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Title: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: CeeGBee on January 29, 2009, 01:27:37 AM
So this person appeared last week, posted an awful lot, then turned out to be a complete fabrication.
Since his alleged true identity was revealed, he has provided derail-fodder for waaay too many threads.
Here then, a central repository for all things Alyss/Man-Alice:

DO you just love his little exercise in literary character-development in an interactive setting?

DO you simply loathe ALL alter-ego message-board personas?  (If so, does his conversion to what
he claims to be his actual persona relieve your irritation?)

ARE you pissed off that he used as literary devices traumas and circumstances endured by some
of our actual-people members?  Do you think it even more inexcusable that he recognizes (perhaps)
a need to apologize, but can't seem to think what for?

DO you simply wish that discussion of this person would stop clogging up otherwise-useful or at least
entertaining threads?


AIR YOUR VIEWS, THOUGHTS, AND OPINIONS HERE
...and stop derailing everything else.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: The Angel Raliel on January 29, 2009, 02:27:07 AM
personally i found his behaviour massively offensive, and was surprised when, after he was revealed as a hoax, cjust carried on posting a thousand posts a minute as if it was all ok....
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Hayley Fiasco! on January 29, 2009, 02:41:46 AM
Internet/message board trolls SEEK attention.

We are giving this troll TOO MUCH of it - whether it's complaining or encouraging replies.

We're better of ignoring it and trying to keep our threads ON TOPIC.

I don't care who posts or how much they post, stop derailing threads.

That's all I'd like to say about that.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: The Angel Raliel on January 29, 2009, 02:53:11 AM
http://z9.invisionfree.com/Travellers_Respite/index.php?showtopic=515
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Musings on January 29, 2009, 03:45:40 AM
Raliel, I would just be a little wary that the entire group isn't fucking with you... Alyss has posted with his real name before, way back when:

http://therespite.informe.com/forum/z-dt246.html 
&
http://therespite.informe.com/forum/white-kid-gloves-dt50.html
&
http://therespite.informe.com/forum/a-slash-for-rebecca-dt103.html?highlight=fergus

And at least 6 other places on that old board, where at least Matthias definitely existed.

Roleplayers, got to love them.

Now, Fergus.  I thought your game was fine while it lasted, but I think it's time to stop fucking with us yourself, right?   

Edit: Or I should say, Fergus or whoever the fuck you are.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on January 29, 2009, 04:14:49 AM

Roleplayers, got to love them.


I knew that Roleplayers were a bit backwards when it came to girls but being willing to pretend that Fungus was a girl just to have one to talk to - really fucking sad  >:D
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Musings on January 29, 2009, 04:25:18 AM
Ah, I wouldn't go so far to say all roleplayers, this particular set seems to be very entrenched in keeping the fantasy alive.

And this guy in particular.  You know what would be kind of funny, but would never happen?  If Amanda recruited him to the WKAP RPG.

Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Mr. Leave Me Alone on January 29, 2009, 04:38:09 AM
personally i found his behaviour massively offensive, and was surprised when, after he was revealed as a hoax, cjust carried on posting a thousand posts a minute as if it was all ok....


Deeeeeeeeeefinitely agreeing with that.

I'm pretty annoyed about the whole thing. I am willing to not get all 'HSKANILKUAHIL!!!!!' at 'Man Alice's every post, but the whole thing sucked.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on January 29, 2009, 05:00:59 AM
Ah, I wouldn't go so far to say all roleplayers, this particular set seems to be very entrenched in keeping the fantasy alive.

And this guy in particular.  You know what would be kind of funny, but would never happen?  If Amanda recruited him to the WKAP RPG.



Maybe that was his dastardly plan.... ;D

Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: fishbulb on January 29, 2009, 07:09:44 AM


Some of you are actually trying to get to know this guy/gal/thing? You're doing it again. Re-read that quote above. "Don't know how to apologize", "I feel really badly", "I'd love you get to know you folk"? Honestly, I really can appreciate the fact that people on here are so trusting, but be real, and watch yourselves. Do you honestly think that Alice did all this without the intention of revealing itself the way it has, and reveling in the drama it's caused? And acting exactly like it's acting right now?

I mean, there's being nice, and there's being too nice. You're all too nice. It's not "finally telling the truth". I can guarantee it.

It's a troll. A pretty good one. But just a troll. And should be treated as such. Although it sucks, and if you got wrapped up emotionally in it it's embarrassing, but asking for apologies and/or trying to get to know the guy/girl/thing is too much, in my opinion.

Alice: I actually like you, as a character. But you're still a character. And you won't ever be anything more here. You...I meant you didn't burn the bridge, you conflaged the mother fucker. You don't honestly thing you can fit in here. I know it. I'd recommend leaving, but I don't think it'll matter, you'll be gone in a week. And if you truely felt bad? You'd have already left.

And to be more blunt: if you really have been pretending to be someone else on another forum for a number of years, to the point where people are that attached to that character, you have issues. Get checked out. I'm serious. Megolomania isn't healthy. You either haven't experienced enough of life yet to know just how fragile some people can be (given the amount of time you spend on the internet it wouldn't surprise me) or are just mean spirited. You can claim "I don't know what to do" all you want, and that its fun and games, but that's all BS. And you seem smart enough to know it.

You can't be that articulate and elaborate, and then claim to not understand basic emotions. Brah. And I'd hate to see you end up a sociopath.

I'm all for a good game. Even a mind fuck. I don't disapprove of what you did here. But I truely hope you reap what you sow on that other forum, if what you said it true. Unfortunately I just think you'll end up causing a lot of pain, or made it up. Hopefully you don't believe in karma.

Everyone else: some of you are giving him the benefit of the doubt. That's what got you into this mess. Stay away, don't befriend, ignore if possible, and try and remember for next time. The SB is not necessarily the safe haven it might appear to be. That doesn't change your current relationships steming from this board. It is what you make it. But it's definitely not safe. It's a public message board.


I observed all of this, and in light of my own history here in the shadowbox I tried to form a kind of warning for people, since the reactions partly really surprised me, but I couldn't find the right words. Kovacs, you just said what I was trying to think / say. If somebody has been hurtful to you, he will again. Stay away. If somebody has lied about their identity, they will lie again. An idendity is presented, later retracted and another identity replaces it. How long until that gets retracted too? The internet is a bucket of snot filled with eels. If you don't want snot all over you, stay away or be really really careful. Being too trusting is never a good thing. Please be careful.

Ps I'm not trying to say everybody is an eel, it's just an analogy, I did make some very good friends in here.

Cross posted from another thread that indeed should not be derailed.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on January 29, 2009, 07:16:57 AM
Ha, I love this thread.

I don't know, I'm pretty forgiving, so I'm not angry with Fergus anymore although he did some fucked up shit, and we've talked some, but I'm still cautious.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Half Mar on January 29, 2009, 07:37:50 AM
personally i found his behaviour massively offensive, and was surprised when, after he was revealed as a hoax, cjust carried on posting a thousand posts a minute as if it was all ok....


Deeeeeeeeeefinitely agreeing with that.

I'm pretty annoyed about the whole thing. I am willing to not get all 'HSKANILKUAHIL!!!!!' at 'Man Alice's every post, but the whole thing sucked.

What she said :) I already said enough about it.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Ecstasia on January 29, 2009, 07:39:12 AM
I don't really understand what upset people.  It's an odd thing to do, but as was stated above, it's not the first time someone has done it.  I just am a little surprised that people are so emotionally invested in a message board (even the Shadowbox) that they could be so effected (affected? I will never remember which) by this.



***I just read Kovacs post and have to say I completely agree***
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Mr. Leave Me Alone on January 29, 2009, 09:18:50 AM
I don't really understand what upset people.  It's an odd thing to do, but as was stated above, it's not the first time someone has done it.  I just am a little surprised that people are so emotionally invested in a message board (even the Shadowbox) that they could be so effected (affected? I will never remember which) by this.



***I just read Kovacs post and have to say I completely agree***

Maybe it was silly for people to get so crazy over it, but 'Alice' said things that were not okay in any context. 'She' mocked the beliefs of another member, at one point, which is really not okay...
And I think it makes sense to become 'emotionally invested' in things here, I think. I've made a few real life friends in here and lots of 'internet friends' who I care a lot about (even if that sounds silly. But they are people and they are people I get along with). And this is where I met them and where I talk to them. I know it's the same for other people, too. It's not nice when someone comes along and abuses that.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Rini Martini on January 29, 2009, 10:46:45 AM
Kovacs, I'm totally 100% with you. Couldn't agree more.

If 'Man Alice' genuinely wanted another chance to get to know us and be himself, he would have abandoned the account and created another one. He would re-join, free of our prejudice, surely. But he/she/it loves the drama. 'Help apologising'? Give me a break.

I really think that "getting to know the real Alice" is a wasted effort. I don't believe for a minute that he's being genuine now. And frankly I don't have time for someone that finds it so easy to fuck with people like that. Neither should you guys, you're too forgiving.

I seriously think we all just need to make a pact to stop talking about this whole thing. We have dedicated an entire thread to the guy for God's sake, he's not worth it. It's a good thing that the bitching is all being "contained" here, but seriously - we're giving him/her/whatever exactly the attention that they came here for.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Maxnot on January 29, 2009, 11:15:26 AM
I seriously think we all just need to make a pact to stop talking about this whole thing. We have dedicated an entire thread to the guy for God's sake, he's not worth it. It's a good thing that the bitching is all being "contained" here, but seriously - we're giving him/her/whatever exactly the attention that they came here for.

Exactly.

If you ignore the person, that person will go away. Simple as.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: nottheonethatscrazy on January 29, 2009, 11:17:40 AM
I'm still waiting for Man Alice to say the he's really a woman.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on January 29, 2009, 11:19:44 AM
I'm still waiting for Man Alice to say the he's really a woman.

