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Title: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: N.U. on April 15, 2013, 03:45:15 PM
Are all of our Shadowboxers accounted for? I just flipped on the news and saw this happened.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: CeeGBee on April 15, 2013, 05:34:12 PM
What he said...

Check in, Bostonians.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Blue Canary on April 15, 2013, 05:42:44 PM
I just saw that Len on Facebook said he was safe.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: lentower on April 15, 2013, 06:19:47 PM
HORRID.

I just saw that Len on Facebook said he was safe.

; - }

Amanda is fine - been tweeting up a supportive storm from
her bookstore hangout in Cambridge.
Brian is in NYC (to the best of my knowledge).

For those who need to follow this minute-to-minute,
Sean just set up a twitter list of reputable twitter feeds:
https://twitter.com/indeciSEAN/boston-4-15-info (https://twitter.com/indeciSEAN/boston-4-15-info)

I was home and didn't hear either explosions from 3.5 miles away.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: imaginary friend on April 15, 2013, 06:38:47 PM
good to hear you're ok, dude. Same with Amanda.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: lentower on April 15, 2013, 06:49:34 PM
good to hear you're ok, dude. Same with Amanda.

; - }

Amanda hit a twitter limit.  She and Neil have talked.

Team AFP is working on this:
http://amandapalmer.tumblr.com/post/48071358145/this-is-sean-indecisean-posting-for-amanda-if (http://amandapalmer.tumblr.com/post/48071358145/this-is-sean-indecisean-posting-for-amanda-if)

They are looking for reputable places for people to donate and help.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Amanda Palmer on April 15, 2013, 06:54:37 PM
sad, sad, sad.

having grown up in lexington its hard to explain what patriot's day and all its traditions mean to outsiders.
but it was always a joyous day. this is so fucking sad.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: The Angel Raliel on April 15, 2013, 06:55:38 PM
I really hope everyone is ok and if there is ANYTHING I can do for people, do not hesitate to ask.....
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Musings on April 15, 2013, 07:08:09 PM
I am OK, although I'm not sure if newbies know me.

Renegade and his seem to be OK via Facebook.

Jarboe is OK via Facebook.

Official police advice for Bostoners: stay at home, away from crowds.

Offer your home up in Boston here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1dqIKVq6IqX4BVXqOW_a9-qmXt1KJ_4Nu3NPNnC1g1mw/viewform

I'm away from home in CT right now, but if you need a hug, I'll be back by Wednesday.

I'll post again if I learn of anything specific that out-of-towners can do (but I'm sure that Amanda and Sean will be on it as well).

For now, find someone who needs it and hug them hard.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: JohnnyDBBUK on April 15, 2013, 07:09:48 PM
Thanks for the updates x
Bostonians please contact each other and make sure everyone is ok.
Audrey and myself are concerned for your safety.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Half Mar on April 15, 2013, 07:09:58 PM
I might not be around as much as before, but all you guys are still on my mind a lot. Glad to hear Amanda, Musings and Len are okay. I hope everyone else here is okay too. Such a tragic and horrible thing that happened today. I had to switch off the news at one point, it made me so sad and sick to my stomach. Too many people lost their lives, and too many people were harmed in such a terrible way. My thoughts are with all of them and their families.

Stay safe, everyone <3
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on April 15, 2013, 07:17:28 PM
Glad you guys are OK. My stomach sank when I saw it was Boston.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: lentower on April 15, 2013, 07:22:02 PM
OK:

* BrainnaH - don't remember her sbox handle.

* Cormac MacBride, a friend of Amanda's who opened for her recently at Bard and Northhampton.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Captain Oblivious on April 15, 2013, 07:23:46 PM
I have a friend in Boston and I haven't heard from her yet and I'm really fucking worried.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Musings on April 15, 2013, 07:41:50 PM
Unless your friend was planning on being a spectator at the finish line of the Marathon, she is probably fine.  This was a very localized event.  (I'm not trying to be dismissive or diminish your emotion, but am trying to reassure you.)  Also remember that cell phone service in downtown Boston is very iffy at the moment, due to overwhelmed lines.  Do you know what part of Boston she is from?
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: lentower on April 15, 2013, 07:58:02 PM
Unless your friend was planning on being a spectator at the finish line of the Marathon, she is probably fine.  This was a very localized event.  (I'm not trying to be dismissive or diminish your emotion, but am trying to reassure you.)  Also remember that cell phone service in downtown Boston is very iffy at the moment, due to overwhelmed lines.  Do you know what part of Boston she is from?

Boston Police shut down cell phone service,
to prevent remote detonation of explosives.

