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Title: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: guuurrrrrllltakeiteasy on September 21, 2008, 01:09:17 AM
Our forum is really diverse. Not just with age, sex, occupations, but race as well.

Soooo what be yo nationality?


I'm Filipino, Italian, Chinese and Spanish.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality?
Post by: Johnny on September 21, 2008, 01:29:03 AM
Well, my mom's family is mostly English decent, I think Wales, with some native american.(my grandmother's mom was very tall, with black hair and dark skin) I just got the large nose part. I think my dad's side is COMPLETELY German. I have blonde hair and blue eyes and fair skin.



So, I guess I'm German/English Native-American...American.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality?
Post by: yosmark on September 21, 2008, 01:38:52 AM
Due to what Shawn said:

I am Mexican.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality?
Post by: Hayley Fiasco! on September 21, 2008, 02:13:52 AM
My father's parents are from Poland, so I am half-Polish. My mother's family, I'm not quite sure probably some Russian and other eastern European nationalities.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality?
Post by: Shawn on September 21, 2008, 03:14:45 AM
Sean, you're talking about ethnic backgrounds, not nationalities. :P  You're Canadian, I'm American. Deal with it. ;D
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Post by: Edric. on September 21, 2008, 03:29:38 AM
¡yo soy boricua, pa'que tu lo sepas!
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Post by: *Lillifee* on September 21, 2008, 04:03:34 AM
¡yo soy boricua, pa'que tu lo sepas!

from France or from Spain???

I am German
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality?
Post by: The Angel Raliel on September 21, 2008, 04:41:43 AM
The mangled and complex bloodline that is English
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality?
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on September 21, 2008, 05:25:39 AM
Earthling.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality?
Post by: paper-doll on September 21, 2008, 05:27:39 AM
Australian  :headbang: but I am in the wrong hemisphere, where the moon is backwards and water (allegedly) exits the drain in the wrong direction.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality?
Post by: Katherine May Williams on September 21, 2008, 05:52:19 AM
English.. British. Not sure which it says on my passport.

As for family history.. I was born in London. My parents were both born in England. My grandparents were born in England and Wales. Their parents (my great-grandparents) were all born in England. I believe their parents were also all born in England.

It's England as far as the eye can see in my family. Pretty boring.

There's a vague story that someone on my mother's father's side came over from France around the time of the French revolution (around 1800-ish), but no-one has ever been able to confirm it.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality?
Post by: music box on September 21, 2008, 10:22:16 AM
i'm a mutt or as a friend once called me, eurotrash.


let's see... german, polish, romanian, hungarian, irish, french, welsh, dutch, gypsy (i don't know what that is, but my mom claims it's part of her side), italian, bulgarian, turkish, etc.

i had to do a project in 7th grade about my ethnicity and found all this stuff in my bloodline... it explains my eyebrows if nothing else.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality?
Post by: guuurrrrrllltakeiteasy on September 21, 2008, 12:00:23 PM
Sean, you're talking about ethnic backgrounds, not nationalities. :P  You're Canadian, I'm American. Deal with it. ;D

Fixed it. Kind of.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: buttercup. on September 21, 2008, 12:31:14 PM
Californian.
More deeply my father's father is all Black Irish, my father's mother is half Irish and half English. My mother is French, Scottish, German, English.

I'm just really white.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Molotovna on September 21, 2008, 12:32:34 PM
Sicilian and Polish on my mother's side, and Scottish, Irish, and German from my father's.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Cheddars Cousin on September 21, 2008, 12:53:35 PM
I'm a 'merican.

and I'm single.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Street Magic on September 21, 2008, 01:06:26 PM
1/4 German on my father's mother's side
1/4 unknown European on my father's father's side
1/2 mostly English on my mother's side

with an iota of a drop of Native American blood. Like, literally, we know that my grandmother's grandmother's grandmother was minisculely fractionally Indian but we don't know exactly how much.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Golly Mina! on September 21, 2008, 01:27:35 PM
Well let's see. I'm Romanian, German, Hungarian and I also have some Jewish blood on my dad's side.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: guuurrrrrllltakeiteasy on September 21, 2008, 02:04:35 PM
Wow. Just wow. A lot of culture on our board!!! :]

According to my father his mom's grandpa, my dad's great grandfather, thus my great great grandfather, was a direct descent of the Medici family. And about a week ago I was reading about them in my history textbook. They were rich bankers. Eventually they were driven out of Italy. All during the Renaissance Era.

I have asked him to show me the family tree on his side but that's in the Philippines. So boo him. But I did ask my grandma. She confirms it. And apparently I have the "Medici" nose. So yeah.......I dunno.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: rosesandpianos on September 21, 2008, 02:17:21 PM
I'm mostly German and English, but I dunno how much. My mom's side of the family is all from New England, mostly Massetchusetts. Our family's been traced back to the Mayflower, we had two direct ancestors who were on it haha. I have a little Scottish blood and a bunch of German on my dad's side.

Apparently we're ancestors of John and Samual Adams (the second president, and what not)
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: buttercup. on September 21, 2008, 02:31:35 PM
I'm mostly German and English, but I dunno how much. My mom's side of the family is all from New England, mostly Massetchusetts. Our family's been traced back to the Mayflower, we had two direct ancestors who were on it haha. I have a little Scottish blood and a bunch of German on my dad's side.

Apparently we're ancestors of John and Samual Adams (the second president, and what not)

My ancestors on my mom's side were on the ship AFTER the Mayflower. I bet our ancestors partied together :-D
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: 85283-071 on September 21, 2008, 03:00:19 PM
American, of over half German extraction. Quarter French to compliment the German, and the rest totals too little to warrant mention.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: CeeGBee on September 21, 2008, 03:20:53 PM
American, of over half German extraction. Quarter French to complement the German, and the rest totals too little to warrant mention.
3/4 nerd...  old school.




Biologically, in decreasing order of prevalence:  Irish, German, Scots, Huguenot French...  There's a rumour in my dad's
family that one of his ancestors was Cherokee Indian, and he likes to believe it's true...  I'm fairly certain it's not.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: RaggedyAnn on September 21, 2008, 03:22:02 PM
Irish and Czechleslovakian mostly. There's some German, Scottish, Swedish, and apparently Mongolian in there somewhere.

I only look Irish though
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: *Lillifee* on September 21, 2008, 03:33:48 PM
look irish?
when we did a class-trip to dublin i found no optical differences..
help me  :)
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality?
Post by: Edric. on September 21, 2008, 04:10:49 PM
¡yo soy boricua, pa'que tu lo sepas!

from France or from Spain???

I am German

haha i'm puerto rican ;)
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Street Magic on September 21, 2008, 04:38:37 PM
I'm mostly German and English, but I dunno how much. My mom's side of the family is all from New England, mostly Massetchusetts. Our family's been traced back to the Mayflower, we had two direct ancestors who were on it haha. I have a little Scottish blood and a bunch of German on my dad's side.

Apparently we're ancestors of John and Samual Adams (the second president, and what not)

My ancestors on my mom's side were on the ship AFTER the Mayflower. I bet our ancestors partied together :-D
There's a girl in my pre-cal class who is a direct descendant of John Wilkes Booth, the man who shot Abe Lincoln.

By the way, her last name isn't Booth. I said direct descendant, not direct male-line descendant.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: CeeGBee on September 21, 2008, 04:53:43 PM
I'm mostly German and English, but I dunno how much. My mom's side of the family is all from New England, mostly Massetchusetts. Our family's been traced back to the Mayflower, we had two direct ancestors who were on it haha. I have a little Scottish blood and a bunch of German on my dad's side.

Apparently we're ancestors of John and Samual Adams (the second president, and what not)

My ancestors on my mom's side were on the ship AFTER the Mayflower. I bet our ancestors partied together :-D
There's a girl in my pre-cal class who is a direct descendant of John Wilkes Booth, the man who shot Abe Lincoln.

By the way, her last name isn't Booth. I said direct descendant, not direct male-line descendant.
If you ever want to start a fight with her, just mention the abundance of historical sources (some fairly reputable ones)
that say Booth had no children, and...  hell, what was her name?  [googlegoogle] Ogarita wasn't even his illegitimate
child...  (Mind you, I take no side in the discussion, but there is ample evidence on both sides.)
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: imaginary friend on September 21, 2008, 05:50:32 PM
American of full Mexican descent. 8)

jdfu!
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: the CAPS guy on September 21, 2008, 05:54:45 PM
i'm .mx


Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Mr. Leave Me Alone on September 21, 2008, 05:56:38 PM
One part of my family is from Europe and part of it is Indian (which no one ever believes as I am extremely blonde and pale.).
It is very crazy and mixed up but also I am too lazy to write anything else.
I was born in Australia though.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: dangerpants on September 21, 2008, 06:25:28 PM
Indian (which no one ever believes as I am extremely blonde and pale.)