In the back of my head, I'm thinking this as well. That's it's something like yeah I'm a person pretending to be a man pretending to be a woman who's actually a man pretending to be a woman pretending to be a man.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Rini Martini on January 29, 2009, 11:21:27 AM

That's it's something like yeah I'm a person pretending to be a man pretending to be a woman who's actually a man pretending to be a woman pretending to be a man.


My brain hurts.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: nottheonethatscrazy on January 29, 2009, 11:22:52 AM
Although I'm cool with Man Alice, I do agree that he has definitely cluttered up a fair amount of threads.
1100 posts in a week.
It's....sort of crazy.
And I wonder why he doesn't really post a lot in the threads that are actually about The Dresden Dolls?
He seems to stick to Anarchy an awful lot.
I mean, I like the Anarchy boards, but why isn't he posting in some of the Dresden Dolls threads?
That is what everyone joined this forum for, right?
To discuss The Dresden Dolls.
*shrugs*
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Hayley Fiasco! on January 29, 2009, 11:23:57 AM
You know what would be kind of funny, but would never happen?  If Amanda recruited him to the WKAP RPG.

HAHA. As if we needed another mindfuck already?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Rini Martini on January 29, 2009, 11:27:44 AM
Although I'm cool with Man Alice, I do agree that he has definantly cluttered up a fair amount of threads.
1100 posts in a week.
It's....sort of crazy.
And I wonder why he doesn't really post a lot in the threads that are actually about The Dresden Dolls?
He seems to stick to Anarchy an awful lot.
I mean, I like the Anarchy boards, but why isn't he posting in some of the Dresden Dolls threads?
That is what everyone joined this forum for, right?
To discuss The Dresden Dolls.
*shrugs*


I noticed that. I doubt he even likes The Dresden Dolls. He just wanted to fuck with a community.

Ok, I think we should allocate ourselves a cut-off time, when nobody's allowed to mention "Alyss" anymore!
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: nottheonethatscrazy on January 29, 2009, 11:30:42 AM
I noticed that. I doubt he even likes The Dresden Dolls. He just wanted to fuck with a community.

Ok, I think we should allocate ourselves a cut-off time, when nobody's allowed to mention "Alyss" anymore!
Yeah. I wondered the same thing. It's just weird to go onto a forum devoted to a band, and then not post anything about the band...
Now he might be getting blocked.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Rini Martini on January 29, 2009, 11:34:40 AM
Yep, I saw  :occasion18:
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: guuurrrrrllltakeiteasy on January 29, 2009, 11:42:54 AM
http://z9.invisionfree.com/Travellers_Respite/index.php?showtopic=515

6000+ posts?! omgwow. coming from the one that has 4000+ posts soon to be 5000 if I don't shut up
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Rini Martini on January 29, 2009, 11:46:46 AM
Damn. You're right not to be embarrassed Sarah, that's really messed up. I'm not a believer but I would never insult a person's faith like that. Faith is really personal and it can be such a fundamental part of a person. Each to their own, I say!

It still just amazes me how much time this guy(?) was willing to dedicate to this whole thing...
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Ecstasia on January 29, 2009, 12:52:57 PM
I don't really understand what upset people.  It's an odd thing to do, but as was stated above, it's not the first time someone has done it.  I just am a little surprised that people are so emotionally invested in a message board (even the Shadowbox) that they could be so effected (affected? I will never remember which) by this.



***I just read Kovacs post and have to say I completely agree***

what you have to understand is that it is not the fake identity that upset me about alice. it wasn't the fact that s/he wasn't really who they said they were. we all are a little different on the internet than we are in 'real life'. yes, this was taking it a step too far, i think. but that is not what made me upset. i couldn't give a rat's arse if someone is so unhappy with their own personality that they want to create a new one, nor if they are just doing it for shits and giggles. what upset me was that alice flamed my beliefs and my faith in pm's to me. s/he called me crazy for believing in god and decided that because my life wasn't all roses and sunshine, that that was proof that there was no god. i respected the fact that alice pretended to be an atheist (what s/he really is, i don't know or care at this point) because i never ever flame anybody's beliefs. alice was completely remiss with and rude about mine.

i am not embarrassed that i got emotionally connected to these comments. i'm a little disappointed in myself for letting someone on the internet upset me, but certainly not embarrassed.

I wouldn't want you to feel embarrassed about anything.  Still, though, I just have a difficult time understanding.  Obviously, I have no idea what was said in the PM's and you have every right to feel how and whatever you feel.  I guess what really surprised me was the fact that anyone would get upset about comments from someone who was very obviously unhinged (whether the character or the actual person).  As a Christian, you are probably used to having your beliefs questioned.  So, I guess what I was trying to say is, why let yourself be effected by someone you don't know, have no previous relationship with, and is obviously saying things just to get a reaction?  But again, I don't know the details of what was said and since there is the no posting of PM's rule (right?), I really won't ever know the details.   
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on January 29, 2009, 12:55:55 PM
I don't post in the threads about the Dolls because I didn't see that there was anything I could add. I still keep up with four of the threads in the General Discussion section on the band.

And Sean, 6,000+ posts isn't that unusual at the Respite. Both Zousha and Rhy have more. Rhy has more than 9,000.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: guuurrrrrllltakeiteasy on January 29, 2009, 12:59:28 PM
Rhy is my hero
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on January 29, 2009, 01:00:20 PM
I wasn't aware that you knew him.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on January 29, 2009, 01:11:58 PM
I never meant to mock your faith. It was just a stupid joke that you misinterpreted as an attack. I honestly mean that.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Ecstasia on January 29, 2009, 01:14:14 PM
Are you on here 24/7?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on January 29, 2009, 01:15:04 PM
I didn't sleep last night. So I've been on pretty much constantly for 25 hours.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Hush on January 29, 2009, 01:23:35 PM
You'd be amazed at how many people don't know that.

You'd be amazed how many of us did. You had your fun, you made people feel bad. Now fuck off.
This.
Except the fuck off part. ... Maybe.
Actually, I've thought about it and I'd like to take back that "maybe". Fuck off seems to sum it up, because every time I see one of his/her/its WAY TOO MANY posts, I can't help but think: "what the hell are you still doing here?". He/she/it didn't hurt me personally, but they hurt other people and really crossed the line in pretending to be raped/suicidal/hospitalized. Not cool.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BaronLaCroix on January 29, 2009, 01:27:20 PM
Having had just arrived, I'm not in a position to do much more than observe.  However, I seem to have come it at the height of the tidal wave.
Deliberate misrepresentation of oneself on the internet is as old as... well, the internet.  Reasons vary: to say things behind the veil of anonymity, to say things for which their "real self" might not be taken seriously, to get attention, to manipulate others, &ct.  It seems in this case, this guy is a case of the last.  Making outlandishly false claims (being an an institution, having been raped, &ct) is just manipulative, controlling and horrible.
Some argue "oh, it's the internet, we can always just play pretend", and there's a point to that.  But that point isn't valid here.  Just garnering attention and sympathy for horrible things some here have experienced, first or send-hand, isn't playing; it's trolling.
To whit:
I honestly mean that.
I doubt you honestly anything.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: nottheonethatscrazy on January 29, 2009, 01:30:36 PM
I think the reason that people are so peeved about this is because this just isn't the sort of thing that happens around here.
I posted in the the Trolling thread that we tend to trust people on this forum.
Therefore, we don't expect anyone to be something other than they said they were.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on January 29, 2009, 01:31:45 PM
May I ask a question? I'm sure you're all familiar with the character Borat? He gives a thoroughly unflattering portrayal of Kazakhstan. He pretends to be Kazakhstani, and people believe him. Did he cross the line as well? Sasha Baron Cohen didn't create that character with the intention of upsetting anyone from Kazakhstan, just as I didn't create Alice with the intention of upsetting anyone with mental illness.

You're all taking this like it's a personal attack. It isn't.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: nottheonethatscrazy on January 29, 2009, 01:33:49 PM
People are seeing it as a personal attack because it's sort of like a massive betrayal of trust.
I'm not angry, I'm just seeing it, like I said, objectively.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BaronLaCroix on January 29, 2009, 01:36:03 PM
May I ask a question? I'm sure you're all familiar with the character Borat? He gives a thoroughly unflattering portrayal of Kazakhstan. He pretends to be Kazakhstani, and people believe him. Did he cross the line as well? Sasha Baron Cohen didn't create that character with the intention of upsetting anyone from Kazakhstan, just as I didn't create Alice with the intention of upsetting anyone with mental illness.

You're all taking this like it's a personal attack. It isn't.
You've proven the point I was reaching with eloquence and grace: Sacha Baron* Cohen plays people he isn't and then provokes reactions for the amusement of others.  You have played someone you aren't and provoked reactions for amusement of yourself.  Maybe not humorous amusement, but amusement none the same.
---
*No relation.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on January 29, 2009, 01:40:20 PM
May I ask a question? I'm sure you're all familiar with the character Borat? He gives a thoroughly unflattering portrayal of Kazakhstan. He pretends to be Kazakhstani, and people believe him. Did he cross the line as well? Sasha Baron Cohen didn't create that character with the intention of upsetting anyone from Kazakhstan, just as I didn't create Alice with the intention of upsetting anyone with mental illness.

You're all taking this like it's a personal attack. It isn't.
You've proven the point I was reaching with eloquence and grace: Sacha Baron* Cohen plays people he isn't and then provokes reactions for the amusement of others.  You have played someone you aren't and provoked reactions for amusement of yourself.  Maybe not humorous amusement, but amusement none the same.
---
*No relation.
Well it's not actually that simple but, for the sake of argument, fine.
But if that's the case, are the people of Kazakhstan justified in despising the man?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Kovacs on January 29, 2009, 01:42:31 PM
May I ask a question? I'm sure you're all familiar with the character Borat? He gives a thoroughly unflattering portrayal of Kazakhstan. He pretends to be Kazakhstani, and people believe him. Did he cross the line as well? Sasha Baron Cohen didn't create that character with the intention of upsetting anyone from Kazakhstan, just as I didn't create Alice with the intention of upsetting anyone with mental illness.

