different mental disorder onto what I think anorexia is.

My vision of it was that you think you are too fat so you make yourself stop eating even though you still feel hungry.  So I was thinking that you still are fighting hunger.  That's all I meant.  I thought it was a simple statement that was interpreted well beyond it's intended meaning.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Indja on June 13, 2011, 07:11:19 PM
This thread is ridiculous. It's either going to be about what people personally find attractive, which is the essence of the People You Would Like To Bang thread, or of us all coming together to say that, surprise surprise, we like personal freedom.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on June 13, 2011, 07:16:49 PM
anorexia=willpower.

Has to be the dumbest fucking thing I have heard in a long time. I would put forth a longer argument but what's the point. If you really believe something that stupid then nothing I say will change your mind.

I'd like to point out that nobody actually said that.  I'm very frustraited with two straw man versions of what I said that most people seem to have read:

Actually, you did.
At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Tiervexx on June 13, 2011, 07:23:35 PM
anorexia=willpower.

Has to be the dumbest fucking thing I have heard in a long time. I would put forth a longer argument but what's the point. If you really believe something that stupid then nothing I say will change your mind.

I'd like to point out that nobody actually said that.  I'm very frustraited with two straw man versions of what I said that most people seem to have read:

Actually, you did.
At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.



I went on to explain what I meant.  What I meant to say was that I thought restraining hunger takes willpower.

I could have been wrong as I said but you are running with the worst interpretation of what I said.  I admit the statement came out wrong.  Sorry.

Are you too perfect to misspeak?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on June 13, 2011, 07:51:48 PM
anorexia=willpower.

Has to be the dumbest fucking thing I have heard in a long time. I would put forth a longer argument but what's the point. If you really believe something that stupid then nothing I say will change your mind.

I'd like to point out that nobody actually said that.  I'm very frustraited with two straw man versions of what I said that most people seem to have read:

Actually, you did.
At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.



I went on to explain what I meant.  What I meant to say was that I thought restraining hunger takes willpower.

I could have been wrong as I said but you are running with the worst interpretation of what I said.  I admit the statement came out wrong.  Sorry.

Are you too perfect to misspeak?

I'm far from perfect, no one is perfect but what you said was ridiculous and I and several other people called you on it. End of discussion.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Tiervexx on June 13, 2011, 08:03:02 PM
anorexia=willpower.

Has to be the dumbest fucking thing I have heard in a long time. I would put forth a longer argument but what's the point. If you really believe something that stupid then nothing I say will change your mind.

I'd like to point out that nobody actually said that.  I'm very frustraited with two straw man versions of what I said that most people seem to have read:

Actually, you did.
At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.



I went on to explain what I meant.  What I meant to say was that I thought restraining hunger takes willpower.

I could have been wrong as I said but you are running with the worst interpretation of what I said.  I admit the statement came out wrong.  Sorry.

Are you too perfect to misspeak?

I'm far from perfect, no one is perfect but what you said was ridiculous and I and several other people called you on it. End of discussion.

I admitted I misspoke and apologized.  I don't understand why people have to get high and mighty over such things.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Tiervexx on June 13, 2011, 08:13:32 PM
anorexia=willpower.

Has to be the dumbest fucking thing I have heard in a long time. I would put forth a longer argument but what's the point. If you really believe something that stupid then nothing I say will change your mind.

I'd like to point out that nobody actually said that.  I'm very frustraited with two straw man versions of what I said that most people seem to have read:

Actually, you did.
At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.



I went on to explain what I meant.  What I meant to say was that I thought restraining hunger takes willpower.

I could have been wrong as I said but you are running with the worst interpretation of what I said.  I admit the statement came out wrong.  Sorry.

Are you too perfect to misspeak?

I'm far from perfect, no one is perfect but what you said was ridiculous and I and several other people called you on it. End of discussion.

I admitted I misspoke and apologized.  I don't understand why people have to get high and mighty over such things.

'Sorry, but you're not perfect either' and 'Sorry, but you're all overreacting' is not an apology. 
Not attacking you, just 'sorry, but' is never a good apology, it's something I try very hard to avoid doing - it's not easy.

I agree, I was still being a bit confrontational.

I read your statement more that anorexia includes willpower, not equals it.  And I didn't take away from what you said that willpower in that situation is an awesome, healthy thing.  You're just goading people into responding by basterdising your apology.

Thank you, it's nice to know someone did not totally bastardize what I said.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Morpheus Laughing on June 13, 2011, 09:19:34 PM
I probably shouldn’t jump in because people are explaining themselves but…

Sometimes obsessiveness starts with willpower - I suppose it would be more appropriate to call it diligence rather than obsession at that stage. Of course, once an action is habitual it doesn’t require willpower to maintain it – it’s force of habit from that point on. Nonetheless, the diligent and the obsessive can appear similar to observers. Additionally, people often want to move on from requiring willpower (to accomplish goals) and get to a point where they can do things habitually (ie eat fruit instead of chocolate out of habit). I can see why people might be in awe of habituation on those grounds even if the habit is destructive. It's an aspect of the frame of mind that intrigues them and not necessarily the awful reality of having an unbreakable rule owning you.  

 
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on June 14, 2011, 12:01:36 AM
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This thread has way too many sizeist, ableist and sexist statements absolutely rife with intolerance and ignorance.

the preceding sentence offends me because it is full of non-words invented by 'political correctness,' which is, as i have said time and again, yet another form of exclusion.  i don't think anyone in this thread meant to commit these word crimes, and it bothers me that people take their own problems and project them onto a thread about aesthetics, where no one meant any harm.  correct them gently or point out their mistakes in wording as you see them?  sure, but don't try to make out like these guys meant to insult you, personally.  taking this shit personally doesn't make anything anyone's fault in this case.  it just makes people who shouldn't have to take responsibility for someone else's feelings of shortcoming.

Although typically they are functionally indistinguishable, there is a difference between "politically correct" and "non-discriminating" language. These are words used to describe the ways in which we show preference for one type of person over another: ways in which we show prejudice. What I did in my initial post was correct people gently and point out their mistakes in wording as I saw them. I don't think at any point I "made out like [those] guys meant to insult [me], personally." Where appropriate, I provided examples of how their language was alienating to me and thereby had the potential to be alienating to other members of the community.

I've taken nothing personally. I have, however, been adversely affected by the language used in this thread. People shouldn't have to take responsibility for someone else's feelings of shortcoming, you're right. They should have to take responsibility for developing systems of language which do not alienate members of their community.

i should point out an opinion of mine to begin with.  it explains a lot with my reaction to your post.  that is, i am perpetually irritated by attempts to amend language, which is a naturally progressive thing, into something more palatable for people who can't handle certain words.  if words are ideas then abolishing words or phrases or manners of speaking is as bad as burning a book.  this extends from lesbian separatists who fuck with the spelling of the word 'woman' (i.e. wymon, womon, wimmin, wymobyn, whatever), to people who tell me what words i can and cannot use ('that is OUR word' for example.  shit, man, i never even wanted to say it until you said i couldn't).  that opinion of mine really has nothing to do with you, other than we fundamentally disagree on whether or not someone has the responsibility to change this.  i don't feel i have the responsibility to change this.  if someone uses a word in hate, that's on them.  if i use the same word in jest or in a tone that i think implies humor, it's a completely different thing, i feel.

that said, rudeness is still rudeness, and i don't like rudeness.  i do admit i was probably rude in my statement (which seemed at the time like i was in context but in retrospect might not have been), for which i apologize and repeat that i meant no one any harm, nor any generalization.  i do, however, understand why it was difficult to give me the benefit of the doubt since i said something that hit a trigger for you, but sometimes it's nice to just hang out and not worry about what i say as a dash off a post to a thread i'm reading as i fall asleep.

in the end what i am trying to say is it's not the word that is the culprit.  it is the speaker.  sure there are words to avoid in some situations, but that's because using them would be inflammatory or rude, not because they exist.   language is what it is, and it evolves like it does, and trying to force it into a place of non-offensive barrier from natural progression of words is wrong, because frankly, it is against the nature of the thing.
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regarding the aesthetics of bewbies; big is not always best; a good handful is probably ideal.  however, the two women i have been attracted to the most in my life both have/had pretty sizable racks.

Referring to the size of breasts in terms of personal preference (as sylvia did) is a lot less alienating than stating it almost as fact that "a good handful is probably ideal." I have a good deal more than a "good handful" and I'd like to think that my body type suits SOMEONE'S preference.


well, misinterpreting a casual statement and deciding that, instead of giving fellow shadowboxers the benefit of the doubt about whether or not they meant any personal preference or were actually being insulting TO YOU is pretty alienating as well as ignorant.  since this IS a 'safe place' to me, i feel more able to allow my hair down enough to assume that no one will apply misinterpretive meaning to what i might have said, no matter how laconic my wording is, knowing from my continued presence on the box that i don't mean any harm by what i have said.  i've apologized profusely more than once when i have thought i have been insulting, even inadvertently, but i am not going to apologize for something someone assumed responsibility for owning out of the blue, blue sky.  just because i don't use the 'acceptable' types of speech in one's perception doesn't mean i have actually insulted anyone, either.  if i can't speak freely here, i don't see many places i can, honestly.

since i was stating my own preference (and referring to many women i have dated), i would assume it was more than obvious that i didn't speak for everyone's ideal, and therefore cannot accept responsibility for you projecting my casual statement about my personal aesthetics onto your own feelings of self.  what the hell do you care what i am attracted to?  how does that have any bearing on you as a person?  it wasn't meant to, and therefore shouldn't.

I apologize for misinterpreting your statement. Typically a misinterpretation isn't a decision one makes. You have never seen my body before; it would be outlandish for me to take that as a personal insult. I was remarking on the language you used which seemed to me to imply (from the lack of indication that you were, in fact, speaking of personal preference in your sentence structure) that generally, to everyone whose sexual orientation includes people with breasts, a handful is ideal. Again, I apologize for misinterpreting your language. I was not assuming ownership, I was providing a personal example.

You can speak as freely as you'd like here. I can too, and that includes critiquing your language and pointing out different ways in which it can be interpreted.

As I feel I've already presented, I don't care what you're attracted to, but I do care what you imply everyone is attracted to. I misinterpreted you; you've acknowledged this. What I critiqued is not what you meant so why are you upset with me for critiquing what you did mean?

As for its bearing on me as a person: sweeping generalized statements have bearing on everyone. Your personal preference has no bearing on me, but your statements that imply what everyone prefers do.

i disagree that i implied anything.  as i said i can understand where your reaction might have come from regarding what i did say, but i don't agree with your assessment of it.  i understand that you feel that i did, and i accept your judgement since it really doesn't affect what i meant in the first place, but i have to admit you hit a sore spot with me...hence the strength of my tone in response.

it's no secret i come from alabama, probably.  it's also no secret that alabama, among other states, has about three hundred years of bad racial history.  like it or not, i am a part of that history because i'm from here, and 'white.'  i have been in the unique position of having more than two skinheads in the same room as three black gangstas, and accepting the business of all of them without incident or even tenseness.  i am quite used to, when i travel outside the southeast, being immediately judged on everything from my intelligence to my racial preferences, to whether or not i fuck my cousins as i run around in my imaginary white sheet, because of misconceptions, assumptions, and even outright negative propaganda dating back to about 1840 or so.  the truth of the matter is, there is no convincing me that every single human on this planet is not a racist, sexist, ageist, etc, from birth.  exclusion is human nature as much as being gregarious creatures (if this were not true, we would not, for example, have so many sects of christianity).  reverse racism is as rampant as the 'known' kind.  my point in fighting this is that we, as civilized beings, must fight the urge to ACT on these impulses, as surely as, being civilized, we fight the urge to put our elbows on the table or cuss in front of grandma or refrain from fucking children.  we do it out of respect for others and a sense of empathy, and that is a good thing.  empathy should be widely encouraged.  but it does not come naturally to humanity.  any belief that it does or should is, in my opinion, incorrect.  overcoming them is the key.  having shame because we have them is not.

my upset comes from both being misinterpreted, and also lectured on this misinterpretation.  and, i won't lie; it bothers me that you seem to have issues that DO trigger an off-the-cuff remark into a personal sort of mein; i neither stated others should feel the way i do, nor did i state that the 'ideal' i spoke of was anything other than something i sorta like.  in the context of this thread, i don't feel i answered incorrectly.  and, it bugs me when an innocent statement of mine (i grant you it was awkward and probably made too hastily) is interpreted and personalized into a meaning i never intended, and i do feel you personalized it by saying the following:

'Referring to the size of breasts in terms of personal preference (as sylvia did) is a lot less alienating than stating it almost as fact that "a good handful is probably ideal." I have a good deal more than a "good handful" and I'd like to think that my body type suits SOMEONE'S preference.'

i'm not trying to nitpick your words.  however, you went there almost immediately, and i honestly don't feel i said anything to refer to you, or your body type, or whether or not anyone finds it hot.  hell, i would probably find you hot, i am an equal opportunity pervert.  in fact, the whole 'more than a handful' phrase comes from many discussions i have had with guys i've worked with about women who augment their bewbies....and the original context i heard it in was to state that augmenting a perfectly good, albeit smallish, pair of breasts was just a waste of time, effort, siloicone, and money.  there is no point destroying something to make it into something it will never look correct being, in other words.

which, if you think about it, is the same construct i apply to language.  let it be what it is.  restricting it only makes it into restricted language; words fall out of use when you don't need them, not when you try to abolish them.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CottonCandy on June 14, 2011, 02:15:24 AM


regarding the aesthetics of bewbies; big is not always best; a good handful is probably ideal.  however, the two women i have been attracted to the most in my life both have/had pretty sizable racks.

What is "good handful" exactly? Boobs you can enturely cover with a cupped hand, ones that leave a bit over? And if the ideal is good handful then maybe girls with slightly bigger boobs just need to find a partner with bigger hands...

Surely it's what fits your frame. I was very skinny teenager and 34B (UK, 75B european, don't know uS sizes sorry). Since I've put on quite a bit of weight gradually... I'm possibly little bit overweight according to bmi but much more active and happier with my body, and my boobs are 32E(or 70E). They have always fitted my frame though! I would've looked ridiculous if I had had these boobs when I was skinny.

Problem 1: If you've gained weight, your band size should be bigger, not smaller. The only way this could be the case is that you were wearing improperly sized bras as a very skinny teenager.

Problem 2: You're suggesting that ALL of my future partner's need shaquille o'neal's hands. I haven't had a single partner who could contain one of my breasts in both of their hands (and I've had partners with very large hands), and I don't mind, and they haven't minded and maybe you shouldn't tell me how small my boobs should be and what I should look for in a partner based on my body type.

Problem 3: My bra size is 30H. I have these boobs. I am this skinny. I'd like to think I don't look ridiculous even though by your definition my boobs don't "fit my frame."

How about we stop making sweeping generalizations on what anyone's body should be, or what anyone with a certain body type should do, or what anyone with a certain body type should wear?

Problem 1: I think that might've happened too, though I have noticed my existing weight shifting around...

Problem 2: I was only referring to the post I quoted, and I find the "handful is enough" statement a bit ridiculous. I'm sorry if the joke didn't translate online, but I was just trying to point out how silly the idea of a handful being enough is... Who judges it exactly?

Problem 3: If you have that sized boobs naturally in a skinny frame, I doubt it looks ridiculous, it probably does fit your frame. I've got friends with surprisingly big bra sizes too (as in, you look at them and by no means think they look out-of-proportion, but they have very large cupsizes...)

I understand that this is a sensitive topic, though, and emotions flare up easily... I probably should refrain from commenting if I'm getting misunderstood.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mr. Leave Me Alone on June 14, 2011, 02:28:07 AM
anorexia=willpower.

Has to be the dumbest fucking thing I have heard in a long time. I would put forth a longer argument but what's the point. If you really believe something that stupid then nothing I say will change your mind.

I'd like to point out that nobody actually said that.  I'm very frustraited with two straw man versions of what I said that most people seem to have read:

Actually, you did.
At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.



I went on to explain what I meant.  What I meant to say was that I thought restraining hunger takes willpower.

I could have been wrong as I said but you are running with the worst interpretation of what I said.  I admit the statement came out wrong.  Sorry.

Are you too perfect to misspeak?

When you were first argued with on this, you brought out the 'no, I'm right, I know more about mental illness than you'. If you'd dropped it or apologised for saying the wrong thing in the first place, none of this would have happened. But you didn't and more people got offended.
Whether you intended it that way or not, people have responded to a flawed point of view about it and said some important and very true things that came out of experience or what they've learned. I hope you learned enough to consider that the way you thought it was might not be how it really is.

Let's make it simple.

Beauty = whatever the fuck YOU think is beautiful.

Tell that to the media.
Don't listen to the media.
The media doesn't even come into this, dudes. Not unless you let the more popular opinions of the media dictate all your interests (I can't imagine why you'd be on the shadowbox if that were so).
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Morpheus Laughing on June 14, 2011, 03:31:49 AM
Let's make it simple.

Beauty = whatever the fuck YOU think is beautiful.

Tell that to the media.
Don't listen to the media.
The media doesn't even come into this, dudes. Not unless you let the more popular opinions of the media dictate all your interests (I can't imagine why you'd be on the shadowbox if that were so).
The media is pretty pervasive though. Opinions on big issues are slow changing but people are susceptible to accommodating enduring motifs.  Insidious stuff is the media - especially the stuff that sits there without anyone saying much about it.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mr. Leave Me Alone on June 14, 2011, 07:44:28 AM
Thats true, but in this case, someone is saying 'if you find it beautiful, you find it beautiful, your opinion is your very own blah blah blah', which might still be the one that ~*the media*~ is ramming down your throat, but its still yours, not the one you opened a gossip rag right just then to get.
The media might be persuasive but if you can think on your own enough to disagree even a little or even totally, crazily, passionately agree with what they are saying, then what the frogster said still holds up.

Aaand im on my phone at work so if this post is nonsense i will come back to it later.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 14, 2011, 01:02:29 PM
Fuck, what the hell did I start?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: BB Gun-it on June 14, 2011, 06:31:32 PM


regarding the aesthetics of bewbies; big is not always best; a good handful is probably ideal.  however, the two women i have been attracted to the most in my life both have/had pretty sizable racks.

What is "good handful" exactly? Boobs you can enturely cover with a cupped hand, ones that leave a bit over? And if the ideal is good handful then maybe girls with slightly bigger boobs just need to find a partner with bigger hands...

Surely it's what fits your frame. I was very skinny teenager and 34B (UK, 75B european, don't know uS sizes sorry). Since I've put on quite a bit of weight gradually... I'm possibly little bit overweight according to bmi but much more active and happier with my body, and my boobs are 32E(or 70E). They have always fitted my frame though! I would've looked ridiculous if I had had these boobs when I was skinny.

Problem 1: If you've gained weight, your band size should be bigger, not smaller. The only way this could be the case is that you were wearing improperly sized bras as a very skinny teenager.

Problem 2: You're suggesting that ALL of my future partner's need shaquille o'neal's hands. I haven't had a single partner who could contain one of my breasts in both of their hands (and I've had partners with very large hands), and I don't mind, and they haven't minded and maybe you shouldn't tell me how small my boobs should be and what I should look for in a partner based on my body type.

Problem 3: My bra size is 30H. I have these boobs. I am this skinny. I'd like to think I don't look ridiculous even though by your definition my boobs don't "fit my frame."

How about we stop making sweeping generalizations on what anyone's body should be, or what anyone with a certain body type should do, or what anyone with a certain body type should wear?

Problem 1: I think that might've happened too, though I have noticed my existing weight shifting around...

Problem 2: I was only referring to the post I quoted, and I find the "handful is enough" statement a bit ridiculous. I'm sorry if the joke didn't translate online, but I was just trying to point out how silly the idea of a handful being enough is... Who judges it exactly?

Problem 3: If you have that sized boobs naturally in a skinny frame, I doubt it looks ridiculous, it probably does fit your frame. I've got friends with surprisingly big bra sizes too (as in, you look at them and by no means think they look out-of-proportion, but they have very large cupsizes...)

I understand that this is a sensitive topic, though, and emotions flare up easily... I probably should refrain from commenting if I'm getting misunderstood.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood you. I don't want to deter people from commenting. When I read that initially, I understood that it was a light-hearted comment, but it felt inappropriate to me as a response to my initial post. I apologize for being so harsh.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Tiervexx on June 14, 2011, 07:07:24 PM
Sometimes people's emotions and immediate impressions cloud a further examination (if there is one to be found) of what has been said.

I do think that some people are being way too sensitive about this comment.  No, I'm not saying you don't have the right to be 'sensitive' about matters, I'm not quashing your freedom of expression (because I know someone is going to say that I am) but message board posts can be extremely ambiguous.  (In my opinion) not once did Tiervexx suggest that anorexia was an admirable thing, regarding willpower.  Anorexia is not THE SAME for everybody who suffers from it.  For some it takes no 'willpower' although I would like to replace that word with something more appropriate but can't think of one right now - for some it takes a lot of self-restraint.  It's pretty stupid to assume that Tiervexx's comment is offensive and cannot be true because that is not what YOU have experienced. 

RE: depression etc.  When I suffered from depression, the 'logical' thing WAS to seek help.  Most people know they need help because it is not right to feel the way they do.  That does not mean that the most logical thing to do was the easiest - in fact it was the hardest.  I had to be forced, almost physically, to the point of getting help. 

Thank you.  I know that my communication skills are a little off so I'm so happy that someone understood what I was actually trying to say.

I think the main problem with my statement was the use of the word "willpower."  A lot of people seem to think it has positive connotations so therefore I must have been saying something positive about anorexia.  I generally don't think about positive or negative connotations because I don't think they are too subjective.

I'm very sorry you had problems with depression.  One of my close friends regularly makes posts on facebook suggesting she still wants to die sooner rather than latter and I hate reading them.  And yes, she is already heavily medicated for it (when she has not had her medication it's 40 times worse!).
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Morpheus Laughing on June 14, 2011, 07:23:07 PM
Thats true, but in this case, someone is saying 'if you find it beautiful, you find it beautiful, your opinion is your very own blah blah blah', which might still be the one that ~*the media*~ is ramming down your throat, but its still yours, not the one you opened a gossip rag right just then to get.
Fair enough… But yet it can be a little disconcerting to find that you might have unwittingly acquired a taste for something that is objectionable in some form just because it’s floating around in the media. I've picked up words I want to ditch.

The media might be persuasive but if you can think on your own enough to disagree even a little or even totally, crazily, passionately agree with what they are saying, then what the frogster said still holds up.
Generally agree but will say that Photo’s of photoshopped perfection do take a toll. It’s hard to argue aesthetics because a great image is great even if the intentions behind it are manipulative.   

Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on June 14, 2011, 07:33:36 PM
Thats true, but in this case, someone is saying 'if you find it beautiful, you find it beautiful, your opinion is your very own blah blah blah', which might still be the one that ~*the media*~ is ramming down your throat, but its still yours, not the one you opened a gossip rag right just then to get.
Fair enough… But yet it can be a little disconcerting to find that you might have unwittingly acquired a taste for something that is objectionable in some form just because it’s floating around in the media. I've picked up words I want to ditch.

The media might be persuasive but if you can think on your own enough to disagree even a little or even totally, crazily, passionately agree with what they are saying, then what the frogster said still holds up.
Generally agree but will say that Photo’s of photoshopped perfection do take a toll. It’s hard to argue aesthetics because a great image is great even if the intentions behind it are manipulative.   


Most images in the media are clever works of fiction. Even the most attractive people don't look anything like the images of them that circulate. You can put a stop to the toll they take on people's self image by exposing the tricks they use to create the level of deceptive perfection that is portrayed as normal.