Corrina who has been on the sbox for a while is OK.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: lentower on April 15, 2013, 07:58:38 PM
Unless your friend was planning on being a spectator at the finish line of the Marathon, she is probably fine.  This was a very localized event.  (I'm not trying to be dismissive or diminish your emotion, but am trying to reassure you.)  Also remember that cell phone service in downtown Boston is very iffy at the moment, due to overwhelmed lines.  Do you know what part of Boston she is from?

Boston Police shut down cell phone service,
to prevent remote detonation of explosives.

Corrina who has been on the sbox for a while is OK.

Texting seems to have been left on though.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Captain Oblivious on April 15, 2013, 08:07:10 PM
Unless your friend was planning on being a spectator at the finish line of the Marathon, she is probably fine.  This was a very localized event.  (I'm not trying to be dismissive or diminish your emotion, but am trying to reassure you.)  Also remember that cell phone service in downtown Boston is very iffy at the moment, due to overwhelmed lines.  Do you know what part of Boston she is from?

No I'm not sure. And I know it's far more likely that she's ok, it's just that I haven't seen any activity on her facebook or anything like that. I don't have the facilities to call her directly so I have to rely on that.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Musings on April 15, 2013, 08:19:33 PM
Unless your friend was planning on being a spectator at the finish line of the Marathon, she is probably fine.  This was a very localized event.  (I'm not trying to be dismissive or diminish your emotion, but am trying to reassure you.)  Also remember that cell phone service in downtown Boston is very iffy at the moment, due to overwhelmed lines.  Do you know what part of Boston she is from?

Boston Police shut down cell phone service,
to prevent remote detonation of explosives.


As far as I know, this has been debunked: http://mashable.com/2013/04/15/boston-cellphone-service-down/

A friend of mine who was a runner said that he was able to call out but it was very difficult for people to call in.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: RiverVox on April 15, 2013, 08:21:51 PM
Thanks for all the concern and support. I'm freaked out but fine. We watched the marathon in Brookline for a bit this morning, then headed out to a nature sanctuary for the afternoon. My friends and colleagues are accounted for. Several of them were at the finish when the explosions occurred but were not injured. It's strangely quiet here. Choppers and sirens in the distance, very little traffic. It feels like the city is holding its breath. My office is at 500 Boylston, a few blocks from the blast site, in the zone that is locked down as a crime scene, so I won't be going into work tomorrow.

The most fucked up part about this is that it feels familiar. 





Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Ryan James on April 15, 2013, 08:57:39 PM
This is so saddening, being over 800 miles away doesn't help, I grew up in S. NH just a short distance from Boston and only moved out here to Chicago this year, I spent a lot of my high school and college days walking the streets of Bean Town and know a lot of friends who call Boston home. It's hard to imagine something like this happening. I'm glad my northeast family is safe and sound, and my heart goes out most to all those effected.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: absynth aura on April 16, 2013, 01:38:11 AM
I'm glad all the Boston Boxers are alright. I've heard from my friends in Boston, and they're all okay.
It's such a sad event I don't even know what to day.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Miss Sahara on April 16, 2013, 06:06:26 AM
what a tragedy.
living in a place (vienna) where the marathon event took place the day before yesterday, this feels close to home, even so far away...seing all these pictures is heartbreaking and I wish y'all in Boston lots of strenght...
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: guuurrrrrllltakeiteasy on April 16, 2013, 01:42:55 PM
I'm really glad everyone is okay.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Musings on April 16, 2013, 02:06:00 PM
If you are in Boston, here is one thing you can do:

http://nesn.com/2013/04/boston-college-students-organizing-walk-to-finish-boston-marathon/

There is still very little idea on how organized this is/what police presence there will be on Friday.  I first saw it on facebook as a BC alum thing, but I think it went viral pretty fast.

There are a few donation links popping up for the Richard family (who lost their 8 year old son, and a 6 year old daughter and the mother are still in the hospital with bad injuries) but I haven't seen anything official yet.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Musings on April 16, 2013, 05:20:58 PM
Here is the official Mayor/City sanctioned donation of money link for victims: http://onefundboston.org/

I personally will be also joining in the restarted (really, though, should it ever stop?)  #RandomActsofKindness campaign, to do acts of kindness for victims of this and other acts of violence around the world.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: youve_lost on April 16, 2013, 07:40:03 PM
Shaken, but here.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: sangrebloom on April 16, 2013, 09:28:17 PM
Knowing Sboxers are ok is wonderful to hear.  I can only hope the others injured get better now and that Boston recovers from this.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: RiverVox on April 17, 2013, 10:25:38 AM
We were allowed into the office today and this is the view out the window. Hard to see detail in this phone photo, but the streets are still filled with trash, barricades, overturned tables, water bottles signs...no cars, no people. The surrounding streets are filled with cops, FBI, soldiers and media.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2evzvwi.jpg)

Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: imaginary friend on April 17, 2013, 10:29:07 AM
^ glad to see that you and the 'Box crew made it out unscathed (physically, at least).
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: lentower on April 17, 2013, 10:34:30 AM
Related thread:

Boston needs Sing
www.theshadowbox.net/forum/index.php?topic=47638.0 (http://www.theshadowbox.net/forum/www.theshadowbox.net/forum/index.php?topic=47638.0)

Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: N.U. on April 17, 2013, 02:08:13 PM
CNN is reporting that an arrest has been made.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: lentower on April 17, 2013, 03:40:16 PM
CNN is reporting that an arrest has been made.

They are no reporting that the FBI has denied this.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Miranda. on April 17, 2013, 03:48:22 PM
and now they are evacuating the federal courthouse?
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: imaginary friend on April 18, 2013, 05:48:35 PM
2 suspects:

(http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston/image/suspect-1-and-suspect-2-zoomed-out-high-res)
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: CeeGBee on April 19, 2013, 07:44:43 AM
Ho-ly shit, Boston! What the hell is goin' on up there?

Internet says one of the guys is dead, and they're hunting door-to-door for the other.
There's "video" that's mostly audio, but sounds like about a thousand shots fired in a
residential neighbourhood.


Y'all be careful, stay safe.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: N.U. on April 19, 2013, 08:17:25 AM
Not just exchange of gunfire, but also smaller explosive devices were being employed by the two Chechnyan brothers.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: lentower on April 19, 2013, 01:30:21 PM
Thanx.  Been Sheltering at Home, even before the Governor asked.

Ho-ly shit, Boston! What the hell is goin' on up there?

Internet says one of the guys is dead, and they're hunting door-to-door for the other.
There's "video" that's mostly audio, but sounds like about a thousand shots fired in a
residential neighbourhood.

Y'all be careful, stay safe.

According to the media:

The two brothers robbed a 7/11 near MIT (dumb),
about a half mile from their apartment.
Then shot an MIT Campus Police Officer dead
(sad, they are very friendly responsible police),
stole his patrol car. 
Switched to a car jacked Mercedes SUV. 
Dropped the SUV driver off (dumb, but I'm glad the driver is safe).
All in Cambridge.

A high speed chase followed to Watertown,
where they shot back at and threw explosions at the chasing patrol cars. 
Older brother got out. 
Younger brother drove on five blocks and escaped into a residential neighbourhood. 
Older brother in gun battle, and got severely shot up. 
Taken to Beth Israel/Deaconess where he died
(I'm surprised they didn't take him to Mt. Auburn - much closer). 
Manhunt for younger brother ongoing for 6 hours now.

They are about to have a controlled explosion at the brothers' apartment building,
having evacuated that neighbourhood.
I hope enough is left for some answers to be found.

Both brothers refugees from Chechnya, next to Russia,
and been in and out of local colleges.

Less surreal than any war zone ...
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: N.U. on April 19, 2013, 02:18:26 PM
Older brother was an accomplished boxer who failed to make the US Olympic team. Is the motive a simple matter of misplaced revenge, hence why he bombed a sporting event?
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: sangrebloom on April 19, 2013, 03:02:45 PM
this just makes me so sad.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Captain Oblivious on April 19, 2013, 04:00:37 PM
If they are American citizens, why is everyone going on about how they're Chechen?
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Devery on April 19, 2013, 04:14:54 PM
If they are American citizens, why is everyone going on about how they're Chechen?

So that the attack can be tied to Islamists which can thereby be tied to the Saudi national "person of interest' which can be tied to the Obama cover-up and the deportation of said Saudi national in order to divert attention away from Muslims so that Obama can continue with his Muslim takeover of the United States. 

And if that makes sense, then congratulations, you're a right-ring conspiracy theorist/wing-nut!
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: N.U. on April 19, 2013, 04:18:42 PM
If they are American citizens, why is everyone going on about how they're Chechen?

Starved for details, the press starts hyper-focusing on the minutia of the facts they DO have. Look for them to start making stuff up by this evening.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Musings on April 19, 2013, 04:24:26 PM
Ugh.  Fuck this shit.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: imaginary friend on April 20, 2013, 02:29:56 AM
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18l65pjash95gjpg/k-bigpic.jpg)
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Rose on April 20, 2013, 02:09:34 PM
^Wtf. That's awesome. And weird.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Astica on April 21, 2013, 12:34:11 AM
http://socialistworker.org/2013/04/20/between-solidarity-and-racism (http://socialistworker.org/2013/04/20/between-solidarity-and-racism)
I really, really hope this isn't the beginning of ongoing hostilities, but the realist in me says that this is likely to get worse.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: N.U. on April 21, 2013, 04:09:48 AM
^Wtf. That's awesome. And weird.