You're all taking this like it's a personal attack. It isn't.

I hate to be a broken record, so this is the last I'll post about this, otherwise I'm not practicing what I preach.

The above is a standard troll argument, and will go on forever if you take the bait. The only way to beat it is complete ignoration. Ignoration? Ignorance. Wait, no.

Ignore it. Even when he says more and more inflammitory things to get a reaction, ignore it. Someone will always take the bait, but if the majority of a community ignores a troll, it goes away.

Ignore it!

 :)

(Oh, and I apologize for the derailment in the photos thread, I hadn't noticed this thread yet)
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Rini Martini on January 29, 2009, 01:44:04 PM
My God, "Man Alice", you're making the stupidest point ever... Seriously, why are you still here?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BaronLaCroix on January 29, 2009, 01:45:37 PM
Well it's not actually that simple but, for the sake of argument, fine.
But if that's the case, are the people of Kazakhstan justified in despising the man?
Leave the Kazakhs out of this.
Go darken threads elsewhere.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on January 29, 2009, 01:46:42 PM
I'm not trying to inflame anything. And I'm still here because not everyone on this forum hates me. I still have a good time engaging with them.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Rini Martini on January 29, 2009, 01:53:26 PM
If you're as sorry and regretful as you claimed to be, why are you trying to justify your actions with this 'Borat' analogy?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on January 29, 2009, 01:55:42 PM
Because I'm still going to stand up for myself regardless. I am sorry. Doesn't mean I shouldn't try to make myself understood.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Merk on January 29, 2009, 02:00:38 PM
ASDFGHJKL;'!

Nuff said.
Alice (or whatever your name is), go on a wee vacation and have a break with no computer.
;|
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Haushinka on January 29, 2009, 02:05:39 PM
I have come out of hiding to post one little thing here.
Alyss, I believed you. I'm a cynic, hard to convice blah blah blah, but I believed you. Now I feel like a fool. Nobody has ever made me feel like a fool before.
Fergus. You need help. Topics that you took lightheartedly are not lighthearted. You are dysfunctional online and you are most probably dysfunctional offline. Find something real to do, otherwise I'm sure you will continue to create characters and personalities to parade your own twisted thoughts under.

You realise in continuing to post here you are only going to split this community further (and the ones you are marginalising are some of the most vulnerable here)? And from this point on I know that if I call or meet up with friends from this board (and this board goes quite a while back), we will mention you. Not positively. Save face and leave while you can. I'm normally not that nice to people, I was nice to you, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and then you made me justify being nice to you. UGH. I'm so frustrated with myself over why I wanted to cheer you up, why I shared quite personal information with you and why I still want to give you a chance now. This is the voice of reason. Leave. If this were real life (and don't doubt for a second that this isn't a real life community) you would be sectioned or put in jail for your behaviour, at the very least ridiculed.

Do you know what I found most offensive though? The letters. Would you have continued to reply to our letters under the name Alyss had your conscience not overridden your compulsive lies? What would happen if come one day we were going to meet?

Because I'm still going to stand up for myself regardless. I am sorry. Doesn't mean I shouldn't try to make myself understood.

I am never going to understand you. You took this way too far.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on January 29, 2009, 02:08:38 PM
He wrote letters?

I didn't know that.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on January 29, 2009, 02:09:21 PM
The only split I have caused is with the general community and myself. This is far less of an issue that you give it credit for.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Annebelle. on January 29, 2009, 02:11:30 PM
don't forget the people who are still finding you annoying and consider to leave this place because of your being here. that's also a split you're causing
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on January 29, 2009, 02:13:20 PM
I'd assumed they were part of the general community as well.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Haushinka on January 29, 2009, 02:16:16 PM
The only split I have caused is with the general community and myself. This is far less of an issue that you give it credit for.

Here's the thing- it is.
I'm sorry, I'm trying to stay away from theshadowbox right now (I've had a desire to leave for a while, but Alyss did fuel it), but I feel I have to come back and make things right and make sense again. You have split us. Look at the arguments this is causing. Kovacs is a respected member of this community who is never inflamed and is normally quite composed. Raliel is one of the mildest mannered people I've ever met. The fact that Fishbulb (who rarely, if ever, posts anymore) has felt the need to comment says everything.
This is an issue. A big one. You are accentuating a divide that has been long present here.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Rini Martini on January 29, 2009, 02:18:21 PM
I'm not trying to inflame anything. And I'm still here because not everyone on this forum hates me. I still have a good time engaging with them.

Oh, not everyone hates you? Congratulations. (...Though frankly, I beg to differ. I don't see anyone sticking up for you.)

Everytime I see a post from you on this forum it pisses me off. And I'm not the only one that feels that way. If you feel that you engage with certain people, engage with them somewhere other else. The vast majority don't want you here. As Haushinka said, save face and leave. And get yourself a shrink.

I'm fed up of this, I'm not posting anything more on the subject. You're not worth it.


Everybody else: please stop posting about him/her, it's exactly what he/she wants, they're enjoying it. Serious thrill issues.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on January 29, 2009, 02:18:54 PM
Ah, you're fake.  Lmao.  Really, who isn't online.  Amirite, gaiz?  /sarcasm


C'est la vie and shrug it off, kids.  I've been insulted by some things online, but in this situation, everybody is better off going to buy a nice piece of chocolate, instead of yelling at their computer screens.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on January 29, 2009, 02:19:41 PM
Ah, you're fake.  Lmao.  Really, who isn't online.  Amirite, gaiz?  /sarcasm


C'est la vie and shrug it off, kids.  I've been insulted by some things online, but in this situation, everybody is better off going to buy a nice piece of chocolate, instead of yelling at their computer screens.

There we go
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on January 29, 2009, 02:20:46 PM
I'm happy to let this die. I won't post on the subject any more.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BaronLaCroix on January 29, 2009, 02:20:59 PM
Ah, you're fake.  Lmao.  Really, who isn't online.  Amirite, gaiz?  /sarcasm


C'est la vie and shrug it off, kids.  I've been insulted by some things online, but in this situation, everybody is better off going to buy a nice piece of chocolate, instead of yelling at their computer screens.

I'm a fan of any plan involving chocolate.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: nottheonethatscrazy on January 29, 2009, 02:21:59 PM
I wonder what our beloved Amanda would have to say about this.

I'm a fan of any plan involving chocolate.
Hehe, me too.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on January 29, 2009, 02:22:36 PM
Ah, you're fake.  Lmao.  Really, who isn't online.  Amirite, gaiz?  /sarcasm


C'est la vie and shrug it off, kids.  I've been insulted by some things online, but in this situation, everybody is better off going to buy a nice piece of chocolate, instead of yelling at their computer screens.

I'm a fan of any plan involving chocolate.

Scrumdiddlyumptious bars FTW

Do those things actually exist?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: nottheonethatscrazy on January 29, 2009, 02:23:12 PM
Ah, you're fake.  Lmao.  Really, who isn't online.  Amirite, gaiz?  /sarcasm


C'est la vie and shrug it off, kids.  I've been insulted by some things online, but in this situation, everybody is better off going to buy a nice piece of chocolate, instead of yelling at their computer screens.

I'm a fan of any plan involving chocolate.

Scrumdiddlyumptious bars FTW

Do those things actually exist?
You know, I think they do.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Rini Martini on January 29, 2009, 02:24:34 PM
I'm happy to let this die. I won't post on the subject any more.

God you're so annoying. Don't post on any subject anymore! LEAVE!



Kovacs is a respected member of this community who is never inflamed and is normally quite composed. Raliel is one of the mildest mannered people I've ever met. The fact that Fishbulb (who rarely, if ever, posts anymore) has felt the need to comment says everything.

I'm normally really mild-mannered too!


Ok I'm done. No more posts. *crosses heart*
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on January 29, 2009, 02:35:19 PM
God, I could use a malted chocolate milkshake.  Or even better, malted chocolate ice cream.  Fuck, I'm such an ice cream/chocaholic.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: nottheonethatscrazy on January 29, 2009, 02:36:08 PM
Ahhh.
Delicious.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: justinfire on January 29, 2009, 02:38:07 PM
it hit me the other day... i can have ice cream everyday if  i want... and no one can stop me.
being grownup rocks.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: nottheonethatscrazy on January 29, 2009, 02:38:43 PM
I want to be grown up.
Hmph.
 :'(
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Rini Martini on January 29, 2009, 02:40:05 PM
Ok I can post if it's about chocolate, right.....? *looks around*

A Nutella and banana crepe would do niiiicely right now.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on January 29, 2009, 02:41:00 PM
I want to be grown up.
Hmph.
 :'(

You know what Tom Waits says...
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: yosmark on January 29, 2009, 02:45:19 PM
May I ask a question? I'm sure you're all familiar with the character Borat? He gives a thoroughly unflattering portrayal of Kazakhstan. He pretends to be Kazakhstani, and people believe him. Did he cross the line as well? Sasha Baron Cohen didn't create that character with the intention of upsetting anyone from Kazakhstan, just as I didn't create Alice with the intention of upsetting anyone with mental illness.

You're all taking this like it's a personal attack. It isn't.

I hate to be a broken record, so this is the last I'll post about this, otherwise I'm not practicing what I preach.

The above is a standard troll argument, and will go on forever if you take the bait. The only way to beat it is complete ignoration. Ignoration? Ignorance. Wait, no.

Ignore it. Even when he says more and more inflammitory things to get a reaction, ignore it. Someone will always take the bait, but if the majority of a community ignores a troll, it goes away.

Ignore it!

 :)

(Oh, and I apologize for the derailment in the photos thread, I hadn't noticed this thread yet)

I will take your advise.

OMG Cat is back, this thread must be big, I will read this when I arrive home... even B is back O_o
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on January 29, 2009, 02:58:23 PM
I want to be grown up.
Hmph.
 :'(

You know what Tom Waits says...
He does?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on January 29, 2009, 03:00:10 PM
I want to be grown up.
Hmph.
 :'(

You know what Tom Waits says...
He does?