I totally believe that. A lot of people forget that when countries colonize other countries, like England did India, they make a lot of babies. That coupled with the rest of your genetics totally explains that.

And myself? Mostly Irish. My greatgrandfather came over from Ireland. As for my mother's side, I have no idea. She changed her story a lot that I remember... I'm sure it's mostly from the English Isles.
I am, however, Penna-Dutch born and raised, son.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Haushinka on September 21, 2008, 06:41:27 PM
Californian.
More deeply my father's father is all Black Irish, my father's mother is half Irish and half English. My mother is French, Scottish, German, English.

I'm just really white.

Black.. Irish? Wha?

I'm.... Scottish. With one Italian Grandparent.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: lucyanna on September 21, 2008, 06:55:10 PM
I'm pretty sure that most of my ancestors were English - not very exciting. But I only really feel half English as I spent the first 11 years of my life in Grand Cayman - a beautiful little island that will always remain special to me  :)
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: rosesandpianos on September 22, 2008, 02:38:49 AM
I'm mostly German and English, but I dunno how much. My mom's side of the family is all from New England, mostly Massetchusetts. Our family's been traced back to the Mayflower, we had two direct ancestors who were on it haha. I have a little Scottish blood and a bunch of German on my dad's side.

Apparently we're ancestors of John and Samual Adams (the second president, and what not)

My ancestors on my mom's side were on the ship AFTER the Mayflower. I bet our ancestors partied together :-D

Hell yes they did. Party time in the colonies wooo.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Andy Pants on September 22, 2008, 04:42:08 AM
If someone asked me this question in real life I'd punch them in the face. I come from a human race. The same one you do. What exactly is implied by all these labels? Isn't asking this sort of question and taking part in this kind of discussion just a massive act of sterotyping? Fuckit I'm not going to convert anyone. But my understanding is that ethnicity is a myth. The very idea of race as a scientific concept has been disproven agin and again. Two people from supposedly different races can have more genetically and socially similar charcteristics than two people from the same supposed race. It might be difficult to get your head around but its true. There are no ethnicities. Only imagined differences and (frequently-false) generalisations.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: The Angel Raliel on September 22, 2008, 05:24:48 AM
I actually find the origins of our genetics fascinating! did you know that red hair and green eyes are traits from India?

Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: CeeGBee on September 22, 2008, 12:56:21 PM
I'm mostly German and English, but I dunno how much. My mom's side of the family is all from New England, mostly Massetchusetts. Our family's been traced back to the Mayflower, we had two direct ancestors who were on it haha. I have a little Scottish blood and a bunch of German on my dad's side.

Apparently we're ancestors of John and Samual Adams (the second president, and what not)

My ancestors on my mom's side were on the ship AFTER the Mayflower. I bet our ancestors partied together :-D

Hell yes they did. Party time in the colonies wooo.
That lot looked rather down upon the whole notion of... partying?
Hell, if you were smiling, you'd better have felt guilty about it.
Oh, and R&P...  I assume you mean John And Sam are your ancestors, and that you're their descendant, right?
That, or you're a whole lot older than I thought.


AndyPants:  Don't get yer knickers in a twist.  There's nothing wrong with recognizing one's own distinctive
geographic, cultural, and yes, even genetic origins, as long as you don't turn that into hostility toward those
whose origins are different.   We aren't "all the same", and that's a good thing.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: dangerpants on September 22, 2008, 04:47:44 PM
I'm allowed to be proud of my Irish heritage though, ain't I? It certainly doesn't infringe upon anyone's right for me to be proud and want to tell people... I hope Andy Pants won't punch me in the face...  :'(
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Ecstasia on September 22, 2008, 05:05:44 PM
Unless he was joking, I think Andy Pants needs to lighten up a bit. 

All percentages are approximate:

I am Polish (40%), Russian (25%), Czechoslovakian (25%) and a 10% mix of about everything on the British Isles.  There is a rumor in the family that we have a small amount of Mongolian blood through rape, but no one is sure. 
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: 85283-071 on September 22, 2008, 06:34:41 PM
If someone asked me this question in real life I'd punch them in the face.

You must be Irish.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Andy Pants on September 22, 2008, 07:05:39 PM
I think patriotism and racism are only just different enough to have different names. And my point is that these so-called genetic differences are mostly imagined. If you want to do some research into this try flicking through 'Imagined Communities' by Benedict Anderson. He picks apart this whole idea of nationalism and the madness it creates.

I'm sick of people thinking their heritage defines them. I'm not arguing that we don't have differences. Just that these differences have nothing to do with labels of 'race' or 'nationality'. Think about it. To suggest such a thing is a massive act of sterotyping and pretty damn rediculous.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Musings on September 22, 2008, 07:21:06 PM
If someone asked me this question in real life I'd punch them in the face. I come from a human race. The same one you do. What exactly is implied by all these labels? Isn't asking this sort of question and taking part in this kind of discussion just a massive act of sterotyping? Fuckit I'm not going to convert anyone. But my understanding is that ethnicity is a myth. The very idea of race as a scientific concept has been disproven agin and again. Two people from supposedly different races can have more genetically and socially similar charcteristics than two people from the same supposed race. It might be difficult to get your head around but its true. There are no ethnicities. Only imagined differences and (frequently-false) generalisations.

This is interesting for several reasons.  I would agree with you that race is a social construct.  Black or white is a non-helpful differentiation.  The idea of ethnicity however, or commonalities based on a shared culture and history and yes, some biological traits (increases in disease rates, etc.), is useful and often used in scientific settings (for example, genetics).

The other being I went to a talk today by a social psychologist who compares two models of diversity: color blindness (we are all the same) versus multiculturalism (we are all different and let's examine and celebrate difference).  What she found is people from majority ethnic groups tended to prefer the model of color blindness, whereas people in minority ethnic groups tended to prefer the model of multiculturalism.  Also, when she looked at business, people working in the higher status jobs tended to prefer color blindness and people working in lower status jobs tended to prefer multiculturalism.

Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: CeeGBee on September 22, 2008, 07:38:45 PM
^  AndyP, you have some valid points, but Benedict Anderson is a bad place to start (cuz he's
an idealist, unfettered by any silly notions of "reality").

I have to go fix dinner or I'd waste more space on it.
Short version:
Race = semi-science, as many traits are entirely genetic, and at least some have more than
cosmetic significance (eg Tay-Sachs or sickle-cell, or pale-skinned tendencies to skin-cancer).

Culture = It's where you come from, like it or not.  Learn about others, try to make the one you
live in better, and try not to judge others', but trying to pretend there aren't any differences is
counterproductive.

Nation = a sometimes-useful administrative unit.  (See also: religion.)
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Andy Pants on September 22, 2008, 08:51:38 PM
If someone asked me this question in real life I'd punch them in the face. I come from a human race. The same one you do. What exactly is implied by all these labels? Isn't asking this sort of question and taking part in this kind of discussion just a massive act of sterotyping? Fuckit I'm not going to convert anyone. But my understanding is that ethnicity is a myth. The very idea of race as a scientific concept has been disproven agin and again. Two people from supposedly different races can have more genetically and socially similar charcteristics than two people from the same supposed race. It might be difficult to get your head around but its true. There are no ethnicities. Only imagined differences and (frequently-false) generalisations.

This is interesting for several reasons.  I would agree with you that race is a social construct.  Black or white is a non-helpful differentiation.  The idea of ethnicity however, or commonalities based on a shared culture and history and yes, some biological traits (increases in disease rates, etc.), is useful and often used in scientific settings (for example, genetics).

The other being I went to a talk today by a social psychologist who compares two models of diversity: color blindness (we are all the same) versus multiculturalism (we are all different and let's examine and celebrate difference).  What she found is people from majority ethnic groups tended to prefer the model of color blindness, whereas people in minority ethnic groups tended to prefer the model of multiculturalism.  Also, when she looked at business, people working in the higher status jobs tended to prefer color blindness and people working in lower status jobs tended to prefer multiculturalism.



I think there is a possible middle ground which you are ignoring. We are not all different, in that we live in a global community with increasing similarites. We are also all human beings and there are universal human experiences just as their are universal human ideas. And seeing as we are having this discussion in the context of a Westernised society, we are also living in a particular time and circumstance with particular popular values and ideas which previous generations of our families regardless of origin probably didn't identify with. And yet we are not all similar either, in that we frequently have what could be called 'cultural differences'.

