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Title: Learning Other Languages
Post by: colordeaf on July 03, 2008, 02:39:43 PM
I am taking Japanese in summer school. My...parental units slightly disapprove of it ("you're not Japanese"), probably for political reasons. But isn't that the point of learning a "foreign" language? Trying something new?

Well, it would have been more practical to learn Spanish, but I opted out because practically every high school teaches it.

My high school only has French and Spanish. I took French I and will take French II next year. Any thoughts on this selection? My old one had Chinese, Italian, Korean, & Japanese on top of that. Maybe they had a German class but I'm not sure. My parents would have wanted me to take the Chinese class, but I'm a "native speaker" on the records and wanted the foreign language credit.

Then I learned that in France, children learn english from an early age. Shucks. Then I'm behind in multilingualism.

Discuss: Your opinion of teaching languages other than the one most accepted in your country to underage students, and why people learn what they do.

Oh, and those schoolboy Spanish/French threads.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: imaginary friend on July 03, 2008, 02:44:15 PM
You should've called this the LOL thread. :D

jdfu!
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: colordeaf on July 03, 2008, 02:45:28 PM
You should've called this the LOL thread. :D

jdfu!

sh!rt, what now?
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: yosmark on July 03, 2008, 08:11:23 PM
I was supposed to learn german but ... i am too fucking lazy  :) i knew this girl, this hot girl who talked camboyan and damn it was a hard language to learn, she said she had been studing it for almost 3 years and that she talks like a little kid.

I don´t know how hard would japanese be but good luck.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Zephyr on July 04, 2008, 08:56:23 AM
Well, my opinion is obviously going to be pretty biased. I live in Belgium, and we have 3 official languages.
The only one I speak fluently is dutch though. I only know a tiny bit of french and german.
Language fascinates me though. That's why I want to get better at writing and speaking both french and german, and then I'd like to learn another one (possibly spanish).
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: The Angel Raliel on July 04, 2008, 09:05:07 AM
As a native Englishman, I am naturally bi lingual and can communicate with any nationality..... I speak english, and I speak
L O U D E R     S L O W E R    E N G L I S H !
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Kenny Wisdom on July 04, 2008, 10:35:20 AM
^HA - HA - HA

and now in Dutch

^HI - HI - HI
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: fishbulb on July 04, 2008, 10:42:23 AM
Nono, we do hihihi AND hahaha!
Hows THAT for multilingual?
Proof: kiddie song.

Ik zag twee beren
Broodjes smeren.
O, dat was een wonder!
't Was een wonder boven wonder,
Dat die beren smeren konden.
Hihihi, hahaha,
Ik stond erbij en ik keek ernaar.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Kenny Wisdom on July 04, 2008, 11:14:07 AM
Ik zag twee beren

My ladycake is dry & barren

Broodjes smeren.

I need some boystuff smearing

O, dat was een wonder!

OOOh, what is that I wonder?

't Was een wonder boven wonder,

Is that a gun in your pocket, I wonder!

Dat die beren smeren konden.

The salty rain falls upon my desert!

Hihihi, hahaha,

hahaha, hahaha

Ik stond erbij en ik keek ernaar

I stand here ecstatically happy!

***

I love being good at languages.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: CeeGBee on July 04, 2008, 11:29:27 AM
Kenny Wisdom, cunning linguist...
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: fishbulb on July 04, 2008, 05:56:42 PM
Ik zag twee beren

My ladycake is dry & barren

Broodjes smeren.

I need some boystuff smearing

O, dat was een wonder!

OOOh, what is that I wonder?

't Was een wonder boven wonder,

Is that a gun in your pocket, I wonder!

Dat die beren smeren konden.

The salty rain falls upon my desert!

Hihihi, hahaha,

hahaha, hahaha

Ik stond erbij en ik keek ernaar

I stand here ecstatically happy!

***

I love being good at languages.

It's Multilingual Man!

http://multilingualman.com/ (http://multilingualman.com/)
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: shibby on July 04, 2008, 06:35:07 PM
I wish kids (in the US) learned languages in elementary school instead of history. Any history they teach you, you have to re-learn in high school because it's mostly lies and bullcrap. =)
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: tw2113 on July 04, 2008, 08:48:43 PM
I still desire to learn american sign language
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: yosmark on July 04, 2008, 08:56:27 PM
^HA - HA - HA

and now in Dutch

^HI - HI - HI


Spanish:

JA - JA - JA
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: $ethie on July 05, 2008, 06:06:17 AM
Well, my opinion is obviously going to be pretty biased. I live in Belgium, and we have 3 official languages.
The only one I speak fluently is dutch though. I only know a tiny bit of french and german.
Language fascinates me though. That's why I want to get better at writing and speaking both french and german, and then I'd like to learn another one (possibly spanish).

You can settle this for me. Why do you guys say septante (the logical choice, given the rest of the numbers) instead of soixante-dix? Way back when we were learning numbers, (for that matter, way back when I was still a student) my professor told us in Belgium they say septante, but couldn't tell us why.