Haha, I was referencing the song, "I Don't Wanna Grow Up"
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on January 29, 2009, 03:01:02 PM
Ok I can post if it's about chocolate, right.....? *looks around*

A Nutella and banana crepe would do niiiicely right now.

Nutella?!  FUCK YEAH SEAKING!

And I waited I could say I was grown enough to buy my own ice cream!  *nods*  I knew I was grown up when I could buy my own ice cream, and only my WEIGHT could stop me.  Fucking catch 22!
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on January 29, 2009, 03:01:46 PM
That's it, I'm going to go and eat crumpets...
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on January 29, 2009, 03:03:13 PM
so
I haven't really had much to do with this shiz because my posting tends to stay upstairs. I do like to read through the social-er sections though, and I have to say that the <10% of Alyss's massive amount of posts I saw were, for the most part, trash, in my opinion. While I have NO problem with have conversations on the box and quick posting back and forth, when most of your posts are one line and you are carrying on 10 conversations and bumping up every single thread and cluttering them with useless banter, it is *really* annoying for someone like me who likes to occasionally browse through the different discussions without committing to any debates or anything.

Regardless, the fact that music did not register with you as art kinda bothered me. It's probably just my state of mind in the context of the shadowbox.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on January 29, 2009, 04:24:04 PM
Public Service Announcement.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f204/hedonisticpleasureseeker/Please_Do_Not_Feed_The_Troll.jpg)






I could so go some vegan nutella flavoured ice cream right now.......

With sprinkles!!
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: The Angel Raliel on January 29, 2009, 04:43:24 PM
I got deleted from the kiddie roleplay forum that he has been using as his personal playground for  over a year.... possibly something to do with him being an admin there
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Mockery on January 29, 2009, 05:05:52 PM
personally i found his behaviour massively offensive, and was surprised when, after he was revealed as a hoax, cjust carried on posting a thousand posts a minute as if it was all ok....

I agree. I was rather annoyed with Mr. Alyss because, apparently, he never had a single nice thing to say and he was just down right rude!
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Ecstasia on January 29, 2009, 06:47:52 PM
People would seriously consider leaving over this?  That just seems juvenile to me.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: The Angel Raliel on January 29, 2009, 07:17:42 PM
leaving the forum is a wierd reaction... getting the cause of the problem to leave is not
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: imaginary friend on January 29, 2009, 08:15:25 PM
So this person appeared last week, posted an awful lot, then turned out to be a complete fabrication.
Since his alleged true identity was revealed, he has provided derail-fodder for waaay too many threads.
Here then, a central repository for all things Alyss/Man-Alice:

DO you just love his little exercise in literary character-development in an interactive setting?

DO you simply loathe ALL alter-ego message-board personas?  (If so, does his conversion to what
he claims to be his actual persona relieve your irritation?)

ARE you pissed off that he used as literary devices traumas and circumstances endured by some
of our actual-people members?  Do you think it even more inexcusable that he recognizes (perhaps)
a need to apologize, but can't seem to think what for?

DO you simply wish that discussion of this person would stop clogging up otherwise-useful or at least
entertaining threads?


AIR YOUR VIEWS, THOUGHTS, AND OPINIONS HERE
...and stop derailing everything else.

Who?


#@!
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: yosmark on January 29, 2009, 08:27:39 PM
So this person appeared last week, posted an awful lot, then turned out to be a complete fabrication.
Since his alleged true identity was revealed, he has provided derail-fodder for waaay too many threads.
Here then, a central repository for all things Alyss/Man-Alice:

DO you just love his little exercise in literary character-development in an interactive setting?

DO you simply loathe ALL alter-ego message-board personas?  (If so, does his conversion to what
he claims to be his actual persona relieve your irritation?)

ARE you pissed off that he used as literary devices traumas and circumstances endured by some
of our actual-people members?  Do you think it even more inexcusable that he recognizes (perhaps)
a need to apologize, but can't seem to think what for?

DO you simply wish that discussion of this person would stop clogging up otherwise-useful or at least
entertaining threads?


AIR YOUR VIEWS, THOUGHTS, AND OPINIONS HERE
...and stop derailing everything else.

Who?


#@!


DUDE!
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy::

Edit:

If Raliel was delated it must be because someone is scared.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: buttercup. on January 29, 2009, 08:29:40 PM
No matter how much you talk this to death, there will be more to say. Relax.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on January 29, 2009, 11:17:40 PM
No matter how much you talk this to death, there will be more to say. Relax.

People love drama, and they will gravitate to any stupid little thing, and exploit the shit out of it.  Dramatic divas at their finest.  I swear to god, for a forum fooled tragically by one alt, and then littered with other alts, you'd think the "fool me once, fool me twice" thing would apply here. 
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Nala on January 30, 2009, 06:43:14 AM
May I take the liberty of making a suggestion that a mod lock this thread and any further discussing this matter so that the cunting troll can't get the desired thrills from people reacting?

Whilst I appreciate that people are offended and upset by this idiot, continued dialogue on here about it is futile and will achieve nothing but amuse the troll further.

Let's draw just a line under this right now.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on January 30, 2009, 06:54:21 AM
I think that the people who have posted in this thread are mature and intelligent enough to know what they're doing. I am 100% sure that they would not be posting stories and feelings etc. if they thought that all they were doing is "feeding the troll."
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: CeeGBee on January 30, 2009, 11:30:34 AM
May I take the liberty of making a suggestion that a mod lock this thread and any further discussing this matter so that the cunting troll can't get the desired thrills from people reacting?

Whilst I appreciate that people are offended and upset by this idiot, continued dialogue on here about it is futile and will achieve nothing but amuse the troll further.

Let's draw just a line under this right now.
You may suggest, and I will take no offense if such an action is taken.

However, the whole point to having this thread is to prevent this same discussion from
taking place in a dozen other threads, derailing them from their proper course.

If this discussion doesn't provide you with any [entertainment/enlightnenment/catharsis....],
then you may avoid the entire subject in large part, simply by not reading this one thread.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Nala on January 30, 2009, 01:15:55 PM
Eep!

I'm sorry!

I wasn't for one second suggesting that the people posting weren't intelligent or mature.

I was only making my suggestion of locking the thread as i just don't like seeing people upset and to me it seemed that the continued discussion just seemed to be getting people worked up again.

I should have just kept my nose out. Sorry again.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: CeeGBee on January 30, 2009, 02:48:01 PM
Eep!

I'm sorry!

I wasn't for one second suggesting that the people posting weren't intelligent or mature.
Calm down, take a couple deep breaths...
No one said you were.  Okay, Jesse Lava may have, but he was being stupid and immature...
...but seriously, I think it's OK.


I was only making my suggestion of locking the thread as i just don't like seeing people upset and to me it seemed that the continued discussion just seemed to be getting people worked up again.
...and here they have a place to vent.  Eventually those who are mad will be less-mad, and
perhaps those (or that one) at whom they are mad will come to better understand why, and
perhaps all can take some steps to move toward resolution of issues.

People who don't want to participate in this argument (like me, oddly enough) can decline to
participate.  I read this thread out of a probably-misguided sense of responsibility simply because
I started it.


I should have just kept my nose out. Sorry again.
Nonsense, that's the whole point of a discussion: to air opinions and look at them from
various perspectives.  Self-censorship is the worst form of all.  [Not related to the immediate
post, but yes, one should think before posting...  That's not censorship.]
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Mockery on January 30, 2009, 06:35:28 PM
People would seriously consider leaving over this?  That just seems juvenile to me.
Or that might be the way they deal with things in general.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bill H on January 30, 2009, 07:12:25 PM
This:


I seriously think we all just need to make a pact to stop talking about this whole thing. We have dedicated an entire thread to the guy for God's sake, he's not worth it. It's a good thing that the bitching is all being "contained" here, but seriously - we're giving him/her/whatever exactly the attention that they came here for.

Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on January 30, 2009, 09:29:13 PM
Hey.  I keep derailing to chocolate.  Delicious chocolate.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on January 30, 2009, 09:30:57 PM
Hey.  I keep derailing to chocolate.  Delicious chocolate.

The topic of chocolate should be allowed to derail any thread.


I am having serious chocolate cravings right now......
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on January 30, 2009, 10:38:34 PM
Hey.  I keep derailing to chocolate.  Delicious chocolate.
I really want a Snickers now...
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: The Angel Raliel on January 31, 2009, 04:42:24 AM
I want a Topic now
(it is a chocolate bar)
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BaronLaCroix on January 31, 2009, 02:06:40 PM
I could go for a Mo's Bacon Bar by Vosges.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Mockery on January 31, 2009, 02:23:13 PM
Hey.  I keep derailing to chocolate.  Delicious chocolate.
I really want a Snickers now...

Well too bad because you're not getting anything!
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on January 31, 2009, 02:40:33 PM
I could go for a Mo's Bacon Bar by Vosges.

Zomg.  o_O'

I keep seeing those things and going, "Hmmmmmm....."  Now I HAVE to try one.  =(
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BaronLaCroix on January 31, 2009, 02:42:57 PM
I could go for a Mo's Bacon Bar by Vosges.

Zomg.  o_O'

I keep seeing those things and going, "Hmmmmmm....."  Now I HAVE to try one.  =(
They're really good, but they need a little more bacon.  Or a little more salt.  I like to take tiny nibbles from Vosges bars, because their flavour is so phenomenal I want it to last forever, but with the Bacon bar I need to take bigger bites or get no bacon or salt.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on January 31, 2009, 02:43:15 PM
I could go for a Mo's Bacon Bar by Vosges.

Zomg.  o_O'

I keep seeing those things and going, "Hmmmmmm....."  Now I HAVE to try one.  =(

Wait...a bacon bar? Like, actual bacon?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on January 31, 2009, 03:42:05 PM
That sounds kind of nasty...
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on January 31, 2009, 03:47:58 PM
That sounds kind of nasty...

Well, it depends on what it is...and how much bacon it is
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Mr. Leave Me Alone on January 31, 2009, 03:53:23 PM
Google is your friend.