You're right about a great image being great to look at but people need to realise that it isn't real, never was and never will be.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Indja on June 14, 2011, 07:44:20 PM
This only just occurred to me, and I've not been listening/reading to most of this thread so it's a bit random. Sorry. But! My step-mum, who is straight, says that the only woman she would ever be gay for is KD Lang. Her exact words were, "I'm not into women, but if she wanted me to be, good God I'd try." She thinks she's "the most beautiful woman in forever". People are attracted to whatever they happen to fancy, and what strikes people as truly "beautiful", not just sexy or fit or whatever but beautiful like a painting or a song or a sunset, is always going to be subjective and surprising. For some, true stunning beauty is an androgynous, boyish frame, and for others it's going to be a curvaceous, pre-Raphaelite figure, and to others there will never be anything more beautiful than a very finely carved chair-leg. To argue about whether one is wrong or right is absurd - it's like arguing over whether a painting is more worthy of the word than a song.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Morpheus Laughing on June 14, 2011, 08:02:59 PM
Thats true, but in this case, someone is saying 'if you find it beautiful, you find it beautiful, your opinion is your very own blah blah blah', which might still be the one that ~*the media*~ is ramming down your throat, but its still yours, not the one you opened a gossip rag right just then to get.
Fair enough… But yet it can be a little disconcerting to find that you might have unwittingly acquired a taste for something that is objectionable in some form just because it’s floating around in the media. I've picked up words I want to ditch.

The media might be persuasive but if you can think on your own enough to disagree even a little or even totally, crazily, passionately agree with what they are saying, then what the frogster said still holds up.
Generally agree but will say that Photo’s of photoshopped perfection do take a toll. It’s hard to argue aesthetics because a great image is great even if the intentions behind it are manipulative.   


Most images in the media are clever works of fiction. Even the most attractive people don't look anything like the images of them that circulate. You can put a stop to the toll they take on people's self image by exposing the tricks they use to create the level of deceptive perfection that is portrayed as normal.

You're right about a great image being great to look at but people need to realise that it isn't real, never was and never will be.

Exposing the process helps no doubt... Unfortunately, these lessons have to learned again and again because kids have to learn how to discern the truth and that takes time. Hopefully someone will find a way to speed that process up. I suspect a lot of emotional harm occurs in young people because they don't yet know how to cut through the trite.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mr. Leave Me Alone on June 15, 2011, 02:55:04 AM
Sometimes people's emotions and immediate impressions cloud a further examination (if there is one to be found) of what has been said.

I do think that some people are being way too sensitive about this comment.  No, I'm not saying you don't have the right to be 'sensitive' about matters, I'm not quashing your freedom of expression (because I know someone is going to say that I am) but message board posts can be extremely ambiguous.  (In my opinion) not once did Tiervexx suggest that anorexia was an admirable thing, regarding willpower.  Anorexia is not THE SAME for everybody who suffers from it.  For some it takes no 'willpower' although I would like to replace that word with something more appropriate but can't think of one right now - for some it takes a lot of self-restraint.  It's pretty stupid to assume that Tiervexx's comment is offensive and cannot be true because that is not what YOU have experienced. 

RE: depression etc.  When I suffered from depression, the 'logical' thing WAS to seek help.  Most people know they need help because it is not right to feel the way they do.  That does not mean that the most logical thing to do was the easiest - in fact it was the hardest.  I had to be forced, almost physically, to the point of getting help. 

Thank you.  I know that my communication skills are a little off so I'm so happy that someone understood what I was actually trying to say.

I think the main problem with my statement was the use of the word "willpower."  A lot of people seem to think it has positive connotations so therefore I must have been saying something positive about anorexia.  I generally don't think about positive or negative connotations because I don't think they are too subjective.

I'm very sorry you had problems with depression.  One of my close friends regularly makes posts on facebook suggesting she still wants to die sooner rather than latter and I hate reading them.  And yes, she is already heavily medicated for it (when she has not had her medication it's 40 times worse!).

Never said anorexia was the same for everyone who suffers it. It's definitely different. I've even said that seeing as one of the possible kick-off points for an eating disorder is a diet that gets taken too far, which obviously implies some kind of 'willpower'.
But once you're in there...It's a lot more complicated than that. You don't choose to be anorexic. The only people who choose to be anorexic are those pro-ana nutjobs who are also the ones who run around spouting shit about how they have to 'BE STRONG IN THE FACE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE' or whatever. And that's not even anorexia. That's being an absolute douchebag and going on a very unhealthy diet.

Also this definitely does give the impression of the author seeing something healthy or positive in anorexia.

I wanted to say that I am tired of hearing grossly overweight people talk about how proud they are not to be anorexic. At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.

You can say that you meant whatever you want, this clearly wasn't very well thought out.
Also when you say that people are overreacting...You might think that this was just a throwaway sentence that no one would notice and you'd get away with because you 'don't think about positive or negative connotations', but it wasn't. It was offensive. Sometimes words are like that.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: insignifikunt on June 15, 2011, 03:21:49 AM

Also this definitely does give the impression of the author seeing something healthy or positive in anorexia.

I wanted to say that I am tired of hearing grossly overweight people talk about how proud they are not to be anorexic. At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.

You can say that you meant whatever you want, this clearly wasn't very well thought out.
Also when you say that people are overreacting...You might think that this was just a throwaway sentence that no one would notice and you'd get away with because you 'don't think about positive or negative connotations', but it wasn't. It was offensive. Sometimes words are like that.

that is what i was going to say.

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This only just occurred to me, and I've not been listening/reading to most of this thread so it's a bit random. Sorry. But! My step-mum, who is straight, says that the only woman she would ever be gay for is KD Lang. Her exact words were, "I'm not into women, but if she wanted me to be, good God I'd try." She thinks she's "the most beautiful woman in forever". People are attracted to whatever they happen to fancy, and what strikes people as truly "beautiful", not just sexy or fit or whatever but beautiful like a painting or a song or a sunset, is always going to be subjective and surprising. For some, true stunning beauty is an androgynous, boyish frame, and for others it's going to be a curvaceous, pre-Raphaelite figure, and to others there will never be anything more beautiful than a very finely carved chair-leg. To argue about whether one is wrong or right is absurd - it's like arguing over whether a painting is more worthy of the word than a song.
@Indja i agree that people are attracted to what/who they are attracted to and for a whole range of factors. i used to be attracted to someone because i loved their personality so i automatically found their appearance attractive. then they changed, meaning their personality changed, they started working somewhere that was totally not in their character and it rubbed off of them and now i find that person not only unattractive but ugly.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CottonCandy on June 15, 2011, 04:36:23 AM
I'm sorry if I misunderstood you. I don't want to deter people from commenting. When I read that initially, I understood that it was a light-hearted comment, but it felt inappropriate to me as a response to my initial post. I apologize for being so harsh.

Thanks... I really didn't mean it as anything negative, quite the opposite... Sarcasm doesn't translate well online.

I'd like to think media doesn't affect my self-image, but it does. I've noticed that in UK, there's so much more mixed messages (though yes, in my native Finland there is some too) about how women should look and weigh. It might be because in UK the obesity problem is bigger... Over in UK, they look at me funny for cycling 10k to work (don't you get sweaty!), but it's how I keep fit. The magazines and newspapers shout out about how you should be a certain bmi, then how bmi is faulty to measure true health, then how you should accept yourself as you are to prevent mental hang-ups so many have because they're not a size 8. Womens magazines are worse -usually they have a programme to lose weight or get into bikini shape on one page, then the next is a recipe for brownies.

I read this months Cosmopolitan (which I still like because of the fashion aspect) and they had their editorial about a girl who had her arm bitten off by a shark, yet still went on to win surfing competitions like she had before, and without the prosthetic arm she was given. Now, I thought the angle was: "This girl accepts herself despite missing a limb, surely you can accept your stretchmarks, a bit of cellulite or other minor imperfections and enjoy your life and going on the beach at summer!" No. The angle was: "She can't change what is wrong in her body, but you can change your winter-shaped body -turn to page 666 to see our bikini bootcamp feature!" Seriously, I dare you to snek into a newsagents and read the editorial.

I do have days when I love my looks and body unconditionally, then other days trousers that used to fit perfectly are now a bit tight, or I go to London, look at all the tiny skinny trendy women and feel like a whale.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Musings on June 15, 2011, 02:54:25 PM


I wanted to say that I am tired of hearing grossly overweight people talk about how proud they are not to be anorexic. At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.



I am glad that people are addressing the anorexia = not fun/not willpower part of this, but the other part is offensive too.  First of all, what grossly overweight people do you know that are constantly talking about how proud they are that they are not anorexic?  People who have clinical issues, who are not just overweight but binge eaters, don't stuff themselves like a pig and think it's accomplishment.  

When I was binging, I ate until I felt nauseous.  I ate beyond full, even sometimes after I threw up.  I was unhappy and food was a punishment.  I used to hate myself and eat at the same time.  There's nothing that's an accomplishment about that, so please kindly fuck off if you believe that all binge eaters/overweight people feel this way.

Two things:
The whole statement was grossly generalized and so stupidly worded, and I'm not going to apologize for taking it offensively.  If you don't think before writing a statement like that, then you deserve all the backlash and more. 

I didn't mention the binging part at first, and wasn't surprised to see that no one commented about it before.  

Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: N.U. on June 16, 2011, 10:12:23 AM
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Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist

Dammit! Is THIS what I've been doing wrong? ;D
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Miss Sahara on June 16, 2011, 04:27:40 PM
I think uglyness is equally as important as beauty.  :occasion18:
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: tanqgirl on June 16, 2011, 05:00:25 PM
just because i think it's stupid that people are bitching about it, i've heard and known several overweight people who were "proud to not be anorexic" one was my college roommate, so dont act like people never say shit like that

also? i think it's somewhat ridiculous that you all just forced each other to apologize to each other...everyone has their own opinion and those opinions might piss someone off, and gee that's to bad but get over it, it doesnt mean you cant be friends anymore, it just means you dont agree on something...stand up for your argument either way if you believe in it, if you dont believe in it, dont write it out in the first place

i for one do not apologize for anything i've ever said on here that has pissed anyone off UNLESS i honestly spelled something wrong or used a wrong word

Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Musings on June 16, 2011, 08:00:22 PM
just because i think it's stupid that people are bitching about it, i've heard and known several overweight people who were "proud to not be anorexic" one was my college roommate, so dont act like people never say shit like that

also? i think it's somewhat ridiculous that you all just forced each other to apologize to each other...everyone has their own opinion and those opinions might piss someone off, and gee that's to bad but get over it, it doesnt mean you cant be friends anymore, it just means you dont agree on something...stand up for your argument either way if you believe in it, if you dont believe in it, dont write it out in the first place

i for one do not apologize for anything i've ever said on here that has pissed anyone off UNLESS i honestly spelled something wrong or used a wrong word



Great.  You think it's stupid to bitch about generalizations because you've met people that fit that generalization.

Also, you think it's stupid that people be offended and express themselves about being offended.  You expressed that bitching about something is stupid.

You also never apologize because you NEVER reconsider your opinions based on other people's opinions or feelings.

You are AWESOME.  High-five!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Captain Oblivious on June 16, 2011, 08:02:33 PM
I would just like to remind people that this is the internet.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 16, 2011, 09:12:13 PM
I feel apologize. I honestly didn't mean for this to spiral out of control.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Musings on June 16, 2011, 09:22:22 PM
It's not out of control, it's an active dialogue.  Nothing wrong with that. 

And yes, it's the internet, where I, for one, judge people on their written posts.


Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: tanqgirl on June 16, 2011, 09:44:29 PM
just because i think it's stupid that people are bitching about it, i've heard and known several overweight people who were "proud to not be anorexic" one was my college roommate, so dont act like people never say shit like that

also? i think it's somewhat ridiculous that you all just forced each other to apologize to each other...everyone has their own opinion and those opinions might piss someone off, and gee that's to bad but get over it, it doesnt mean you cant be friends anymore, it just means you dont agree on something...stand up for your argument either way if you believe in it, if you dont believe in it, dont write it out in the first place

i for one do not apologize for anything i've ever said on here that has pissed anyone off UNLESS i honestly spelled something wrong or used a wrong word



Great.  You think it's stupid to bitch about generalizations because you've met people that fit that generalization.

Also, you think it's stupid that people be offended and express themselves about being offended.  You expressed that bitching about something is stupid.

You also never apologize because you NEVER reconsider your opinions based on other people's opinions or feelings.

You are AWESOME.  High-five!

you're right i wont apologize because despite if i like someone or not wont make me change my opinions

and you are also right, i AM awesome
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Musings on June 16, 2011, 10:00:31 PM


you're right i wont apologize because despite if i like someone or not wont make me change my opinions

and you are also right, i AM awesome

It's not about liking someone or not.

Part of what sets us apart from other animals is "theory of mind" or the ability to figure out what other people are thinking or get their perspectives on things.  I am constantly updating my opinions based on other perspectives and facts as I go through life.

You don't have to update, but I think your comments in this thread are arrogant and stupid.  My opinion.  Nope, I'm not forcing you to apologize because I'd still think the same thing about the comments, although my perspective on you might shift.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Indja on June 16, 2011, 10:07:30 PM
...but we all still love each other and are objecting to people's behaviour and not the nature of the person themself and we're still a jolly happy family and want to hang out and discuss my ecclesiatical nipple-tassles?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Shock G on June 16, 2011, 10:13:50 PM
Neither example shows the ideal form or the current idea of beauty, the first is heroin chic which luckily left the fashion world for the most part back in the 90's.  Models are still skinny but not that skinny as there was a big backlash to that.

The second while more so than the first is not what I would call very curvy either.  She has a larger frame and while there are some curves the ratios are nowhere near say a Christina Hendricks who is this generations example of a curvy woman.  Also her fame and sex appeal across pop culture would seem to go against the OP's thesis.  Yes models are still 5'10 plus for runway and roughly a 34B but there is a big world beyond that and like the diversity in music we are getting a much bigger diversity in the sex/beauty symbols.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: tanqgirl on June 16, 2011, 11:05:06 PM


you're right i wont apologize because despite if i like someone or not wont make me change my opinions

and you are also right, i AM awesome

It's not about liking someone or not.

Part of what sets us apart from other animals is "theory of mind" or the ability to figure out what other people are thinking or get their perspectives on things.  I am constantly updating my opinions based on other perspectives and facts as I go through life.

You don't have to update, but I think your comments in this thread are arrogant and stupid.  My opinion.  Nope, I'm not forcing you to apologize because I'd still think the same thing about the comments, although my perspective on you might shift.

funny cause i think your comments are just as stupid and arrogant, what a coincidence...

also i think you misunderstood my post about everyone apologizing, i was not "bitching" that anyone did what they did it was a simple observation, but i still think everyone should have stood their ground instead of being waffles

but no if i'm going to change an opinion of mine it will change because i get actual proof, not because someone else is crying about it

and yes indja, we're all still a happy family, just not agreeing to disagree


and yes i'm done with this thread now because i have better things to do (like make cookies) then continue this stupid arguement
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Musings on June 16, 2011, 11:14:34 PM
OMG COOKIES.

I'm going to have one and then another and then another and then give myself a pat on the back for not being anorexic!

Thanks, tanqgirl, for helping me understand how to feel good about myself.

And... full circle. 


Now, can go back to ignoring the bottom of the SBx for the next 6 months.  Ciao!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on June 16, 2011, 11:23:42 PM
i would please like to claim the title of MOST stupid and arrogant, please.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Indja on June 16, 2011, 11:45:24 PM
I don't think we sound very happy family.......
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on June 16, 2011, 11:50:35 PM
I don't think we sound very happy family.......
We're the kind of happy family that only see each other once a year at Christmas.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Indja on June 17, 2011, 12:00:45 AM
I don't think we sound very happy family.......
We're the kind of happy family that only see each other once a year at Christmas.

Oh. Ok :) That makes a lot of sense. I love us.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: theseeker on June 17, 2011, 12:34:04 AM

I wanted to say that I am tired of hearing grossly overweight people talk about how proud they are not to be anorexic. At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.


Just want to mention that I weight over two hundred pounds and eat less than 10000 calories a week as well as excercise with a physical trainer.

My sisters both had eating disorders which resulted in their loosing excessive amounts of weight, and they were both unable to stop what they were doing in a healthy manner.

Edit: 672th post
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on June 17, 2011, 02:58:15 AM
You and you and you and you (and you know who you are), are like Hitler.

(I believe that automatically cuts off debate, no?)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: VinsanityOrElse on June 17, 2011, 03:58:15 AM
You and you and you and you (and you know who you are), are like Hitler.

(I believe that automatically cuts off debate, no?)

http://www.youtube.com/v/AFA-rOls8YA

I believe THAT...cuts off the debate.  O0
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Indja on June 17, 2011, 07:32:37 AM
Sarah, I'm offended. Don't oppress Cee's urge to oppression. You must apologise immediately ;)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on June 17, 2011, 08:02:55 AM
You and you and you and you (and you know who you are), are like Hitler.

(I believe that automatically cuts off debate, no?)
i think you have to actually use the word, 'nazi.'  not officially, but it is protocol.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 17, 2011, 09:24:22 AM
Man, I really caused a lot of madness.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Cheddars Cousin on June 17, 2011, 09:38:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/y0XkW7QNeuk

http://www.youtube.com/v/7F8KYG2WYeg

Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 17, 2011, 09:42:09 AM
What? No Sparta joke?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Cheddars Cousin on June 17, 2011, 09:50:49 AM
I'm a slice...not a hack...
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: tanqgirl on June 17, 2011, 01:55:03 PM
Man, I really caused a lot of madness.

no YOU didnt, you just asked why IN GENERAL people prefer the 1st picture to the 2nd. and then people went haywire, i for one knew what you were asking which is why i responded the way i did originally, i had nothing to add that pertained to the blowing up part of this thread, but you did NOT start anything bad, you asked a fairly simple question that people have a tendency to feel strongly about and so it went POOF! like a peep in a microwave

(i know i said i was done with this thread, but i really just meant the arguing part, i'm fine with normal conversation)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 18, 2011, 04:06:13 PM
Man, I really caused a lot of madness.

no YOU didnt, you just asked why IN GENERAL people prefer the 1st picture to the 2nd. and then people went haywire, i for one knew what you were asking which is why i responded the way i did originally, i had nothing to add that pertained to the blowing up part of this thread, but you did NOT start anything bad, you asked a fairly simple question that people have a tendency to feel strongly about and so it went POOF! like a peep in a microwave

(i know i said i was done with this thread, but i really just meant the arguing part, i'm fine with normal conversation)
Ah.

Thanks Tanq.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Indja on June 18, 2011, 04:11:20 PM
What's a peep? Why would you put it in a microwave? Should have said "like an egg when you partly boil it, open up the top thinking it's done only to find a pretty completely raw egg inside, put it in the microwave until it's cooked and then poke it with a spoon" because those things POP. Srsly. Shell everywhere. Not to mention the weeping depressive mother in the corner who "just tried to make a lovely tea and everything goes wrong these days". She didn't see the funny side. Kind of put a damper on things. BUT!! Exploding egg!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on June 18, 2011, 04:44:02 PM
a peep:


(http://mymorningchocolate.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/marshmallow-peeps.jpg)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Indja on June 18, 2011, 04:48:45 PM
Oh. ...yeah, that doesn't help. What is a peep?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on June 18, 2011, 04:49:51 PM
Oh. ...yeah, that doesn't help. What is a peep?
an easter product made from marshmallow.  they aren't very good but they have been around at least all my life.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 18, 2011, 04:53:25 PM
Oh. ...yeah, that doesn't help. What is a peep?
an easter product made from marshmallow.  they aren't very good but they have been around at least all my life.

Yeah, those things are nasty.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Indja on June 18, 2011, 04:55:58 PM
Oh. ...yeah, that doesn't help. What is a peep?
an easter product made from marshmallow.  they aren't very good but they have been around at least all my life.

Yeah, those things are nasty.

Thank you. If the joke wasn't old already I'd totally add it to my Facebook status about things I hate about America.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: tanqgirl on June 18, 2011, 05:16:33 PM
yes peeps are basically nasty marshmallow covered in sprinkles...but the fun part is getting the 2 chicken looking ones and put toothpicks on the front of them and have them face each other and then put them in the microwave for about a minute

especially if you have a rotating microwave thingy, they look like they're dueling and if you didnt know marshmallows puff up when you put them in the microwave, so the peeps puff up and the first one to "stab" the other WINS!!! and if you dont turn it off when they're done they EXPLODE!!! and then your mom comes home and you your friends and your dad all go hide and pretend like you have no idea what that burning marshmallow smell is cause you were playing upstairs and then run for your lives when she finally discovers the marshmallowsplosion in the microwave  ;D

and mockery, you're welcome :)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on June 19, 2011, 12:04:49 AM
Ask YouTube to show you Peeps+microwave....    ;D
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: VinsanityOrElse on June 19, 2011, 12:19:52 AM
DISCLAIMER: this is a COMPLETE bastardization of peep fights. DO NOT... I repeat... DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES reproduce this peep fight. Putting tin foil in said microwave is a sure way to break said microwave. In this situation, the microwave was donated. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/v/ZX3TTye9Ipw


AFTER EDIT: I'd just like to point out, we've totally turned this poor thread into a peep fight thread. Tanq and I have been enjoying peep battles on youtube for the past HALF HOUR! We'd feel bad, if it weren't so AWESOME! Also, Peeps= NOT attractive. If you're dating a peep, stay FAR away from microwaves and really any heat sources.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Captain Oblivious on June 23, 2011, 06:23:23 PM
I just found this link (http://www.hanneblank.com/blog/2011/06/23/real-women/) and I think it applies heavily to this topic. The original one, not the anorexia/overweight one.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 24, 2011, 12:54:52 PM
I just found this link (http://www.hanneblank.com/blog/2011/06/23/real-women/) and I think it applies heavily to this topic. The original one, not the anorexia/overweight one.

Thank you for this captain. This is great.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Tiervexx on June 25, 2011, 04:01:41 PM

I wanted to say that I am tired of hearing grossly overweight people talk about how proud they are not to be anorexic. At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.



I am glad that people are addressing the anorexia = not fun/not willpower part of this, but the other part is offensive too.  First of all, what grossly overweight people do you know that are constantly talking about how proud they are that they are not anorexic?  People who have clinical issues, who are not just overweight but binge eaters, don't stuff themselves like a pig and think it's accomplishment.


Believe it or not, I have met a few people who even told me they felt that way.

When I was making that post I was thinking of one girl I met recently.  She struck up a conversation with me in an elevator that started out with "skinny girls are overrated, don't you think?"  And progressed from there.

It pissed me off because she acted like she felt superior to skinny girls.

In my head I was talking to that girl...

When I was binging, I ate until I felt nauseous.  I ate beyond full, even sometimes after I threw up.  I was unhappy and food was a punishment.  I used to hate myself and eat at the same time.  There's nothing that's an accomplishment about that, so please kindly fuck off if you believe that all binge eaters/overweight people feel this way.