Personally, it'd make more sense if it went dix vingt trente quarante cinquante soixante septante huitante neuftante (or neufante) cent. But then again, I'm mildly drunk, so just ignore that.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Zephyr on July 05, 2008, 08:29:06 AM
I think it's just one of those differences that's just there... like the many small differences between US and UK english.
90 is also called 'nonante' here, instead of... what? quatre-vingt-dix?
We do say 'quatre-vingts' though (but I think there are other countries where they say huitante, maybe in Switzerland?)



(keep in mind that I'm not a native speaker. I learned it in school.)
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: colordeaf on July 06, 2008, 02:26:17 AM
The soixante-dix thing in French is very annoying and illogical. I much prefer septante. It would make it easier when the French teacher names page numbers in French.

I also live in the US and prefer several British spellings from my brief time in Canada, hahaha. Blame Neopets for spelling them this way too:

grey, colour, favourite, washroom, vapour, defence, offence....
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: The Angel Raliel on July 06, 2008, 04:04:43 AM
I got thoroughly annoyed by an Americanism on the side of a London Bus recently....
Centre is not spelt center! ( from "Journey to the CENTER of the Earth" )
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: colordeaf on July 06, 2008, 12:19:06 PM
I got thoroughly annoyed by an Americanism on the side of a London Bus recently....
Centre is not spelt center! ( from "Journey to the CENTER of the Earth" )

The -er spelling is very inelegant. They change the spellings when importing British books to the US, I imagine.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: CeeGBee on July 06, 2008, 12:24:33 PM
I got thoroughly annoyed by an Americanism on the side of a London Bus recently....
Centre is not spelt center! ( from "Journey to the CENTER of the Earth" )
The -er spelling is very inelegant. They change the spellings when importing British books to the US, I imagine.
I think it's symptomatic of a fundamental assumption that Americans are dumb... that we wouldn't be able to
grasp such advanced linguistic concepts as:
...the U in [colour, flavour, armour &c.]  is silent...
...the E is pronounced as if it came before the R in words like centre...
...The Philosopher's Stone just sounds much cooler (and has far more established significance) than "The Sorceror's Stone".
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: colordeaf on July 06, 2008, 12:52:07 PM
...The Philosopher's Stone just sounds much cooler (and has far more established significance) than "The Sorceror's Stone".

Agreed. Although I do prefer the American cover art for the Harry Potter books.

Viz media used "philosopher's stone" in the English translation of Fullmetal Alchemist (a Japanese series, ahaha), and I see the same preteen/teen demographic reading it. And little kids watched it on Adult Swim on Cartoon Network, whoops.
"American intelligence" is also the reason 4kids fails at dubbing foreign series. They replace all the original music because "American kids don't have the attention span for moments of silence" and other things that seem completely uneccesary. Then Naruto becomes and hit with tv-watching American children and they keep most of the plot/music/character names intact. Eh?

Back to the subject of foreign languages. I find that many other scripts have more aesthetic appeal than this Roman one. Arabic for example is very pretty. Part of the reason Japanese packaging looks so good is also because of the writing system. It has squiggles and curves that can be stylized to attract children who want candy and kittens and dolphins who promote cannabalism. However, over here we only get comic sans MS font. I hate that font.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Molotovna on July 07, 2008, 07:46:29 AM
I got thoroughly annoyed by an Americanism on the side of a London Bus recently....
Centre is not spelt center! ( from "Journey to the CENTER of the Earth" )
The -er spelling is very inelegant. They change the spellings when importing British books to the US, I imagine.
I think it's symptomatic of a fundamental assumption that Americans are dumb... that we wouldn't be able to
grasp such advanced linguistic concepts as:
...the U in [colour, flavour, armour &c.]  is silent...
...the E is pronounced as if it came before the R in words like centre...
...The Philosopher's Stone just sounds much cooler (and has far more established significance) than "The Sorceror's Stone".

The added 'u' and the 're' seem very French, and I was under the impression that the English still hated the French.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: The Angel Raliel on July 07, 2008, 01:25:10 PM
the U and the RE are not added, they were removed by the americans for some reason, also bear in mind that most proper english has French and saxon as its parent languages ( with a smattering of latin and other germanic languages thrown in ), this mix has been around since the 11th century
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: dangerpants on July 07, 2008, 01:46:19 PM
they were removed by the americans for some reason

Some man named Webster was really bitter, and he said we needed to sever our ties with the english we needed to change our accent and spelling. It's weird that we rebelled in these little ways (coffee vs. tea, re vs er) before and after our independence... like teenagers.  :D
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Molotovna on July 07, 2008, 02:26:35 PM
the U and the RE are not added, they were removed by the americans for some reason, also bear in mind that most proper english has French and saxon as its parent languages ( with a smattering of latin and other germanic languages thrown in ), this mix has been around since the 11th century

This I know, I was just trying to be ridiculous.

Also, I think words just plain look better with an 're' rather than 'er'. Oh, well.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Katherine May Williams on July 08, 2008, 08:58:15 AM
I wish there had been a wider variety of language options available at my school. English and French were compulsary, beyond that.. nothing. Not even German or Spanish. Stupid really since there were so many bilingual kids and first generation immigrants at the school.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Molotovna on July 08, 2008, 11:04:18 AM
I wish there had been a wider variety of language options available at my school. English and French were compulsary, beyond that.. nothing. Not even German or Spanish. Stupid really since there were so many bilingual kids and first generation immigrants at the school.