I found zis.
http://www.vosgeschocolate.com/product/bacon_exotic_candy_bar/exotic_candy_bars

Sounds interesting, no?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on January 31, 2009, 03:58:02 PM
It sounds very interesting.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on January 31, 2009, 04:00:27 PM
Hell no!
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on January 31, 2009, 05:20:06 PM
Bacon is meant for sandwiches, or out of a mug, not with chocolate. It's evil.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on January 31, 2009, 05:21:56 PM
Wait, bacon in a mug..like a coffee mug?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 01, 2009, 03:36:45 PM
I know this has been derailed, and I en't supposed to feed the troll, but whatever. I feel like I need some catharsis, and I don't give a shit if ya'all are already done.

WTF. Making a fake identity is completely normal, especially for someone into role playing and writing, but WTF. Rape is not a joke. Psychological disorders are NOT A JOKE. Being someone affected by both, I'm seriously offended. Alice, you're a fucking piece of shit and you DESERVE to be raped so you can see for yourself what it's like. And then just try to come back here for advice and comfort... see what happens then. Perhaps that's a little harsh, but it's not fair to expect people to forgive and forget. I suggest you find yourself a new group of people to fuck with, because I'm not taking your shit anymore. I can't believe I actually cared about you, and worried about you. Fuck you, and fuck your shitty "screenplays."
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: ratsforcandy on February 01, 2009, 03:39:25 PM
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THREAD?


 :violent1:
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Mockery on February 01, 2009, 04:45:13 PM
I know this has been derailed, and I en't supposed to feed the troll, but whatever. I feel like I need some catharsis, and I don't give a shit if ya'all are already done.

WTF. Making a fake identity is completely normal, especially for someone into role playing and writing, but WTF. Rape is not a joke. Psychological disorders are NOT A JOKE. Being someone affected by both, I'm seriously offended. Alice, you're a fucking piece of shit and you DESERVE to be raped so you can see for yourself what it's like. And then just try to come back here for advice and comfort... see what happens then. Perhaps that's a little harsh, but it's not fair to expect people to forgive and forget. I suggest you find yourself a new group of people to fuck with, because I'm not taking your shit anymore. I can't believe I actually cared about you, and worried about you. Fuck you, and fuck your shitty "screenplays."
Dude, he wrote screen plays? When did this happen!
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: CaffeinatedCassadie on February 01, 2009, 04:52:05 PM
I wonder what our beloved Amanda would have to say about this.

I'm a fan of any plan involving chocolate.
Hehe, me too.
DUDE.
You're making being an AFP fans sound like a cult. Not good.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 05:08:52 PM
Wait, bacon in a mug..like a coffee mug?
A tea mug, but yeah.

I know this has been derailed, and I en't supposed to feed the troll, but whatever. I feel like I need some catharsis, and I don't give a shit if ya'all are already done.

WTF. Making a fake identity is completely normal, especially for someone into role playing and writing, but WTF. Rape is not a joke. Psychological disorders are NOT A JOKE. Being someone affected by both, I'm seriously offended. Alice, you're a fucking piece of shit and you DESERVE to be raped so you can see for yourself what it's like. And then just try to come back here for advice and comfort... see what happens then. Perhaps that's a little harsh, but it's not fair to expect people to forgive and forget. I suggest you find yourself a new group of people to fuck with, because I'm not taking your shit anymore. I can't believe I actually cared about you, and worried about you. Fuck you, and fuck your shitty "screenplays."
Dude, he wrote screen plays? When did this happen!
I've written one, because I had a module on Film Writing this. I prefer, and intend to write for, theatre.

Incidentally, I never said it was a joke, or insinuated at any point that it was funny.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 01, 2009, 05:33:21 PM
Wait, bacon in a mug..like a coffee mug?
A tea mug, but yeah.

I know this has been derailed, and I en't supposed to feed the troll, but whatever. I feel like I need some catharsis, and I don't give a shit if ya'all are already done.

WTF. Making a fake identity is completely normal, especially for someone into role playing and writing, but WTF. Rape is not a joke. Psychological disorders are NOT A JOKE. Being someone affected by both, I'm seriously offended. Alice, you're a fucking piece of shit and you DESERVE to be raped so you can see for yourself what it's like. And then just try to come back here for advice and comfort... see what happens then. Perhaps that's a little harsh, but it's not fair to expect people to forgive and forget. I suggest you find yourself a new group of people to fuck with, because I'm not taking your shit anymore. I can't believe I actually cared about you, and worried about you. Fuck you, and fuck your shitty "screenplays."
Dude, he wrote screen plays? When did this happen!
I've written one, because I had a module on Film Writing this. I prefer, and intend to write for, theatre.

Incidentally, I never said it was a joke, or insinuated at any point that it was funny.

Incidentally, I consider what you did as mocking those of us who are actually victims. Mocking, in case you are unaware (and it seems that you are), is to use [dark] humor to laugh at someone in contempt (ie: to deride). Most bullies who do this in high school claim they were "only joking."

And don't try to fucking deny that you weren't mocking victims of rape, because you WERE.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 05:35:09 PM
I'll deny it all I please. Why the hell would I mock rape victims? What I did was shitty because I lied and garnered false sympathy for a girl that doesn't exist. But I don't think that shit's funny.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 01, 2009, 05:42:30 PM
I'll deny it all I please. Why the hell would I mock rape victims? What I did was shitty because I lied and garnered false sympathy for a girl that doesn't exist. But I don't think that shit's funny.

The thing that I don't think you understand is this: You didn't just lie about who you were. You lied about something HUGE. Think about how you would feel if a friend of yours cried on your shoulder because she/he was recently attacked in a way that was similar to something that happened to you... And that he/she lead you on... And then declared one day that she/he lied about it. You wouldn't just be hurt that she/he lied to you, but because it was something that was important to you, something that seriously hurt you. You'd feel like he/she mocked you. I feel like you mocked me, and if I were a betting girl, I'd bet that the shadowbox as a whole would agree with me.
Obviously you don't understand, and I doubt you will ever.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 05:48:39 PM
I understand how it came across, and I'm deeply sorry for that. I'm just saying that that's not what I was trying to do. I don't consider it a joke subject, and didn't mean to make a joke out of it here when I was Alice.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 01, 2009, 05:55:02 PM
I understand how it came across, and I'm deeply sorry for that. I'm just saying that that's not what I was trying to do. I don't consider it a joke subject, and didn't mean to make a joke out of it here when I was Alice.

What you were trying to do and what you DID are two separate things. You can have all the good intentions in the world, but a broken arm is still going to hurt.
And my mother always told me that when you're truly, deeply sorry, you stop trying to defend yourself. All this "but that's not what I meeeaaant" whiny ass bullshit didn't fly with my old lady, and isn't going to fly with me. You're not sorry. You don't necessarily have to bow down and take it up the ass, but really.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 06:29:21 PM
She's got a point...I'm letting my temper get the better of me and that's appalling, considering what we're discussing. And you're right, intentions are irrelevant. I'm very sorry that I did such a stupid, crass thing.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Mockery on February 01, 2009, 06:30:00 PM
Guys, could the two of you please take this to the PMs?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 01, 2009, 06:32:11 PM
Guys, could the two of you please take this to the PMs?

Impossible. I block scumbags.

edit: besides, taking a conversation to PMs would make sense if we were derailing a thread with convo/argument. However, this is a thread specifically created to express hatred/love of alyss/man alice, so I don't think that it would be necessary.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on February 01, 2009, 06:35:06 PM
Guys, could the two of you please take this to the PMs?
This is the appropriate place for this conversation, so I don't see why they should take it to PM's. Unlike many other conversations taking place on this board at the moment, this one was actually on topic.

Impossible. I block scumbags.

 ;D
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 06:37:33 PM
Go ahead and rip into me. This is what the thread's for.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 01, 2009, 06:48:59 PM
Simply warning someone for something like this is kinda weak, especially when it affected the whole board in the way that it did. A post per day limit would have been gracious, and a suspension would have been lenient... but a warning... Ha. Man Alice, you're extremely lucky. Surprisingly lucky. There are a lot of people on this board who are hoping that you'll be banned. And the silliest part of all is that you're not grateful for this. Nah, instead you continue to boast that you're the "invading force," etc. Perhaps you should express some minuscule amount of gratitude by discontinuing your verbal diarrhea and treating the rest of the 'box members as human beings. Or perhaps it is too much to ask.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Mockery on February 01, 2009, 06:56:29 PM
Guys, could the two of you please take this to the PMs?

Impossible. I block scumbags.

edit: besides, taking a conversation to PMs would make sense if we were derailing a thread with convo/argument. However, this is a thread specifically created to express hatred/love of alyss/man alice, so I don't think that it would be necessary.
Okay, it was just a suggestion.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 06:57:09 PM
My custom title is ironic. If you wish me to change it, I will do so, and I welcome suggestions. I wasn't aware that I had, since coming clean, been rude to other SB members. If you can show me an example of this, I'll know what to avoid doing in the future.

My post count, however, I will not come down on. I'm not sorry about how much I post, and will continue to post as much as I wish to. If this offends you, then I'm sorry, but it's something you will have to get used to.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 01, 2009, 07:04:37 PM
My custom title is ironic. If you wish me to change it, I will do so, and I welcome suggestions. I wasn't aware that I had, since coming clean, been rude to other SB members. If you can show me an example of this, I'll know what to avoid doing in the future.

My post count, however, I will not come down on. I'm not sorry about how much I post, and will continue to post as much as I wish to. If this offends you, then I'm sorry, but it's something you will have to get used to.

Whether or not your post count bothers me specifically is irrelevant. Whether or not you're being a childish moron is.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Ecstasia on February 01, 2009, 07:08:12 PM
The fact that it did effect the whole board is what astonishes me.  It was weird. It was stupid.  Whatever.  I don't believe that he intended to mock anyone.  He made outlandish claims but, again, whatever. 