Why is this all or nothing mentality so common?  Me saying that there exists an (or some) X who does(do) Y does not equal saying that ALL X do Y.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: JohnnyDBBUK on June 28, 2011, 11:26:27 AM
I am going to chime in with this comment.
people should be free to like what you like on either scale of the weight issue.
For myself I look at that girl and see a health issue.

right back to attraction
tall, short, fat, thin, athletic, ginger, hipster, Mohawk, banana shoes etc attraction is complicated some people have types, other people don't.
but
Is a person a bastard if they find girls/guys attractive who keep in shape/toned etc?
instantly demonised by the mob if they aren't visually snared by overweight women or men?
are they perpetuating the issue of skinny women or are they just liking what they like. (tho healthy is not skeletal thin)(BMI index ftw)

Beauty is a personal thing. One persons "Dita is hot!" is a another persons "no she has a horseface  ^-^"
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on June 28, 2011, 03:36:02 PM
I am going to chime in with this comment.
people should be free to like what you like on either scale of the weight issue.
For myself I look at that girl and see a health issue.

right back to attraction
tall, short, fat, thin, athletic, ginger, hipster, Mohawk, banana shoes etc attraction is complicated some people have types, other people don't.
but
Is a person a bastard if they find girls/guys attractive who keep in shape/toned etc?
instantly demonised by the mob if they aren't visually snared by overweight women or men?
are they perpetuating the issue of skinny women or are they just liking what they like. (tho healthy is not skeletal thin)(BMI index ftw)

Beauty is a personal thing. One persons "Dita is hot!" is a another persons "no she has a horseface  ^-^"


1. the BMI is bullshit. I've known a couple of female bodybuilders who could peel you like a banana that had BMIs that said they were obese.

2. wasn't Mockery's whole point in starting this thread about the imposition through marketing of a certain physical beauty standard?

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 28, 2011, 03:56:49 PM
I am going to chime in with this comment.
people should be free to like what you like on either scale of the weight issue.
For myself I look at that girl and see a health issue.

right back to attraction
tall, short, fat, thin, athletic, ginger, hipster, Mohawk, banana shoes etc attraction is complicated some people have types, other people don't.
but
Is a person a bastard if they find girls/guys attractive who keep in shape/toned etc?
instantly demonised by the mob if they aren't visually snared by overweight women or men?
are they perpetuating the issue of skinny women or are they just liking what they like. (tho healthy is not skeletal thin)(BMI index ftw)

Beauty is a personal thing. One persons "Dita is hot!" is a another persons "no she has a horseface  ^-^"


1. the BMI is bullshit. I've known a couple of female bodybuilders who could peel you like a banana that had BMIs that said they were obese.

2. wasn't Mockery's whole point in starting this thread about the imposition through marketing of a certain physical beauty standard?

#@!

YES!

Thank you Cletus!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: JohnnyDBBUK on June 28, 2011, 06:07:34 PM
I am going to chime in with this comment.
people should be free to like what you like on either scale of the weight issue.
For myself I look at that girl and see a health issue.

right back to attraction
tall, short, fat, thin, athletic, ginger, hipster, Mohawk, banana shoes etc attraction is complicated some people have types, other people don't.
but
Is a person a bastard if they find girls/guys attractive who keep in shape/toned etc?
instantly demonised by the mob if they aren't visually snared by overweight women or men?
are they perpetuating the issue of skinny women or are they just liking what they like. (tho healthy is not skeletal thin)(BMI index ftw)

Beauty is a personal thing. One persons "Dita is hot!" is a another persons "no she has a horseface  ^-^"


1. the BMI is bullshit. I've known a couple of female bodybuilders who could peel you like a banana that had BMIs that said they were obese.

2. wasn't Mockery's whole point in starting this thread about the imposition through marketing of a certain physical beauty standard?

#@!

1. meh BMI has it's uses.
2. I expanded on it with some other crap - it's called a related tangent :) now lets play with said tangent.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 29, 2011, 11:52:28 AM
Look, I'd like to go back what I wanted to originally talk about because it was totally looked over. I want to talk about how the media brainwashes people into thinking that there is only one concept of beauty and that if you're fat or in between, then you are worth nothing.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on June 29, 2011, 12:02:09 PM
Look, I'd like to go back what I wanted to originally talk about because it was totally looked over. I want to talk about how the media brainwashes people into thinking that there is only one concept of beauty and that if you're fat or in between, then you are worth nothing.
one of the first things they told us in college, at least the actors, is basically to give up because there are hungrier, thinner, better actor/dancer/singers out there and all of them are waiting tables right now with one eye on the spotlight, so to speak.  the difference of course being in stage theater was that you really don't have to have looks per se because they could make you look however they wanted at a distance of fifty feet, but that for film acting, unless you start out perfect, give up.


the sad thing was that they were right; you hear that and think 'god how cynical, anyone can be anything' but then you turn on the tv and realize, it just isn't so.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 29, 2011, 12:08:20 PM
Look, I'd like to go back what I wanted to originally talk about because it was totally looked over. I want to talk about how the media brainwashes people into thinking that there is only one concept of beauty and that if you're fat or in between, then you are worth nothing.
one of the first things they told us in college, at least the actors, is basically to give up because there are hungrier, thinner, better actor/dancer/singers out there and all of them are waiting tables right now with one eye on the spotlight, so to speak.  the difference of course being in stage theater was that you really don't have to have looks per se because they could make you look however they wanted at a distance of fifty feet, but that for film acting, unless you start out perfect, give up.


the sad thing was that they were right; you hear that and think 'god how cynical, anyone can be anything' but then you turn on the tv and realize, it just isn't so.
But there are loads of thick people who are famous! Oprah, Queen Latifah, Neicy Nash!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on June 29, 2011, 12:19:12 PM
Look, I'd like to go back what I wanted to originally talk about because it was totally looked over. I want to talk about how the media brainwashes people into thinking that there is only one concept of beauty and that if you're fat or in between, then you are worth nothing.
one of the first things they told us in college, at least the actors, is basically to give up because there are hungrier, thinner, better actor/dancer/singers out there and all of them are waiting tables right now with one eye on the spotlight, so to speak.  the difference of course being in stage theater was that you really don't have to have looks per se because they could make you look however they wanted at a distance of fifty feet, but that for film acting, unless you start out perfect, give up.


the sad thing was that they were right; you hear that and think 'god how cynical, anyone can be anything' but then you turn on the tv and realize, it just isn't so.
But there are loads of thick people who are famous! Oprah, Queen Latifah, Neicy Nash!

I think the issue with that is that if you're 'bigger', you have to be exceptional.

quite so.  and, half of oprah's career has been taken up by issues with dieting and the like.  once a big woman gets into the spotlight, almost every time she's interviewed she has to talk about her weight at some point.

also, for every big woman in the spotlight, there are armies of skinny girls in the beer ads, the food commercials, etc etc.  it's not what you see in the spotlight, after all; it is the 'standard' you see all around the spotlight.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 29, 2011, 12:24:30 PM
I just don't get it.  If I ever become famous, I'm going to be a fashion designer for plus women to show that no matter what, plus sized women shouldn't have to change who they are for society.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on June 29, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
i hope you don't think i am saying that anyone should have to change, i'm only pointing out the standard as it exists now, which i think we all can agree is unfair, but does exist.

the barefaced reality is they show what they think we all want to have sex with (or be so others will want to have sex with us), especially to sell stuff to us.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 29, 2011, 12:36:37 PM
I think people are starting top get wise. I mean yeah, the media is still managing to brain wash some people are starting to realizing that being yourself isn't all that bad.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: N.U. on June 29, 2011, 01:07:56 PM
Marilyn Monroe wore a size 12 and was considered the pinnacle of beauty for her time.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Captain Oblivious on June 29, 2011, 01:40:14 PM
Marilyn Monroe wore a size 12 and was considered the pinnacle of beauty for her time.

But the idea of beauty changes drastically. In Victorian times, it was considered attractive to be overweight but that was more as a sign of wealth, I believe. Painted faces, various fashions etc
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CottonCandy on June 29, 2011, 01:49:08 PM
Look, I'd like to go back what I wanted to originally talk about because it was totally looked over. I want to talk about how the media brainwashes people into thinking that there is only one concept of beauty and that if you're fat or in between, then you are worth nothing.
one of the first things they told us in college, at least the actors, is basically to give up because there are hungrier, thinner, better actor/dancer/singers out there and all of them are waiting tables right now with one eye on the spotlight, so to speak.  the difference of course being in stage theater was that you really don't have to have looks per se because they could make you look however they wanted at a distance of fifty feet, but that for film acting, unless you start out perfect, give up.


the sad thing was that they were right; you hear that and think 'god how cynical, anyone can be anything' but then you turn on the tv and realize, it just isn't so.
But there are loads of thick people who are famous! Oprah, Queen Latifah, Neicy Nash!

I'm sorry, this just made me giggle loads as in UK, thick=stupid
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 29, 2011, 06:45:38 PM
Look, I'd like to go back what I wanted to originally talk about because it was totally looked over. I want to talk about how the media brainwashes people into thinking that there is only one concept of beauty and that if you're fat or in between, then you are worth nothing.
one of the first things they told us in college, at least the actors, is basically to give up because there are hungrier, thinner, better actor/dancer/singers out there and all of them are waiting tables right now with one eye on the spotlight, so to speak.  the difference of course being in stage theater was that you really don't have to have looks per se because they could make you look however they wanted at a distance of fifty feet, but that for film acting, unless you start out perfect, give up.


the sad thing was that they were right; you hear that and think 'god how cynical, anyone can be anything' but then you turn on the tv and realize, it just isn't so.
But there are loads of thick people who are famous! Oprah, Queen Latifah, Neicy Nash!

I'm sorry, this just made me giggle loads as in UK, thick=stupid

LOL.

Thick is sometimes used to describe a woman with more meat on her bones
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on June 30, 2011, 11:59:22 AM
I think people are starting top get wise. I mean yeah, the media is still managing to brain wash some people are starting to realizing that being yourself isn't all that bad.

the media would stand to make shitloads more money by expanding the parameters of what is considered beautiful.

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: N.U. on June 30, 2011, 12:00:54 PM
I've always hated the "thick" descriptor as it has always struck me as a "word of denial". The only folks who I have ever seen described as "thick" are those that are an unhealthy weight. This is not to be confused with thin.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on June 30, 2011, 01:35:37 PM
I think people are starting top get wise. I mean yeah, the media is still managing to brain wash some people are starting to realizing that being yourself isn't all that bad.

the media would stand to make shitloads more money by expanding the parameters of what is considered beautiful.

#@!
They really would.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on June 30, 2011, 02:58:44 PM
I think people are starting top get wise. I mean yeah, the media is still managing to brain wash some people are starting to realizing that being yourself isn't all that bad.

the media would stand to make shitloads more money by expanding the parameters of what is considered beautiful.

#@!
by that same token, gay marriage would make shitloads more money for those that profit from that sort of thing.  so, in fact, would selling pot.  clearly, everyone seems to figure they are already making enough money?

or are we just really that goddamn stubborn?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: N.U. on June 30, 2011, 05:30:04 PM
People change quickly. groups a little slower, and countries slowest of all.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on June 30, 2011, 11:07:58 PM
or are we just really that goddamn stubborn?
You have to ask?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on July 01, 2011, 02:41:18 AM
or are we just really that goddamn stubborn?
You have to ask?
i'm too stubborn not to.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Shock G on July 01, 2011, 05:49:16 PM
I think people are starting top get wise. I mean yeah, the media is still managing to brain wash some people are starting to realizing that being yourself isn't all that bad.

the media would stand to make shitloads more money by expanding the parameters of what is considered beautiful.

#@!

Not really, think of all the industries out there that try to get people to that ideal.  Plus people will watch the people who are their ideal even more as they wish to be them.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on July 01, 2011, 06:13:14 PM
comic books would suck ass without a body ideal.  they'd be all landscapes.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on July 02, 2011, 01:12:43 PM
comic books would suck ass without a body ideal.  they'd be all landscapes.
Yeah but even comic books have curvy women.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on July 02, 2011, 01:18:39 PM
comic books would suck ass without a body ideal.  they'd be all landscapes.
Yeah but even comic books have curvy women.
they are a combination of exaggerated qualities; curves plus wasp-waist plus impossibly long legs plus layers of muscle.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on July 02, 2011, 01:38:12 PM
comic books would suck ass without a body ideal.  they'd be all landscapes.
Yeah but even comic books have curvy women.
they are a combination of exaggerated qualities; curves plus wasp-waist plus impossibly long legs plus layers of muscle.
You've never heard of Etta Candy have you?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on July 02, 2011, 01:49:17 PM
comic books would suck ass without a body ideal.  they'd be all landscapes.
Yeah but even comic books have curvy women.
they are a combination of exaggerated qualities; curves plus wasp-waist plus impossibly long legs plus layers of muscle.
You've never heard of Etta Candy have you?


(http://www.girl-wonder.org/insideout/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/ettafirst.jpg)



actually i have heard of just about everything, my comic collection would make you sick.  probably literally, i like some odd shit.  but i'm talking about hero comics mostly; like on tv, the heavier drawn women are the exception and not the norm.  in this case, this page is only empowering to the extent it could be in the era it was drawn.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on July 04, 2011, 01:32:41 PM
comic books would suck ass without a body ideal.  they'd be all landscapes.
Yeah but even comic books have curvy women.
they are a combination of exaggerated qualities; curves plus wasp-waist plus impossibly long legs plus layers of muscle.
You've never heard of Etta Candy have you?

(http://www.girl-wonder.org/insideout/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/ettafirst.jpg)



actually i have heard of just about everything, my comic collection would make you sick.  probably literally, i like some odd shit.  but i'm talking about hero comics mostly; like on tv, the heavier drawn women are the exception and not the norm.  in this case, this page is only empowering to the extent it could be in the era it was drawn.
I was talking about this Etta Candy.
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoI9T5sxoLs3UYJagJiz5qLSxatxIDEtPeLsIOIbakF8Q6F0Kd&t=1)

Curvy and killer
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Ronan on July 09, 2011, 01:03:10 PM
Related:

(http://i.imgur.com/JUBTV.jpg)

Reddit thread here (http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ikw31/topshop_have_a_corpse_on_their_home_page_today/).
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on July 09, 2011, 04:38:27 PM
on the bright side, she will never have to worry about unwanted advances from this quarter.  8)

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on July 10, 2011, 05:39:07 PM
on the bright side, she will never have to worry about unwanted advances from this quarter.  8)

#@!

That would seem mean but it's true.

She looks unhealthy.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Cheddars Cousin on July 10, 2011, 08:45:33 PM
Not interested.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on July 11, 2011, 01:18:02 AM
why use the tagline ladylike and use a model that looks like a 12 year old in her mums summer dress?
the term ladylike conjures images of mature refinement not kid hippy
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: lentower on July 11, 2011, 02:09:39 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/JUBTV.jpg)[/url].

to my eye, this dress hanging on one of those flat half manikins,
and the head is phot0-shoped on.
the head might be drawn/painted by an artist
who is good at realism
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on July 11, 2011, 03:15:21 PM
why use the tagline ladylike and use a model that looks like a 12 year old in her mums summer dress?
the term ladylike conjures images of mature refinement not kid hippy
Apparently the advertisement team didn't see the model.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Captain Oblivious on July 11, 2011, 03:26:15 PM
She probably looks so unhappy cos no one's bothered to feed her in 3 weeks
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on July 12, 2011, 02:07:38 AM
am reminded of a scifi story io read ages ago about the fashion industry.....it had go so into body image it had started radically altering models with surgical procedures....suffering for their art taken to its natural extreme
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on July 12, 2011, 02:30:51 AM
am reminded of a scifi story io read ages ago about the fashion industry.....it had go so into body image it had started radically altering models with surgical procedures....suffering for their art taken to its natural extreme
that sounds awfully familiar.  it feels like something i read for a sci-fi fiction class in college; social dystopias as opposed to political dystopias or some comparison like that.  do you remember who wrote it, or how long ago?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on July 12, 2011, 02:33:43 AM
it was in an anthology and would have been mid 90's
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on July 12, 2011, 02:44:59 AM
our textbook was early 90's and also an anthology.  i should be pulling it out of a box any day now (been sorting storage stuff), i'll check it for a title.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on July 12, 2011, 02:53:09 AM
cool love to know what it was called
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on July 12, 2011, 01:46:09 PM
She probably looks so unhappy cos no one's bothered to feed her in 3 weeks

They should have least given her a sandwich or something.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Tiervexx on July 17, 2011, 05:52:53 PM
Marilyn Monroe wore a size 12 and was considered the pinnacle of beauty for her time.

I think most people who fancy girls would still prefer that body type and it IS pictured in the media quite a bit.

There is a middle ground between being absurdly thin and "plus sized" and much of the media knows that.  I think it is primarily the fashion industry that still thinks the skeleton look is best.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on July 18, 2011, 12:35:34 AM
There is a middle ground between being absurdly thin and "plus sized" and much of the media knows that.  I think it is primarily the fashion industry that still thinks the skeleton look is best.
The thing is, the people who publish magazines, produce TV shows and movies and whatnot....
They created this term "plus size" to make it sound like NORMAL-SIZED girls and women are
somehow "large"... and while they claim that they're trying to do something to rectify that
sort of unhealthy image-building by incorporating "plus size" models and actresses, they're
actually reinforcing it simply through the terminology -  The underlying message isn't that
it's okay to be a certain size, but that even though you're FAT you're worth something 'cuz
a lot of other women are FAT right along with you
...
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: tanqgirl on July 18, 2011, 12:37:35 AM
tyra banks is a "plus size" model.......are you KIDDING ME?! she's fucking skinny! i would be considered a "plus size" model...i'm not skinny, but i'm not "plus size" when i think of that i think of people like my dad who is almost 400 lbs
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on July 18, 2011, 01:50:40 AM
ashley graham - plus size (size 16) model, definite contender for hottest woman alive.  :glasses9:

#@!

Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CottonCandy on July 18, 2011, 05:12:16 AM
tyra banks is a "plus size" model.......are you KIDDING ME?! she's fucking skinny! i would be considered a "plus size" model...i'm not skinny, but i'm not "plus size" when i think of that i think of people like my dad who is almost 400 lbs

She's probably a "plus size" because she has quite big boobs. If you're a normal catwalk model, big boobs are a big no-no.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Indja on July 18, 2011, 01:04:24 PM
^Size 8 is plus-size?? I'm size 16, top and bottom. That's absurd. I'm a perfectly average size for women in the UK, although yes I'm a little over-weight for my height. But I mean I'm nothing like what the term "plus-size" suggests.

As for the fashion industry, they want people who make the clothes look good - so essentially they hire living, breathing coat-hangers.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on July 18, 2011, 01:34:57 PM
Again that's why I say fuck the media.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: tanqgirl on July 18, 2011, 03:59:56 PM
just out of curiosity indja and hillary: you're talking in UK sizes right? how does that compare to US sizes? (not like i'm sitting here trying to figure out what exact size clothes you're wearing :p just wondering for the sake of comparison ) cause i generally wear a size L-XL top (if they're in that sizing way) because of my boobs, if i didnt have such big boobs i'd probably wear a S-M, with numbered ones i usually wear an 8-10, same with dresses, and pants i'm usually anywhere between a 9-13 in juniors and 8-12 in adult  (they dont really make any of the sizes uniform over here) and those are usually the most common sizes over here (i only know this cause there's never anything in my size in stock because they've usually already sold everything) and i believe that over here once you get above a 4, you're considered plus size, BUT at the same time we have stores that are supposed to only carry clothes for "plus size" people (lane bryant, torrid, big & tall) and those generally start at size 16? i believe (for woman, idk about mens)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Indja on July 18, 2011, 04:10:36 PM
The internets say that a UK 16 is an American 14, I believe.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: tanqgirl on July 18, 2011, 04:13:00 PM
well i guess on the plus side, that makes the standards of how big a model should be fairly universal?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CottonCandy on July 18, 2011, 04:24:43 PM
As far as I've understood, US sizes are "two sizes larger" than UK ones... Therefore, the US size zero is UK size 4, and so on, my size 10-12 would be 6-8 in US. Not trying to argue with Indja, but this is what I've heard from several places, plus I have US size 8 bottoms and I'm definitely more of a 12 with trousers.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Indja on July 18, 2011, 05:02:04 PM
I wouldn't say it was UK plus-size until a UK size 18, personally. 10-16 are average, and then above that is plus-size. I've never come across anything that says I'm plus-size :-\
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Indja on July 18, 2011, 05:10:51 PM
People are stoopid.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on July 18, 2011, 05:37:53 PM
People are stoopid.
You just figured this out darling?

Am I the only who things that people who make clothing for the masses don't realize that people can't all wear the same thing? I recently went shirt shopping and I had to shop XL. Honestly, what the hell? And at the same time, they some shirts so thin and tight!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Tiervexx on July 18, 2011, 07:27:13 PM
The term plus-size is an evil one.  They use it to describe anybody plus one size or more size 6, when size 6 isn't a healthy size for a lot of people.   I agree with C, plus-size basically means that the fashion industry is calling you fat.  They're making it sound like a disease or misfortune, by highlighting celebrities and models who are the same size.  It's like sayig 'hey, look, even though they're suffering, too, they're doing this to encourage you!'

I've never understood why the catwalk didn't like big boobs.  I would never want to be nor pass for a model, myself, but I got a lot more male attention at school (my body started working on my boobs early so the guys were all like  :o what are THOSE THEY'RE AWESOME!) because I had big boobs than my friends who had small boobs.  Small boobs are not unattractive in any way, though.  Still, I suppose the reason the catwalk favours them is because they're small like everything else.  Silly, really.

What annoys me is that I don't feel like most people would refer to me as being particularly fat, but the fashion and media would refer to me as 'plus-size' because I wear a size 12 top with size 10 or recently 8 bottoms (all in the plus size spectrum).  If I tried to wear a size 10 top (from most stores, some have bigger size margins) my boobs would be strangled and restricted.  I like my boobs.  I like that I have hips and a butt.  The fashion industry has no right to call me fat because I have healthy curves - oh wait, they're not, they just calling me 'plus size'.

Sounds like you have a nice figure, and I may have been using "plus-sized" incorrectly.  I was thinking plus sized was a euphemism for very big but when I googled it, I saw pictures of women who I would consider to be built well.

By that definition girls who appear in magazines run by straight men or lesbians are frequently in the "plus-sized" range.  As I said, it seems to mostly be the fashion industry that thinks skin and bones is the way to be.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on July 18, 2011, 11:28:07 PM
The term plus-size is an evil one.  They use it to describe anybody plus one size or more size 6, when size 6 isn't a healthy size for a lot of people.   I agree with C, plus-size basically means that the fashion industry is calling you fat.  They're making it sound like a disease or misfortune, by highlighting celebrities and models who are the same size.  It's like sayig 'hey, look, even though they're suffering, too, they're doing this to encourage you!'

I've never understood why the catwalk didn't like big boobs.  I would never want to be nor pass for a model, myself, but I got a lot more male attention at school (my body started working on my boobs early so the guys were all like  :o what are THOSE THEY'RE AWESOME!) because I had big boobs than my friends who had small boobs.  Small boobs are not unattractive in any way, though.  Still, I suppose the reason the catwalk favours them is because they're small like everything else.  Silly, really.

What annoys me is that I don't feel like most people would refer to me as being particularly fat, but the fashion and media would refer to me as 'plus-size' because I wear a size 12 top with size 10 or recently 8 bottoms (all in the plus size spectrum).  If I tried to wear a size 10 top (from most stores, some have bigger size margins) my boobs would be strangled and restricted.  I like my boobs.  I like that I have hips and a butt.  The fashion industry has no right to call me fat because I have healthy curves - oh wait, they're not, they just calling me 'plus size'.

Sounds like you have a nice figure, and I may have been using "plus-sized" incorrectly.  I was thinking plus sized was a euphemism for very big but when I googled it, I saw pictures of women who I would consider to be built well.

By that definition girls who appear in magazines run by straight men or lesbians are frequently in the "plus-sized" range.  As I said, it seems to mostly be the fashion industry that thinks skin and bones is the way to be.
Like I said, "Plus Size" is a thinly-veiled euphemism for "Fat", that the fashion industry
and their cronies in the media use for normal sized girls & women....