We had only German and Spanish at my high school.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Katherine May Williams on July 08, 2008, 12:08:26 PM
I wish there had been a wider variety of language options available at my school. English and French were compulsary, beyond that.. nothing. Not even German or Spanish. Stupid really since there were so many bilingual kids and first generation immigrants at the school.

We had only German and Spanish at my high school.

Depends on the school, I suppose. "Better" schools, more options. My school was shit and I hated it. My friend went to a posh private school where English, French, German, Latin and Greek were all compulsory, plus she had options to study Spanish and Italian. (AND she went to Chinese school on Saturdays to learn Mandarin (she could already speak Cantonese, since her parents were from Hong Kong.) I'd say something like "I don't know how she kept it all in her head" but, frankly, she was (and is) a bit of a genius, so.. she probably could've learned a dozen more languages and sung opera in each of them.

Personally, I'd love to be fluent in Russian. And British Sign Language. I've taught myself the basics of both, but I doubt I could hold a decent conversation in either.

Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Half Mar on July 17, 2008, 05:00:33 PM
My native language is Dutch. I can speak a little German, since we had some German kids her during the summer holidays a few years ago. English isn't a big problem for me. I'd love to learn Spanish... maybe someday.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Street Magic on July 24, 2008, 05:22:35 PM
I've been taking French in school for two years and my goal is to be fluent enough to be able to live (at least) a year in France.

And I'm going to be literally the only guy in my French class next year, out of all the juniors AND seniors (few enough kids take III and IV that they smoosh those classes together). And last year the only other guy in the class was this guy who had just moved here from like Kansas or something. And he was really hot but he was a senior which made me sad and now he's gone.

French is a sexy language.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: roboticvampire on August 09, 2008, 07:14:52 PM
French is very annoying and illogical.
I simplified it for you.

Americans are doing everyone a disservice by not teaching languages at a younger age.  Ignoring the economic benefits of being a polyglot, studying similar languages can actually help improve the mastery of one's native language, or at least that's what I experienced when I studied German and French.  Even having a partial understanding of a language opens up a lot of opportunities, and at least it makes traveling easier.  Plus, it lets you eavesdrop on foreigners who think they're being sneaky.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: shibby on August 12, 2008, 05:23:52 AM
My elementary school had an after school Spainish program... nobody went unless their parents made them, and anything they taught you never stuck because they only met for thirty minutes once a week.

America in general is teaching language completely wrong. Nobody starts until middle school, and by then your ability to learn another language is severely decreased. And then all that's done is busywork, when it has been proven over and over again that the only way to learn a language is to be immersed in it, to hear it and be forced to converse in it.  I've had plenty of French teachers, and the only one I ever learned from refused to speak in English. I didn't know any of the grammatical terms, but I could construct a sentence flawlessly, without thinking about it, because it was natural, not rote. The only thing the US school system does is waste time and money.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: The Angel Raliel on August 12, 2008, 06:15:32 PM
the only logical language is esperanto..... and no one speaks it....
( vulcan probably is, but evryone speaks Klingon instead )
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Twice Belladonna on August 23, 2008, 08:52:09 PM
i took 4 years of spanish, 2 years of latin, 2 years of french, and i'm just starting russian.
kak dyella?
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: colordeaf on August 24, 2008, 02:26:39 AM
i took 4 years of spanish, 2 years of latin, 2 years of french, and i'm just starting russian.
kak dyella?

Russian family lives several houses up the street. Maybe...

The schools around here don't offer it :[

What about Russian music?
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: guuurrrrrllltakeiteasy on August 24, 2008, 01:41:02 PM
I can learn languages if I'm actually interested in it. The benefit of having a memory that sucks a lot of info up comes in handy in these cases. Right now I'm learning ASL, so it doesn't require talking, but a lot of signals. I'm really happy with it.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Marcella on August 24, 2008, 03:09:11 PM
I took 6 years of English, 6 years of French, 5 years of German, 3 years of Latin and 3 years of Greek... And of course I speak Dutch.  :)
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Street Magic on August 25, 2008, 08:19:36 AM
I can learn languages if I'm actually interested in it. The benefit of having a memory that sucks a lot of info up comes in handy in these cases. Right now I'm learning ASL, so it doesn't require talking, but a lot of signals. I'm really happy with it.
The only thing I know in ASL is "tree". I dunno why.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Twice Belladonna on August 25, 2008, 10:40:09 AM
i took 4 years of spanish, 2 years of latin, 2 years of french, and i'm just starting russian.
kak dyella?

Russian family lives several houses up the street. Maybe...

The schools around here don't offer it :[

What about Russian music?

russian music? but of course! i can play the kalinka on piano >_>
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: ampdoll on August 25, 2008, 04:14:29 PM
I can learn languages if I'm actually interested in it. The benefit of having a memory that sucks a lot of info up comes in handy in these cases. Right now I'm learning ASL, so it doesn't require talking, but a lot of signals. I'm really happy with it.