Perhaps this will be a lesson for some not to get so emotionally invested in a person on a message board who they have never met.  I understand that this board is somewhat different than others in that many people do know each other in 'real life' or have made friends because of it.  But that whole line of posts saying that because this is the Dresden Dolls board they instantly trust someone or feel a connection to them is insane to me.  To trust someone online (more than you would someone else) because they like the Dolls is pretty naive and has the potential to be dangerous. 

I don't like or dislike Man Alice either way (well, his excessive posting gets to me), but I don't think what he did has warranted this amount of outrage.  Get over it.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 07:08:37 PM
And, as I said:
I wasn't aware that I had, since coming clean, been rude to other SB members. If you can show me an example of this, I'll know what to avoid doing in the future.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Haushinka on February 01, 2009, 07:13:15 PM
The fact that it did effect the whole board is what astonishes me.  It was weird. It was stupid.  Whatever.  I don't believe that he intended to mock anyone.  He made outlandish claims but, again, whatever. 

Perhaps this will be a lesson for some not to get so emotionally invested in a person on a message board who they have never met.  I understand that this board is somewhat different than others in that many people do know each other in 'real life' or have made friends because of it.  But that whole line of posts saying that because this is the Dresden Dolls board they instantly trust someone or feel a connection to them is insane to me.  To trust someone online (more than you would someone else) because they like the Dolls is pretty naive and has the potential to be dangerous. 

I don't like or dislike Man Alice either way (well, his excessive posting gets to me), but I don't think what he did has warranted this amount of outrage.  Get over it.

He instigated us investing our emotions, he posted as a vulnerable girl, he deceived us. He should leave.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 07:14:34 PM
I'm sorry, but I'm not going. There are enough people here friendly to me to justify staying.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Nala on February 01, 2009, 07:16:39 PM
Regardless of the whole Alyss/Man Alice debarkle, surely the rule regarding excessive photos/topics applies to excessive replying to topics as well does it not?

Seriously, I think getting a post count of over 1000 in only two weeks has to be excessive doesn't it?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 01, 2009, 07:18:02 PM
Ecstasia, perhaps it would make more sense to you if you were a member of the shadowbox for many years. I've come to view a lot of the members on the board (present and otherwise) as family. When that happens, it's hard to pretend like the other people on the forum couldn't fill that role as well.
In addition to this, I am someone affected by the things he pretended he was. Yes, I'm as over the events as one can be, but that doesn't mean I can ignore someone throwing around the word like it's semi-permanent hair dye.
I try to trust people online because they're still PEOPLE. This is the whole idea. I'll even trust someone that I know is an alter. It's part of who I am, that I trust and love. But when someone does something like this? It's not stupid. It's big. And I am perfectly allowed to express my indignation that he's not banned, just as you're allowed to call me naive.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Haushinka on February 01, 2009, 07:19:29 PM
I would like to be able to come to this board which has been good to me for 5 years now and read through my friends postings without it being clogged up with one line, soulless man alice posts.
If you're not going to leave, could you at least cut down the post count? It's not a competition, and it makes you seem more annoying than you probably are.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Ecstasia on February 01, 2009, 07:23:47 PM
The fact that it did effect the whole board is what astonishes me.  It was weird. It was stupid.  Whatever.  I don't believe that he intended to mock anyone.  He made outlandish claims but, again, whatever. 

Perhaps this will be a lesson for some not to get so emotionally invested in a person on a message board who they have never met.  I understand that this board is somewhat different than others in that many people do know each other in 'real life' or have made friends because of it.  But that whole line of posts saying that because this is the Dresden Dolls board they instantly trust someone or feel a connection to them is insane to me.  To trust someone online (more than you would someone else) because they like the Dolls is pretty naive and has the potential to be dangerous. 

I don't like or dislike Man Alice either way (well, his excessive posting gets to me), but I don't think what he did has warranted this amount of outrage.  Get over it.

He instigated us investing our emotions, he posted as a vulnerable girl, he deceived us. He should leave.

I'm trying really hard to understand how you guys feel, but I can't.  You didn't know "her" yet believed everything "she" posted despite the fact that it all seemed really implausible.  You allowed yourselves to be effected (it seems really strongly) by what "she" had to say, again, despite the fact that you had no idea whether or not any of it was true.  Not to sound callous, but if you allowed yourself to be made upset over this situation, it is your own fault.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 07:25:37 PM
I would like to be able to come to this board which has been good to me for 5 years now and read through my friends postings without it being clogged up with one line, soulless man alice posts.
If you're not going to leave, could you at least cut down the post count? It's not a competition, and it makes you seem more annoying than you probably are.
I just keep up with the topics that I've posted in. I'm sorry that it annoys you, but I will continue to post when and where I please. I don't post unless I feel I have something to add or express. Why is high activity seen as a bad thing? I just have a lot of free time. As you may have noticed, my post count has actually gone down recently.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Ecstasia on February 01, 2009, 07:29:10 PM
I would like to be able to come to this board which has been good to me for 5 years now and read through my friends postings without it being clogged up with one line, soulless man alice posts.
If you're not going to leave, could you at least cut down the post count? It's not a competition, and it makes you seem more annoying than you probably are.
I just keep up with the topics that I've posted in. I'm sorry that it annoys you, but I will continue to post when and where I please. I don't post unless I feel I have something to add or express. Why is high activity seen as a bad thing? I just have a lot of free time. As you may have noticed, my post count has actually gone down recently.

I think your high activity can be annoying because, at a certain point, posts no longer contain any substance.  You post merely for the sake of posting and clutter threads.  Find something to fill all that free time.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 07:29:50 PM
Again, an example of this would be appreciated so that I can avoid doing it in the future.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 01, 2009, 07:32:28 PM
The fact that it did effect the whole board is what astonishes me.  It was weird. It was stupid.  Whatever.  I don't believe that he intended to mock anyone.  He made outlandish claims but, again, whatever. 

Perhaps this will be a lesson for some not to get so emotionally invested in a person on a message board who they have never met.  I understand that this board is somewhat different than others in that many people do know each other in 'real life' or have made friends because of it.  But that whole line of posts saying that because this is the Dresden Dolls board they instantly trust someone or feel a connection to them is insane to me.  To trust someone online (more than you would someone else) because they like the Dolls is pretty naive and has the potential to be dangerous. 

I don't like or dislike Man Alice either way (well, his excessive posting gets to me), but I don't think what he did has warranted this amount of outrage.  Get over it.

He instigated us investing our emotions, he posted as a vulnerable girl, he deceived us. He should leave.

I'm trying really hard to understand how you guys feel, but I can't.  You didn't know "her" yet believed everything "she" posted despite the fact that it all seemed really implausible.  You allowed yourselves to be effected (it seems really strongly) by what "she" had to say, again, despite the fact that you had no idea whether or not any of it was true.  Not to sound callous, but if you allowed yourself to be made upset over this situation, it is your own fault.

:facepalm:

The old "you brought it on yourself" line. How insightful! Perhaps it is my fault when people I know do shitty things to me, too!
No, what alice did is on alice and alice alone.

It's strange that you keep reiterating this idea.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Haushinka on February 01, 2009, 07:34:12 PM
The fact that it did effect the whole board is what astonishes me.  It was weird. It was stupid.  Whatever.  I don't believe that he intended to mock anyone.  He made outlandish claims but, again, whatever. 

Perhaps this will be a lesson for some not to get so emotionally invested in a person on a message board who they have never met.  I understand that this board is somewhat different than others in that many people do know each other in 'real life' or have made friends because of it.  But that whole line of posts saying that because this is the Dresden Dolls board they instantly trust someone or feel a connection to them is insane to me.  To trust someone online (more than you would someone else) because they like the Dolls is pretty naive and has the potential to be dangerous. 

I don't like or dislike Man Alice either way (well, his excessive posting gets to me), but I don't think what he did has warranted this amount of outrage.  Get over it.
He instigated us investing our emotions, he posted as a vulnerable girl, he deceived us. He should leave.

I'm trying really hard to understand how you guys feel, but I can't.  You didn't know "her" yet believed everything "she" posted despite the fact that it all seemed really implausible.  You allowed yourselves to be effected (it seems really strongly) by what "she" had to say, again, despite the fact that you had no idea whether or not any of it was true.  Not to sound callous, but if you allowed yourself to be made upset over this situation, it is your own fault.
So it's ok for him to continue posting? I'm sorry, but if this was real life, a real community (which for me, it is, there are many people here I communicate with through other media, and a few I know personally) this would not be the reaction. I just cannot ever like or tolerate someone who posted such things and led us to believe them and questioned us when we didn't. I just don't believe that someone who has done this is a good person or someone I want around here..

I just keep up with the topics that I've posted in. I'm sorry that it annoys you, but I will continue to post when and where I please. I don't post unless I feel I have something to add or express. Why is high activity seen as a bad thing? I just have a lot of free time. As you may have noticed, my post count has actually gone down recently.
It's not a bad thing. But you could certainly condense 10 of your one line posts into one. when I go to my "unread posts" section, 90% are by you. And not one of these posts are worth reading. Fair enough, we have last poster wins and blah, but I'd like to point out that your daily post count is more than half of our average TOTAL daily posts. One man conversations are boring.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 07:38:31 PM
I don't hold one man conversations. Seriously, give me an example so I can see what you mean, and I'll bear it in mind to alter my posting habits.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Haushinka on February 01, 2009, 07:47:52 PM
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My unread replies page. STFU and let someone else talk. I'm not going to adapt to you posting so much, this just isn't how it has ever worked around here. You want to make us happy? Adapt to our ways, just cut down a little, you're obsessive.

And again, you're accounting for OVER half of our daily posts. Indicative of a one man conversation.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 07:50:18 PM
You're being unreasonable. My posting doesn't cut others out of the conversation. If anything, it adds to it. And this:

Seriously, give me an example so I can see what you mean, and I'll bear it in mind to alter my posting habits.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Ecstasia on February 01, 2009, 07:52:02 PM
The fact that it did effect the whole board is what astonishes me.  It was weird. It was stupid.  Whatever.  I don't believe that he intended to mock anyone.  He made outlandish claims but, again, whatever. 