...and yeah, that's stoopid.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: tanqgirl on July 19, 2011, 12:10:32 AM
today one of the guys i work with and i were talking about food, and he was saying how the first few weeks after he started working there the boss would always have a huge plate of food sitting there waiting for him cause he thought he was too skinny! and i said "i wish i had that problem" and he says "OMG I SWEAR TO GOD IF YOU TRY TO TELL ME YOU'RE FAT OR SOMETHING I'M GONNA HIT YOU!" and i just started laughing because that wasnt what i was saying at all and his reaction was just hilarious! but i guess 2 of the people i work with who are honestly average sized keep saying they're fat around him (he is a twig btw) and he's mad because they're very obviously not fat!


and mockery i agree! i hate shopping because nothing ever fits me correctly because everything is made for stick figure types unless i want to go shop in the mom section, which fits me better, but i also look like i'm 21 going on 40 >:(
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: caddy on July 19, 2011, 03:57:00 AM
just because i think it's stupid that people are bitching about it, i've heard and known several overweight people who were "proud to not be anorexic" one was my college roommate, so dont act like people never say shit like that

Let me preface my entire post with saying I do not agree with the sentiment of being proud just because you aren't one specific body type, and shunning that body type in the same breath.  It's negative reinforcement, and I disagree with it.  But I also understand WHY an overweight women, or woman who feels she is overweight, would make that statement.


That said, you're right, there are overweight women who say that.  Probably because women who don't fit the standard social norms are so completely and blatantly ostracized in the media and society to the point of being demonized, that the only way to save whatever shred of dignity they have is to claim that they don't care, and try to turn the tables around and demonize the image that society has set up for women.  Is it wrong to return negativity with negativity?  No, not really.  Have women who are overweight been pushed into a corner where the only way for them to have any sort of love for themselves and their bodies is to insult the extreme aspect of the body type they're told they should have?  Yeah.

Hatred for women who are overweight is rampant, and when you have somebody telling you that you're a disgusting piece of shit for not fitting into a boxed in idea of beauty, you lash out against it.  Overweight women who make that statement aren't making it just because it's cool and hip.  It's a coping mechanism that wouldn't even exist if you didn't have women who make the statement,

"I'm proud to not be a gross, overweight fattie."

A statement that is far more accepted anywhere you go in society, and far more in use.  I've seen/heard very, very few overweight women make this statement (proud to not be anorexic), and from my own wealth of anecdata, since we seem to be using that as viable, factual evidence, every single woman I have known who has felt that way has tried and failed so many times to lose weight, that they give up and adopt that notion.  Why?  Because for the ones who actually DO want to be thin, they cannot get past the emotional and mental scars, or the psychological damage done in order to love themselves, which in turn would help them lose the weight effectively.

So for somebody here to post, "anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.", for another person to say from a place of experience that it is definitely not an accomplishment, and no women or person who is very overweight feels that way, and then for another person to come behind them and say, "But I heard this one girl back in college say..." is offensive, yes it is.  Because that one girl back in college wasn't saying it, I'm sure, because she was actually proud to not be the extreme side of what is acceptable by our society's standards.  It was probably a way of dealing with the every day stress of constantly being verbally and emotionally abused for her weight, and the emotional, mental and physical trauma that comes with having an unwanted body type, feeling like nobody will love you, and adopting the opinion that if nobody will love me, well then fuck them all, and fuck the image (anorexic body types) that the media and society says I should mirror.

Because let's be honest here, if the media wasn't trying to hock the anorexic body type for women as the supreme body type in every magazine and movie and show that you watch, overweight women wouldn't be shunning that specific image.  And it's a shame that a person who actually dealt with being overweight, and the extremes it put on her mentally and physically was instantly shunned and invalidated by one sentence in her post.



Now all I need is to not be attacked or flamed for my post, and I'll be fine.  I'm kind of nervous posting any of it, as fighting is not something I need to do right now with my stress level.  But the subject reflects things I've been thinking about recently, and how interesting that I would come back after so many months, and this would be the first thing I read.


ETA:  Oy, I'm so tempted to just delete this post, and move on from this.  This subject is so triggering for me, it's not even funny.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on July 19, 2011, 04:13:30 AM
I agree with everything you just said Miss Caddy.

(We miss you around here, the box needs intelligent, awesome people like you!)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: caddy on July 19, 2011, 04:18:17 AM
I agree with everything you just said Miss Caddy. But you knew I would.


<3


That's because you're all beautiful and sweet and smart and other various and sundry descriptors that are full of positiveness.

Lawd, I haven't posted here in a while, and this is my first post.  I'm a magnet for drama.    :D


(Yeah, but if I stay too long, I'm likely to drop a caddybomb, and that's never pretty.)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on July 19, 2011, 04:24:07 AM
I agree with everything you just said Miss Caddy. But you knew I would.


<3


That's because you're all beautiful and sweet and smart and other various and sundry descriptors that are full of positiveness.

Lawd, I haven't posted here in a while, and this is my first post.  I'm a magnet for drama.    :D


(Yeah, but if I stay too long, I'm likely to drop a caddybomb, and that's never pretty.)
Stay. (Just don't read the whole Slutwalks thread)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: caddy on July 19, 2011, 04:27:42 AM
I agree with everything you just said Miss Caddy. But you knew I would.


<3


That's because you're all beautiful and sweet and smart and other various and sundry descriptors that are full of positiveness.

Lawd, I haven't posted here in a while, and this is my first post.  I'm a magnet for drama.    :D


(Yeah, but if I stay too long, I'm likely to drop a caddybomb, and that's never pretty.)
Stay. (Just don't read the whole Slutwalks thread)

Now you know I have to read the Slutwalks thread, right?  I've got to see what kind of ridiculous slut-shaming and victim-blaming is in there, because I totally know it's there.  D=
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on July 19, 2011, 04:32:03 AM
I agree with everything you just said Miss Caddy. But you knew I would.


<3


That's because you're all beautiful and sweet and smart and other various and sundry descriptors that are full of positiveness.

Lawd, I haven't posted here in a while, and this is my first post.  I'm a magnet for drama.    :D


(Yeah, but if I stay too long, I'm likely to drop a caddybomb, and that's never pretty.)
Stay. (Just don't read the whole Slutwalks thread)

Now you know I have to read the Slutwalks thread, right?  I've got to see what kind of ridiculous slut-shaming and victim-blaming is in there, because I totally know it's there.  D=
Just let me get behind this bombproof glass.

Ok. I'm good. Read away.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: caddy on July 19, 2011, 04:57:59 AM
I agree with everything you just said Miss Caddy. But you knew I would.


<3


That's because you're all beautiful and sweet and smart and other various and sundry descriptors that are full of positiveness.

Lawd, I haven't posted here in a while, and this is my first post.  I'm a magnet for drama.    :D


(Yeah, but if I stay too long, I'm likely to drop a caddybomb, and that's never pretty.)
Stay. (Just don't read the whole Slutwalks thread)

Now you know I have to read the Slutwalks thread, right?  I've got to see what kind of ridiculous slut-shaming and victim-blaming is in there, because I totally know it's there.  D=
Just let me get behind this bombproof glass.

Ok. I'm good. Read away.


Oh, wow.  There's nothing there I would comment on, but just...wow.  Recently, on Facebook of all places, I had that same conversation with a friend of mine about how dress must affect a situation of rape.  I love said friend to death, but she commented on a story where a young woman had posted revealing photos on her Facebook, and a rapist found and raped her.  Said friend said she'd never attracted the attention of said rapist had she dressed better.  I said the clothing is just an excuse, and he was in the market for raping any girl, regardless.  Don't know the whole story, but to say that she could have avoided it by not posting those pictures is just an argument that begs to cut the mark closer and closer, to the point of saying you shouldn't post any pictures of yourself, lest you attract the wrong attention and get raped.  I couldn't convince her that her statement was full-blown victim-blaming, though.  Eventually I just gave up, and plugged my ears.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CottonCandy on July 19, 2011, 06:49:45 AM
I think most "plus-size" models are UK size 14-18, or US 10-14. Considering that they still are model height, size 14 or 16 is probably very normal size for them to wear! 18 might be on the curvier side but still ok. People don't seem to realise that the clothes size you wear does not only depend on weight but height, too. I used to work with this girl who was probably about 5 foot (or 150cm) and very round, I assumed she'd wear clothes much, much bigger than I did but they were only a size 14 or 16(or so she said), and I doubt she was a very healthy weight at all. However, later I worked with a tall woman wearing size 14 and she looked average, if not slim to me...
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: lentower on July 19, 2011, 07:48:22 AM
caddybombs have their own kind of beauty

welcome back
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: caddy on July 19, 2011, 09:04:35 AM
Ha, what a warm welcome.

Thank you, Lentower.  :)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: N.U. on July 19, 2011, 10:48:18 AM
beauty is scientifically noted to lie in the .7 waist to hip ratio.

as a female, if your waist is 28 inches (for example), then 40 inch hips are the most attractive since 28 inches/0.7= 40 inches.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on July 19, 2011, 02:41:46 PM
and mockery i agree! i hate shopping because nothing ever fits me correctly because everything is made for stick figure types unless i want to go shop in the mom section, which fits me better, but i also look like i'm 21 going on 40 >:(

It's such a pain in the ass huh?

And don't get me started on bra shopping.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: tanqgirl on July 20, 2011, 12:28:00 AM
and mockery i agree! i hate shopping because nothing ever fits me correctly because everything is made for stick figure types unless i want to go shop in the mom section, which fits me better, but i also look like i'm 21 going on 40 >:(

It's such a pain in the ass huh?

And don't get me started on bra shopping.

i have to start making my own
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on July 20, 2011, 11:35:27 AM
and mockery i agree! i hate shopping because nothing ever fits me correctly because everything is made for stick figure types unless i want to go shop in the mom section, which fits me better, but i also look like i'm 21 going on 40 >:(

It's such a pain in the ass huh?

And don't get me started on bra shopping.

i have to start making my own

Or buy them for $60 a pop!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on July 20, 2011, 04:03:57 PM
i don't even know what bra size i wear anymore.  i buy the sports ones coz bra shopping is a horrid experience.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: JohnnyDBBUK on July 21, 2011, 07:08:31 AM
I blame catwoman for perpetuating the Big Boobs tiny waist thing.
(http://www.totalwallpapers.com/comics/wallpapers/catwoman.jpg)
comic books in general
I know they are trying to draw athletic women with toned abs etc
who just happen to have large breasts but athletic women in my experience generally dont have massive breasts anyway.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TFqPbZj6BrQ/TftrpABvhbI/AAAAAAAAAp8/peq2kXwddMQ/s1600/Mystique.jpg)
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSBwhkVwVLD8wYjdvuGiObYj1Wqyip13XJlgE3yeOQ-2YACRo7X)
(http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4400000/Rogue-x-men-4409766-1024-768.jpg)
(http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4400000/Rogue-x-men-4409766-1024-768.jpg)

and this is what it looks like in real life for comparison :P
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1389/986956413_138092593f.jpg)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: lentower on July 21, 2011, 07:42:00 AM
I blame catwoman for perpetuating the Big Boobs tiny waist thing.

ooo

comic books in general
I know they are trying to draw athletic women with toned abs etc
who just happen to have large breasts but athletic women in my experience generally dont have massive breasts anyway.

ooo

and this is what it looks like in real life for comparison :P
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1389/986956413_138092593f.jpg)

i wish they would draw HAWT breasts, not big ones.
like these real life ones
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: lentower on July 21, 2011, 07:50:15 AM
and mockery i agree! i hate shopping because nothing ever fits me correctly because everything is made for stick figure types unless i want to go shop in the mom section, which fits me better, but i also look like i'm 21 going on 40 >:(

It's such a pain in the ass huh?

And don't get me started on bra shopping.

i have to start making my own

Or buy them for $60 a pop!
i don't even know what bra size i wear anymore.  i buy the sports ones coz bra shopping is a horrid experience.

just in case, any of you don't know
(i doubt it.  the gals here are very swift and smart
(i wonder at times about the dudes ; - ))

high-end department stores,
and specialty stores, like My Intimacy, here in Boston
will fit a woman to a bra that works for you.
they carry most brands and styles in all sizes.

but that's where $60,00+ a pop comes from.
to provide that level of service, training, and carry that
much inventory costs money

the women in my family are 'well-endowed'.
we're all thrifty,
but this is one place where money is spent for value
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on July 21, 2011, 09:02:54 AM
^ In that sense, we males don't get much better treatment:
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/superman-vs.jedi.jpg)
Supes.....

(http://johnsmilitaryhistory.com/manassas25.jpg)
Confederate General T.J. "Stonewall" Jackson (who earned that nickname 150 years ago today)
Quote
"One of his soldiers, Georgia volunteer William Andrews, wrote that Jackson was "a very ordinary looking man
of medium size
, his uniform badly soiled as though it had seen hard service. He wore a cap pulled down nearly
to his nose and was riding a rawboned horse that did not look much like a charger, unless it would be on hay
or clover. He certainly made a poor figure on a horseback, with his stirrup leather six inches too short, putting
his knees nearly level with his horse's back, and his heels turned out with his toes sticking behind his horse's
foreshoulder."
       - from Bud Robertson's excellent Stonewall Jackson: The Man, The Soldier, The Legend

Yay "heroic" proportions...  ...and yes, that statue is meant to be taken seriously.
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Post by: Cheddars Cousin on July 21, 2011, 09:33:26 AM
Damn...I feel so inadequate now... :'(
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: JohnnyDBBUK on July 21, 2011, 10:13:09 AM
There are some comic artists who buck the trend. or is it fuck?
I cant remember.
but yeah most do the toned (silicone firmround) boobs.
and the guys are usually drawn with feck off musculature and shadowed groinal regions. (why dont they spend as much time on that area as they do the breasts eh?) and don't get me started on Japanese artists. Those guys need to get laid fast.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NZsEfa-eY-M/S8v-JTxDptI/AAAAAAAAHuA/hNVbs9lOPL8/s1600/superman-bulging-out-everywhere-except-where-it-counts.jpg)
(http://jedineka.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/hentai_1_jedineka.jpg)
^were you life modelling again Sarah^ (sorry couldnt resist, small back, large.... anyway.... yeah Audrey I'm sorry I made a boob joke sue me)

did a Troop with a movie accurate spider man for sick kids charity. A 5 year old went up poked spiderman and said to his mum
"spiderman's willie is really tiny"
you have to be brave to wear spandex.
(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/263530_10150230537157838_704757837_7272920_4919551_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on July 21, 2011, 10:27:33 AM
american-style superheros aren't even logically proportioned.  on most bodies, the various bits are measured by so many head sizes.  on superhero bodies, the legs are something like two extra heads long, the bodies around normal but wider, and the arms are hyperextended.  i'm hunting for a chart; somewhere i have the stan lee version of how to proportion incorrectly and dynamically, was looking for it to post.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: JohnnyDBBUK on July 21, 2011, 11:00:57 AM
american-style superheros aren't even logically proportioned.  on most bodies, the various bits are measured by so many head sizes.  on superhero bodies, the legs are something like two extra heads long, the bodies around normal but wider, and the arms are hyperextended.  i'm hunting for a chart; somewhere i have the stan lee version of how to proportion incorrectly and dynamically, was looking for it to post.

are you thinking of 'how to draw comics the marvel way?'
sue has 60's style hips
(http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/uploads/DanielMontie/2007-04-08_103310_suehowto.jpg)
and Reed Richards has no balls. (but he never had them in the first place baboom tsssh)
(http://darrencalvert.com/figureproportions.jpg)

bit different these days. arse and sideboobs shots all round.
(http://idrawgirls.com/images/2009Q4/how-to-draw-woman-susan-storm.jpg)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on July 21, 2011, 01:43:53 PM
There are a lot of really good artist out there who can draw women realistically. Like Bruce Timm.
(http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/justice-wonder-woman.jpg)

Everything is well proportion and the women don't look like walking boobs. Here,s Wonder Woman has perfectly sized and she isn't pencil thin.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Sarah Doll on July 21, 2011, 01:55:23 PM
Sarah (no, not me) suggested I post this here.
http://www.listal.com/list/photoshop-me

Some of the stuff is just ridiculous! I remember hearing about the bigging up of Keira Knightley's boobage on the King Arthur poster but I haven't seen this much craziness before! It's just not necessary in most cases. Some of them needed a little touch up, but a lot of that could have been done with better lighting, angle, make-up. I don't get why they've added make up in some cases...just put it on the actual person! They do it noticeably so on Alicia Keys - who looked perfectly fine beforehand anyhow. They seem to have no use for make-up artists, or hair stylists. Why not even have the person, some of them look  cgi'ed anyway. Kidman is beautiful, then turned into a cgi/wax copy of herself. Oy! :violent1:
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on July 21, 2011, 01:55:53 PM
There are a lot of really good artist out there who can draw women realistically. Like Bruce Timm.
(http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/justice-wonder-woman.jpg)

Everything is well proportion and the women don't look like walking boobs. Here,s Wonder Woman has perfectly sized and she isn't pencil thin.

I have never ever seen a woman with hips and breasts that size with a waist that cinched, unless artificially.  I would actually say she is very thin, in the waist, especially.
I think she looks fine. Besides, she's an Amazon. I doubt she bends to the normal laws of physics.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on July 21, 2011, 03:35:38 PM
american-style superheros aren't even logically proportioned.  on most bodies, the various bits are measured by so many head sizes.  on superhero bodies, the legs are something like two extra heads long, the bodies around normal but wider, and the arms are hyperextended.  i'm hunting for a chart; somewhere i have the stan lee version of how to proportion incorrectly and dynamically, was looking for it to post.

are you thinking of 'how to draw comics the marvel way?'

no, i have a copy of that book, but not on the hard drive.  it's a similar one, it might actually not be stan lee.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on July 21, 2011, 05:16:54 PM
There are a lot of really good artist out there who can draw women realistically. Like Bruce Timm.
(http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/justice-wonder-woman.jpg)

Everything is well proportion and the women don't look like walking boobs. Here,s Wonder Woman has perfectly sized and she isn't pencil thin.
really? looks a tad on the idealised to me....also having a waist that is basically spine...
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on July 21, 2011, 05:25:46 PM
this is some pretty realistic and amazing photoshoppery:

(http://mydisguises.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/ww_action1.jpg)

as far as realistic, i dont think anyone beats alex ross.


(http://www.wonderwomanmuseum.com/images/aRoss-wwearly.jpg)

Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mr. Leave Me Alone on July 21, 2011, 05:32:51 PM

I think she looks fine. Besides, she's an Amazon. I doubt she bends to the normal laws of physics.

Hahahahahahahah. What? You're talking about how she's a realistic woman and then people say no and you say that it's okay because she's an amazon? Oh my. What was even the point?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on July 21, 2011, 07:40:56 PM
There are a lot of really good artist out there who can draw women realistically. Like Bruce Timm.
(http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/justice-wonder-woman.jpg)

Everything is well proportion and the women don't look like walking boobs. Here,s Wonder Woman has perfectly sized and she isn't pencil thin.

I have never ever seen a woman with hips and breasts that size with a waist that cinched, unless artificially.  I would actually say she is very thin, in the waist, especially.
I think she looks fine. Besides, she's an Amazon. I doubt she bends to the normal laws of physics.
She must have a 20 inch waist. That isn't natural and I am wondering how she could stand up straight, let alone take the bad guys out,   with boobs that size and a waist that small.

I know she is supposed to be an Amazon woman but i don't think she has ever really been drawn as one (although the image Ag posted is pretty damn close). She has always been more (kickass) barbie than Xena.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kKjrNsGlZbE/S79yTfJlCfI/AAAAAAAAAXA/ZYcqPrYq7hE/s400/Xena+and+Gabrielle.jpg)
In my mind if she was a true Amazon woman she'd look more like this.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on July 21, 2011, 07:58:17 PM
i have no idea whom the artist is, but i think it's something from a con, and i don't even think it's an official costume:

(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/47175/1289755-wonder_woman_pose_041_super.jpg)


but it is AWESOME.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on July 21, 2011, 08:04:15 PM
^Now that is more my idea of Amazonian Wonder Woman and most definitely awesome.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on July 21, 2011, 08:08:38 PM
Hope Solo would fill that out awesomely. I wonder if she can act.

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: caddy on July 21, 2011, 08:13:29 PM
There are a lot of really good artist out there who can draw women realistically. Like Bruce Timm.
(http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/justice-wonder-woman.jpg)

Everything is well proportion and the women don't look like walking boobs. Here,s Wonder Woman has perfectly sized and she isn't pencil thin.

I have never ever seen a woman with hips and breasts that size with a waist that cinched, unless artificially.  I would actually say she is very thin, in the waist, especially.
I think she looks fine. Besides, she's an Amazon. I doubt she bends to the normal laws of physics.
She must have a 20 inch waist. That isn't natural and I am wondering how she could stand up straight, let alone take the bad guys out,   with boobs that size and a waist that small.

I know she is supposed to be an Amazon woman but i don't think she has ever really been drawn as one (although the image Ag posted is pretty damn close). She has always been more (kickass) barbie than Xena.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kKjrNsGlZbE/S79yTfJlCfI/AAAAAAAAAXA/ZYcqPrYq7hE/s400/Xena+and+Gabrielle.jpg)
In my mind if she was a true Amazon woman she'd look more like this.


Damn, now I need to go watch Xena, because fuck yeah.

And these realistic looking pictures are pretty awesome.  Especially that last one up there.  *nods*  You can't be an Amazon with a teeny tiny waist.  You've gotta have some muscle to fight with, really.  >_>!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on July 21, 2011, 08:15:17 PM
Damn, now I need to go watch Xena, because fuck yeah.

And these realistic looking pictures are pretty awesome.  Especially that last one up there.  *nods*  You can't be an Amazon with a teeny tiny waist.  You've gotta have some muscle to fight with, really.  >_>!
I watched it this morning around 3am. Made sitting up with a sick baby somewhat more bearable.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on July 21, 2011, 08:44:52 PM
Damn, now I need to go watch Xena, because fuck yeah.

And these realistic looking pictures are pretty awesome.  Especially that last one up there.  *nods*  You can't be an Amazon with a teeny tiny waist.  You've gotta have some muscle to fight with, really.  >_>!
I watched it this morning around 3am. Made sitting up with a sick baby somewhat more bearable.
xena is the tits.  i've been running through the episodes with m'girl, catching the ones she missed.  i of course have seen em all like five times, because im obsessive like that.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on July 22, 2011, 09:51:00 AM
(http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/3778/vampirep.jpg)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: N.U. on July 22, 2011, 10:49:33 AM
Damn, now I need to go watch Xena, because fuck yeah.

And these realistic looking pictures are pretty awesome.  Especially that last one up there.  *nods*  You can't be an Amazon with a teeny tiny waist.  You've gotta have some muscle to fight with, really.  >_>!
I watched it this morning around 3am. Made sitting up with a sick baby somewhat more bearable.
xena is the tits.  i've been running through the episodes with m'girl, catching the ones she missed.  i of course have seen em all like five times, because im obsessive like that.

of course the Xena/Gabrielle hints at lesbianism don't make this  a better or worse show, LOL. It was funny when the writers realized who their fan base was when the show originally aired. The lesbian undertones because lesbian overtones. Still, Zena: Warrior Babe was an awesome show.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on July 22, 2011, 10:40:05 PM
Guys, stick to the subject please. This is not a thread in which we talk about Xena.

My boyfriend is here, sitting on top of me (ha ha) and according to him, I turned him off extremely skinny women. So is it strange for someone to change their idea of beauty?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: lentower on July 23, 2011, 12:16:36 PM
Guys, stick to the subject please. This is not a thread in which we talk about Xena.