That's cool you're learning ASL. I am just beginning the process of learning ASL! I have always had an interest in it and knew some when I was little. Now I am learning again, and it's great!
I also am better at picking up on languages I have an actual interest in. I love French and am learning that from my father, who speaks it. I find (Mandarin) Chinese quite easy. I taught some students who spoke Mandarin ESL in high school. Also, I find Nordic (mostly Scandinavian) languages easier to pick up on than ones such as Spanish for some reason. I failed Spanish 3 times! I don't know why, I think it's because I am not as interested in learning it as I am some other languages.

I also wish to learn more Hindi as I speak it very poorly and can't write it at all and I am almost half East Indian.

For now, I just want to learn ASL and French. I can only handle so much at a time!  :)
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: CeeGBee on August 25, 2008, 07:05:33 PM
So I was reading the news the other day (I promise, there's a point...):

Quote from: The New York Times
KARALETI, Georgia (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/23/world/europe/23georgia.html) — The Russian tank creaked and groaned at the checkpoint, its journey north across
the new administrative boundary of South Ossetia almost complete. The driver’s face, grease-streaked
and tired looking, jutted from the hatch.  A cigarette hung from his mouth.

He swore, uttering the single, unprintable syllable that is the most foul word in the Russian language.
His source of frustration: his T-62 main battle tank, of a sort that first came into service in the Soviet
Union in the 1960s, would not turn to the left....
(I inserted the italics.)

I wonder how many people (beyond myself) are dying to know what that word was, simply because we speak no Russian?
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on August 25, 2008, 07:29:32 PM
I wonder how many people (beyond myself) are dying to know what that word was, simply because we speak no Russian?

I am seriously tempted to learn just to find out.  :coolsmiley:

Edit - I love google - http://www.russiancursing.com/
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: CeeGBee on August 25, 2008, 11:47:57 PM
I wonder how many people (beyond myself) are dying to know what that word was, simply because we speak no Russian?

I am seriously tempted to learn just to find out.  :coolsmiley:

Edit - I love google - http://www.russiancursing.com/
Well, the description of that first word does seem to match the one in the NYT...
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Haushinka on August 28, 2008, 09:27:52 PM
As a native Englishman, I am naturally bi lingual and can communicate with any nationality..... I speak english, and I speak
L O U D E R     S L O W E R    E N G L I S H !

Speaking of that, I am now learning Polish, because I am the only english speaker in my new place of work.

But seriously, my italian roots have borne me into a bilingual family, those it is a first-acquired language, so I never learned how to learn a language.

I speak French almost fluently (6 yeas of education and almost a degree!), Spanish to n advanced level (Advanced Higher SQA) and english, obviously (or not).

Sometimes because of my italian, people can't understand my word order in sentences- or my punctuation- this is because I apparently haven't properly learnt the difference between English and italian grammar.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: atomkinder on September 09, 2008, 05:24:12 AM
I'm learning Arabic.
I decided to learn a language along side my degree and weighed up which one could teach me the most about the culture and would give me the most interesting group of people to talk to. I always loved north Africa when I've visited on holiday and as I'd love to work abroad, somewhere sunny, I went with Arabic.

I think my family think I'm mad but then they are from rural East Anglia and hadn't actually seen an Arab until recently.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: redandsilverfantastique on October 07, 2008, 01:24:55 PM
russiancursing.com? Interesting.. =p

6 years of French so far and 4 years of Latin (which I'm not too sure really counts as "speaking" a language, more reading it), I'd love to move to a French-speaking country one day and just live the language. That's interesting about "septante" in Belgium, I'd never heard about that before but does seem much more logical.

Just started learning Russian this year and I'm loving the experience of a new language, it's been too long.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Oskarr Najh on October 10, 2008, 11:50:40 PM
I think it's just one of those differences that's just there... like the many small differences between US and UK english.
90 is also called 'nonante' here, instead of... what? quatre-vingt-dix?
We do say 'quatre-vingts' though (but I think there are other countries where they say huitante, maybe in Switzerland?)



(keep in mind that I'm not a native speaker. I learned it in school.)
In Switzerland, it depends where exactly... It depends of the canton.
In the Genevois (around Geneva), they say septante, quatre-vingt, nonante.
Farther in the east (Valais, Neuchatel) they say septante, huitante, nonante.
And in seldom place, (herr... small Isolated villages in the mountains...) they even say septante, octante, nonante.
But in France, most people will get surprised if you say these words. Most french people don't even know them.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: *Lillifee* on October 11, 2008, 03:18:58 PM
I think it's just one of those differences that's just there... like the many small differences between US and UK english.
90 is also called 'nonante' here, instead of... what? quatre-vingt-dix?
We do say 'quatre-vingts' though (but I think there are other countries where they say huitante, maybe in Switzerland?)