Perhaps this will be a lesson for some not to get so emotionally invested in a person on a message board who they have never met.  I understand that this board is somewhat different than others in that many people do know each other in 'real life' or have made friends because of it.  But that whole line of posts saying that because this is the Dresden Dolls board they instantly trust someone or feel a connection to them is insane to me.  To trust someone online (more than you would someone else) because they like the Dolls is pretty naive and has the potential to be dangerous. 

I don't like or dislike Man Alice either way (well, his excessive posting gets to me), but I don't think what he did has warranted this amount of outrage.  Get over it.
He instigated us investing our emotions, he posted as a vulnerable girl, he deceived us. He should leave.

I'm trying really hard to understand how you guys feel, but I can't.  You didn't know "her" yet believed everything "she" posted despite the fact that it all seemed really implausible.  You allowed yourselves to be effected (it seems really strongly) by what "she" had to say, again, despite the fact that you had no idea whether or not any of it was true.  Not to sound callous, but if you allowed yourself to be made upset over this situation, it is your own fault.
So it's ok for him to continue posting? I'm sorry, but if this was real life, a real community (which for me, it is, there are many people here I communicate with through other media, and a few I know personally) this would not be the reaction. I just cannot ever like or tolerate someone who posted such things and led us to believe them and questioned us when we didn't. I just don't believe that someone who has done this is a good person or someone I want around here..

Despite the fact that it is a "real" community to many people (and to a certain point, I agree with that as there are real interactions taking place), a distinction has to be made.  I don't argue with anyone for becoming close with members outside of the forum, but do it with discretion.  If you wish to involve your own emotions, I recommend that it be done after a considerable period of time.  This is the internet and even though it is easy to become comfortable in the Shadowbox, one should still use the discernment they would on any other online community.

Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on February 01, 2009, 07:54:13 PM
One of the things I love about Shadowbox that most other forums don't have is the closeness of its members. Most people are so welcome and close here, it's beautiful.

And yes, Alice did disrupt that bond, but could we work past repair? And yes, the posting is a constant reminder of that disruption, so coming from a healing point of view, the constant posting does worsen it just a bit.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Mr. Leave Me Alone on February 01, 2009, 07:56:02 PM

Despite the fact that it is a "real" community to many people (and to a certain point, I agree with that as there are real interactions taking place), a distinction has to be made.  I don't argue with anyone for becoming close with members outside of the forum, but do it with discretion.  If you wish to involve your own emotions, I recommend that it be done after a considerable period of time.  This is the internet and even though it is easy to become comfortable in the Shadowbox, one should still use the discernment they would on any other online community.



What Man Alice did was hurtful regardless of how much or how little time it was done in. I think some of that even comes from the fact that a lot of us didn't believe any of it. Most of the close relationships I've noticed/heard of people building on here have been created over larger amounts of time or in the real world.
Because of that, people LIKE being on here and enjoy the other people on here. Man Alice just went ahead and made people angry by posting irritating things, non-stop and that sort of ruined some of the good things people associate with being here.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 07:58:19 PM
I try very hard not to irritate with the content of my posts these days. Anything previously, I can only apologise for.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 01, 2009, 07:59:14 PM
Despite the fact that it is a "real" community to many people (and to a certain point, I agree with that as there are real interactions taking place), a distinction has to be made.  I don't argue with anyone for becoming close with members outside of the forum, but do it with discretion.  If you wish to involve your own emotions, I recommend that it be done after a considerable period of time.  This is the internet and even though it is easy to become comfortable in the Shadowbox, one should still use the discernment they would on any other online community.

Can one necessarily direct one's emotions? Sure, you can say to yourself "oh, ignore her, she just gets off on pretending to be righteous," but can you completely ignore someone completely? Can you really look at someone saying to you "I was raped and I'm in a psych ward," without some amount of pity in your heart, regardless of whether or not they are speaking to you in person or on the internet? Especially if 1) you were raped, 2) you were in a psych ward, and 3) you had major psychological issues?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Haushinka on February 01, 2009, 08:00:03 PM
You want an example? Ok, read through your user posts, then look up, say, somewhatty, Kenny Wisdom, Sylvia, Fishbulb, CeeGBee, Yosmark or Jesse.
Compare. These people all have points to make. You don't, besides arguing that your own existence here isn't futile.

I'm not being unreasonable. How is it unreasonable for me to ask you to cut down your post count? There is no sane argument here. You post too much. You are annoying. Find someone other than yourself who doesn't agree with this. then I might consider your argument. Your pointless and meaningless posts only dumb down this forum. And I'm not even going to bring up the fact that you are an offensive character and haven't really done much to make anyone feel otherwise.

Quit posting like this is an IM conversation. It's not. Try to put some thought and intelligence into your posts. Quality, not Quantity.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BaronLaCroix on February 01, 2009, 08:09:55 PM
Quit posting like this is an IM conversation. It's not. Try to put some thought and intelligence into your posts. Quality, not Quantity.
Second.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 08:11:07 PM
http://www.theshadowbox.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2754;sa=showPosts
http://www.theshadowbox.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=697;sa=showPosts

Quote from: Me
Fair enough. I retract my suggestion.
Quote from: Yoshi
In the Aeroplane over the sea is such a beautiful song

Quote from: Me
Ouch...I'll go with ableism because it makes slightly more sense.

Racism or sexism?
Quote from: Yoshi
You know what creeps me out, this:
http://thegreatgeekmanual.com/images/humor/motivational/november/motivational-poster-cosplay-horrible-warning.jpg

Quote from: Me
I try very hard not to irritate with the content of my posts these days. Anything previously, I can only apologise for.
Quote from: Yoshi
Yeah & about Rob Zombie re-doing Halloween 2, I am not excited as I am a fan of Halloween & I thought his remake sucked.

Show me the difference, Haushinka. Show me where Yoshi's posts get more meaningful and deep than mine. I'm just online more, that's the only difference.

And you are being unreasonable. You're asking me to change my posting habits because it annoys you. Your posting habits annoy me. Why shouldn't I tell you do change yours?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Haushinka on February 01, 2009, 08:16:15 PM
http://www.theshadowbox.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2754;sa=showPosts
http://www.theshadowbox.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=697;sa=showPosts

Quote from: Me
Fair enough. I retract my suggestion.
Quote from: Yoshi
In the Aeroplane over the sea is such a beautiful song

Quote from: Me
Ouch...I'll go with ableism because it makes slightly more sense.

Racism or sexism?
Quote from: Yoshi
You know what creeps me out, this:
http://thegreatgeekmanual.com/images/humor/motivational/november/motivational-poster-cosplay-horrible-warning.jpg

Quote from: Me
I try very hard not to irritate with the content of my posts these days. Anything previously, I can only apologise for.
Quote from: Yoshi
Yeah & about Rob Zombie re-doing Halloween 2, I am not excited as I am a fan of Halloween & I thought his remake sucked.

Show me the difference, Haushinka. Show me where Yoshi's posts get more meaningful and deep than mine. I'm just online more, that's the only difference.

And you are being unreasonable. You're asking me to change my posting habits because it annoys you. Your posting habits annoy me. Why shouldn't I tell you do change yours?

I hope you understand that by choosing him to compare yourself to you're getting personal. Yoshiki can post whatever the fuck he likes, and you know why? Because he is a longstanding member of this community, he has never ever offended anybody like you have and never will. Here's something else to consider- Yoshiki posts about things he likes and dislikes, and maybe posts 10 a day. You post about nothing of any relevance, at a rate of 150 a day.

People care about Yoshiki. A hell of a lot more people than care about you.

So, how exactly have my posting habits annoyed you?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Half Mar on February 01, 2009, 08:17:37 PM
And you are being unreasonable. You're asking me to change my posting habits because it annoys you. Your posting habits annoy me. Why shouldn't I tell you do change yours?

Because a large amount of the 'box are annoyed by your posts, and not at all by Hauhinka's?


I hope you know you're not making very much sense.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Mr. Leave Me Alone on February 01, 2009, 08:17:47 PM
I'm going to give you my opinion on this, even though you'll probably ignore it as much as anything else.
There seems to be little behind your posts, it's just aimless...stuff. I haven't noticed a tonne of personality, there. It's one word responses and, since you admitted who you are, apologies that are phrased in a way that seems somewhat cold or blank.
People on here know and like Yoshi a lot. And how do you get people to like you on a forum, where you can't be judged for actions, but rather words? You say things that interest them and give them a reason to care about you.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Ecstasia on February 01, 2009, 08:18:13 PM
Can one necessarily direct one's emotions? Sure, you can say to yourself "oh, ignore her, she just gets off on pretending to be righteous," but can you completely ignore someone completely? Can you really look at someone saying to you "I was raped and I'm in a psych ward," without some amount of pity in your heart, regardless of whether or not they are speaking to you in person or on the internet? Especially if 1) you were raped, 2) you were in a psych ward, and 3) you had major psychological issues?

I have not been raped or been in a psych ward nor have I had any disgnosed pyschological problems.  I'm hoping that that doesn't cause my argument to be automatically deemed invalid.  I feel like emotions, to a certain extent, can be directed. Or perhaps guarded would be a better word.  What I witnessed was some girl coming onto the forum, saying she was raped, in a psych ward and other similarly outrageous things.  The first thing I thought was that she was an attention whore (though the whole incest portion had me intrigued), but didn't completely rule it out.  This is the internet and people love to do that kind of stuff.  Had she stayed and given me reason to believe her, then I might have felt bad.  But I would not allow myself to become so invested that , if something like this situation occurred, I would feel betrayed or as if I had been made a fool of. Perhaps because this girl claimed to be in a similar situation that you are in or have been in, you were more likely to empathize.  But, again, because you can never really know anyone (unless of course you have met them or talked to them for some time), I would just be more careful with my emotions.  And please don't take that last statement as me being condescending because that is not how I meant it at all.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Mr. Leave Me Alone on February 01, 2009, 08:20:00 PM
You don't seem to be keeping in mind that a lot of people didn't actually believe it and a lot of this is coming from people feeling pissed off and offended by how lightly Man Alice seems to take horrible things that people around here have actually been through.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 08:25:39 PM
I post about my likes and dislikes, just more often. The thing with this isn't that I post a lot, it's that you don't like me. If that's the case, please just say so. Why bother going on about my post count at all?