However it's important to note that not all people identify with the supposed values of their culture, nationality, 'race or etnicity' or other hollow label. This is the problem with these words and ideas, they carry connotations and they generalise. It is not these groups with define our differences but rather individual choices. To either confirm or break out of sterotyped ideas and preconceived notions of how we should act or think.

I don't have a problem with the idea of cultural differences. I live in a multicultural society. It's called Earth But this is where the whole thing becomes rediculous. I don't have to purely adhere to the ideas of my supposedly specific culture or label, or in fact adhere to to those ideas at all if I choose. And so I should be able to define myself as anything. As soon as you accept one definition though it becomes impossible to become anything more, so the only way to truly be free is to break-down all definitions. Different sets of cultural ideas are fine. As long as they are open to anyone and only ever remain semi-permanent and therefore succeptible to change.

What I do have a problem with is when these cultural ideas are associated with labels of 'race or ethnicity' (same thing) and nationality. Specifically race or etnicity which as I've said is a BS construct.

For those of you who so strongly feel the need to put everyone into categories however just in case you were wondering  I am an atheistic-agnostic-buddhist-christian-aboriginal-romantic-nihilist-humanist-modernist-hipster-liberal-punk-conservative-communistic-eastern-western-shakespearian-european-american australian- jew and my ancestors came from Pangea.

And what do all these words mean? Fuck all, really. You know we all had the same common ancestors? So I guess you could say my original background is primate.

(Additional...)

"If asked to define yourself exactly, say you are an exact mathematician" - Bob Dylan
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Haushinka on September 22, 2008, 08:56:05 PM
But I'm proud of being Scottish. It's not my ethnicity, I live here, I'm the majority, but wherever I go I'm proud to tell people I'm Scottish. I think that's important for everyone.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Andy Pants on September 22, 2008, 09:02:08 PM
People keep telling me I live in a country called Australia
With these imaginary borders that I've never seen
I try to tell them I actually live in a house and that the house is named Berrel
But when I say I come from Berrel they don't know what I mean
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Haushinka on September 22, 2008, 09:07:47 PM
Okay, it's simple to look at the world as one big group of people.

But the minute you're stuck in a Polish football riot, in a plane queue with arabs, singing karaoke in a bar in Tokyo or celebrating St Patricks day in Dublin, all that falls down and you have to categorise by country.

I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Every country has their good and bads, and every country has people who are proud of and will die in their country. Like me.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Andy Pants on September 22, 2008, 11:08:24 PM
Hey don't question my patriotism.

I am proud to have been born in room 213 of the Nepean hospital Penrith. That is my nation and that is my country and the people born within it my people. I am proud to be a two-thirteenian. And if you're not a two-thirteenian then you wouldn't understand why. Sometimes people ask me 'what's so special about being born in room 213 anyway'? And I tell them 'that's a very un-two-thirteenian thing to say'. We even have a celebratory day every year called two-thirteenian day when we celebrate exactly what it means to be a two-thirteenian. It's on the 13th of February. (Think about it). And if I have to explain to you what it means, then you're obviously not a two-thirteenian. 

It's not all fun and games though. There are afterall good characteristics and bad characteristics WHICH EVERY SINGLE two-thirteenian has. For example none of us wear sunblock, we all have lupus and we never trust men in hats. But on the plus side we all have great hand-eye co-ordination. I haven't been back to room 213 since I was born and to tell you the truth I can't even remember anything about it, but I still feel like I have a special connection to that place for some reason. I hope to die in that room one day. And you can't take my pride about the random space that I happened to be born in away from me, no matter how irrational it is!
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Musings on September 22, 2008, 11:13:17 PM
Edit: I read some of your stuff above.

Let me ask you something.
How do you organize without categories?
How do gay people get a voice?  By identifying as gay and working together to be heard.
Categorizing can be empowering in some cases.

People should not be constrained by the categories they create, but they are useful.  I can meet someone, and because of our shared culture, we automatically have things in common that we can relate to, that we can talk about, that we understand. 
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Musings on September 22, 2008, 11:15:01 PM
in a plane queue with arabs.

Umm, what?
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: 85283-071 on September 23, 2008, 12:20:15 AM
Mr. Pants,

Reacting against every element of identification beyond the specifics of an individual, because some people use those identifying properties to discriminate, is ridiculously heavy-handed and narrow minded. My German ancestry doesn;t define who I am. I grew up in Washington DC, and that personal history plays a huge role in who I am. That doesn't mean I can't think it's neat to think about the ancestral path from which I sprung. That's all that's happening here. This isn't nationalism or racism or labeling at all. It's just discussion of something that's neat to think about. Nobody's buying the righteous nose punching rhetoric around here. In meatspace, I don't suppose you'd be well advised to act on such words either.

G'day.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Andy Pants on September 23, 2008, 12:31:37 AM
Edit: I read some of your stuff above.

Let me ask you something.
How do you organize without categories?
How do gay people get a voice?  By identifying as gay and working together to be heard.
Categorizing can be empowering in some cases.

People should not be constrained by the categories they create, but they are useful.  I can meet someone, and because of our shared culture, we automatically have things in common that we can relate to, that we can talk about, that we understand. 


The label 'gay' is also flawed and frequently an over-simplification in terms. Do bisexuals feel empowered by being refered to as gay? I certainly don't. I feel like I'm being put in a box. But then does that mean I'm not represented by the label? That would depend on individual interpretation. All of these labels are generalisations. But 'gay' deals with an actual tangible state of being. It relates to the actual actions/practices of a person. So I think it ought to be looked at in a different context.

The labels I'm talking about however are carry a number of different isuues as they are imagined distinctions. If you get to talking to people about these things you soon realise that a flag is just a symbol. And it symbolises something different to every person who looks at it. I personally refuse to be defined by something that's meaning can be manipulated so quickly and simply. My problem is not with labels but with untangible symbols with imagined meanings like 'race' and 'ethnicity' and yes even to some extent 'nationality'. What of it? I understand cultural or ideaological labels to some extent but these things are usually completely different. The ideas that these cultural or ideaological labels represent are have nothing to do with whatever nation you happen to live in or 'race or ethnicity' you supposedly belong to.

Anyway I think I've made my point.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Musings on September 23, 2008, 12:38:36 AM
All categories of people are oversimplifications as people are individuals.  But the point is labeling people into a group gives the community in which to be heard at times.  Gay is too broad, I agree (and should not have used as an example), but even the label LGBQT can feel constricting for some.  But a lot of good has come out of that categorization (no pun intended).

Ethnicity and nationality are two very important parts of identity for most people.  You might be able to deny it, but I would not be the same person if I was born and lived in a different nation or if I came from a different ethnic group.  I would not do the same things either, going back to your "gay" example.  Again, constraining yourself to one label or one group is not a good thing, but ignoring those differences is very dangerous.

And to say that culture and ideology don't come from nation or ethnic group?  Come on.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Andy Pants on September 23, 2008, 01:08:47 AM
Mr. Pants,

Reacting against every element of identification beyond the specifics of an individual, because some people use those identifying properties to discriminate, is ridiculously heavy-handed and narrow minded. My German ancestry doesn't define who I am. I grew up in Washington DC, and that personal history plays a huge role in who I am. That doesn't mean I can't think it's neat to think about the ancestral path from which I sprung. That's all that's happening here. This isn't nationalism or racism or labeling at all. It's just discussion of something that's neat to think about. Nobody's buying the righteous nose punching rhetoric around here. In meatspace, I don't suppose you'd be well advised to act on such words either.

G'day.

I think this conversation is actually a combination of all four of those things you mentioned. I also think it's more narrow-minded to label people rather than talk about specific concepts and ideas but you're entitled to your opinion. My opinion is simply that I would rather remain unlabelled or at least wear a series on contradicting labels instead. Asking this question therefore is akin to saying 'How should I generalise you'?

I don't mind people talking about what they think their heritage means to them personally. But this whole 'let's do a roll-call of the different races of people here' thing seems a little bit more nazi death-camp procedure than enlightened discussion. And I'm not kidding I probably really would punch anyone who had the nerve to ask me this question right in the face. Granted they weren't to much bigger than me. In which case I'd probably just make some snide comment and walk (run?) away. C'mon it's pretty unseemly. Can you imagine this as a real-world conversation starter? How about the weather today? Where did you get thet jacket? What race are you?

If you don't think there's something wrong with that, there's probably something wrong with you.