(keep in mind that I'm not a native speaker. I learned it in school.)
In Switzerland, it depends where exactly... It depends of the canton.
In the Genevois (around Geneva), they say septante, quatre-vingt, nonante.
Farther in the east (Valais, Neuchatel) they say septante, huitante, nonante.
And in seldom place, (herr... small Isolated villages in the mountains...) they even say septante, octante, nonante.
But in France, most people will get surprised if you say these words. Most french people don't even know them.

are you from switzerland??
do speak german?
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Oskarr Najh on October 11, 2008, 03:28:31 PM
I think it's just one of those differences that's just there... like the many small differences between US and UK english.
90 is also called 'nonante' here, instead of... what? quatre-vingt-dix?
We do say 'quatre-vingts' though (but I think there are other countries where they say huitante, maybe in Switzerland?)



(keep in mind that I'm not a native speaker. I learned it in school.)
In Switzerland, it depends where exactly... It depends of the canton.
In the Genevois (around Geneva), they say septante, quatre-vingt, nonante.
Farther in the east (Valais, Neuchatel) they say septante, huitante, nonante.
And in seldom place, (herr... small Isolated villages in the mountains...) they even say septante, octante, nonante.
But in France, most people will get surprised if you say these words. Most french people don't even know them.

are you from switzerland??
do speak german?

I'm french, but I live just next to Geneva. So I often go to switzerland. Sometimes for work - I make extras as a roady. I recently worked for Celine Dion and Tokyo Hotel.... :-\ Errrr.... That makes money. ;D In some better times, I did The Pölice, too.
Well. Finally, I can't speak German.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Twice Belladonna on October 18, 2008, 02:36:41 PM
i want to start studying ebonics.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: CeeGBee on October 18, 2008, 02:55:03 PM
i want to start studying ebonics.
whuchootawkinbout TwiceBelladonna?
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Miss Sahara on October 19, 2008, 07:18:36 AM
thinking about it, i have learned (or tried to learn) a lot of languages  :uglystupid2:

french (for 8 years)
english (for 7 years)
latin (for 6 years)
spanish (for 2 years - but I can't really say anything in spanish)
chinese (for almost 4 years)
czech (for 3 months)
hungarian and sign language (for a weekend each)

and still, I feel like i can't even speak german well enough, sometimes
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: slyvia k on October 19, 2008, 12:19:30 PM
my great-aunt and grandmother and aunts sort of taught me french since i was a baby... but i learnt how to write it at 9 or so years old.
and i learnt english at school...

next year i'm gonna learn german but i'm a bit scared of not being able to really get into it, because i'm 19 and i haven't learnt a new language for more than a decade.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: CookieJar on November 30, 2008, 03:01:43 PM
I'm taking classes of german but i study norwegien by myself.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: lucy on November 30, 2008, 03:15:36 PM
my native language is dutch and i obviously also speak english. i know a little bit of french and german, but that's it. i would love to speak fluent french and german one day. preferably even more languages.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Pelle on November 30, 2008, 04:30:45 PM
I can speak Dutch and English. I can understand Deutch, but it gets difficult if people talk too fast. At the moment I'm trying to read a German Book that I lend from a friend of mine. It actually goes quite well, and I really want to learn the language.

And I want to learn Spanish, but I don't think I'll have the time...
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Mr. Leave Me Alone on November 30, 2008, 04:56:11 PM
I compleeeetely fail at languages.
I was learning Mandarin and Italian when I was younger and I can only remember numbers up to 10, I was learning French a few years ago when I went to France for the first time and I was studying Finland and learning Finnish (I got pretty obsessed...Listened to lots of Finnish music and started pronouncing some of my words with a really weird deformed accent), the year before last, but I can remember NO French, and depressingly, seeing as I put so much time and concentration into it, I know no Finnish except for a swear word.
I knew all sorts of stuff before though. Someone taught me, as a pick up line (which is what makes it funny) 'Nice hair! Mind if I braid it?'

Good times.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: caddy on December 01, 2008, 12:16:59 AM
^HA - HA - HA

and now in Dutch

^HI - HI - HI


Spanish:

JA - JA - JA

Korean:

KE - KE - KE
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: The King of Carrot Flowers on December 01, 2008, 12:20:48 AM
As a native Englishman, I am naturally bi lingual and can communicate with any nationality..... I speak english, and I speak
L O U D E R     S L O W E R    E N G L I S H !

Speaking of that, I am now learning Polish, because I am the only english speaker in my new place of work.

But seriously, my italian roots have borne me into a bilingual family, those it is a first-acquired language, so I never learned how to learn a language.

I speak French almost fluently (6 yeas of education and almost a degree!), Spanish to n advanced level (Advanced Higher SQA) and english, obviously (or not).

Sometimes because of my italian, people can't understand my word order in sentences- or my punctuation- this is because I apparently haven't properly learnt the difference between English and italian grammar.
Well, if you're trying to teach them English, your setting a poor example (you have less-than-spectacular grammatical and capitalizational savvy).
Just kiddin', love!
But I thought you lived in Scotland...
Also, I'm learning Japanese, I can speak fluent Latin and I can read Spanish and French text with the pronunciation of a native--I just can't understand it.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: ratsforcandy on December 02, 2008, 06:30:04 PM
I love different languages. I wanted to learn Japanese, but it's entirely TOO hard. I took french in high school, and it was alright. I wish Senior Year they gave me French 3. I'm doing Spanish currently through Rosetta Stone. When I was younger I grew up around Spanish. My dad is Puerto Rican, and his parents barely speak english, so it's kind of almost a second language to me. I know a good deal, but want to master it. I deferred college a year, decided I'd just learn a language. Now that I work I don't really have much time for it though >.> I was learning Latin on Rosetta, (yay for torrents), and it was alright. I stopped because senior year was tough, and I lost interest, haha.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: caddy on December 02, 2008, 07:38:10 PM
yasai wa yasui desu.