My boyfriend is here, sitting on top of me (ha ha) and according to him, I turned him off extremely skinny women. So is it strange for someone to change their idea of beauty?
Do you know the shadowbox at all? 
 ;D

@Hilary - well, she only have 2/3ish of the posts you do.
  she can ask (& hope)

@Mockery - one of the way the sbox is different, is thread hijacking:
  change of subject mid-thread.  in the upper two-thirds of the sbox
  some prefer it stay within the realm of a/b/d.dolls, and brigading,
  but even there posters roam
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on July 23, 2011, 12:25:20 PM
it is not a hijack of a thread to segue into a related topic and then back to the topic at hand.  that's conversation.

a thread hijack, for example, is ignoring the thread altogether and spamming pictures of oprah, hypothetically.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on July 23, 2011, 12:28:07 PM
anyone gonna watch the MotoGP tomorrow?

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on July 23, 2011, 12:34:27 PM
If you had a pet polar bear would it be Ok to feed him nothing but ice-cream? I wonder what Oprah feeds hers...
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on July 23, 2011, 12:36:44 PM
If you had a pet polar bear would it be Ok to feed him nothing but ice-cream? I wonder what Oprah feeds hers...
oprah's bear is frustrate.


(http://lh4.ggpht.com/-K6do9GxWW4g/SobA7IHJ1MI/AAAAAAAAAkE/_IPRHGvI6JM/polar-bear-eating-ice-and-apples.jpg)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: N.U. on July 23, 2011, 12:54:31 PM
Guys, stick to the subject please. This is not a thread in which we talk about Xena.

My boyfriend is here, sitting on top of me (ha ha) and according to him, I turned him off extremely skinny women. So is it strange for someone to change their idea of beauty?

Not at all. I know my tastes have changed over the years. Growing up, I never considered anyone not having blond hair attractive. Now, my tastes aren't locked into a shallow standpoint.

Besides, I like my women to have curves.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on July 23, 2011, 12:56:33 PM
Guys, stick to the subject please. This is not a thread in which we talk about Xena.

My boyfriend is here, sitting on top of me (ha ha) and according to him, I turned him off extremely skinny women. So is it strange for someone to change their idea of beauty?

Not at all. I know my tastes have changed over the years. Growing up, I never considered anyone not having blond hair attractive. Now, my tastes aren't locked into a shallow standpoint.

Besides, I like my women to have curves.

Then you would like me.

I just find it interesting that my boyfriend used to be into really skinny women but now he can't stand them and would rather have a woman with curves. I've honestly never found people who are thing as a bean attractive. It makes them look sick and it can also be dangerous too.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on July 24, 2011, 12:50:29 PM
big hips > big boobs.

just sayin'.

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Cheddars Cousin on July 24, 2011, 01:13:18 PM
If you had a pet polar bear would it be Ok to feed him nothing but ice-cream? I wonder what Oprah feeds hers...
oprah's bear is frustrated. :)

I think you meant her beaver...
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on July 24, 2011, 06:16:01 PM
big hips > big boobs.

just sayin'.

#@!

That is true. My hips are kinda tiny compared to my massive mounds.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pandora on July 25, 2011, 09:55:56 AM
Having big hips kicks ass. My waist-to-hip ratio is pretty insane (like 0.66 or something), and although my top half is too small to really be in proportion, I can fool people into believing I have an hourglass figure by wearing the right type of clothes. I think I look waaaay hotter than an emaciated catwalk model. And hopefully it will be really easy to give birth with these hips :P
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: N.U. on July 25, 2011, 10:07:51 AM
That's not insane, Pandora, as a .7 waist to hip ratio is considered "ideal" in terms of what people find beautiful.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pandora on July 25, 2011, 02:06:39 PM
I think it looks alright but it can be pretty annoying when buying skirts or trousers because they're usually too big at the waist when they fit right at the hips. The wide hips are nice though because I have pretty big thighs as well and if I had narrow hips my thighs would probably chafe a lot but now they have enough space :P Anyway, I love my curves and I've embraced them. I wish all the other girls could do the same. The world would be a happier place if everyone could just love their body.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on July 25, 2011, 04:14:08 PM
find a good tailor and have them altered to your specific proportions. worth every cent.

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Tiervexx on July 25, 2011, 06:43:11 PM
That's not insane, Pandora, as a .7 waist to hip ratio is considered "ideal" in terms of what people find beautiful.

pfff, Pandora's ratio is closer to the golden ratio which is even better!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pandora on July 26, 2011, 02:51:25 PM
find a good tailor and have them altered to your specific proportions. worth every cent.

#@!
I've thought about that in the past, and bought stuff that didn't quite fit right with the thought 'I'll have it altered and then it'll be perfect'. I usually forget to actually have it done :P But one of my mum's friends is apparently quite good at sewing so maybe she could do it. I'm sure I could bribe her with some gluten-free homemade cookies.
That's not insane, Pandora, as a .7 waist to hip ratio is considered "ideal" in terms of what people find beautiful.

pfff, Pandora's ratio is closer to the golden ratio which is even better!
The whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on July 27, 2011, 12:12:12 AM
a brief explanation:

http://www.youtube.com/v/085KSyQVb-U&feature=related

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Shock G on July 27, 2011, 10:04:06 AM
big hips > big boobs.

just sayin'.

#@!

Must resist.........

Oh hell who am I kidding:

http://www.youtube.com/v/kY84MRnxVzo

But to make up for that here is some old school LL Cool J:

http://www.youtube.com/v/84LUpG6ieis
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on July 27, 2011, 10:41:43 AM
resistance is futile.  8)

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Shock G on July 27, 2011, 01:17:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/kZxDgb2nWEA
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on July 27, 2011, 02:21:22 PM
I used to hate having big boobs but now, I'm okay with them.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Indja on July 27, 2011, 03:02:06 PM
^I've always loved my big ol' boobies xD It's really been Seamy who's made me love the rest of me though. I mean, I didn't hate it before, but I wasn't really comfortable in my body. Now though I feel great - they should do boys-and-girls-who-find-your-every-inch-completely-charming on prescription or something as an aid to improving self-esteem xD
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Indja on July 27, 2011, 03:10:49 PM
Someone to get the big scary spider out of the bath while you're alone in the house and nobody else will do it for you? Someone to pop out to the shops for sanny rags when you're all out and can't bring yourself to move from the sofa and the hot water bottle? Someone to stay in for the plumber? Someone to rub your feet when you're broken? Someone to run you a bath when you're too tired to do it for yourself? Someone to help with the tricky bits on the crossword? Someone to vouch for you that you really did say the answer to that question on University Challenge before Jeremy Paxman did? Someone to carry the bags in from the taxi without being asked? Someone to go down to the train buffet carriage and bring you back a cup of tea? Someone to hold your hair back while you puke your brains out the morning after the night before? Someone to hold down the wrapping paper while you pick the end of the sellotape loose?

They really should do people on prescription. Life would be better.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on July 27, 2011, 06:22:09 PM
They're definitely something to grow into. My friends made fun of me in high school, refusing to hug me because my boobs would 'get in the way' etc, but its only because they were jealous.  It took me a while to realise that the guys (and girls) appreciated them and that they weren't just an unattractive burden.  High school will alienate you against everything you should be proud of.

I have kinda the same problem. I was the first to 'blossom' before everyone else and all the girls thought I was so cool and all the dudes were looking at me weird. I felt like more of a freak than I already was.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on July 28, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
i promise to take what you say in stride and be a grownup about it, personally.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on July 28, 2011, 11:26:32 PM
say what you gotta say.

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on July 29, 2011, 02:38:02 AM
I feel.  A little bit.  Like this thread is condemning big boobs and small waists, a little bit.  I feel like that figure is being made out to be negative (not in an ugly way, in a sort of us and them way) in order to make other body types more positive.  None is better than the other, but I feel like I can't discuss some things because I fear people will think I'm trying to be superior, no matter which way I say it.  
Ummm...

You have a slim waist, great rack, and an ass you could bounce a quarter pound
coin off of, and you think you look pretty damn good?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on July 29, 2011, 02:43:48 AM
yep that would be it.....
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: lentower on July 29, 2011, 03:07:39 AM
I feel.  A little bit.  Like this thread is condemning big boobs and small waists, a little bit.  I feel like that figure is being made out to be negative (not in an ugly way, in a sort of us and them way) in order to make other body types more positive.  None is better than the other, but I feel like I can't discuss some things because I fear people will think I'm trying to be superior, no matter which way I say it. 
Ummm...

You have a slim waist, great rack, and an ass you could bounce a quarter pound
coin off of, and you think you look pretty damn good?

witty, smart, fun, friendly, ...
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: JohnnyDBBUK on July 29, 2011, 05:27:51 AM
What about tiny boobs big waist?
or no boobs, giant legs.
or giant head, tiny shoulders, long arms, big waist, tiny legs and big feet?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c8/C-bob.png/200px-C-bob.png)

or giant arms, average boobs and thighs that could crush a head.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTK1r1HSfY4gAkDh0OaOOK5BK8lbbwM1WMfKscT0NtOVB2vC_SJrw)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on July 29, 2011, 05:51:11 AM
(http://www.donsmaps.com/images10/willendorfvenusiIMG_1443.jpg)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: JohnnyDBBUK on July 29, 2011, 06:18:06 AM
I think the most beautiful people are kind and honest and funny, and I don't give a flying fuck what they look like.

^

That is WIN.
Beauty fades and suddenly the Jock realizes he married a spiteful bitch etc
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pandora on July 29, 2011, 10:50:54 AM
Measurements really aren't important. I still think the most important thing for physical beauty is a nice genuine smile. Smiling people are always beautiful.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 01, 2011, 09:07:11 PM
I also think some people forget to focus on being healthy. It's okay to be skinny or chubby but you need to make sure that you are taking care of your body. Don't starve yourself, don't gorge yourself and don't over do the skinny pills.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on August 01, 2011, 09:21:26 PM
don't even do the skinny pills, at all.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on August 02, 2011, 07:12:52 AM
hmm...speed ( amphetamines) were used for their amazing energising and slimming effects up until club culture got hold of them........supresses appetite  and makes you burn up energy in a fun way......
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on August 02, 2011, 07:52:34 AM
My mother used to take them. She would stay up until 3am doing housework when she took them and became ridiculously thin.  She wasn't overweight to begin with. Her Dr was a family friend and wrote prescriptions for whatever Mum told her she needed.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on August 02, 2011, 08:09:44 AM
yep all the fun of amphetamines....really bad for your teeth though as a habitual user will end up grinding em to bits!


funnily enough, back in my clubkid days (they happened...honest) used to get paid in booze and speed to turn up and be glamourous at certain Soho clubs!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CottonCandy on August 02, 2011, 03:36:23 PM
yep all the fun of amphetamines....really bad for your teeth though as a habitual user will end up grinding em to bits!


funnily enough, back in my clubkid days (they happened...honest) used to get paid in booze and speed to turn up and be glamourous at certain Soho clubs!

Urgh, all of that just makes me think of Requiem For A Dream, shocking film.

And obviously there's less damaging diet pills... The Alli-pills that they sell now, absorb some of the fat content of your food. But you need to have relatively low-fat diet anyway with that, as otherwise the fat that the pills absorb will have to come out some way... If it's too much fat, you'll poop oily diarrea. Nice. And obviously it won't help at all if carbs are your downfall...
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Post by: Pope Totalfrog on August 02, 2011, 07:11:35 PM
yep all the fun of amphetamines....really bad for your teeth though as a habitual user will end up grinding em to bits!


funnily enough, back in my clubkid days (they happened...honest) used to get paid in booze and speed to turn up and be glamourous at certain Soho clubs!
We use to "borrow" some of her pills before we went out. They always ensured a good eight hours of dancing and mayhem.
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Post by: Agonistes on August 03, 2011, 01:40:20 AM
speaking from the hypocrisy of my age, and conveniently ignoring the fact that i routinely cleaned the state out of drugs every weekend in my wild and misspent youth, i must reiterate amongst all this reminiscing that SPEED WILL TURN YOUR BRAIN TO SWISS CHEESE.

so, yanno.  be careful.   and smoke more pot.
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Post by: The Angel Raliel on August 03, 2011, 05:17:00 AM
speaking from the hypocrisy of my age, and conveniently ignoring the fact that i routinely cleaned the state out of drugs every weekend in my wild and misspent youth, i must reiterate amongst all this reminiscing that SPEED WILL TURN YOUR BRAIN TO SWISS CHEESE.

so, yanno.  be careful.   and smoke more pot.
indeed and I do not take any illicit drugs anymore....except really occasionally when offered....um...which really does not happen often at all....I think i have had about six tokes on a joint in total all year and nothing else at all....too old for all that wild partying stuff....or simply not invited
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Post by: Mockery on August 03, 2011, 08:29:54 PM
So I guess we all agree that taking drugs to get skinny is a no-no?
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Post by: imaginary friend on August 03, 2011, 11:24:55 PM
So I guess we all agree that taking drugs to get skinny is a no-no?

not necessarily - we could be invaded by aliens who want to fatten us up so there's more marbling in our meat.   :confused2:

 8)

#@!
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Post by: Mockery on August 04, 2011, 06:20:27 PM
So I guess we all agree that taking drugs to get skinny is a no-no?

not necessarily - we could be invaded by aliens who want to fatten us up so there's more marbling in our meat.   :confused2:

 8)

#@!

Believe it or not, people have written comics about that. That actually leads into my next question. Well, kinda of.
Now I would post pictures but they're kinda risque so I'll just air on caution. If you want to see what I'm talking about, ask me and I'll send you a picture.

On DA, there are loads of artists who draw nothing but boobs. Now can someone tell me why? What is the big deal with boobs? Why are people so into them?
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Post by: The Angel Raliel on August 04, 2011, 06:25:35 PM
um....basically they are our primal source of nourishment, but we also seem hardwired to see them as a trigger for sexual desire...then it gets all complex....and about the role of sexuality in our evolution etc.....kind of covered this elsewhere i think.....
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Post by: JohnnyDBBUK on August 04, 2011, 07:04:23 PM
They make people happy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhHDmcVo50Y&feature=related


and some can crush things
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5FFrk8X3ek&feature=related
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Post by: Mockery on August 04, 2011, 07:06:47 PM
What is the big deal with boobs? Why are people so into them?

Because they are awesome.
But they're just mounds of flesh!
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Post by: JohnnyDBBUK on August 04, 2011, 07:10:44 PM
yes and very comfortable to rest your head on too  O0
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Post by: The Angel Raliel on August 04, 2011, 07:11:53 PM
no....they are a complex and almost unique part of human biology (back to bonobos again as they are the only other species with breasts that are evolved for sexual attraction as well as infant feeding)
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Post by: Pope Totalfrog on August 04, 2011, 07:16:25 PM
and some can crush things
http://www.youtube.com/v/w5FFrk8X3ek
:o
What is the big deal with boobs? Why are people so into them?

Because they are awesome.
Yes. Yes they are. Unless they are the ones in the video above. They are scary boobs and they will probably try to kill you in your sleep.
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Post by: Mockery on August 04, 2011, 07:30:22 PM
Well boobs are so great then why can't people be happy with the boobs they have? In a lot of art, i see people drawing women who gain bigger boobs in a number of strange ways. Some examples are:

A. Inflated with air by a hose
B. Filled up with water by a hose
C. Magic
D. Science
E. Some maggots that infect your boob and make them grow

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Post by: Pope Totalfrog on August 04, 2011, 07:30:38 PM
Wow.  I wouldn't want to piss those breasts off in a dark alleyway.
Sigged.
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Post by: Agonistes on August 04, 2011, 08:13:20 PM
i think a lot of boob art has to do with the male perspective as a viewer than women and their own boobs.

mockery, a lot of that art doesn't reflect conscious, chase-downable thoughts.  but, giant boobs as a fetish is not uncommon.
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Post by: Mockery on August 04, 2011, 08:14:13 PM
Exactly! All these guys think girls would enjoy having their skin stretches as their boobs grow!

I know that Ag but I just don't get it.
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Post by: Agonistes on August 04, 2011, 08:16:18 PM
you don't get it because it's not your thing.  you're not going to have empathy for it because it isn't something that moves you.  it's not because you're missing a point or anything.

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Post by: Mockery on August 04, 2011, 08:19:27 PM
you don't get it because it's not your thing.  you're not going to have empathy for it because it isn't something that moves you.  it's not because you're missing a point or anything.


Well maybe it's also because I'm a feminist (I'm not an insane one, mind you) but I feel like drawing nothing but pictures of girls with massive tits is kinda sexist and it bothers me that guys can't just enjoy one woman with big boobs.
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Post by: JohnnyDBBUK on August 04, 2011, 08:20:36 PM
well go draw a guy with a massive cock and leave it in the same place you found the big breasted women.
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Post by: Mockery on August 04, 2011, 08:25:22 PM
Oh gosh that's even worst! What's even worst is when they combine the two!
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Post by: Agonistes on August 04, 2011, 08:26:36 PM
you don't get it because it's not your thing.  you're not going to have empathy for it because it isn't something that moves you.  it's not because you're missing a point or anything.


Well maybe it's also because I'm a feminist (I'm not an insane one, mind you) but I feel like drawing nothing but pictures of girls with massive tits is kinda sexist and it bothers me that guys can't just enjoy one woman with big boobs.

it's not sexist, it's obsessive.  i went through a period where i only drew certain things or characteristics.  and many guys/people can't just enjoy one woman, that's actually an ages-old species debate.

what's wrong with combining the two?  chicks with dicks is a HUGE interest group.  i'm not in it, but i'll look at anything with interest.
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Post by: Mockery on August 04, 2011, 08:29:13 PM
you don't get it because it's not your thing.  you're not going to have empathy for it because it isn't something that moves you.  it's not because you're missing a point or anything.


Well maybe it's also because I'm a feminist (I'm not an insane one, mind you) but I feel like drawing nothing but pictures of girls with massive tits is kinda sexist and it bothers me that guys can't just enjoy one woman with big boobs.

it's not sexist, it's obsessive.  i went through a period where i only drew certain things or characteristics.  and many guys/people can't just enjoy one woman, that's actually an ages-old species debate.

what's wrong with combining the two?  chicks with dicks is a HUGE interest group.  i'm not in it, but i'll look at anything with interest.

I think since I have aspergers, I bring logic when it comes to porn and I just question it constantly.
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Post by: Agonistes on August 04, 2011, 08:32:16 PM
you don't get it because it's not your thing.  you're not going to have empathy for it because it isn't something that moves you.  it's not because you're missing a point or anything.


Well maybe it's also because I'm a feminist (I'm not an insane one, mind you) but I feel like drawing nothing but pictures of girls with massive tits is kinda sexist and it bothers me that guys can't just enjoy one woman with big boobs.

it's not sexist, it's obsessive.  i went through a period where i only drew certain things or characteristics.  and many guys/people can't just enjoy one woman, that's actually an ages-old species debate.

what's wrong with combining the two?  chicks with dicks is a HUGE interest group.  i'm not in it, but i'll look at anything with interest.

I think since I have aspergers, I bring logic when it comes to porn and I just question it constantly.

how old were you when you were diagnosed with asperger's?
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Post by: Mockery on August 04, 2011, 08:33:54 PM
you don't get it because it's not your thing.  you're not going to have empathy for it because it isn't something that moves you.  it's not because you're missing a point or anything.


Well maybe it's also because I'm a feminist (I'm not an insane one, mind you) but I feel like drawing nothing but pictures of girls with massive tits is kinda sexist and it bothers me that guys can't just enjoy one woman with big boobs.

it's not sexist, it's obsessive.  i went through a period where i only drew certain things or characteristics.  and many guys/people can't just enjoy one woman, that's actually an ages-old species debate.

what's wrong with combining the two?  chicks with dicks is a HUGE interest group.  i'm not in it, but i'll look at anything with interest.

I think since I have aspergers, I bring logic when it comes to porn and I just question it constantly.

how old were you when you were diagnosed with asperger's?

I was 12 when I got professional diagnosed. My mom figured I had it for a while but she took me to get a professional's opinion.
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Post by: Agonistes on August 04, 2011, 08:37:15 PM
the reason i ask is a friend of mine was recently misdiagnosed with same.  he is very high functioning autistic, but he is not asperger's, and i told him so.  the symptoms aren't there for him.  and, with further care, we found that his diagnosis was false.

i feel like it's become a catchall diagnosis like ADD used to be.  i don't mean to cast aspersions on your own situation at all, but the word gets thrown around a lot, and it's a syndrome with some very real characteristics.  so, i ask.  forgive my impertinence if my asking was uncalled for.
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Post by: Mockery on August 04, 2011, 08:39:24 PM
the reason i ask is a friend of mine was recently misdiagnosed with same.  he is very high functioning autistic, but he is not asperger's, and i told him so.  the symptoms aren't there for him.  and, with further care, we found that his diagnosis was false.

i feel like it's become a catchall diagnosis like ADD used to be.  i don't mean to cast aspersions on your own situation at all, but the word gets thrown around a lot, and it's a syndrome with some very real characteristics.  so, i ask.  forgive my impertinence if my asking was uncalled for.
Well during my time, everything was blamed on ADHD but if you meet me and get to know me, you'll tell that I am a born and bred aspy. I'm thankful we learned that I had aspergers because without knowing that, my life would have been 200% more complicated.
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Post by: Agonistes on August 04, 2011, 08:44:22 PM
the reason i ask is a friend of mine was recently misdiagnosed with same.  he is very high functioning autistic, but he is not asperger's, and i told him so.  the symptoms aren't there for him.  and, with further care, we found that his diagnosis was false.

i feel like it's become a catchall diagnosis like ADD used to be.  i don't mean to cast aspersions on your own situation at all, but the word gets thrown around a lot, and it's a syndrome with some very real characteristics.  so, i ask.  forgive my impertinence if my asking was uncalled for.
Well during my time, everything was blamed on ADHD but if you meet me and get to know me, you'll tell that I am a born and bred aspy. I'm thankful we learned that I had aspergers because without knowing that, my life would have been 200% more complicated.

adhd used to be add, and i was diagnosed with that too.  my physician was the one who caught that and told my mom, if i can watch a tv program in its entirety, i dont have add.

i totally intend to meet you one day, we've already exchanged clothes, whee!  and, of course, i shall form my judgements then, like one does, as you will with me.  but, for what it is worth, if you does has the aspers, you seem extremely high functioning.  which is a good thing.
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Post by: Mockery on August 04, 2011, 08:46:46 PM
the reason i ask is a friend of mine was recently misdiagnosed with same.  he is very high functioning autistic, but he is not asperger's, and i told him so.  the symptoms aren't there for him.  and, with further care, we found that his diagnosis was false.

i feel like it's become a catchall diagnosis like ADD used to be.  i don't mean to cast aspersions on your own situation at all, but the word gets thrown around a lot, and it's a syndrome with some very real characteristics.  so, i ask.  forgive my impertinence if my asking was uncalled for.
Well during my time, everything was blamed on ADHD but if you meet me and get to know me, you'll tell that I am a born and bred aspy. I'm thankful we learned that I had aspergers because without knowing that, my life would have been 200% more complicated.

adhd used to be add, and i was diagnosed with that too.  my physician was the one who caught that and told my mom, if i can watch a tv program in its entirety, i dont have add.

i totally intend to meet you one day, we've already exchanged clothes, whee!  and, of course, i shall form my judgements then, like one does, as you will with me.  but, for what it is worth, if you does has the aspers, you seem extremely high functioning.  which is a good thing.
Well you did invite me your wedding!

Yeah, I'm high functioning. The teachers keep on telling my mom I had ADHD but my mom kept saying no and it turns out she was right!
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Post by: Tiervexx on August 06, 2011, 03:25:49 PM
...I bring logic when it comes to porn and I just question it constantly...