I think this thread only just became interesting. If you don't want to join in the discussion then have every right to just ignore it.

PS. I think it's neat to think about the ancestral path from which I sprung too. At some point I was realted to an amphibious fish that threw itself out of some slime onto a riverbank. No wonder I like swimming so much!

All categories of people are oversimplifications as people are individuals.  But the point is labeling people into a group gives the community in which to be heard at times.  Gay is too broad, I agree (and should not have used as an example), but even the label LGBQT can feel constricting for some.  But a lot of good has come out of that categorization (no pun intended).

Ethnicity and nationality are two very important parts of identity for most people.  You might be able to deny it, but I would not be the same person if I was born and lived in a different nation or if I came from a different ethnic group.  I would not do the same things either, going back to your "gay" example.  Again, constraining yourself to one label or one group is not a good thing, but ignoring those differences is very dangerous.

And to say that culture and ideology don't come from nation or ethnic group?  Come on.

I see your point. And I do agree that some cultural and ideaological ideas are related to nationality. But we live in a  world which is becomming increasingly globalised these national boundaries are starting to break down more and more rapidly. And sometimes now there is even greater diversity within nations than there is between them. I don't however believe that these ideas are at all related to ethincity and I maintain that.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on September 23, 2008, 06:33:13 AM
I am an amateur genealogist; I think searching for answers and talking with long-lost cousins is exciting and interesting.  Acquiring a photograph of a great great grandmother and looking at the facial features that have been passed down is a very surreal experience;  I don't believe that the answers I uncover are truly important to who I am as a person but it gives me a strong sense of identity to see where my ancestors came from and learn about why I am where I am; the reasons I came to be, etc.

I'm sure many people here would say that it was not important to who I am as a person and I would have agreed and to an extent I still do; I now have a much greater appreciation for this sort of information, though.

Above all, I am a Euro-American, and a direct descendant of Mary Chilton who was the first woman to step foot off of the Mayflower. (Yes, a pushy bastard.) I am fifty percent Portuguese to my knowledge, and 50% et cetera.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Haushinka on September 23, 2008, 07:18:03 AM
in a plane queue with arabs.

Umm, what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z6wTdeMbqA

ANd if you want to know why ethnicity and background are important you should watch the rest of his show, "No Agenda".
He'll put right anybody who believes it's not important.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Musings on September 23, 2008, 08:14:25 AM
And I do agree that some cultural and ideaological ideas are related to nationality. I don't however believe that these ideas are at all related to ethincity and I maintain that.


Say I am American, but I also have French ancestors.  Are you saying none of my cultural ideas might come from being part of a larger French group?  In fact, I might identify with being French before I identify with being American.

Edit: Changed Algerian to French, because Algerian is a nationality, not an ethnicity (duh.).
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Rob on September 23, 2008, 10:06:07 AM
Uhhh... Seven of nine...?
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Andy Pants on September 24, 2008, 12:34:59 AM
And I do agree that some cultural and ideaological ideas are related to nationality. I don't however believe that these ideas are at all related to ethincity and I maintain that.


Say I am American, but I also have French ancestors.  Are you saying none of my cultural ideas might come from being part of a larger French group?  In fact, I might identify with being French before I identify with being American.

Edit: Changed Algerian to French, because Algerian is a nationality, not an ethnicity (duh.).

What logic brought you to that conclusion? Who decides what an ethnicity is and isn't? As I've already said there are no scientific racial definitions and even sociologists who believe in the existence of ethnicity (the minority) fail to come up with definition that makes sense.

Additionally who decides what a French cultural idea is? Why in your mind does it continue to be a French idea when it's been adopted in another country? What if the specific idea your thinking about actually originated somewhere else? Does this mean that the French cultural ideas you've brought to America are now American cultural ideas? Or do they have to be the most popular ideas in a country to be considered ideas of that culture? What if someone born in America holds none of the popular cultural ideas of that country? Does that make him or her any less of an American?

Why are supposed national boundaries considered cultural boundaries? Isn't a bureacrat in Paris likely to have a completely different culture to a farmer in Marseille? Isn't the bureacrat more likely to have more ideas in common with a bureacrat in London?

I think far too much emphasis is based on nationality when talking about cultural differences. That's not to say I don't believe any cultural ideas are more likely to be found in a particular nation-state as oposed to somewhere else. Merely that I don't believe nationality should be considered a defining characteristic. This is a completely different issue to 'etnicity' however.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: 85283-071 on September 24, 2008, 03:36:41 PM
I have discussed lineage with many people in the flesh. I have never, ever encountered a person who was bothered by it. I'm have blonde hair. You could call that a label, or you could just call it a fact. So, what is the difference? It's a fact. It's a label. How do we decide when facts become labels? The difference has to do with how that information is processed. By reacting to the idea in a hostile manner, you are assuming the worst interpretation there is. You are letting it be an issue. People speak according to their perspectives. If you hold it against them, you have issues as big as theirs... probably bigger. If you let it stir you to violence, you are an asshole.

THAT'S a label.

We are not all different, in that we live in a global community with increasing similarites.


To be similar, something must be different. To increase in similarity, something must have been even more different. Also, you could argue that, in many ways, people are as different as they ever were. It all depends on the markers you use.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Andy Pants on September 24, 2008, 08:58:18 PM
APPLAUDS.

You've successfully insulted me without answering any of my questions and shirking the issue entirely.

Youy sir are the asshole.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: 85283-071 on September 24, 2008, 09:09:42 PM
You didn't ask me the questions. My answer would be, "Nothing" to all those questions. What if? What if you like french food, but your father lives in Spain? What if you wear traditional Japanese clothing... but in Nebraska? Does that make it plainswear?

What's your nationality/ethnicity/background?

That was the question. No one asked, "What stereotype do you fit, and which set of notions can wwe apply to you instead of judging you on your personal merits?"

You added that spirit to it. I am criticizing you because you are being reactionary.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Kovacs on September 24, 2008, 09:30:25 PM
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But this whole 'let's do a roll-call of the different races of people here' thing seems a little bit more nazi death-camp procedure than enlightened discussion

I think that just refuted every argument you might be proposing. Really? I see what you're getting at, but man, you're really drawing some conclusions about the people asking this question.

In fact, I'd say you're doing the generalization here, assuming that if I ask someone where they're from I'm immediately labeling them.

I had a conversation with my coworker from Germany today about her trip to said country. We've discussed her culture on several occasions, all friendly and insightful. Another coworker is Iranian, and we discuss his culture all the time. You would never have these conversations.

I really think you're limiting yourself by taking this as such a bad thing. If someone asked you about your heritage in an effort to get to know you better, you'd react with violence? Who has the problem exactly?
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Andy Pants on September 24, 2008, 09:45:57 PM
I am criticizing you because you are being reactionary.

Maybe you should try criticising me based on my arguments and their merit instead.

What's your nationality/ethnicity/background?

That was the question.

I know that was the question. I am expressing the opinion that that question is flawed as nationality tells you nothing about a person unless you like to stereotype people. Nations are not rigid social constructs with one particular set of cultural ideas.

I am also arguing that ethnicity doesn't actually exist, it is an imagined disctinction, which is a concept you seem incapable of comprehending and have attacked but haven't provided even a basic argument against. Are you seriously arguing that your ethnicity is blonde? This isn't a thread about hair colour. It's a thread about the supposed concept of ethnicity. And so your argument proves nothing.

My ethnicity is human, my nationality is irrelevant. If you'd have bothered to actually read my posts. You would already understand that this is the argument I am trying to make. But then I think you do understand this, you're just attacking me (not criticing as you don't actually have any criticisms) as you said, for being 'reactionary'. In other words for having a different opinion to most of the people here. I think this makes you the hostile asshole not me.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Musings on September 24, 2008, 10:04:48 PM
Trying arguing to someone who is from a country in a civil war that ethnicity and nationality does not matter.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Andy Pants on September 24, 2008, 10:12:26 PM
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But this whole 'let's do a roll-call of the different races of people here' thing seems a little bit more nazi death-camp procedure than enlightened discussion

I think that just refuted every argument you might be proposing. Really? I see what you're getting at, but man, you're really drawing some conclusions about the people asking this question.

In fact, I'd say you're doing the generalization here, assuming that if I ask someone where they're from I'm immediately labeling them.

I had a conversation with my coworker from Germany today about her trip to said country. We've discussed her culture on several occasions, all friendly and insightful. Another coworker is Iranian, and we discuss his culture all the time. You would never have these conversations.