*blinks*
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: .:The.Sophie:. on December 02, 2008, 07:46:43 PM
I took German for 3 years at school but remember very little of it.
Now i'm trying to learn Finnish!!  :)
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: The King of Carrot Flowers on December 02, 2008, 11:40:09 PM
yasai wa yasui desu.

*blinks*
Vegetables are *I don't know what "yasui" means*?
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: caddy on December 02, 2008, 11:46:36 PM
yasai wa yasui desu.

*blinks*
Vegetables are *I don't know what "yasui" means*?

Inexpensive.  Hai desu!
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Ligeia on May 09, 2011, 11:16:35 AM
I recently began learning Russian. Damn its hard :P
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: NastyEgo on June 09, 2011, 11:55:22 AM
Speaking of that, I am now learning Polish, because I am the only english speaker in my new place of work.
I bet the first thing you get from Polish are swear words. We swear a lot. :D (God I haven't been here in ages)
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Savannah on June 09, 2011, 01:59:30 PM
After English, i'm learning Spanish but i have a really hard time in making sentences. Irregular verbs are really pain in the ass. Also, my problem is, because i also speak very little Arabic and natively Turkish too, i'm confusing the languages in my mind. For example sometimes, especially when my mind is overloaded, i use some conjunctions in Spanish, vocabulary in English, greetings in Arabic and they all become a soup, a cultural brain fuck  :uglystupid2: it's strange because i almost never do that while writing.

I think, if a person's native language and second language are of different language families, it's harder to learn.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: NastyEgo on June 09, 2011, 02:42:39 PM
I don't think it matters at all. Sometimes differences help to set the languages apart. On the other hand if languages belong to the same family there are some similarities which can be misleading.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Savannah on June 09, 2011, 02:46:58 PM
I don't think it matters at all. Sometimes differences help to set the languages apart. On the other hand if languages belong to the same family there are some similarities which can be misleading.

I don't know, but learning Spanish after English is way easier than learning Arabic. Because the sentence structures and some of the words are close. On the other hand when the grammar, alphabet, vocabulary and all completely changes, it's harder for me to deal with.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: buttercup. on June 09, 2011, 02:47:12 PM
I've been pondering taking some German.

Meanwhile, I really should brush up on my ASL. I do have a couple of people to communicate to now, and though one said he'd teach me, I'd rather know more than finger spelling and "My name is" and "I like dogs". That doesn't get you very far. Oh, I also know "bathroom".
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: CottonCandy on July 26, 2011, 05:02:32 AM
As we had discussion about languages on Celebrity RIP, should we bring it over here, or would making a new topic on the general nature of language more appropriate?
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: The Angel Raliel on July 26, 2011, 05:09:51 AM
indeed the nature and origin of language deserves a whole new discussion
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: CottonCandy on July 26, 2011, 05:28:22 AM
Also, comparing different languages... This is also referring to the discussion in paedophilia topic... How in different languages, you might have dozens of words for love or snow or sand, yet in others, just one.

I think I shall make the topic. If mods object, they can lock it.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: The Angel Raliel on July 26, 2011, 05:33:52 AM
as long as we keep it on track as to what we are babbling on about i am sure it will be fine!
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: CottonCandy on July 26, 2011, 05:37:10 AM
A new thread has now been made in everything else :)
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: lentower on July 26, 2011, 05:57:40 AM
A new thread has now been made in everything else :)

it's here
http://www.theshadowbox.net/forum/index.php?topic=20778.0 (http://www.theshadowbox.net/forum/index.php?topic=20778.0)
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Rosebud on July 29, 2011, 02:51:19 PM
I'm trying to learn Latin.
Other languages I'd love to learn are Spanish, German and Esperanto.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: spider jerusalem on August 06, 2011, 08:34:45 PM
I learned Spanish for a few years and can remember quite a lot of it.  I only notice when I'm watching a Spanish movie and for a lot of it don't need the subtitles, but if you asked me to SAY something in Spanish, I might be a bit baffled. 

It is the same with me and German. Don't ask me to tell you anything, but I'll probably understand a few things on films, news, etc.

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Has anyone ever tried those Rosetta Stone DVDs?  They're expensive, but supposed to be good and I want to learn Mandarin. 

I don't know if Mandarin will be easy to learn without a teacher or someone to help you with your pronunciation or even your kanji (forgot how they call it...). But I also don't know how much of self-learning you can deal with. I suggest you trying to find a forum or something focused on Madrin for foreigners.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Mockery on August 06, 2011, 08:47:55 PM
I still desire to learn american sign language

My brother-in-law's mother is a master at ASL.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: NastyEgo on August 07, 2011, 03:52:11 AM
You should have seen the faces of the people I work with, when I've told them that in Polish we use 17 different versions of the word "two".
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: The Angel Raliel on August 07, 2011, 03:59:16 AM
..but only 2 for the word "seventeen"
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Tiervexx on August 07, 2011, 12:54:13 PM
I wish kids (in the US) learned languages in elementary school instead of history. Any history they teach you, you have to re-learn in high school because it's mostly lies and bullcrap. =)

That's actually true.