That's a massive mistake.

Drives are always utterly subjective so trying to rationalize them within is only going to get you more and more confused.

The only way you can attempt to explain them is through evolutionary psychology.  That offers very good explanations for why there would exist people who like certain things but it still requires you to turn off your own preferences to think about others' objectively and why they would have evolved.


adhd used to be add, and i was diagnosed with that too.  my physician was the one who caught that and told my mom, if i can watch a tv program in its entirety, i dont have add.


I have never been officially checked out for ADD but I can't help but think I have it based on the fact that my mind wanders every waking hour.

I can't watch 15 minutes of a TV program I LOVE without losing focus.
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Post by: Shock G on August 07, 2011, 11:19:26 PM
you don't get it because it's not your thing.  you're not going to have empathy for it because it isn't something that moves you.  it's not because you're missing a point or anything.


Well maybe it's also because I'm a feminist (I'm not an insane one, mind you) but I feel like drawing nothing but pictures of girls with massive tits is kinda sexist and it bothers me that guys can't just enjoy one woman with big boobs.

People just have styles and that is how they portray people...some can be sickly with dark bags around the eyes of all their characters, or along the lines of this thread Frank Frazetta's work which is known for big boob's and big butts.

(http://westfieldcomics.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/frank-frazetta-egyptian-queen.jpg)

Ideas or biases can influence these but sometimes it is just how they express themselves.
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Post by: Mockery on August 07, 2011, 11:32:12 PM
Yeah but it then makes these people seem like they only care about a girl who has an amazing rack. I think there is a problem when an idea or style becomes more like obsession. For example, there is site called Mastasia where it features girls with plastic overly inflated balloons attached to their chests (apparently, those are suppose to be their boobs) and I commented on a video from the site I saw on YouTube saying how fake the girl looked and how her boobs looked extremely strange. I then was bombarded with comments saying how perfect and lovely the breasts were. I just think that some people get so wrapped into something physical they don't want to leave anything emotional.

Does that make any sense or am I spouting nonsense?
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Post by: Agonistes on August 07, 2011, 11:50:21 PM
you don't get it because it's not your thing.  you're not going to have empathy for it because it isn't something that moves you.  it's not because you're missing a point or anything.


Well maybe it's also because I'm a feminist (I'm not an insane one, mind you) but I feel like drawing nothing but pictures of girls with massive tits is kinda sexist and it bothers me that guys can't just enjoy one woman with big boobs.

i'd missed this a few days ago.

i'm not a feminist at all, so maybe that's the difference we have in opinion on this, but i'm also not sure if you're upset with the guys who draw women like this or the guys who look at the drawings.  there is a lowest common denominator in comic-style art the same as there is in the themes of movie plots, such as they are, if less obvious and with way more wiggle room.  it's what sells.  it is what sells the most, and it is what sells with the most consistency.  and if investors are going to gamble their money to produce anything, nine times out of ten it will be something safe enough to guarantee them a return of investment.

there is also a difference between straight guys who can't enjoy one woman with big boobs physically, and straight guys who are just looking at art.  and, there also isn't a difference.  guys in general crave more sexual outlets than women.  that isn't even a sexist statement, it's a biological fact.  they also tend more toward the visual, another fact.
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Post by: The Angel Raliel on August 08, 2011, 02:31:16 AM
an awful lot of the people into the sort of heavily stylized anime type giasnt bob thing are into it for the sake of being into it....alot of seperate m,anga styles end up being very culty and the implications of the actual imagery are generally not that important.....largely it is the province of teen kids.
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Post by: Mockery on August 08, 2011, 07:32:47 AM
I'm not against people who look at art. I just think there is a huge difference in looking at porn and art.
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Post by: Agonistes on August 08, 2011, 07:40:10 AM
I'm not against people who look at art. I just think there is a huge difference in looking at porn and art.

the difference isn't really all that huge at all, is the thing.  there has been an argument going on for centuries as to what the difference is between many forms of art, and porn (case in point, the mappelthorpe exhibit).  i've personally never been able to understand what the big taboo is, or should be, about looking at porn, whether it is arty or extremely low-brow.  it's not like arguing about it or disliking it is going to shame anyone into stopping doing it, so why bother with whether or not some folks enjoy porn?  why not let them enjoy it?  it's a fact that sexual crimes decrease with the availability of porn.  repression is counter-productive to a healthy society.
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Post by: Mockery on August 08, 2011, 02:00:45 PM
I'm not against people who look at art. I just think there is a huge difference in looking at porn and art.

the difference isn't really all that huge at all, is the thing.  there has been an argument going on for centuries as to what the difference is between many forms of art, and porn (case in point, the mappelthorpe exhibit).  i've personally never been able to understand what the big taboo is, or should be, about looking at porn, whether it is arty or extremely low-brow.  it's not like arguing about it or disliking it is going to shame anyone into stopping doing it, so why bother with whether or not some folks enjoy porn?  why not let them enjoy it?  it's a fact that sexual crimes decrease with the availability of porn.  repression is counter-productive to a healthy society.

I'm just saying porn is not art. I don't see anything artistic in it. It's awkward, clumsy and just plain gross.
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Post by: CottonCandy on August 08, 2011, 03:49:02 PM
I'm not against people who look at art. I just think there is a huge difference in looking at porn and art.

the difference isn't really all that huge at all, is the thing.  there has been an argument going on for centuries as to what the difference is between many forms of art, and porn (case in point, the mappelthorpe exhibit).  i've personally never been able to understand what the big taboo is, or should be, about looking at porn, whether it is arty or extremely low-brow.  it's not like arguing about it or disliking it is going to shame anyone into stopping doing it, so why bother with whether or not some folks enjoy porn?  why not let them enjoy it?  it's a fact that sexual crimes decrease with the availability of porn.  repression is counter-productive to a healthy society.

I'm just saying porn is not art. I don't see anything artistic in it. It's awkward, clumsy and just plain gross.

I doubt anyone is seriously claiming porn is art, but there is a use for it: making people excited and bringing them enjoyment. Now, if you don't get those things from it you obviously don't have to watch it, but lots of people don't find porn "awkward, clumsy and plain gross", and I say, as long as the porn is made by consenting adults, who is getting hurt? I hate these womens magazines where girls say "I found my boyfriend watching porn and I think it's like he's cheating on me so I dumped him"
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Post by: Captain Oblivious on August 08, 2011, 03:53:40 PM
I'm not against people who look at art. I just think there is a huge difference in looking at porn and art.

the difference isn't really all that huge at all, is the thing.  there has been an argument going on for centuries as to what the difference is between many forms of art, and porn (case in point, the mappelthorpe exhibit).  i've personally never been able to understand what the big taboo is, or should be, about looking at porn, whether it is arty or extremely low-brow.  it's not like arguing about it or disliking it is going to shame anyone into stopping doing it, so why bother with whether or not some folks enjoy porn?  why not let them enjoy it?  it's a fact that sexual crimes decrease with the availability of porn.  repression is counter-productive to a healthy society.

I'm just saying porn is not art. I don't see anything artistic in it. It's awkward, clumsy and just plain gross.

I doubt anyone is seriously claiming porn is art, but there is a use for it: making people excited and bringing them enjoyment. Now, if you don't get those things from it you obviously don't have to watch it, but lots of people don't find porn "awkward, clumsy and plain gross", and I say, as long as the porn is made by consenting adults, who is getting hurt? I hate these womens magazines where girls say "I found my boyfriend watching porn and I think it's like he's cheating on me so I dumped him"

I'm with Cotton Candy on this one. It doesn't make sense to me when people do that. It's nothing like cheating! I also don't see the harm in it, though sometimes it makes me cringe for the girls. Porn is most usually aimed at guys so women are usually in the inferior position and they do just what the guy wants.
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Post by: Mockery on August 08, 2011, 04:59:46 PM
I'm not against people who look at art. I just think there is a huge difference in looking at porn and art.

the difference isn't really all that huge at all, is the thing.  there has been an argument going on for centuries as to what the difference is between many forms of art, and porn (case in point, the mappelthorpe exhibit).  i've personally never been able to understand what the big taboo is, or should be, about looking at porn, whether it is arty or extremely low-brow.  it's not like arguing about it or disliking it is going to shame anyone into stopping doing it, so why bother with whether or not some folks enjoy porn?  why not let them enjoy it?  it's a fact that sexual crimes decrease with the availability of porn.  repression is counter-productive to a healthy society.

I'm just saying porn is not art. I don't see anything artistic in it. It's awkward, clumsy and just plain gross.

I doubt anyone is seriously claiming porn is art, but there is a use for it: making people excited and bringing them enjoyment. Now, if you don't get those things from it you obviously don't have to watch it, but lots of people don't find porn "awkward, clumsy and plain gross", and I say, as long as the porn is made by consenting adults, who is getting hurt? I hate these womens magazines where girls say "I found my boyfriend watching porn and I think it's like he's cheating on me so I dumped him"

I'm not saying someone is getting hurt. It just doesn't seem natural.
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Post by: Captain Oblivious on August 08, 2011, 06:47:38 PM
What's not natural about having sex?
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Post by: Agonistes on August 08, 2011, 06:47:58 PM
I'm not against people who look at art. I just think there is a huge difference in looking at porn and art.

the difference isn't really all that huge at all, is the thing.  there has been an argument going on for centuries as to what the difference is between many forms of art, and porn (case in point, the mappelthorpe exhibit).  i've personally never been able to understand what the big taboo is, or should be, about looking at porn, whether it is arty or extremely low-brow.  it's not like arguing about it or disliking it is going to shame anyone into stopping doing it, so why bother with whether or not some folks enjoy porn?  why not let them enjoy it?  it's a fact that sexual crimes decrease with the availability of porn.  repression is counter-productive to a healthy society.

I'm just saying porn is not art. I don't see anything artistic in it. It's awkward, clumsy and just plain gross.

I doubt anyone is seriously claiming porn is art, but there is a use for it: making people excited and bringing them enjoyment. Now, if you don't get those things from it you obviously don't have to watch it, but lots of people don't find porn "awkward, clumsy and plain gross", and I say, as long as the porn is made by consenting adults, who is getting hurt? I hate these womens magazines where girls say "I found my boyfriend watching porn and I think it's like he's cheating on me so I dumped him"

I'm not saying someone is getting hurt. It just doesn't seem natural.

human sexuality isn't 'natural' at all.  humans, for example, are the only animals that face each other during sex.  if anything, humans transcend the natural order when it comes to diversity in sexuality.  to me, porn seems as 'natural' as it gets....stimulus = response.  i mean, that's pretty basic.

also, one person's art is another person's porn.  my point in comparing the two is that people don't even agree where the line should be drawn between art and porn.  to some people, any form of art is pornographic, or abominable.

also, what might not appeal to you, or me, or whomever, is not the standard by which any manner of opinion should be judged.  if you don't like it, it's just not something you like.  but judging it by your standards is only your standards, and well....no one bases their opinion on other's standards unless they want to.  it might be the greatest thing in the world to someone else.
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Post by: Mockery on August 08, 2011, 07:11:23 PM
What's not natural about having sex?

Not sex in general. I mean porn sex. It's so not natural and it makes it seem weird.

Again, I'm an aspy so I kinda bring logic into porn which is a problem.
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Post by: Cheddars Cousin on August 08, 2011, 09:13:16 PM
Wait...What...?  You're an ASPY?  I had no idea...
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 08, 2011, 10:19:55 PM
Wait...What...?  You're an ASPY?  I had no idea...

Is that sarcasm or are you actually surprised?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on August 09, 2011, 12:42:44 AM
well, you have mentioned it a time or ten, lately.


also, 'bringing logic into porn' is not really symptomatic of asperger's at all (assuming we can get two physicians to even agree what asperger's is), and it's not really at all what you seem to be doing here.  if you were being logical about porn, you would be able to accept people's views on it, but you seem stuck on your own perception, and therefore unable or unwilling to accept others' opinions, thoughts, and facts on the subject, simply because it doesn't appeal to you, and that's neither open-minded, nor logical, nor indicative of someone who is seriously looking for answers.  it seems more like you have an argument with the validity of porn in general because you don't personally see any value in it, or because you directly disagree with someone you know's use of porn.  if i didn't know better, i would guess this is an internal issue you're trying to find answers on, but you seem to be rejecting all the answers you are given here, and i am not sure why.  declaring porn 'unnatural' isn't really very logical, either; but no matter how many times you repeat the question, so to speak, the answers really aren't going to change much.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on August 09, 2011, 02:43:44 AM
I'm not against people who look at art. I just think there is a huge difference in looking at porn and art.

the difference isn't really all that huge at all, is the thing.  there has been an argument going on for centuries as to what the difference is between many forms of art, and porn (case in point, the mappelthorpe exhibit).  i've personally never been able to understand what the big taboo is, or should be, about looking at porn, whether it is arty or extremely low-brow.  it's not like arguing about it or disliking it is going to shame anyone into stopping doing it, so why bother with whether or not some folks enjoy porn?  why not let them enjoy it?  it's a fact that sexual crimes decrease with the availability of porn.  repression is counter-productive to a healthy society.

I'm just saying porn is not art. I don't see anything artistic in it. It's awkward, clumsy and just plain gross.

I doubt anyone is seriously claiming porn is art, but there is a use for it: making people excited and bringing them enjoyment. Now, if you don't get those things from it you obviously don't have to watch it, but lots of people don't find porn "awkward, clumsy and plain gross", and I say, as long as the porn is made by consenting adults, who is getting hurt? I hate these womens magazines where girls say "I found my boyfriend watching porn and I think it's like he's cheating on me so I dumped him"

I'm not saying someone is getting hurt. It just doesn't seem natural.

human sexuality isn't 'natural' at all.  humans, for example, are the only animals that face each other during sex.  if anything, humans transcend the natural order when it comes to diversity in sexuality.  to me, porn seems as 'natural' as it gets....stimulus = response.  i mean, that's pretty basic.

also, one person's art is another person's porn.  my point in comparing the two is that people don't even agree where the line should be drawn between art and porn.  to some people, any form of art is pornographic, or abominable.

also, what might not appeal to you, or me, or whomever, is not the standard by which any manner of opinion should be judged.  if you don't like it, it's just not something you like.  but judging it by your standards is only your standards, and well....no one bases their opinion on other's standards unless they want to.  it might be the greatest thing in the world to someone else.
actually whales and dolphins kind of face each other....as do Bonobo Chimpanzees....well actually Bonobos do it every way possib le and have a sort of ape karma sutra!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: lentower on August 09, 2011, 03:31:33 PM
Wait...What...?  You're an ASPY?  I had no idea...

Is that sarcasm or are you actually surprised?

Mockery:

you do realize that Cheddar is what we call an alt here on the sbox?

alts stick to a narrow personality,
are a form of role playing,
and can be either artsy, comical, or neither

they are usually second accounts set up by long-term sboxers,
and don't display the whole range a real human does
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 09, 2011, 05:13:54 PM
Wait...What...?  You're an ASPY?  I had no idea...

Is that sarcasm or are you actually surprised?

Mockery:

you do realize that Cheddar is what we call an alt here on the sbox?

alts stick to a narrow personality,
are a form of role playing,
and can be either artsy, comical, or neither

they are usually second accoutns set up by long-term sboxers,
and don't display the wholer ange a real human does


Oh, okay. Thank you for the information Lent.

well, you have mentioned it a time or ten, lately.


also, 'bringing logic into porn' is not really symptomatic of asperger's at all (assuming we can get two physicians to even agree what asperger's is), and it's not really at all what you seem to be doing here.  if you were being logical about porn, you would be able to accept people's views on it, but you seem stuck on your own perception, and therefore unable or unwilling to accept others' opinions, thoughts, and facts on the subject, simply because it doesn't appeal to you, and that's neither open-minded, nor logical, nor indicative of someone who is seriously looking for answers.  it seems more like you have an argument with the validity of porn in general because you don't personally see any value in it, or because you directly disagree with someone you know's use of porn.  if i didn't know better, i would guess this is an internal issue you're trying to find answers on, but you seem to be rejecting all the answers you are given here, and i am not sure why.  declaring porn 'unnatural' isn't really very logical, either; but no matter how many times you repeat the question, so to speak, the answers really aren't going to change much.

Yeah. I guess in a nutshell, I don't like porn. I just don't get it. Sorry Playboy.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on August 09, 2011, 05:19:13 PM
Is Playboy even considered "porn" anymore?  It's more like Cosmo, but with a
lower wardrobe-budget and less-skilled Photoshop-butchers-editors
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 09, 2011, 06:35:26 PM
Okay, I'll apologize to Maximum.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: dollz4eva on August 09, 2011, 06:45:49 PM
Apologise to the world.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 09, 2011, 07:05:58 PM
Apologise to the world.
Not everyone looks at porn.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: dollz4eva on August 09, 2011, 07:25:40 PM
lol
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on August 09, 2011, 08:14:49 PM


Yeah. I guess in a nutshell, I don't like porn. I just don't get it. Sorry Playboy.
well, and it's cool if you don't 'get' it.  i don't even say you should have to accept it, really, your space is your space, as it were.  but judging it all wrong, i guess is my pet peeve, because well, i enjoy porn and i don't think anything is wrong with it.  many people do enjoy it, and see nothing wrong with it.

i mean there are folks who think disney is immoral or whatever, in the same way one might feel about porn.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 09, 2011, 08:49:30 PM


Yeah. I guess in a nutshell, I don't like porn. I just don't get it. Sorry Playboy.
well, and it's cool if you don't 'get' it.  i don't even say you should have to accept it, really, your space is your space, as it were.  but judging it all wrong, i guess is my pet peeve, because well, i enjoy porn and i don't think anything is wrong with it.  many people do enjoy it, and see nothing wrong with it.

i mean there are folks who think disney is immoral or whatever, in the same way one might feel about porn.

It is! They're in charge of the KKK. Didn't you know?

Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on August 09, 2011, 09:31:34 PM


Yeah. I guess in a nutshell, I don't like porn. I just don't get it. Sorry Playboy.
well, and it's cool if you don't 'get' it.  i don't even say you should have to accept it, really, your space is your space, as it were.  but judging it all wrong, i guess is my pet peeve, because well, i enjoy porn and i don't think anything is wrong with it.  many people do enjoy it, and see nothing wrong with it.

i mean there are folks who think disney is immoral or whatever, in the same way one might feel about porn.

It is! They're in charge of the KKK. Didn't you know?



yes, well, everyone knows how much the kkk loves homosexuals, and disney was also one of the first companies to do spousal benefits for gay employee partners.  so someone somewhere is lying to somebody.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 09, 2011, 10:43:47 PM


Yeah. I guess in a nutshell, I don't like porn. I just don't get it. Sorry Playboy.
well, and it's cool if you don't 'get' it.  i don't even say you should have to accept it, really, your space is your space, as it were.  but judging it all wrong, i guess is my pet peeve, because well, i enjoy porn and i don't think anything is wrong with it.  many people do enjoy it, and see nothing wrong with it.

i mean there are folks who think disney is immoral or whatever, in the same way one might feel about porn.

It is! They're in charge of the KKK. Didn't you know?



yes, well, everyone knows how much the kkk loves homosexuals, and disney was also one of the first companies to do spousal benefits for gay employee partners.  so someone somewhere is lying to somebody.

It's Walt Disney! He's still alive I tell ya!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on August 10, 2011, 01:21:18 AM
He is....

....but Michael Eisner fired him cuz he wouldn't shave off the 'stache.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 11, 2011, 12:59:24 AM
http://yourrealitycheck.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/the-insider-reality-show-my-boobs-are-gonna-explode/
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on August 12, 2011, 12:55:41 AM
^ got that beat:     http://abcnews.go.com/Health/breast-implants-83-senior-citizens-elect-plastic-surgery/story?id=14266043

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on August 12, 2011, 02:24:36 PM
speaking of porn, mockery, there was talk of swimsuit pics.  bikini, as i recall.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 12, 2011, 07:34:17 PM
speaking of porn, mockery, there was talk of swimsuit pics.  bikini, as i recall.

Regarding me?

Ya'll don't wanna see me in bikini unless ya'll like chubby bellies.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Captain Oblivious on August 12, 2011, 08:04:08 PM
speaking of porn, mockery, there was talk of swimsuit pics.  bikini, as i recall.

Regarding me?

Ya'll don't wanna see me in bikini unless ya'll like chubby bellies.

I don't know of anyone here who would raise an objection :P
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on August 12, 2011, 10:04:09 PM
speaking of porn, mockery, there was talk of swimsuit pics.  bikini, as i recall.

Regarding me?

Ya'll don't wanna see me in bikini unless ya'll like chubby bellies.

I don't know of anyone here who would raise an objection :P

if you think it's that much of an issue, Mockery, just pm them to Ag. problem solved.  8)

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on August 12, 2011, 11:17:56 PM
speaking of porn, mockery, there was talk of swimsuit pics.  bikini, as i recall.

Regarding me?

Ya'll don't wanna see me in bikini unless ya'll like chubby bellies.

I don't know of anyone here who would raise an objection :P

if you think it's that much of an issue, Mockery, just pm them to Ag. problem solved.  8)

#@!

see?  solutions.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 13, 2011, 08:15:04 PM
speaking of porn, mockery, there was talk of swimsuit pics.  bikini, as i recall.

Regarding me?

Ya'll don't wanna see me in bikini unless ya'll like chubby bellies.

I don't know of anyone here who would raise an objection :P

Okay. Guess I'll have to go and actually find a bikini since I don't actually have one.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on August 13, 2011, 11:58:30 PM
speaking of porn, mockery, there was talk of swimsuit pics.  bikini, as i recall.

Regarding me?

Ya'll don't wanna see me in bikini unless ya'll like chubby bellies.

I don't know of anyone here who would raise an objection :P

Okay. Guess I'll have to go and actually find a bikini since I don't actually have one.


BUT YOU SAID.  dont go to any trouble.  but, you're the one who brought it up.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Tiervexx on August 14, 2011, 02:25:54 PM
speaking of porn, mockery, there was talk of swimsuit pics.  bikini, as i recall.

Regarding me?

Ya'll don't wanna see me in bikini unless ya'll like chubby bellies.

I don't know of anyone here who would raise an objection :P

Okay. Guess I'll have to go and actually find a bikini since I don't actually have one.


BUT YOU SAID.  dont go to any trouble.  but, you're the one who brought it up.

I think this was pretty obvious though, wasn't it?

DON'T COCK BLOCK AGONISTES!

 8)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on August 14, 2011, 05:03:04 PM
speaking of porn, mockery, there was talk of swimsuit pics.  bikini, as i recall.

Regarding me?

Ya'll don't wanna see me in bikini unless ya'll like chubby bellies.

I don't know of anyone here who would raise an objection :P

Okay. Guess I'll have to go and actually find a bikini since I don't actually have one.


BUT YOU SAID.  dont go to any trouble.  but, you're the one who brought it up.

I think this was pretty obvious though, wasn't it?

DON'T COCK BLOCK AGONISTES!

 8)

Wouldn't that be a twist in the tale?


 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 14, 2011, 05:55:36 PM
speaking of porn, mockery, there was talk of swimsuit pics.  bikini, as i recall.

Regarding me?

Ya'll don't wanna see me in bikini unless ya'll like chubby bellies.

I don't know of anyone here who would raise an objection :P

Okay. Guess I'll have to go and actually find a bikini since I don't actually have one.


BUT YOU SAID.  dont go to any trouble.  but, you're the one who brought it up.
I know, I know. Nevertheless, I still need to find one that fits me.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on August 14, 2011, 07:22:10 PM
better hit the summer clearance sales quick.

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 15, 2011, 03:51:35 PM
I need one that fits, not one that lets my boob hang out.