I really think you're limiting yourself by taking this as such a bad thing. If someone asked you about your heritage in an effort to get to know you better, you'd react with violence? Who has the problem exactly?

I feel like I'm talking to the void.

Just because my nationality has almost nothing to do with my culture doesn't mean that I don't have a culture. The problem is in the presumption that these things are one and the same. Not all people hold the idea that they are somehow defined by their heritage. The assumption that they do is the problem, and the problem is (amongst others) yours. Perhaps it's a problem of greater society in general? I don't know, I wouldn't have the relevant statistics to back that up.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Andy Pants on September 24, 2008, 10:17:31 PM
Trying arguing to someone who is from a country in a civil war that ethnicity and nationality does not matter.

That doesn't make any sense. In a COUNTRY in the midst of civil war everyone would still technically have the same nationality. For this reason they would probably be even more inclined to argue that nationality is irrelevant. And ethnicity would still be an imagined construct, only possible more rigidly enforced.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: 85283-071 on September 24, 2008, 10:25:26 PM
The merit of your argument? You are implying that there is something sinister in a conversation about lineage and the geographic and cultural ancestry of individuals. I (and others) are pointing out that such conversations take place all the time without sinister overtures. It is just conversation. From that perspective, your argument has no merit. What point are you making that I would have to counter? That race is a social construct? You're preaching to the choir. I don't believe that there is really such a thing as race. That cultural background does not define someone? I have felt that way for decades. I agree with many of your premises, but they do not add up to your conclusion.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Kovacs on September 24, 2008, 10:28:23 PM
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But this whole 'let's do a roll-call of the different races of people here' thing seems a little bit more nazi death-camp procedure than enlightened discussion

I think that just refuted every argument you might be proposing. Really? I see what you're getting at, but man, you're really drawing some conclusions about the people asking this question.

In fact, I'd say you're doing the generalization here, assuming that if I ask someone where they're from I'm immediately labeling them.

I had a conversation with my coworker from Germany today about her trip to said country. We've discussed her culture on several occasions, all friendly and insightful. Another coworker is Iranian, and we discuss his culture all the time. You would never have these conversations.

I really think you're limiting yourself by taking this as such a bad thing. If someone asked you about your heritage in an effort to get to know you better, you'd react with violence? Who has the problem exactly?

I feel like I'm talking to the void.

Just because my nationality has almost nothing to do with my culture doesn't mean that I don't have a culture. The problem is in the presumption that these things are one and the same. Not all people hold the idea that they are somehow defined by their heritage. The assumption that they do is the problem, and the problem is (amongst others) yours. Perhaps it's a problem of greater society in general? I don't know, I wouldn't have the relevant statistics to back that up.

Huh. When did I say they were defined by it? You're again, assuming that if I ask that question, I'm placing this person into a role. I'm not, I'm trying to get to know them better. Its an aspect of peoples culture in most cases, and a valid question to ask that leads to a lot of insight. It's not as angry a question as you're making it out to be.

You're taking your case of vehemently not being defined by your heritage and being pretty irrational about it, honestly.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Andy Pants on September 24, 2008, 10:38:52 PM
The merit of your argument? You are implying that there is something sinister in a conversation about lineage and the geographic and cultural ancestry of individuals. I (and others) are pointing out that such conversations take place all the time without sinister overtures. It is just conversation. From that perspective, your argument has no merit. What point are you making that I would have to counter? That race is a social construct? You're preaching to the choir. I don't believe that there is really such a thing as race. That cultural background does not define someone? I have felt that way for decades. I agree with many of your premises, but they do not add up to your conclusion.

I disagree. Just because the stereotyping is subliminal doesn't necessarily mean it isn't there. The problem is caused by the way we view these various concepts as rigid and definitive.

I understand that it's a minority viewpoint but I reserve the right to this opinion as I don't believe simply being in the minority is reason enough to discredit this particular idea. You aren't obligated agree with me. And yes I am being highly hyperbolic about this whole thing.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Musings on September 24, 2008, 10:49:41 PM
Trying arguing to someone who is from a country in a civil war that ethnicity and nationality does not matter.

That doesn't make any sense. In a COUNTRY in the midst of civil war everyone would still technically have the same nationality. For this reason they would probably be even more inclined to argue that nationality is irrelevant. And ethnicity would still be an imagined construct, only possible more rigidly enforced.

Nationality, to me, is based on citizenship and residence.  Ethnicity is based on heritage and lineage.

In a civil war, there are several issues at play -- economic/social/religious/ethnic and the idea of who belongs to a nation and who feels excluded.

Maybe those boundaries shouldn't be concrete; but to ignore them and call them irrelevant is a very very dangerous thing to do.

Outside of civil war, ethnicity and nationality are a part of personal narratives, perhaps for some a larger part than for others.  Again, to ignore that, is dangerous and ignorant. 

Ultimately, by saying there is no such thing as ethnicity and nationality and it is not real, you are imposing your own beliefs and the way you wish to "label" yourself on a very large group of people who do subscribe to those two things in one way or another, and do consider it important.  Thus, in an attempt to break down barriers, you are just being blind to important differences that could actually help do that.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: yosmark on September 24, 2008, 10:51:36 PM
No Nationallity bah, let there be no money  :-\
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: dangerpants on September 24, 2008, 10:55:16 PM
Maybe those boundaries shouldn't be concrete; but to ignore them and call them irrelevant is a very very dangerous thing to do.

You're missing the big point here, Musings. Someone may kill another person for being a different color, but since they share more genetics than their neighbor down the street, the difference is imaginary, so it's simply murder, not genocide. Just like acknowledging the difference in skin tone between myself and Morgan Freeman. The difference is imaginary. We're all the same color, the color of love.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: 85283-071 on September 24, 2008, 10:58:39 PM
Just because the stereotyping is subliminal doesn't necessarily mean it isn't there.

...and trying to eliminate any and all reference points to which someone might attach a stereotype does not accomplish the goal. Just because you refer to people without a mention of race, ethnic background, culture or history does not mean stereotyping isn't there.

In one post, you ask me to address the merit of your argument. In the next, you state that you are hyperbolizing. You can't expect someone to address your arguments articulately if you refuse to define them honestly.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Andy Pants on September 24, 2008, 11:06:37 PM

Huh. When did I say they were defined by it? You're again, assuming that if I ask that question, I'm placing this person into a role. I'm not, I'm trying to get to know them better. Its an aspect of peoples culture in most cases, and a valid question to ask that leads to a lot of insight. It's not as angry a question as you're making it out to be.

You're taking your case of vehemently not being defined by your heritage and being pretty irrational about it, honestly.

You don't really understand what a 'presumption' is do you?

I am not 'vehemently' making a case about anything. I expressed an opinion and I was questioned about it, so I responded. And I think I'm being perefectly rational and reasonably about it. You can critcise/argue with me all you want. But I reserve the right to respond in a reasonable manner.

Trying arguing to someone who is from a country in a civil war that ethnicity and nationality does not matter.

That doesn't make any sense. In a COUNTRY in the midst of civil war everyone would still technically have the same nationality. For this reason they would probably be even more inclined to argue that nationality is irrelevant. And ethnicity would still be an imagined construct, only possible more rigidly enforced.

Nationality, to me, is based on citizenship and residence.  Ethnicity is based on heritage and lineage.

In a civil war, there are several issues at play -- economic/social/religious/ethnic and the idea of who belongs to a nation and who feels excluded.

Maybe those boundaries shouldn't be concrete; but to ignore them and call them irrelevant is a very very dangerous thing to do.

Outside of civil war, ethnicity and nationality are a part of personal narratives, perhaps for some a larger part than for others.  Again, to ignore that, is dangerous and ignorant. 

Ultimately, by saying there is no such thing as ethnicity and nationality and it is not real, you are imposing your own beliefs and the way you wish to "label" yourself on a very large group of people who do subscribe to those two things in one way or another, and do consider it important.  Thus, in an attempt to break down barriers, you are just being blind to important differences that could actually help do that.

I agree with your definition of nationality but most of the sociologists I have spoken to have said that ethnicity is actually more of just a synonym for 'race'.

But concerning the idea of who belongs to a nation and who feels excluded. You're right, it is merely an idea. If a populace refuses to acknowledge a government it fails. If they refuse to be a part of a particular nation they become independant. I never argued that nationality doesn't exist. Merely that it's not necessarily realted to the concept of culture. And therefore irrelevant to defining a person.