The versions of history you learn in American elementary school are very dumbed down and often overt lies designed to make the government sound better.  It gets better in high school but often you won't get the real version until college.

The results of this watered down education are often found in popular political talks.  Many Americans still think slavery sparked the civil war.

In reality it was about tariffs.  It was the only source of income the Federal Government had at the time and the South paid most of it.  European nations were even going to intervene on behalf of the South who they traded with more often.  Lincoln prevented them from interfering by making the war about slavery with the emancipation proclamation.

Up till then Lincoln was even trying to promise the South he would NOT end slavery.

I think the real story is more interesting than the black and white version we were told in elementary school.

Oh, and the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was not perfectly unprovoked either.

Of course.... all governments seem to lie to students to make themselves sound more noble, it's not just a US thing.  Some are just more overt about it than others.  I think Germany deserves a lot of credit for not trying to sugar coat Nazism.  Meanwhile there has recently been a massive effort to revamp Russian education to act like Stalin was not quite the total psychopath he was.

... but the worst culprit is North Korea.  In their official history Kim and his father created the Earth together and control the weather.  Kim also does not urinate or defecate like normal people.  The Americans are not just enemies but basically like biblical devils.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: spider jerusalem on August 07, 2011, 11:01:57 PM
You should have seen the faces of the people I work with, when I've told them that in Polish we use 17 different versions of the word "two".

How so? You have words for 'two' for different situations and contexts?

... but the worst culprit is North Korea.  In their official history Kim and his father created the Earth together and control the weather.  Kim also does not urinate or defecate like normal people.  The Americans are not just enemies but basically like biblical devils.

seriously?  :o
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: CeeGBee on August 08, 2011, 12:09:05 AM
Many Americans still think slavery sparked the civil war.

In reality it was about tariffs.  It was the only source of income the Federal Government had at the time and the South paid most of it.  European nations were even going to intervene on behalf of the South who they traded with more often.  Lincoln prevented them from interfering by making the war about slavery with the emancipation proclamation.

Up till then Lincoln was even trying to promise the South he would NOT end slavery.

I think the real story is more interesting than the black and white version we were told in elementary school.
Alas, the tarriff story is largely spin-based bullshit....  Seriously.

Keep in mind that in politics, for every action there's a good-reason, and a real-reason, and if there's a
dispute, each side's good-reason is often the other side's real-reason.  Yes, it's true that northern politicians
were not universally abolitionist, and their principal motivation was an international trade-policy that favored
their interests over those of the agrarian South, the states of the South were willing, even eager, to secede
and to fight for one thing - to maintain the status-quo relationship of black to white in the South, and the
single causative factor was the potential admission of enough new "free" states to upset the balance of
power in the Senate.  A quick read through the Constritution of the CSA, as well as the writings of Southern
leaders in the years leading up to the war show that they were anti-tarriff, but the consuming concern is that
of preserving slavery, and in the larger scale, the rigid racial stratification it embodied (which, of course, survived
until at least the 1960s and in some places still endures today).

Granted, it's certainly not black and white (no pun intended), but Lincoln's administration almost certainly
would have adopted abolitionist legislation, just as George W. Bush would have outlawed abortion if he had
the votes in Congress - not the number one priority, but something they felt was important, despite their
campaign rhetoric.



Oh, and the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was not perfectly unprovoked either.
Also a long story...

And we haven't even touched on "Manifest Destiny", westward expansion, the Indian wars, and genocide.


Of course.... all governments seem to lie to students to make themselves sound more noble, it's not just a US thing.
Trudat.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Tiervexx on August 13, 2011, 03:54:46 PM
Many Americans still think slavery sparked the civil war.

In reality it was about tariffs.  It was the only source of income the Federal Government had at the time and the South paid most of it.  European nations were even going to intervene on behalf of the South who they traded with more often.  Lincoln prevented them from interfering by making the war about slavery with the emancipation proclamation.

Up till then Lincoln was even trying to promise the South he would NOT end slavery.

I think the real story is more interesting than the black and white version we were told in elementary school.
Alas, the tarriff story is largely spin-based bullshit....  Seriously.

Keep in mind that in politics, for every action there's a good-reason, and a real-reason, and if there's a
dispute, each side's good-reason is often the other side's real-reason.  Yes, it's true that northern politicians
were not universally abolitionist, and their principal motivation was an international trade-policy that favored
their interests over those of the agrarian South, the states of the South were willing, even eager, to secede
and to fight for one thing - to maintain the status-quo relationship of black to white in the South, and the
single causative factor was the potential admission of enough new "free" states to upset the balance of
power in the Senate.  A quick read through the Constritution of the CSA, as well as the writings of Southern
leaders in the years leading up to the war show that they were anti-tarriff, but the consuming concern is that
of preserving slavery, and in the larger scale, the rigid racial stratification it embodied (which, of course, survived
until at least the 1960s and in some places still endures today).