Quick question: what are these suppose to be?
(http://grupthinkpro.s3.amazonaws.com/grupthinklive8bd572b9a225ea47435afdb0fcd9b7d7)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on August 15, 2011, 10:27:00 PM
gargantuabewbs, hangin out.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on August 16, 2011, 12:39:35 AM
kinda really gross?   :puke:
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 16, 2011, 01:23:02 PM
kinda really gross?   :puke:

I know right?

Basically, these girls have over grown balloons on their chests. I found this site and instead of being disgusted, I was laughing! It's so damn hilarious!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on August 16, 2011, 06:57:24 PM
before:

(http://blondemarvel.com/stuff/roxie54.jpg)

after:

(http://www.whynotad.com/_mm/_d/_ext2/66412/big_Soleil%20Moon%20Frye01.jpg)

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: JohnnyDBBUK on August 17, 2011, 05:12:58 AM
I need one that fits, not one that lets my boob hang out.

Quick question: what are these suppose to be?
(http://grupthinkpro.s3.amazonaws.com/grupthinklive8bd572b9a225ea47435afdb0fcd9b7d7)

I call photoshop schenanigans
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 17, 2011, 06:01:51 PM
I need one that fits, not one that lets my boob hang out.

Quick question: what are these suppose to be?
(http://grupthinkpro.s3.amazonaws.com/grupthinklive8bd572b9a225ea47435afdb0fcd9b7d7)

I call photoshop schenanigans

You'd be wrong.

A friend of mine who collects porn (she doesn't get off to it) found this and showed it to us once. Those are their actual boobs.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on August 17, 2011, 06:57:49 PM
I need one that fits, not one that lets my boob hang out.

Quick question: what are these suppose to be?
(http://grupthinkpro.s3.amazonaws.com/grupthinklive8bd572b9a225ea47435afdb0fcd9b7d7)

I call photoshop schenanigans

You'd be wrong.

A friend of mine who collects porn (she doesn't get off to it) found this and showed it to us once. Those are their actual boobs.
No they aren't. It would be physically impossible for the skin to stretch that far. Doesn't mean people can't get enormous implants but that photo is either shopped or the girls are wearing costumes. If you look at the girl with the dark hair you can see the bean bag seams under her top.

Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on August 17, 2011, 09:37:34 PM
nope, those aren't real.  the weight alone would tear skin.  it only takes about three pounds of force to rip off an ear, for example, and breast flesh is only probably a quarter inch thick at best to begin with.

same principal as why women can't pierce and hang themselves by a two-point dangle from the chest like some men have been known to.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CottonCandy on August 18, 2011, 02:08:02 AM
I need one that fits, not one that lets my boob hang out.

Quick question: what are these suppose to be?
(http://grupthinkpro.s3.amazonaws.com/grupthinklive8bd572b9a225ea47435afdb0fcd9b7d7)

I call photoshop schenanigans

You'd be wrong.

A friend of mine who collects porn (she doesn't get off to it) found this and showed it to us once. Those are their actual boobs.
No they aren't. It would be physically impossible for the skin to stretch that far. Doesn't mean people can't get enormous implants but that photo is either shopped or the girls are wearing costumes. If you look at the girl with the dark hair you can see the bean bag seams under her top.



No, it's in porn, it must be real!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on August 18, 2011, 02:33:02 AM
No, it's in porn, it must be real!

Sigged.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Cheddars Cousin on August 18, 2011, 11:55:58 AM
Yeah...logically, that's impossible.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 18, 2011, 05:05:57 PM
I need one that fits, not one that lets my boob hang out.

Quick question: what are these suppose to be?
(http://grupthinkpro.s3.amazonaws.com/grupthinklive8bd572b9a225ea47435afdb0fcd9b7d7)

I call photoshop schenanigans

You'd be wrong.

A friend of mine who collects porn (she doesn't get off to it) found this and showed it to us once. Those are their actual boobs.
No they aren't. It would be physically impossible for the skin to stretch that far. Doesn't mean people can't get enormous implants but that photo is either shopped or the girls are wearing costumes. If you look at the girl with the dark hair you can see the bean bag seams under her top.



I'm going to costumes because while they look so fake, they look somewhat real when they jiggle them around.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on August 18, 2011, 05:15:09 PM
I am assuming some sort of inflatable thing going on here......why anyone would find gross distortion, either real or fantasy, sexy. somewhat fucked up
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 18, 2011, 05:18:58 PM
I need one that fits, not one that lets my boob hang out.

Quick question: what are these suppose to be?
(http://grupthinkpro.s3.amazonaws.com/grupthinklive8bd572b9a225ea47435afdb0fcd9b7d7)

I call photoshop schenanigans

You'd be wrong.

A friend of mine who collects porn (she doesn't get off to it) found this and showed it to us once. Those are their actual boobs.
No they aren't. It would be physically impossible for the skin to stretch that far. Doesn't mean people can't get enormous implants but that photo is either shopped or the girls are wearing costumes. If you look at the girl with the dark hair you can see the bean bag seams under her top.



I'm going to costumes because while they look so fake, they look somewhat real when they jiggle them around.

You've seen them jiggling them around?

Friend who collects porn, remember?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on August 18, 2011, 05:23:51 PM
@Mockery Is your "friend" that collects porn like the "friends" I had as a teenager who always left their cigarettes/alcohol/pot in my bag/drawer/pocket?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 18, 2011, 05:37:10 PM
@Mockery Is your "friend" that collects porn like the "friends" I had as a teenager who always left their cigarettes/alcohol/pot in my bag/drawer/pocket?

No. I do have a friend who collects porn. Her name is Brittany. And there is no way I'm going to have pictures of women with deformed boobs on my computer.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on August 18, 2011, 05:42:35 PM
i collect prawns...and due to a lack of preservatives, tis far more antisocial than collecting porn
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 18, 2011, 05:44:14 PM
Yeah well Brittany finds porn hilarious and loves showing off her strange collection.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 18, 2011, 06:41:12 PM
@Mockery Is your "friend" that collects porn like the "friends" I had as a teenager who always left their cigarettes/alcohol/pot in my bag/drawer/pocket?

Hahaha.  High five.

Am I the only one who has weird friends who collect weird porn and shows their friends?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on August 18, 2011, 06:44:14 PM
@Mockery Is your "friend" that collects porn like the "friends" I had as a teenager who always left their cigarettes/alcohol/pot in my bag/drawer/pocket?

Hahaha.  High five.

Am I the only one who has weird imaginary friends who collect weird porn and shows their friends?
Fixed  ;D
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 18, 2011, 06:45:23 PM
@Mockery Is your "friend" that collects porn like the "friends" I had as a teenager who always left their cigarettes/alcohol/pot in my bag/drawer/pocket?

Hahaha.  High five.

Am I the only one who has weird imaginary friends who collect weird porn and shows their friends?
Fixed  ;D

Okay fine, I'll admit it! I'm a porn addict and I go around collecting porn so I can masturbate in the darkest room in the house!

Fuck you.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Savannah on August 18, 2011, 06:47:15 PM
@Mockery Is your "friend" that collects porn like the "friends" I had as a teenager who always left their cigarettes/alcohol/pot in my bag/drawer/pocket?

Hahaha.  High five.

Am I the only one who has weird friends who collect weird porn and shows their friends?

Well i really wonder if it's so or not. And i don't have such people around me, i wonder if it makes me a cold fish, lol.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on August 18, 2011, 06:52:33 PM
@Mockery Is your "friend" that collects porn like the "friends" I had as a teenager who always left their cigarettes/alcohol/pot in my bag/drawer/pocket?

Hahaha.  High five.

Am I the only one who has weird imaginary friends who collect weird porn and shows their friends?
Fixed  ;D

Okay fine, I'll admit it! I'm a porn addict and I go around collecting porn so I can masturbate in the darkest room in the house!

Fuck you.
I knew it  :2funny:

(you do realise that I am just kidding...)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 18, 2011, 06:53:02 PM
@Mockery Is your "friend" that collects porn like the "friends" I had as a teenager who always left their cigarettes/alcohol/pot in my bag/drawer/pocket?

Hahaha.  High five.

Am I the only one who has weird imaginary friends who collect weird porn and shows their friends?
Fixed  ;D

Okay fine, I'll admit it! I'm a porn addict and I go around collecting porn so I can masturbate in the darkest room in the house!

Fuck you.
I knew it  :2funny:

(you do realise that I am just kidding...)

It's sometimes hard to tell with you dear.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on August 18, 2011, 06:57:39 PM
@Mockery Is your "friend" that collects porn like the "friends" I had as a teenager who always left their cigarettes/alcohol/pot in my bag/drawer/pocket?

Hahaha.  High five.

Am I the only one who has weird imaginary friends who collect weird porn and shows their friends?
Fixed  ;D

Okay fine, I'll admit it! I'm a porn addict and I go around collecting porn so I can masturbate in the darkest room in the house!

Fuck you.
I knew it  :2funny:

(you do realise that I am just kidding...)

It's sometimes hard to tell with you dear.
Also I am sigging your confession. Thanks for that :)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 18, 2011, 06:59:49 PM
@Mockery Is your "friend" that collects porn like the "friends" I had as a teenager who always left their cigarettes/alcohol/pot in my bag/drawer/pocket?

Hahaha.  High five.

Am I the only one who has weird imaginary friends who collect weird porn and shows their friends?
Fixed  ;D

Okay fine, I'll admit it! I'm a porn addict and I go around collecting porn so I can masturbate in the darkest room in the house!

Fuck you.
I knew it  :2funny:

(you do realise that I am just kidding...)

It's sometimes hard to tell with you dear.
Also I am sigging your confession. Thanks for that :)

Sweet, I'm getting sigged! I feel like somebody now!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on August 18, 2011, 07:00:48 PM
Yep. Now everyone will know about your porn problem. Even if they haven't read this thread. It's great isn't it  O0
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 18, 2011, 07:02:07 PM
Yep. Now everyone will know about your porn problem. Even if they haven't read this thread. It's great isn't it  O0

I feel so happy to get all that off my chest! Now I can tell everyone about the dead bodies in the basement!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on August 18, 2011, 07:09:45 PM
@Mockery Is your "friend" that collects porn like the "friends" I had as a teenager who always left their cigarettes/alcohol/pot in my bag/drawer/pocket?

Hahaha.  High five.

Am I the only one who has weird imaginary friends who collect weird porn and shows their friends?
Fixed  ;D

Okay fine, I'll admit it! I'm a porn addict and I go around collecting porn so I can masturbate in the darkest room in the house!

Fuck you.
I knew it  :2funny:

(you do realise that I am just kidding...)

I wasn't.
"Humor has a way of revealing truth, in a manner we would otherwise... never admit." -Renetto
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on August 18, 2011, 08:35:30 PM
@Mockery Is your "friend" that collects porn like the "friends" I had as a teenager who always left their cigarettes/alcohol/pot in my bag/drawer/pocket?

Hahaha.  High five.

Am I the only one who has weird friends who collect weird porn and shows their friends?


actually, i am quite weird and i collect weird porn.  i like the stuff that is drawn and not photographed though.  i don't run around showing it to friends, however; my attention-seeking is done elsewhere.

i have several friends with way more impressive porn than me, also.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on August 19, 2011, 11:10:56 AM
@Mockery Is your "friend" that collects porn like the "friends" I had as a teenager who always left their cigarettes/alcohol/pot in my bag/drawer/pocket?

Hahaha.  High five.

Am I the only one who has weird friends who collect weird porn and shows their friends?


actually, i am quite weird and i collect weird porn.  i like the stuff that is drawn and not photographed though.  i don't run around showing it to friends, however; my attention-seeking is done elsewhere.

i have several friends with way more impressive porn than me, also.

See?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on August 19, 2011, 02:00:07 PM
i collected weird prawns once, but they got very smelly
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on August 19, 2011, 05:06:45 PM
i collected weird prawns once, but they got very smelly
Not as impressive as my pawn collection.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: tanqgirl on August 19, 2011, 11:22:47 PM
i collected weird prawns once, but they got very smelly
Not as impressive as my pawn collection.

pawns like chess? or pawns like little minions you control to take over the world?? not like...i have those...or anything....
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Agonistes on August 19, 2011, 11:28:32 PM
you need a lot of pawns to make up a pwn collection.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on September 15, 2011, 02:01:13 PM
kinda sorta on topic:    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/09/nancy-upton-on-her-american-apparel-plus-size-photo-spoof.html

...or at least related.

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on September 15, 2011, 08:44:51 PM
This is interesting.

I have a feeling that this company wasn't trying to insult anybody. The wording may have been off.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on September 15, 2011, 09:06:27 PM
kinda sorta on topic:    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/09/nancy-upton-on-her-american-apparel-plus-size-photo-spoof.html

...or at least related.

#@!
She is smoking hot. I've been following that story. I knew there was no way they were going to let her win. Also is that a heartplane tattoo on her forearm?
(http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/10012649838/1/tumblr_lra4ptBb1K1r2glt7)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on September 16, 2011, 12:25:36 AM
kinda sorta on topic:    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/09/nancy-upton-on-her-american-apparel-plus-size-photo-spoof.html

...or at least related.

#@!
American Apparel?  They're probably just casting for a fat-chick fetish porno.......

(...and I agree, the author is quite attractive.....)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on September 16, 2011, 01:05:05 AM

She is smoking hot. I've been following that story. I knew there was no way they were going to let her win. Also is that a heartplane tattoo on her forearm?
(http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/10012649838/1/tumblr_lra4ptBb1K1r2glt7)

fuck yeah she is.

 :glasses9:

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: lentower on September 16, 2011, 07:23:33 AM
^ be fun to spend time with!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on September 16, 2011, 11:33:49 AM
kinda sorta on topic:    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/09/nancy-upton-on-her-american-apparel-plus-size-photo-spoof.html

...or at least related.

#@!
She is smoking hot. I've been following that story. I knew there was no way they were going to let her win. Also is that a heartplane tattoo on her forearm?
(http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/10012649838/1/tumblr_lra4ptBb1K1r2glt7)

some of the pics from the shoot she submitted to AA. N. S. F. W.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/woman-who-made-fun-of-american-apparel-contest-win

 :coolsmiley:

#@!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on September 16, 2011, 12:08:32 PM
kinda sorta on topic:    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/09/nancy-upton-on-her-american-apparel-plus-size-photo-spoof.html

...or at least related.

#@!
She is smoking hot. I've been following that story. I knew there was no way they were going to let her win. Also is that a heartplane tattoo on her forearm?
(http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/10012649838/1/tumblr_lra4ptBb1K1r2glt7)

some of the pics from the shoot she submitted to AA. N. S. F. W.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/woman-who-made-fun-of-american-apparel-contest-win

 :coolsmiley:

#@!

I officially love this woman even more
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on September 16, 2011, 09:03:19 PM
Whoa!  :o  She's totally showin' off her pie in a couple of those pictures!!!   :o O0 ;)  :o O0 ;)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: tanqgirl on September 17, 2011, 02:27:35 PM
i read about this yesterday and i think she's awesome...and ya know what totalfrog, it does sorta look like one and i'll admit when i was reading about her yesterday i was thinking that this sounded like someone who would be a fan of the dolls/amanda and wondered if they were on the box haha

i like her pics and that she's not afraid to show of her curves and belly! but i have to admit the ranch one grosses me out a lot, just cause it's ranch (then again if it was mayo or sour cream i'd be just as grossed out)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: slyvia k on September 17, 2011, 02:50:51 PM
well compared to european standards, some of the girls in the usual american apparel pictures are already ''curvy'' and i've always liked that about them...
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Cheddars Cousin on September 17, 2011, 08:46:15 PM
i read about this yesterday and i think she's awesome...and ya know what totalfrog, it does sorta look like one and i'll admit when i was reading about her yesterday i was thinking that this sounded like someone who would be a fan of the dolls/amanda and wondered if they were on the box haha

i like her pics and that she's not afraid to show of her curves and belly! but i have to admit the ranch one grosses me out a lot, just cause it's ranch (then again if it was mayo or sour cream i'd be just as grossed out)

If it was Roquefort, I'd be all over it!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Cirque on September 18, 2011, 08:44:25 AM
The picture of her eating a packet of lays in the pool is one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
I love her so.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on September 18, 2011, 12:47:44 PM
i read about this yesterday and i think she's awesome...and ya know what totalfrog, it does sorta look like one and i'll admit when i was reading about her yesterday i was thinking that this sounded like someone who would be a fan of the dolls/amanda and wondered if they were on the box haha

i like her pics and that she's not afraid to show of her curves and belly! but i have to admit the ranch one grosses me out a lot, just cause it's ranch (then again if it was mayo or sour cream i'd be just as grossed out)

yeah - ranch is fucking disgusting. how the fuck people can put that stuff anywhere near their mouths, let alone in 'em, is beyond me.  :buck2:
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on September 18, 2011, 01:27:41 PM
i read about this yesterday and i think she's awesome...and ya know what totalfrog, it does sorta look like one and i'll admit when i was reading about her yesterday i was thinking that this sounded like someone who would be a fan of the dolls/amanda and wondered if they were on the box haha

i like her pics and that she's not afraid to show of her curves and belly! but i have to admit the ranch one grosses me out a lot, just cause it's ranch (then again if it was mayo or sour cream i'd be just as grossed out)

yeah - ranch is fucking disgusting. how the fuck people can put that stuff anywhere near their mouths, let alone in 'em, is beyond me.  :buck2:
Ya'll are missing out!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Indja on September 18, 2011, 01:31:54 PM
i read about this yesterday and i think she's awesome...and ya know what totalfrog, it does sorta look like one and i'll admit when i was reading about her yesterday i was thinking that this sounded like someone who would be a fan of the dolls/amanda and wondered if they were on the box haha

i like her pics and that she's not afraid to show of her curves and belly! but i have to admit the ranch one grosses me out a lot, just cause it's ranch (then again if it was mayo or sour cream i'd be just as grossed out)

yeah - ranch is fucking disgusting. how the fuck people can put that stuff anywhere near their mouths, let alone in 'em, is beyond me.  :buck2:
Ya'll are missing out!

All the more for us, dear heart. I like ranch on my Subway :)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on September 18, 2011, 01:34:44 PM
i read about this yesterday and i think she's awesome...and ya know what totalfrog, it does sorta look like one and i'll admit when i was reading about her yesterday i was thinking that this sounded like someone who would be a fan of the dolls/amanda and wondered if they were on the box haha

i like her pics and that she's not afraid to show of her curves and belly! but i have to admit the ranch one grosses me out a lot, just cause it's ranch (then again if it was mayo or sour cream i'd be just as grossed out)

yeah - ranch is fucking disgusting. how the fuck people can put that stuff anywhere near their mouths, let alone in 'em, is beyond me.  :buck2:
Ya'll are missing out!

All the more for us, dear heart. I like ranch on my Subway :)
I like ranch on my baked potatoes. Yummy!

I kinda though the ranch thing was kinda gross but hot at the same time. Yeah, I'm weird but Miss Nancy makes food hot.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on September 18, 2011, 01:36:57 PM
"I like ranch on my baked potatoes. Yummy!"
..this should totally be in the innuendo thread
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on September 18, 2011, 11:11:24 PM
Really?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on September 19, 2011, 12:55:41 AM
I like ranch on my Subway :)

..this should totally be in the innuendo thread
Agreed...
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on September 19, 2011, 02:38:48 PM
its a bit like saying ooh i like a squirt of oyster sauce on my dumplings
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on September 19, 2011, 07:06:42 PM
^ or saying, "you got your alfredo all over my pasta."

Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on September 20, 2011, 01:58:28 AM
American Apparel caved!     http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/fashion/2011/09/16/2011-09-16_american_apparel_reaches_out_to_nancy_upton_rejected_winner_of_plussize_model_co.html

 :headbang:
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Annebelle. on September 20, 2011, 08:20:31 AM
It totally is a heartplane logo:

(http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/09/15/159784-nancy-upton.jpg)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on September 20, 2011, 10:33:04 AM
It totally is a heartplane logo:

(http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/09/15/159784-nancy-upton.jpg)

Well how 'bout that.....



American Apparel caved!     http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/fashion/2011/09/16/2011-09-16_american_apparel_reaches_out_to_nancy_upton_rejected_winner_of_plussize_model_co.html

 :headbang:
Quote from: AmericanApparel
"It's a shame that your project attempts to discredit the positive intentions of our
challenge based on your personal distaste for our use of light-hearted language,"
Geeeeeze, even their apology has a weight-based slur in it...    ;D
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on September 20, 2011, 02:35:12 PM
American Apparel caved!     http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/fashion/2011/09/16/2011-09-16_american_apparel_reaches_out_to_nancy_upton_rejected_winner_of_plussize_model_co.html

 :headbang:

Go Nancy! I have fallen madly in love with this woman and her awesomeness.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: slyvia k on September 20, 2011, 02:58:17 PM
Upton, who labels herself a size 12

(really? i might be a bit confused with sizes.. but....12....is.....smaller?)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on September 20, 2011, 04:22:06 PM
Upton, who labels herself a size 12

(really? i might be a bit confused with sizes.. but....12....is.....smaller?)

aren't American and Euro sizings different?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CottonCandy on September 20, 2011, 07:26:06 PM
Upton, who labels herself a size 12

(really? i might be a bit confused with sizes.. but....12....is.....smaller?)

aren't American and Euro sizings different?

Well, in continental Europe 12 isn't even a size! UK and US sizes are a bit different though, a US 12 would be a UK 16, which I think she is. US size 12 is EU size 44, about.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: lentower on September 23, 2011, 08:08:44 AM
nancy upton will be interviewed on NBC's Today soon,
maybe this half hour

she's dressed
(maybe over dressed (looks like a semi-formal outfit))
classy in the microsecond promo teaser
--
they showed her amercian apparel contest photos
(the ones that are safe for work and the breakfast table)
longer
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: lentower on September 23, 2011, 08:20:55 AM
nancy upton will be interviewed on NBC's Today soon,
maybe this half hour

she's dressed
(maybe over dressed (looks like a semi-formal outfit))
classy in the microsecond promo teaser
--
they showed her amercian apparel contest photos
(the ones that are safe for work and the breakfast table)
longer

happy, talented, fun, smart lady

just a wee bit overdressed,
but she rocked the outfit and the interview

couldn't clearly see the arm tatoo

was thinking she and amanda were in miles of one another
(unless a is jetsetting elsewhere this morn ; - )
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on September 23, 2011, 01:03:08 PM
Lent, where are the links!?!?!?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on September 23, 2011, 01:12:31 PM
http://thelook.today.com/_news/2011/09/15/7781673-american-apparels-plus-size-contest-winner-is-minus-prizes

 :glasses9:

update: just watched it - she fucking rocks.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Dejah Thoris on September 23, 2011, 02:46:10 PM
nancy upton will be interviewed on NBC's Today
was thinking she and amanda were in miles of one another
(unless a is jetsetting elsewhere this morn ; - )

OMG, I was thinking the same thing!

And I'm thinking of like all kinds of parodies they could come up with about companies (e.g. American Apparel; Roadrunner) that look down on plus-size chicks.

Maybe Neil could get involved too! 






Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: The Angel Raliel on September 23, 2011, 02:50:27 PM
I assume someone HAS tweeted this all to Amanda and Neil have they not?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: lentower on September 23, 2011, 05:15:40 PM
Lent, where are the links!?!?!?

they weren't up yet, when i was last on line

it can take a tv show a few hours to days
to put footage up

thanx to the imaginary f-ly h.h. c.t.b.
for getting the link up so quick
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Amanda Palmer on September 23, 2011, 06:07:07 PM
just watched the footage. she seems super fucking cool and smart.