I actually believe it's dangerous to put too much emphasis on these boundaries, especially since many of them are imagined (ethnicity). And some of them are not as tangible as they might seem (nationality). In my opinion it is over-emphasis on these boundaries which actually lead to conflicts. But that's where we differ. As for 'personal narratives', I don't think they're natural but are atually enforced. And frequently used as a political tool to segregate rather than unify.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Andy Pants on September 24, 2008, 11:12:25 PM
Maybe those boundaries shouldn't be concrete; but to ignore them and call them irrelevant is a very very dangerous thing to do.

You're missing the big point here, Musings. Someone may kill another person for being a different color, but since they share more genetics than their neighbor down the street, the difference is imaginary, so it's simply murder, not genocide. Just like acknowledging the difference in skin tone between myself and Morgan Freeman. The difference is imaginary. We're all the same color, the color of love.

I think generally genocide involves the killing of more than one person. But no, you're right I must be the idiot here not you.  O0.

There is a difference between acknowledging differences in physical characteristics and placing people in different racial categories. Can you give me a decent scientifically accurate list of racial categories and criteria for placing people within them? I'll give you a minute if you want to google it.

...

I won't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Musings on September 24, 2008, 11:20:37 PM
I think to me race is far broader than ethnicity, and that's where it ultimately fails.

Groups created based on ethnicity tend to be more self-selected, whereas racial groups are other selected, and other defined.  That's the way I see it.

Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Andy Pants on September 24, 2008, 11:22:15 PM
Just because the stereotyping is subliminal doesn't necessarily mean it isn't there.

...and trying to eliminate any and all reference points to which someone might attach a stereotype does not accomplish the goal. Just because you refer to people without a mention of race, ethnic background, culture or history does not mean stereotyping isn't there.

In one post, you ask me to address the merit of your argument. In the next, you state that you are hyperbolizing. You can't expect someone to address your arguments articulately if you refuse to define them honestly.

Have you ever noticed that when people are confronted by an idea that isn't their own and that they can't come up with an intelligent response to, they start attacking the person they're arguing with for their method of arguing as oposed to their actual ideas?

No?

Maybe it's just me then.

My argument = there is no such thing as race or ethnicity. So asking someone what their race or ethnicity is in itself an act of sterotyping. Prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Kovacs on September 24, 2008, 11:34:02 PM

Huh. When did I say they were defined by it? You're again, assuming that if I ask that question, I'm placing this person into a role. I'm not, I'm trying to get to know them better. Its an aspect of peoples culture in most cases, and a valid question to ask that leads to a lot of insight. It's not as angry a question as you're making it out to be.

You're taking your case of vehemently not being defined by your heritage and being pretty irrational about it, honestly.

You don't really understand what a 'presumption' is do you?

Nope. You got me. The tone ends up being fairly ironic after your recent definition of ad hominem though, thanks for the laugh.  :)

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I am not 'vehemently' making a case about anything. I expressed an opinion and I was questioned about it, so I responded. And I think I'm being perefectly rational and reasonably about it. You can critcise/argue with me all you want. But I reserve the right to respond in a reasonable manner.

"I have a right to my opinion" isn't even an argument. I don't see your point in stating it. Of course you have a right to it. So do I, and I'm not in any way trying to repress yours.

And I can see your points in the non-existence of race and ethnicity. My point is that you're portraying anyone who doesn't agree with you as something they're very likely not to be. You can argue the non-existence all you like, I'm saying that those who do believe it exists see it more as a descriptor than a profile. Not always, agreed. But certainly enough that punching someone in the face for asking you your ethnicity is what I stated: irrational.

Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Musings on September 24, 2008, 11:35:07 PM
Ethnicity: based on culture, language, physical characteristics, biological characteristics including higher or lower incidence of disease & shared genetic history, place of origin

If I have all of that in common with someone, and I choose to put myself in a group or label myself based on that commonality, because group politics sometimes can make way for a louder voice and greater participation, because ethnic similarities do bring about feelings of shared history and family and community, then by not recognizing ethnicity, you are not recognizing an important part of who I am and how I identify, and why I consider myself different from you and your struggles and your community.

Sure, you are being ethnic-blind.  But you're also just being blind.

Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: 85283-071 on September 24, 2008, 11:47:53 PM
My argument = there is no such thing as race or ethnicity. So asking someone what their race or ethnicity is in itself an act of sterotyping. Prove me wrong.

I already stated that I believe the definitions of race are fabricated. Race wasn't even part of the original question asked here. Ethnicity? That's as real as we make it with our definition. A group of people sharing traits, background, allegiance, or association? It exists. Fact. If we associate ourselves with a group, it is valid. Fact. Asking someone their ethnicity is NOT stereotyping. It is asking about a person's identity. Stereotyping would be making associations based on the answers. That's also fact.

Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: J_Beck on September 25, 2008, 01:16:50 AM
Maybe those boundaries shouldn't be concrete; but to ignore them and call them irrelevant is a very very dangerous thing to do.

You're missing the big point here, Musings. Someone may kill another person for being a different color, but since they share more genetics than their neighbor down the street, the difference is imaginary, so it's simply murder, not genocide. Just like acknowledging the difference in skin tone between myself and Morgan Freeman. The difference is imaginary. We're all the same color, the color of love.

I think generally genocide involves the killing of more than one person. But no, you're right I must be the idiot here not you.  O0.

There is a difference between acknowledging differences in physical characteristics and placing people in different racial categories. Can you give me a decent scientifically accurate list of racial categories and criteria for placing people within them? I'll give you a minute if you want to google it.

...

I won't hold my breath.


Would social, religious, and genetic work?

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Efforts to identify the origins of Ashkenazi Jews through DNA analysis began in the 1990s. Like most DNA studies of human migration patterns, these studies have focused on two segments of the human genome, the Y chromosome (inherited only by males), and the mitochondrial genome (mtDNA, DNA which passes from mother to child). Both segments are unaffected by recombination. Thus, they provide an indicator of paternal and maternal origins, respectively.

A study of haplotypes of the Y chromosome, published in 2000, addressed the paternal origins of Ashkenazi Jews. Hammer et al[16] found that the Y chromosome of some Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews contained mutations that are also common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population. This suggested that the male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews could be traced mostly to the Middle East. The proportion of male genetic admixture in Ashkenazi Jews amounts to less than 0.5% per generation over an estimated 80 generations, with "relatively minor contribution of European Y chromosomes to the Ashkenazim," and a total admixture estimate "very similar to Motulsky's average estimate of 12.5%." This supported the finding that "Diaspora Jews from Europe, Northwest Africa, and the Near East resemble each other more closely than they resemble their non-Jewish neighbors."


Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: The Angel Raliel on September 25, 2008, 02:56:39 AM
(http://tibet.cn/en/news/otn/W020061102379883401094.jpg)
(http://www.saveamericasforests.org/Yasuni/News/Articles/Clips/7-14-05%20ENS%20Amazon%20Tribe%20Demands%20Moratorium_clip_image001.jpg)
these people believe in cultural identity, is that bad?
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: caddy on September 25, 2008, 03:55:27 AM
it's comforting to know i'm the only black chick on the 'box.  *sarcasmsiren*

well, i've got family from blacks, Jews, whites, and apparently creoles.  would make sense, since both sides of my family come from that part of the South.  nonetheless, i'd be a Negro in the state of Georgia.

although, i do like what Andy is saying, and part of me agrees.  it seems like the minute somebody realizes your race, you're bound to whatever stereotypes occur within that spectrum.  i cannot count the amount of times some stupid person has imitated "Shenaynay" with me, just because i'm black, and they wanted to crack a joke, or assume that i may behave that way.  or the assumption that i listen to hip hop, can dance very well, or sing like Aretha Franklin, just because i'm a singer, and i'm black.  my musical theatre teacher once told me, after a piece, that next time i sang it, to sing it like Aretha.  it's even worse when you have black people who assume that just because you're black, you happily fit into the stereotypes as well.

even outside of that, i've seen people of many races reject their stereotypes, and get shit from those within their race, simply because -they- chose to not just accept them, but obey them religiously.  it makes self-definition almost impossible when you have your race telling you to obey the stereotypes, and then you have other races berating you for not obeying the stereotypes.

perfect example--wiggers.  white people who want to listen to hip hop, and follow the culture.  i, personally, have no issue with these people.  i think sometimes they take the stereotypes WAY too far to the point of being insulting, but whatever.  i don't care.  i just find it so sad when white/black people insult them because, "ZOMG they're trying to act black!"  so the fuck what?  who cares?  you aren't them, and you don't know shit about them.

same with blacks who listen to metal and punk rock, and get insulted for listening to "white peoplez devil music".  my mother STILL calls it that, to this day.  it's shameful.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Musings on September 25, 2008, 06:19:00 AM
Quote
Efforts to identify the origins of Ashkenazi Jews through DNA analysis began in the 1990s. Like most DNA studies of human migration patterns, these studies have focused on two segments of the human genome, the Y chromosome (inherited only by males), and the mitochondrial genome (mtDNA, DNA which passes from mother to child). Both segments are unaffected by recombination. Thus, they provide an indicator of paternal and maternal origins, respectively.