Granted, it's certainly not black and white (no pun intended), but Lincoln's administration almost certainly
would have adopted abolitionist legislation, just as George W. Bush would have outlawed abortion if he had
the votes in Congress - not the number one priority, but something they felt was important, despite their
campaign rhetoric.


I don't completely disagree with you.  Slavery was an issue but modern northern historian downplay the role trade economics played in it just as southern historians downplay how much slavery was an issue.

I will admit I have not studied the writings of southern politicians from that time period in great detail but I have read a bit from northern abolitionists and some of them were deeply horrified by the war rather than thinking it was their big chance.

I believe Lincoln would have liked to end slavery under ideal circumstances but it bothers me that so many believe Lincoln's true heroic goal was to end slavery.  It was just an afterthought, that's my point.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: wijsgeer on August 23, 2011, 08:47:00 AM
Being Dutch I learned English and German and French in school (though the latter two never fully developed so to say). I also took extracurricular classes in Spanish and Russian, they formed nice little tasters but not much more than that.

When I spent a spell in semi residential care in a mental institution I dediced I wanted to do something else than be a psychiatric patient (such a boring thing to be) so I decided to take a course in Mandarin. It was fun to practice the writing but it was incredibly hard. (my mind being blown to bits didn't quite help). I would like to give it an other try when I feel clearer.

Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Savannah on January 11, 2012, 09:22:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/edYHlnhxyOI

haha  ;D
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: The Angel Raliel on January 11, 2012, 10:18:48 AM
I suspect an awful lot of french people do not speak french if this video is correct
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Miss Sahara on January 11, 2012, 05:41:18 PM
haha to me it always seems like french people make a ridiculous amount of sounds with their mouths when they talk... reminds me of this sketch where the comedian talks (inter alia) about how french people may include whisteling in their sentences: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWLzjViqa6M (unfortunately i can't find a version with english subtitles, so this is probably only funny if you understand either french or german (subtitles))
 
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Savannah on January 12, 2012, 04:41:35 AM
haha though i only could understand a couple of words of it, it was so funny. yeah french people make a lot of gestures and sounds  ;D

i have met a couple of french people in istanbul, they all were so sweet and friendly.

anyway they were a little different from us in terms of culture. for example people here find it disgusting and disrespectful when somebody blows their nose noisy while having meal, so we tend to use the bathroom if we need to blow our noses.

anyway one of the girls did it while we all were having breakfast in a fancy restaurant, haha how she managed to do it while everybody was completely silent, i don't know.

some of my friends could not keep eating, they tried to be gentle and opened a conversation. i pushed myself to keep eating my peanut butter sandwich.

i find such things natural, so i try not to react. in the end we all do such things, it doesn't matter whether in a breakfast table or in a bathroom.

Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: slyvia k on January 12, 2012, 09:51:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/edYHlnhxyOI

haha  ;D
hilarious! some parts were really accurate, like the sounds.... especially the HHHHHHHHAAA very guttural sound of disappointment...
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: The Angel Raliel on January 12, 2012, 01:40:46 PM
I am beginning to suspect that all people who speak "foreign" are just making it up as they go along to confuse people
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: spider jerusalem on January 13, 2012, 06:59:40 PM
I am beginning to suspect that all people who speak "foreign" are just making it up as they go along to confuse people

A year or two a go a friend [?] and I were small talking outside a venue when he, drunk, started speaking german. But things like "hello, what did you do today?" "do you like beer?" "My friends are visiting me" "I'm drunk" etc etc. But because I know (knew?) some of the germanic language, I could keep going on.

A random dude came asking us from where we were. In english. We started to talk with him in english pretending we were from Austria. 
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Indja on January 13, 2012, 07:40:42 PM
Yo, bitches, I be ownin' this thread. I've got French, New Testament-era Greek and a teensy bit of Hebrew under my belt, with Syriac to follow next term ;) Of course, almost everyone who can speak French can speak English, and the other three are all completely useless outside the realm of a theologian's lecture hall. Ho hum. Actually, I've got about as much German as I have Hebrew, which is indicative of just how shit I was at Hebrew xD But still, it's nice to brag....
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Miss Sahara on January 16, 2012, 03:55:41 PM
how can everyone who speaks french speak english?

btw, i have some pretty useless knowledge of both latin and classical chinese to offer!
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Indja on January 16, 2012, 04:02:58 PM
I suppose that's an exaggeration. I just meant that in a LOT of European countries, English is taught to a pretty decent level, as are other European languages like French and German. French is a biggie, and really all the European kids I've met can speak either near-fluent English or near-fluent French.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: Miss Sahara on January 17, 2012, 05:54:06 PM
ah i see. i thought of all the french people i know and how most of them only have basic english skills (due to really bad language classes/teachers) and (unfortunately - this had me practice my really not good french quite a bit) can't really hold a conversation. but for people who learn french as a forein language what you said makes definitely sense.
Title: Re: Learning Other Languages
Post by: LoneWanderer on January 20, 2012, 11:57:55 PM
I want to learn Japanese, German, and Irish Gaelic