SCORE ONE FOR THE HOMETEAM.

i love the fucking pictures.
BAM.

we should invite her to be the model for the new merch page this spring.....

thanks len for the heads up on this thread!!!!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: lentower on September 23, 2011, 10:05:03 PM
from
http://twitter.com/#!/amandapalmer/status/117364248241373184 (http://twitter.com/#!/amandapalmer/status/117364248241373184)

rad news: comrade @nancyupton (w/ a
huge dresden dolls heartplane tattoo) VS
american apparel w/ a strange twist:
huff.to/NancyUpton (http://huff.to/NancyUpton)


at the end,
links to older articles about this on huff post,
as well as to upton's twitter
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on September 24, 2011, 02:30:51 PM
just watched the footage. she seems super fucking cool and smart.

SCORE ONE FOR THE HOMETEAM.

i love the fucking pictures.
BAM.

we should invite her to be the model for the new merch page this spring.....

thanks len for the heads up on this thread!!!!

Shouldn't I be thanked for starting the thread?

Make her a model! Please, please, please make her a model!!!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: CeeGBee on September 24, 2011, 11:48:36 PM
The whole thing sounds like a set-up publicity stunt to me.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: lentower on September 25, 2011, 02:15:40 AM
The whole thing sounds like a set-up publicity stunt to me.

we'll see in time ...
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on September 25, 2011, 06:52:59 PM
The whole thing sounds like a set-up publicity stunt to me.
Kill my boner why don't ya?
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on September 25, 2011, 07:06:37 PM
The whole thing sounds like a set-up publicity stunt to me.
I was believing it until the email that AA apparently sent her saying that she had won but not won. I can't believe a company would make something like that public on purpose. It is all working out a little bit to perfectly.

The photos are still hot though. No denying that.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: lentower on September 27, 2011, 12:39:10 AM
another article with a TV interview of Nancy Upton

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/shows/newyorklive/Big_and_Beautiful_New_York-130446383.html (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/shows/newyorklive/Big_and_Beautiful_New_York-130446383.html)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on August 27, 2012, 08:31:00 PM
http://blisstree.com/look/skinny-doesnt-sell-so-disturbing-trend-has-models-airbrushed-to-look-fatter-592/#ixzz24lBjLMCu


???
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Blue Canary on September 09, 2012, 01:03:38 AM
http://blisstree.com/look/skinny-doesnt-sell-so-disturbing-trend-has-models-airbrushed-to-look-fatter-592/#ixzz24lBjLMCu


???

Nobody can win.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on September 09, 2012, 08:16:57 PM
http://blisstree.com/look/skinny-doesnt-sell-so-disturbing-trend-has-models-airbrushed-to-look-fatter-592/#ixzz24lBjLMCu


???

Nobody can win.

it's fucking ridiculous. they can't find a suitably hott curvy girl? I've managed to find plenty.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on September 12, 2012, 07:34:07 PM
http://blisstree.com/look/skinny-doesnt-sell-so-disturbing-trend-has-models-airbrushed-to-look-fatter-592/#ixzz24lBjLMCu


???

Nobody can win.

it's fucking ridiculous. they can't find a suitably hott curvy girl? I've managed to find plenty.
They're looking in the wrong places
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on September 27, 2012, 11:31:56 PM
Karlie Kloss, both post- and pre-Photoshop:

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/180fnz7s3mb63jpg/original.jpg)

The magazine 'shopped her ribs out, which has angered the photographer a great deal. No idea how Karlie feels about it, though.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Miss Sahara on October 03, 2012, 02:37:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/rUOpqd0rQSo
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on October 03, 2012, 03:37:48 PM
that was great...but I'm not sure if the guy who wrote her was a bully or just some ignorant fuck who really thought he was being helpful.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Miss Sahara on October 03, 2012, 04:27:46 PM
ah thanks for embedding!

yeah, she didn't actually respond to the topic of obesity and why what he was doing was idiotic (apart from being offensive)
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Tiervexx on October 04, 2012, 07:21:55 PM
that was great...but I'm not sure if the guy who wrote her was a bully or just some ignorant fuck who really thought he was being helpful.

I find it hard to believe very many people think they inform people they are fat as a public service.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Reptile on October 04, 2012, 08:12:47 PM
in terms of being a role model, surely teaching kids to be accepting is better than teaching them they must be skinny. I don't know who she is but I like her.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: imaginary friend on October 05, 2012, 07:40:53 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/fashion/just-dont-call-her-fullfigured-20121004-270m2.html#ixzz28QhqwwAi
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Astica on October 06, 2012, 07:27:56 AM
Karlie Kloss, both post- and pre-Photoshop:

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/180fnz7s3mb63jpg/original.jpg)

The magazine 'shopped her ribs out, which has angered the photographer a great deal. No idea how Karlie feels about it, though.
That's really poor photoshopping. That would anger me if I were the photographer, too.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Mockery on October 06, 2012, 09:00:30 PM
That woman is awesome. She didn't cry, she didn't complain, she told the bully off
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: sangrebloom on October 06, 2012, 11:41:56 PM
Dear me... the ribs on that woman are a thing of impossible envy.  I think I can see the organs working. :o
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: N.U. on October 09, 2012, 12:12:50 PM
Well, looks like I'm one set of big boobs and a tiny waist shy of meeting the thread standard of beauty.  :D
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: sangrebloom on October 09, 2012, 04:04:41 PM
you know, I've always thought rib removal was totally acceptable form of body shaping!  Shit would get real and it would get there fast if I could afford it!
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: N.U. on October 09, 2012, 04:34:58 PM
I'd only ever heard of rib removal as a part of the "top surgery" for transsexuals.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Rose on October 09, 2012, 11:35:27 PM
Speaking of creepy surgeries you shouldn't get to make yourself beautiful - I have a friend (or two) who are very unhappy with the height they're at and have toyed with the idea of going to Korea (I think) and getting surgery to be taller. Apparently, they basically break your shins and then stick metal rods in there to help expand or some such... it's dangerous.
And another of my friends, back when he hated being asian (I think he still dislikes it, but he likes himself a bit more now, at least) wanted to go to Brazil (I think, or some other latin speaking country) and get his eye color permanently changed. Which is also terribly dangerous.

I don't think any of them have mentioned getting their ribs removed yet, at least.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: sangrebloom on October 09, 2012, 11:59:09 PM
Geez!  I don't think I dislike myself that much, I was joking about rib removal by the way, I'm awesome the way I am.
Title: Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
Post by: Rose on October 10, 2012, 12:07:29 AM
Geez!  I don't think I dislike myself that much, I was joking about rib removal by the way, I'm awesome the way I am.
Oh, I know you were joking! It just reminded me.. yeah, my friends have/had problems with their body images... and I'm sure there's worse surgeries out there that I haven't heard of.
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Post by: Miranda. on October 10, 2012, 10:01:21 AM
It's a big thing in Korea to do eyelid surgery. They have lovely hooded eyes but many people have their lids altered like so:

(http://abagond.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/beforeafter31.jpg?w=500)

That is jut a pic I got from google images so I'm not sure its really even the same person but that's the gist of it anyway.
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Post by: N.U. on October 10, 2012, 10:18:08 AM
Geez!  I don't think I dislike myself that much, I was joking about rib removal by the way, I'm awesome the way I am.
Oh, I know you were joking! It just reminded me.. yeah, my friends have/had problems with their body images... and I'm sure there's worse surgeries out there that I haven't heard of.

There's the skin bleaching fad in India that has caught on.
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Post by: Rose on October 10, 2012, 07:44:59 PM
Geez!  I don't think I dislike myself that much, I was joking about rib removal by the way, I'm awesome the way I am.
Oh, I know you were joking! It just reminded me.. yeah, my friends have/had problems with their body images... and I'm sure there's worse surgeries out there that I haven't heard of.

There's the skin bleaching fad in India that has caught on.
That sounds dangerous, too. I don't really the mindset behind any plastic surgery. It's not worth it, on sooo many levels.
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Post by: Indja on October 10, 2012, 07:47:36 PM
Geez!  I don't think I dislike myself that much, I was joking about rib removal by the way, I'm awesome the way I am.
Oh, I know you were joking! It just reminded me.. yeah, my friends have/had problems with their body images... and I'm sure there's worse surgeries out there that I haven't heard of.

There's the skin bleaching fad in India that has caught on.
That sounds dangerous, too. I don't really the mindset behind any plastic surgery. It's not worth it, on sooo many levels.

I don't have a problem with plastic surgery in principle, but it just seems like there are so many easier, cheaper ways to deal with one's body issues xD
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Post by: sangrebloom on October 10, 2012, 11:22:03 PM
I was abusive with sunblock for a few years, I was milky white because of it.  i still don't tan right/ever.
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Post by: Rose on October 10, 2012, 11:57:47 PM
I was abusive with sunblock for a few years, I was milky white because of it.  i still don't tan right/ever.
I can't tan intentionally, and I usually just burn... I should probably get abusive with sunblock. Sunblock is good for you, I think that maybe you can't be too abusive with it. It keeps you from getting skin cancer (not really, but, whatever).
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Post by: sangrebloom on October 11, 2012, 02:26:43 AM
haha  :)I was putting it on at night, some brands of sunblock do bleach skin. 
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Post by: Rose on October 11, 2012, 10:22:10 AM
Do they really? How? ..And why were you putting it on at night?
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Post by: N.U. on October 11, 2012, 01:38:10 PM
Do they really? How? ..And why were you putting it on at night?

To sleep while it was soaking in, or those Moonbeams were particularly harsh that day.

Didn't know that it bleached skin, though. I, too, think about getting some sun and immediately burn.
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Post by: sangrebloom on October 11, 2012, 02:55:40 PM
I dunno I was fifteen and really into The Cure!  I was already pale to begin with, so using it all the time just made be get paler and paler.  I didn't much like going outside and did a lot of walking around / trouncing around dry river beds at night.  It was a cheap brand too, and it even had a warning "may cause skin to discolor"   

I burn really bad in the sun, so doing all of that made sense to me at the time.  I've gotten blisters from getting caught without sun block or a jacket. that's a large amount of suck.
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Post by: N.U. on October 11, 2012, 03:25:05 PM
I blistered the tops of my feet. I know how suck it is.
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Post by: buttercup. on October 11, 2012, 04:44:47 PM
I was abusive with sunblock for a few years, I was milky white because of it.  i still don't tan right/ever.
I can't tan intentionally, and I usually just burn... I should probably get abusive with sunblock. Sunblock is good for you, I think that maybe you can't be too abusive with it. It keeps you from getting skin cancer (not really, but, whatever).

It really isn't.  (http://www.naturalnews.com/021927_sunscreen_medical_myths.html)
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Post by: sangrebloom on October 11, 2012, 06:15:00 PM
joy of joys! I really was doing more harm than good!  ;D
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Post by: N.U. on October 11, 2012, 06:20:52 PM
Yikes! Some have additives that act just like estrogen (oestrogen for those who speak Queen).
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Post by: Rose on October 11, 2012, 07:49:08 PM
..So what'm I supposed to use instead of sunscreen, then? I hated it already because it's greasy and thick and disgusting.. and now it can give me cancer. Are there natural forms of sunblock? Aside from lots of antioxidants, which I actually get (and I'm still pale, so I'll still burn crazy easy and deep).
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Post by: Pope Totalfrog on October 11, 2012, 08:40:10 PM
..So what'm I supposed to use instead of sunscreen, then? I hated it already because it's greasy and thick and disgusting.. and now it can give me cancer. Are there natural forms of sunblock? Aside from lots of antioxidants, which I actually get (and I'm still pale, so I'll still burn crazy easy and deep).
I use invisible zinc, it's thick and hard to rub in but it works brilliantly. I'm part ginger so I burn on a cloudy day in winter.
My dad's cousin has melanoma. It's horrible and will probably end up killing him. So I'd rather take the extremely minute risk that there might be something in my sunblock that could possibly cause cancer over the huge risk of being burnt and getting cancer.
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Post by: Rose on October 11, 2012, 08:46:04 PM
..So what'm I supposed to use instead of sunscreen, then? I hated it already because it's greasy and thick and disgusting.. and now it can give me cancer. Are there natural forms of sunblock? Aside from lots of antioxidants, which I actually get (and I'm still pale, so I'll still burn crazy easy and deep).
I use invisible zinc, it's thick and hard to rub in but it works brilliantly. I'm part ginger so I burn on a cloudy day in winter.
My dad's cousin has melanoma. It's horrible and will probably end up killing him. So I'd rather take the extremely minute risk that there might be something in my sunblock that could possibly cause cancer over the huge risk of being burnt and getting cancer.
I don't need to use sunblock the majority of the time anyway, since I'm not outside long enough to burn. I'm pale, but I'm not pale like you are. So when I do go outside for a long time I will probably still use sunblock. But I'm going to tell a friend of mine about the zinc - she's pale as hell, and she's allergic to most sunscreen, lotions, and soaps (in varying degrees). So that'd certainly be a nice alternative to breaking out in a rash.
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Post by: CeeGBee on October 12, 2012, 12:09:12 AM
..So what'm I supposed to use instead of sunscreen, then?
...light-colored, loose-fitting clothes, and a hat.....

Parasols are also very fashion-forward.
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Post by: Miranda. on October 12, 2012, 10:33:01 AM
You can always go with the Chinese.

(http://timenewsfeed.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/513173453.jpg?w=576)
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Post by: buttercup. on October 12, 2012, 11:41:30 AM
I just wear long sleeved light shirts and minimize my sun exposure. I've never liked sun screen, and now I have an excuse.
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Post by: N.U. on October 12, 2012, 12:26:02 PM
I'm all about the hats, baby! Cowboy, fez, renaissance, baseball, cat in the hat, Jager... I loves me some hats.
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Post by: buttercup. on October 12, 2012, 01:20:17 PM
I hated hats for a long time, and I can't where a hat at home for very long with out getting kind of headachey. But I have a favourite straw hat and a favourite patchwork hat and a winter hat. So that works.
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Post by: Indja on October 12, 2012, 06:24:23 PM
I hated hats for a long time, and I can't where a hat at home for very long with out getting kind of headachey. But I have a favourite straw hat and a favourite patchwork hat and a winter hat. So that works.

Buy a bobble hat!! Completely useless for the problem we're dealing with here, but you would look totally adorable ;)
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Post by: CeeGBee on October 12, 2012, 08:20:46 PM
I hated hats for a long time, and I can't where a hat at home for very long with out getting kind of headachey. But I have a favourite straw hat and a favourite patchwork hat and a winter hat. So that works.
I see two good options for you....

1. (http://www.unitedmask.com/Hats/images/coolie_hat_bamboo.jpg)
(It's bamboo, and I have no idea who the person is, it's straight out of a catalog.)

2. (http://preview.turbosquid.com/Preview/Content_2010_06_18__23_33_23/Helmet_01.bmp19a97fff-6221-4512-b3c5-f29272480e56Large%5B1%5D.jpg73b74e40-6221-4f46-b2a9-cd2a98b6994aLarger.jpg)
Any questions there?
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Post by: Indja on October 13, 2012, 03:41:01 AM
^Oh, I dunno. This is always an option:

(http://walyou.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Viking-Stormtrooper-Helmet.jpg)
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Post by: sangrebloom on October 13, 2012, 11:17:48 AM
Is that blood in that chainmail? Sexy really.

(http://www.elvenforge.com/images/helm_PC-2082.jpg)

Simulating getting a righteous sunburn!
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Post by: absynth aura on October 13, 2012, 04:25:18 PM
I hated hats for a long time, and I can't where a hat at home for very long with out getting kind of headachey. But I have a favourite straw hat and a favourite patchwork hat and a winter hat. So that works.
I see two good options for you....

1. (http://www.unitedmask.com/Hats/images/coolie_hat_bamboo.jpg)

I have a rice hat! My parents brought me one back from Vietnam
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Post by: imaginary friend on October 13, 2012, 06:19:40 PM
how does the 'Box feel about weightlifter Samantha Wright?

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18225kt92x9mujpg/original.jpg)

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Post by: absynth aura on October 13, 2012, 06:35:02 PM
I think she has an incredible body
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Post by: sangrebloom on October 14, 2012, 12:17:19 AM
She's stunning! and could probably kill me, danger me likey
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Post by: Rose on October 14, 2012, 01:17:48 AM
..So what'm I supposed to use instead of sunscreen, then?
...light-colored, loose-fitting clothes, and a hat.....

Parasols are also very fashion-forward.
That's what my Mom said. I have a parasol. But they're kind of awkward, and I have the tendency to carry a ton of things around, so a parasol would cause problems..
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Post by: Rose on October 14, 2012, 01:19:48 AM
how does the 'Box feel about weightlifter Samantha Wright?

She looks quite pretty, from those pics.. And strong girls are always hot.
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Post by: Reptile on October 14, 2012, 09:36:21 AM
Female weightlifters always have my admiration. It takes guts to dedicate yourself to something that many people will mock you for.
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Post by: imaginary friend on October 14, 2012, 10:51:56 AM
how does the 'Box feel about weightlifter Samantha Wright?

She looks quite pretty, from those pics.. And strong girls are always hot.

here she is in action:

http://www.youtube.com/v/hpCbpyVYqnM
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Post by: Rose on October 14, 2012, 01:55:39 PM
how does the 'Box feel about weightlifter Samantha Wright?

She looks quite pretty, from those pics.. And strong girls are always hot.

here she is in action:


She has like, the most adorable facial expressions ever.
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Post by: imaginary friend on October 14, 2012, 02:13:22 PM
she's 5'2", so she's like Super Pixie.  :glasses9:
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Post by: Rose on October 14, 2012, 02:17:09 PM
she's 5'2", so she's like Super Pixie.  :glasses9:
I think she's possibly the cutest thing ever. Which makes the fact that she's super strong  a weird dichotomy.
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Post by: Mockery on October 14, 2012, 08:39:39 PM
Speaking of creepy surgeries you shouldn't get to make yourself beautiful - I have a friend (or two) who are very unhappy with the height they're at and have toyed with the idea of going to Korea (I think) and getting surgery to be taller. Apparently, they basically break your shins and then stick metal rods in there to help expand or some such... it's dangerous.
And another of my friends, back when he hated being asian (I think he still dislikes it, but he likes himself a bit more now, at least) wanted to go to Brazil (I think, or some other latin speaking country) and get his eye color permanently changed. Which is also terribly dangerous.

I don't think any of them have mentioned getting their ribs removed yet, at least.
Ouch. I mean I understand wanting to be beautiful but there has to be a limit
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Post by: CeeGBee on October 14, 2012, 10:26:45 PM
how does the 'Box feel about weightlifter Samantha Wright?

She looks quite pretty, from those pics.. And strong girls are always hot.

here she is in action:

http://www.youtube.com/v/hpCbpyVYqnM

I'm not the least bit intimidated by a girl who could lift me over her head...
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Post by: Rose on October 14, 2012, 11:44:07 PM
Speaking of creepy surgeries you shouldn't get to make yourself beautiful - I have a friend (or two) who are very unhappy with the height they're at and have toyed with the idea of going to Korea (I think) and getting surgery to be taller. Apparently, they basically break your shins and then stick metal rods in there to help expand or some such... it's dangerous.
And another of my friends, back when he hated being asian (I think he still dislikes it, but he likes himself a bit more now, at least) wanted to go to Brazil (I think, or some other latin speaking country) and get his eye color permanently changed. Which is also terribly dangerous.

I don't think any of them have mentioned getting their ribs removed yet, at least.
Ouch. I mean I understand wanting to be beautiful but there has to be a limit
Yeah. At some point you have to step back, and look at yourself realistically and realize there's no feasible way you'll ever be six feet tall and ninety pounds or whatever... and then you have to start loving, or at least liking, your body for what it is. And you have to start working within the limits of what your body can do. But I think a ton of people are just permanently wrapped up in the standard of beauty, and have a really difficult time getting past it. No matter how much I try to coach them or nag them (I'm a really annoying, loving friend).
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Post by: CeeGBee on October 15, 2012, 01:18:54 AM
Oh also, have you SEEN the hardware involved in that bone-breaking process?!?  :o

Basically, it involves an external pin, like they'd use to stabilise any ol' broken long-bone, but
it's got a screw mechanism so they can extend it every couple of days while the broken ends
of the bone try to grow back together.  I'm pretty sure even Dick Cheney admits it's torture.
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Post by: Rose on October 15, 2012, 11:11:01 PM
Oh god. That sounds sooo awful. Ickkk. It's amazing and crazy and horrid that people do that to themselves. That reminds me of when I was like, 11, and I had to get one of those expanders in my mouth because my orthodonist was a sadist (or possibly because my parents were paying him to make my mouth look nice and be functional). And my Mom had to twist it with this little key to 'expand' and slowly push my mouth or teeth or something apart, and it was terrible. It would be sooo much more horrific to have that concept applied to your bones.
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Post by: N.U. on October 16, 2012, 05:45:43 PM
Yeah it is serious surgery. We're talking months and months post-surgery until completion. Basically the surgery is just to break the bones and put in the pins. The actual work is done afterwards slowly turning a screw, lengthening the external rod.
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Post by: sangrebloom on October 16, 2012, 06:28:56 PM
Oh dear god, I think that just broke my brain.
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Post by: Rose on October 17, 2012, 12:20:45 AM
Oh dear god, I think that just broke my brain.
QFT. Ugh. I get all tingly in a bad way when I think about it.
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Post by: sangrebloom on October 17, 2012, 03:48:47 PM
agreed.  Kinda hits me in the feels too.  They feel that badly/strongly about being a little taller... :'(
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Post by: imaginary friend on October 17, 2012, 04:03:05 PM
somewhere out there, there's a pic or two of Weezer leader Rivers Cuomo with the leg-stretching rig; he had it done to one of his legs after the Pinkerton tour ended.
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Post by: Mockery on October 17, 2012, 10:14:35 PM
agreed.  Kinda hits me in the feels too.  They feel that badly/strongly about being a little taller... :'(

You know how you get a few inches taller? Heels
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Post by: CeeGBee on October 18, 2012, 01:06:33 AM
somewhere out there, there's a pic or two of Weezer leader Rivers Cuomo with the leg-stretching rig;
he had it done to one of his legs after the Pinkerton tour ended.
I could see, maybe, if you had one leg A LITTLE shorter than the other, enduring the
agony for a relatively short time in exchange for a real practical benefit, ,but just to
make yerself taller?  No way.
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Post by: sangrebloom on October 18, 2012, 01:33:26 AM
I can see that sort of real medical reason for that!  I know a woman that was stricken with polio, one of her legs never grew to the same length as the other, she always had special shoes, crutches, braces, you name it.  I never saw her as any different though, I grew up with her like that.  I don't think she could get a surgery like that though. 
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Post by: imaginary friend on October 18, 2012, 09:03:07 AM
somewhere out there, there's a pic or two of Weezer leader Rivers Cuomo with the leg-stretching rig;
he had it done to one of his legs after the Pinkerton tour ended.
I could see, maybe, if you had one leg A LITTLE shorter than the other, enduring the
agony for a relatively short time in exchange for a real practical benefit, ,but just to
make yerself taller?  No way.

that was indeed the case; one of Rivers' legs was noticeably shorter than the other.
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Post by: sangrebloom on October 18, 2012, 03:49:37 PM
poor guy,  that's not so much vanity as much as it is to correct a problem.  The reason for the special shoes is so you don't put so much strain on you hips and back.
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Post by: Astica on October 19, 2012, 05:10:24 AM
Yeah, being uneven like that would cause a bunch of other legitimate medical problems.
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Post by: imaginary friend on April 12, 2013, 12:18:11 AM
I was going to drop this link in Fashion Do's, but I think it's more fitting here:   http://www.refinery29.com/2013/04/45395/debenhams-diversity-summer-lookbook-photos-april-2013