A study of haplotypes of the Y chromosome, published in 2000, addressed the paternal origins of Ashkenazi Jews. Hammer et al[16] found that the Y chromosome of some Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews contained mutations that are also common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population. This suggested that the male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews could be traced mostly to the Middle East. The proportion of male genetic admixture in Ashkenazi Jews amounts to less than 0.5% per generation over an estimated 80 generations, with "relatively minor contribution of European Y chromosomes to the Ashkenazim," and a total admixture estimate "very similar to Motulsky's average estimate of 12.5%." This supported the finding that "Diaspora Jews from Europe, Northwest Africa, and the Near East resemble each other more closely than they resemble their non-Jewish neighbors."

Ah! Was looking for the Ashkenazi Jew example, could not remember how to spell Ashkenazi.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: J_Beck on September 25, 2008, 09:05:49 AM
Quote
Efforts to identify the origins of Ashkenazi Jews through DNA analysis began in the 1990s. Like most DNA studies of human migration patterns, these studies have focused on two segments of the human genome, the Y chromosome (inherited only by males), and the mitochondrial genome (mtDNA, DNA which passes from mother to child). Both segments are unaffected by recombination. Thus, they provide an indicator of paternal and maternal origins, respectively.

A study of haplotypes of the Y chromosome, published in 2000, addressed the paternal origins of Ashkenazi Jews. Hammer et al[16] found that the Y chromosome of some Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews contained mutations that are also common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population. This suggested that the male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews could be traced mostly to the Middle East. The proportion of male genetic admixture in Ashkenazi Jews amounts to less than 0.5% per generation over an estimated 80 generations, with "relatively minor contribution of European Y chromosomes to the Ashkenazim," and a total admixture estimate "very similar to Motulsky's average estimate of 12.5%." This supported the finding that "Diaspora Jews from Europe, Northwest Africa, and the Near East resemble each other more closely than they resemble their non-Jewish neighbors."

Ah! Was looking for the Ashkenazi Jew example, could not remember how to spell Ashkenazi.

No problem, whenver you got a question about judens, delicatessen , or just want to start a hora, you know who to call.

(plus hora's are amazing at cocnerts, it turns out to be a very different experience than the ones of youth, tons of 20's and 30's people drunk dancing in a circle, could be nothing better)
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: livorna on September 25, 2008, 09:59:54 AM
I am officially 1/2 white and 1/2 creole
in reality I'm a mixture of pretty much every race there is to some extent
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: CeeGBee on September 25, 2008, 12:53:20 PM
A lovely op-ed bit from today's NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/25/opinion/25Cohen.html?th&emc=th) on "American Exceptionalism"....


(...a sample...)
Quote from: John McCain
I do believe in American exceptionalism. We are the only nation I know that really is deeply concerned
about adhering to the principle that all of us are created equal.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: The King of Carrot Flowers on September 25, 2008, 01:19:48 PM
I am Irish, French, Polish, German and Swedish.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: dangerpants on September 25, 2008, 06:41:53 PM
I think generally genocide involves the killing of more than one person. But no, you're right I must be the idiot here not you.  O0.

That wouldn't make any sense. If that were true, then what's going on in Darfur IS genocide, but if you were to pick any one random dead person out of the list of their dead, they could not be classified as a victim of genocide. See what I mean?
So are you implying that it wasn't ok for me to poke fun at you with humor? Because you did it very many times in this thread... I assumed it meant that behavior was perfectly kosher.

And please do hold your breath. One less brick wall for us to deal with.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: 85283-071 on September 25, 2008, 08:44:07 PM
"Let's go get something to eat."

"OK. I'm in the mood for something ethnic. What sort of cusine would suit you tonight?"

*punches and yells at limp body on ground* "Food isn't ethnic. It's just food! So, if a Danish person loves Chinese food, does it then become Danish food?!"

"I just wanted something tasty." *cowers*

"Fuck your tasty! Your dinner oppresses minorities... which don't exist... because we are all becoming more similar every day."

"Would fusion be ok then?"
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Haushinka on September 25, 2008, 08:45:16 PM
Andy Pants, I'm interested to know exactly where you are from (ie what country you are from, no sarcastic "I was born in room....").
I'd also like to know if you've had this conversation with your parents, and what their opinions are.

I'm proud of my parents. I'm proud of what they have done for themselves and my siblings and myself. And I think they want me to be proud of them. The same goes for them and their parents, which is where my heritage starts. The line of parents is infinite, and becomes ethnicity and race.

TO argue that humanity is itself the one and only race there is is futile. I don't know why I look like I do and why eastern asians look like they do. But I'm pretty sure that the reason why can be used to define ME, to define White, Black, Red, Yellow, whatever the hell your skin colour, your facial structure, the way you speak and act and what you like to eat and why it is different all around the world.

I grew up eating potatoes and mince. Someone in say, Thailand, would have grown up eating jasmine rice and coconut curries. IT has been this way for generations and this is why Scottish peaople aren't so tall. I could go on forever, but where I live in the world, my lineage, my heritage and my NATIONALITY are things I am proud of. There is nothing wrong with it.

If my mind were fixed on the "big picture", on how the human race is one defined entity, then life wouldn't be that great. All the great comedy comes from our differences, many of my day to day conversations are aout how people grew up and why they behave like they do as a result of their background.

Anyway I acknowledge your point you undying Hippie (I mean that affectionately), but please acknowledge everyone elses. it's infuriating to converse with someone as stubborn as you.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Kovacs on September 25, 2008, 08:48:30 PM
The phrase "Fuck your tasty" makes me so, so sad.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: yosmark on September 25, 2008, 08:52:03 PM
Andy Pants, I'm interested to know exactly where you are from (ie what country you are from, no sarcastic "I was born in room....").
I'd also like to know if you've had this conversation with your parents, and what their opinions are.

Yeah, so do I, and Mr. Pants, do you like or dislike Science in General? & Do you practice a Relgion?
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: 85283-071 on September 25, 2008, 09:07:48 PM
The phrase "Fuck your tasty" makes me so, so sad.

Don't ask me to diagram it.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: ___ampersand on September 27, 2008, 04:17:42 PM
Portuguese, Brazilian, Nigerian, Italian, Greek, Spanish, Mexican, and Argentinean.

Pretty much, I'm destined to have big hips, a huge ass, and wicked talent in the kitchen.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: $ethie on September 28, 2008, 04:16:35 AM
Eastern European mongrel.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Molotovna on September 28, 2008, 11:27:05 AM
Portuguese, Brazilian, Nigerian, Italian, Greek, Spanish, Mexican, and Argentinean.

Pretty much, I'm destined to have big hips, a huge ass, and wicked talent in the kitchen.

Join the club!
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: menopause on September 28, 2008, 11:36:39 AM
Lets see, Holland's where the surname comes from, .... my mother is from Colombia.... I did this once for school and it was something like 27 and that made almost everyone elses look like a tiny bump on the graph -- in other words I'm a monster.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: 85283-071 on September 28, 2008, 02:55:36 PM
Portuguese, Brazilian, Nigerian, Italian, Greek, Spanish, Mexican, and Argentinean.

Pretty much, I'm destined to have big hips, a huge ass, and wicked talent in the kitchen.

Join the club!

there's a club for Portuguese, Brazilian, Nigerian, Italian, Greek, Spanish, Mexican Argentines?
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: *Lillifee* on September 28, 2008, 03:58:17 PM
Portuguese, Brazilian, Nigerian, Italian, Greek, Spanish, Mexican, and Argentinean.

Pretty much, I'm destined to have big hips, a huge ass, and wicked talent in the kitchen.

Join the club!

there's a club for Portuguese, Brazilian, Nigerian, Italian, Greek, Spanish, Mexican Argentines?

i thought it's referred to the "big hips", "huge ass" and "wicked talent in the kitchen" ...
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Suih on September 28, 2008, 07:02:46 PM
*hmm*
I'm an Austrian girl living in the US.

My grandfather was Hungarian, but actually he was German and his family moved to Hungary, when he was a kid (or something).