It certainly explains why The New Girl is still on TV.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: sangrebloom on April 21, 2013, 04:55:52 AM
I really don't like how sensational the media is making this!  guy at work was saying that during the gun fight the suspects were yelling things at the cops, and I have to wonder how the heck to they even know they said those things? It's all just hearsay, until facts are released or witness statements taken.  I've been sticking to updates on this (and Texas explosion) through here and NPR.   
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: lentower on April 21, 2013, 10:27:59 AM
http://socialistworker.org/2013/04/20/between-solidarity-and-racism (http://socialistworker.org/2013/04/20/between-solidarity-and-racism)
I really, really hope this isn't the beginning of ongoing hostilities, but the realist in me says that this is likely to get worse.

Not "ongoing" but continuing hostilities.

Segregation based on racial and religious difference has a long history in the USA.
New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and many other towns and city join Boston in this.



This column was origianlly published here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/20/boston-city-poised-fear-relief-empathy-anger

I suggest people use this link.  The Guardian is a much better know and respected media source.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: lentower on April 21, 2013, 05:12:38 PM
Amanda just posted her third blog about this:

http://amandapalmer.net/blog/20130421/ (http://amandapalmer.net/blog/20130421/)
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on April 21, 2013, 07:20:52 PM
Amanda just posted her third blog about this:

http://amandapalmer.net/blog/20130421/ (http://amandapalmer.net/blog/20130421/)

The comments here are a lot more entertaining:

https://www.facebook.com/amandapalmer/posts/10151448369958375

Her position is one I ultimately agree with this time, which I guess makes it all the more unfortunate that so many people have chosen now to become disillusioned from her constant romanticizing and indulgent writing.  The comments on the facebook post have elicited from me the emotions Amanda's music used to.

I am really struggling with this story. It would be a lot easier for me if Jahar were not so likable. The magnitude of what's happened has made it so polarizing that it's difficult (for me, at least) to have any sort of meaningful or helpful discussions about it.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: lentower on April 22, 2013, 02:21:15 AM
A related thread:

A Poem For Dzhokhar
http://www.theshadowbox.net/forum/index.php?topic=47642.0 (http://www.theshadowbox.net/forum/index.php?topic=47642.0)
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: N.U. on April 23, 2013, 10:34:04 AM
In the grand scheme of things, the tragedy in Boston wasn't bad at all.

I was more sad seeing the government essentially declare martial law without actually declaring martial law. Many others state it's the only way they could catch these guys so quickly. I would only mention the ex-cop that the LA cops managed to take down a couple of months ago without giving a "Shelter-in-place, no travel is allowed, don't open your private business, and we'll search what we damn well want to without a warrant" order.

How sad is it, especially in the city where the American Revolution began, to see my fellow citizens so willingly give up their constitutional rights all for some fleeting notion of "safety."
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: CeeGBee on April 23, 2013, 07:26:08 PM
In the grand scheme of things, the tragedy in Boston wasn't bad at all.

I was more sad seeing the government essentially declare martial law without actually declaring martial law. Many others state it's the only way they could catch these guys so quickly. I would only mention the ex-cop that the LA cops managed to take down a couple of months ago without giving a "Shelter-in-place, no travel is allowed, don't open your private business, and we'll search what we damn well want to without a warrant" order.

How sad is it, especially in the city where the American Revolution began, to see my fellow citizens so willingly give up their constitutional rights all for some fleeting notion of "safety."
Given the scarcity of hard facts available to law-enforcement in the instant, I would far
prefer they over-reach a bit and inconvenience a few people, than fail to take sufficient
measures and get more people killed.... if something similar happened in my town.

Doubtless if they come back and arrest some guy because they noticed a 30-gallon trash
bag full of weed while they were searching his house for a mad bomber, it'll make for an
interesting court case.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: Astica on April 24, 2013, 04:38:13 AM
As I understand it, that thing with the ex-cop was a god damned disaster that saw multiple civilians shot by police anyway, so the lock-down was probably for the best to protect Bostonians (apparently that's a word?) from bombers and cops alike. Remember that you're eight times more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist.
Title: Re: Explosions at Boston Marathon
Post by: sangrebloom on April 24, 2013, 01:40:44 PM
That whole Dorner thing is the other extreme, they were knee-jerk and acting with no real plan, and the victims ended up with only a dead body and no explanations other than the manifesto, which was disjointed with moments of clarity.