My grandmothers mum and also my grandfathers mum were Czech, but at that time everything belonged to the Austrian Monarchy, so i guess that doesn't really count...
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: ___ampersand on September 28, 2008, 07:10:13 PM
Portuguese, Brazilian, Nigerian, Italian, Greek, Spanish, Mexican, and Argentinean.

Pretty much, I'm destined to have big hips, a huge ass, and wicked talent in the kitchen.

Join the club!

there's a club for Portuguese, Brazilian, Nigerian, Italian, Greek, Spanish, Mexican Argentines?

i thought it's referred to the "big hips", "huge ass" and "wicked talent in the kitchen" ...
Amen.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Andy Pants on September 30, 2008, 01:42:31 AM
Fine I'll leave you to get on with your racial profiling categorising on your own.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: 85283-071 on September 30, 2008, 02:04:50 AM
Profiling. Of course.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: caddy on September 30, 2008, 02:08:39 AM
i'm still surprised that there are no other black people on here.  ugh.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: CeeGBee on September 30, 2008, 02:21:35 AM
i'm still surprised that there are no other black people on here.  ugh.
There aren't?  Fer real?
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: caddy on September 30, 2008, 03:36:20 AM
i'm still surprised that there are no other black people on here.  ugh.
There aren't?  Fer real?

*blinks*  "fer real"?

anyways, i've read through every single person, and so far if there are, they haven't said anything.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Haushinka on September 30, 2008, 06:50:55 AM
i'm still surprised that there are no other black people on here.  ugh.
There aren't?  Fer real?

*blinks*  "fer real"?

anyways, i've read through every single person, and so far if there are, they haven't said anything.

I can pretend to be black? But I think It would be pretty embarassingly bad.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Musings on September 30, 2008, 07:06:01 AM
Fine I'll leave you to get on with your racial profiling categorising on your own.

Racial profiling?  Am I about to get searched on the Shadowbox?  I never knew...
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: CeeGBee on September 30, 2008, 10:21:40 AM
Fine I'll leave you to get on with your racial profiling categorising on your own.

Racial profiling?  Am I about to get searched on the Shadowbox?  I never knew...
It's only because we know you're planning to use that balloon-contraption to carry out a
terrorist plot...  All big-bunch-of-helium-balloon flyers are terrorists at heart, just waiting
to strike.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: caddy on September 30, 2008, 02:22:59 PM
i'm still surprised that there are no other black people on here.  ugh.
There aren't?  Fer real?

*blinks*  "fer real"?

anyways, i've read through every single person, and so far if there are, they haven't said anything.

I can pretend to be black? But I think It would be pretty embarassingly bad.

*blinks*  you know....not all black people walk and talk like Shaniqua.  *laughs*  thanks for the support.  well, at least thanks for taking me somewhat seriously, where everybody else seems to just ignore my posts in this thread.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: CeeGBee on September 30, 2008, 03:01:47 PM
i'm still surprised that there are no other black people on here.  ugh.
There aren't?  Fer real?

*blinks*  "fer real"?

anyways, i've read through every single person, and so far if there are, they haven't said anything.

I can pretend to be black? But I think It would be pretty embarassingly bad.

*blinks*  you know....not all black people walk and talk like Shaniqua.  *laughs*  thanks for the support.  well, at least thanks for taking me somewhat seriously, where everybody else seems to just ignore my posts in this thread.
didja ever see a movie called The Commitments
It's a small thing, but perhaps relevant to this whole thread...  in a way... from a certain perspective... maybe.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Haushinka on September 30, 2008, 03:03:13 PM
You could always pretend to be Scottish?
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: caddy on September 30, 2008, 03:11:45 PM
Haushinka, i don't want to pretend to be Scottish.  i like being black.  =(
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Haushinka on September 30, 2008, 03:15:25 PM
I hate how AndyPants is just gonna ignore this now. I wanna know why he's such a fucking Hippie.
Everyone here has said that they like if not love heir background.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: caddy on September 30, 2008, 03:31:54 PM
i...don't know if that is what he was trying to get across.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: CeeGBee on September 30, 2008, 03:48:25 PM
Naw, see...  I love MY background, but you suck cuz your background is different...



....or maybe it's gee, I wish I could be 100% Scottish, instead of a watered-down Scots-mongrel...[sigh]
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: caddy on September 30, 2008, 04:02:32 PM
*blinks*  i ....don't want to be Scottish?
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Haushinka on September 30, 2008, 08:27:57 PM
naw, I get the point he was putting across, it just annoys me when people put across a fairly extreme/not easily understandable point then don't either stand by it or try to explain it. I mean, if I was given rational reasons for his opinions then I might be able to agree, if not at least understand.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Molotovna on September 30, 2008, 09:11:37 PM
Portuguese, Brazilian, Nigerian, Italian, Greek, Spanish, Mexican, and Argentinean.

Pretty much, I'm destined to have big hips, a huge ass, and wicked talent in the kitchen.

Join the club!

there's a club for Portuguese, Brazilian, Nigerian, Italian, Greek, Spanish, Mexican Argentines?

Of course; it's a popular mix.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Ashleetalks_toastronauts on September 30, 2008, 09:37:17 PM
I am....well, My dad's entire side of the family is from Ireland.
Mom's side is from France.


French and Irish.

I'm glad though.
I'm nice and pale and very "gawf"-looking :)
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: The King of Carrot Flowers on October 04, 2008, 10:37:09 PM
I am....well, My dad's entire side of the family is from Ireland.
Mom's side is from France.


French and Irish.

I'm glad though.
I'm nice and pale and very "gawf"-looking :)
French and Irish makes you look pretty.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Antimony on October 05, 2008, 09:40:30 AM
Heh. Although I was born and bred in London, my family come from Bangladesh. Well, in actual fact, my parents were born in East Pakistan, which is now Bangladesh, so I'm a second generation immigrant. And I say I live in London, but I live in Bethnal Green, which is really like an portion of Bangladesh cut up and thrown on top of London.

 I do hope I'm not the only Bangladeshi on the board however...
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: malcontent on October 05, 2008, 01:01:29 PM
Hungary REPRESENT!
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: Ashleetalks_toastronauts on October 05, 2008, 02:10:06 PM
I am....well, My dad's entire side of the family is from Ireland.
Mom's side is from France.


French and Irish.

I'm glad though.
I'm nice and pale and very "gawf"-looking :)
French and Irish makes you look pretty.


Why thank you :D
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: The King of Carrot Flowers on October 05, 2008, 03:23:25 PM
I am....well, My dad's entire side of the family is from Ireland.
Mom's side is from France.


French and Irish.

I'm glad though.
I'm nice and pale and very "gawf"-looking :)
French and Irish makes you look pretty.

Why thank you :D

You're welcome!
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: slyvia k on October 05, 2008, 06:09:23 PM
nationality :
italian, french, and american.
it is confusing. but, my mom was born in the USA from an american man and a french woman. (they had met during WWII in france). so mom had 2 nationalities.
then she studied one year in italy, and she met my dad.
i was born and raised in italy, but i 'inherited' the nationalities.
and it's pretty cool to go to the US without a visa.... :headbang:
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: The Angel Raliel on October 05, 2008, 10:10:35 PM
Heh. Although I was born and bred in London, my family come from Bangladesh. Well, in actual fact, my parents were born in East Pakistan, which is now Bangladesh, so I'm a second generation immigrant. And I say I live in London, but I live in Bethnal Green, which is really like an portion of Bangladesh cut up and thrown on top of London.

 I do hope I'm not the only Bangladeshi on the board however...
bethnal green is also very well known for it's jewish community ( not as much as Golders green, obviously )
I live on Hornsey road, about 5 mins from Crouch End, which is well known for it's BBC population..... is being media an ethnic group? it seems that way at times
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: CeeGBee on October 05, 2008, 10:17:47 PM
(http://www-tc.pbs.org/kcet/globalwatch/images/global_watch_screenshot.jpg) (http://www.pbs.org/kcet/globalwatch/about.html)
Is "hot" an ethnicity?  (Not the best picture of her, but the one from PBS' page...)
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: malcontent on October 06, 2008, 07:47:52 AM
(http://www-tc.pbs.org/kcet/globalwatch/images/global_watch_screenshot.jpg) (http://www.pbs.org/kcet/globalwatch/about.html)
Is "hot" an ethnicity?  (Not the best picture of her, but the one from PBS' page...)
She looks like my friend Ruth.
Title: Re: Whats Yo Nationality/Ethnicity/Background?
Post by: lil' lindsay on October 06, 2008, 10:58:36 PM
i'm a mix of all the countries that pretty blonde haired girls come from.