Actually, you were the one that brought Yoshi into this (emphasis mine):

You want an example? Ok, read through your user posts, then look up, say, somewhatty, Kenny Wisdom, Sylvia, Fishbulb, CeeGBee, Yosmark or Jesse.
Compare. These people all have points to make. You don't, besides arguing that your own existence here isn't futile.

I personally quite like the guy and wish he was around more often.

And what nnoys me about your posting habits? You post too little. I'd like you to post 100 posts a day. If you do that, I'll limit myself to 50.


If people want to know about me, they can PM me. I'd love more people to PM me. At the moment it's just Britt, though I do dearly value the company. Or, take a look in 'Shit that ruined/made your day', 'People I'd like to Bang', 'Movies you LOVE and would urge others to see', 'The Writer's Thread', 'Shit that pisses you the fuck off', 'The Gush about your crush thread', and 'The only girl I ever loved' thread. In all of those, I'm there, speaking about who I am. I post more in threads like 'Last Poster WIns II' because it's a more active thread; someone posts, I respond.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Half Mar on February 01, 2009, 08:29:34 PM
Oh believe me, this whole thing isn't just about your postcount, or whether or not liking you. It's a whole lot more. And I show my likings and dislikings too, it's just how you say it. And it has to do with being respectful towards other persons with human feelings around here.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Haushinka on February 01, 2009, 08:30:15 PM
Ugh there really is no point in arguing with you is there?
 Ok, your high post count fills this box with fodder I don't care for and I no longer enjoy this place as a result of it. No, I'm not holding you accountable for my feelings, the 'box has been going downhill for at least 6 months now, but you have proved the straw that broke the camels back.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 08:32:12 PM
Oh believe me, this whole thing isn't just about your postcount, or whether or not liking you. It's a whole lot more. And I show my likings and dislikings too, it's just how you say it. And it has to do with being respectful towards other persons with human feelings around here.
So show me where I'm not showing respect, and I'll correct it. Please, I'm really trying to improve.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 01, 2009, 08:35:36 PM
Can one necessarily direct one's emotions? Sure, you can say to yourself "oh, ignore her, she just gets off on pretending to be righteous," but can you completely ignore someone completely? Can you really look at someone saying to you "I was raped and I'm in a psych ward," without some amount of pity in your heart, regardless of whether or not they are speaking to you in person or on the internet? Especially if 1) you were raped, 2) you were in a psych ward, and 3) you had major psychological issues?

I have not been raped or been in a psych ward nor have I had any disgnosed pyschological problems.  I'm hoping that that doesn't cause my argument to be automatically deemed invalid.  I feel like emotions, to a certain extent, can be directed. Or perhaps guarded would be a better word.  What I witnessed was some girl coming onto the forum, saying she was raped, in a psych ward and other similarly outrageous things.  The first thing I thought was that she was an attention whore (though the whole incest portion had me intrigued), but didn't completely rule it out.  This is the internet and people love to do that kind of stuff.  Had she stayed and given me reason to believe her, then I might have felt bad.  But I would not allow myself to become so invested that , if something like this situation occurred, I would feel betrayed or as if I had been made a fool of. Perhaps because this girl claimed to be in a similar situation that you are in or have been in, you were more likely to empathize.  But, again, because you can never really know anyone (unless of course you have met them or talked to them for some time), I would just be more careful with my emotions.  And please don't take that last statement as me being condescending because that is not how I meant it at all.

No, your argument isn't necessarily invalid. It certainly applies to you, since you obviously are better at the internet than everyone else. But to order others from different perspectives to "get over it" is what I'm trying to argue against. You don't understand the other views. Instead, you're shutting them down because we apparently should have known better than to give someone the benefit of the doubt. What I've been saying are the reasons why I'm upset, and what you've been saying is that regardless of my life experiences, it's my own damn fault that I'm upset. I am very careful with my emotions, but I don't bottle everything up and pretend that I have none.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 01, 2009, 08:36:18 PM
Please, I'm really trying to improve.

Fixed.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 08:37:05 PM
I'm sorry you feel that way.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Ecstasia on February 01, 2009, 08:37:45 PM
Fair enough.  I don't think I will understand why people are upset and you clearly disagree with my view, so I think I'll leave mine at what I have said already.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Goodbye-Umbrella on February 01, 2009, 08:43:08 PM
wow this really isnt a nice thread at all. i understand a lot of you are angry at him, but its not very nice to make a whole thread attacking someone, if you have a problem with it, you could really just pm him to say so. i mean the derailing of the threads isnt his fault alone, everyone who got offended at what he's said and decided to argue with him in the thread isntead of PMing complaints to him, contributed to the derailing...

sorry if i sound all preachy, i just think this thread has a very negative vibe about it and i like this to be a happy place...
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 08:44:35 PM
It was a massive betrayal of trust. If they want a thread to scream about it, they deserves at least that much.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 01, 2009, 08:47:31 PM
Goodbye_Umbrella, if anyone else has the same motives as I do, this is public for these reasons:
1) to acknowledge other people who agree with you and make them aware that they are not alone.
2) so the mods can see that there are people who want man alice to be punished for his massive betrayal of the community's trust.
3) because swearing is fun!
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on February 01, 2009, 09:16:49 PM
I would like to be able to come to this board which has been good to me for 5 years now and read through my friends postings without it being clogged up with one line, soulless man alice posts.
You just said exactly what I wanted to say.

Quit posting like this is an IM conversation. It's not. Try to put some thought and intelligence into your posts. Quality, not Quantity.
Second.
Thirded.

Show me the difference, Haushinka. Show me where Yoshi's posts get more meaningful and deep than mine. I'm just online more, that's the only difference.
And you are being unreasonable. You're asking me to change my posting habits because it annoys you. Your posting habits annoy me. Why shouldn't I tell you do change yours?
Fuck off.




 
 
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 09:19:36 PM
My offer of the 100/50 split stands. I want people to post more.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Haushinka on February 01, 2009, 09:21:31 PM
My offer of the 100/50 split stands. I want people to post more.

I don't want to post more. We'll post when we want to. You hold no influence here other than that to annoy us.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Ecstasia on February 01, 2009, 09:23:02 PM
Most people post when they actually have something to contribute.  Your 151.364 posts per day are not the norm.  No need to post everything that comes to mind.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 09:25:55 PM
My offer of the 100/50 split stands. I want people to post more.

I don't want to post more. We'll post when we want to. You hold no influence here other than that to annoy us.
Likewise, honey, I'll post when I want to. I don't want to post less.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Haushinka on February 01, 2009, 09:30:23 PM
We were asking you to post less becuase there was a reason to- your posting habits are extreme and annoying. Nobody else is.

OK. I will say no more on the posting subject.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 09:36:06 PM
Thank you, I appreciate that.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 01, 2009, 10:01:08 PM
example of alice's worthless posts:

http://www.theshadowbox.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2754;sa=showPosts

oh wait
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 01, 2009, 10:02:58 PM
All of them? Or just some? In which case, which ones?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 01, 2009, 10:03:52 PM
All of them? Or just some? In which case, which ones?

all of them
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: ratsforcandy on February 02, 2009, 12:25:20 AM
I really don't understand where this thread came from, ahahaha. Please just gtfo "man alice." Jesus. You're just a big bag of d. What you did was pathetic, and it's been said over and over. You're such an ass, and it's an impression that's just going to stay with everyone who got it for as long as you're here. There's no going back from what you did. I don't even know why you're still sticking around.

 :tool:
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: yosmark on February 02, 2009, 12:35:46 AM
Ecstasia, perhaps it would make more sense to you if you were a member of the shadowbox for many years. I've come to view a lot of the members on the board (present and otherwise) as family. When that happens, it's hard to pretend like the other people on the forum couldn't fill that role as well.
In addition to this, I am someone affected by the things he pretended he was. Yes, I'm as over the events as one can be, but that doesn't mean I can ignore someone throwing around the word like it's semi-permanent hair dye.
I try to trust people online because they're still PEOPLE. This is the whole idea. I'll even trust someone that I know is an alter. It's part of who I am, that I trust and love. But when someone does something like this? It's not stupid. It's big. And I am perfectly allowed to express my indignation that he's not banned, just as you're allowed to call me naive.

True that.

See, Ecstasia maybe you are not so connected to this forum but meh, I am (a lot of people is too) this is a society  possibly not considered "a real one" because it is held over the internet, but it difinetly is because we are in an era of technology, computers & blah blah blah as an example in other years I can picture people saying things like "you are not really a writer if you are using a computer that is just silly" ... I even do that when people say things about downloading music I go like "you are not listening to music you are listening to a poorly compressed file... do you consider that music?" but yeah, I have been here for a long time (not as long as other people but a long time) & I do the same thing that Sarah do, I try to trust in people maybe is something just silly for you but for some other people it is not.



http://www.theshadowbox.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2754;sa=showPosts
http://www.theshadowbox.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=697;sa=showPosts

Quote from: Me
Fair enough. I retract my suggestion.
Quote from: Yoshi
In the Aeroplane over the sea is such a beautiful song

Quote from: Me
Ouch...I'll go with ableism because it makes slightly more sense.

Racism or sexism?
Quote from: Yoshi
You know what creeps me out, this:
http://thegreatgeekmanual.com/images/humor/motivational/november/motivational-poster-cosplay-horrible-warning.jpg

Quote from: Me
I try very hard not to irritate with the content of my posts these days. Anything previously, I can only apologise for.
Quote from: Yoshi
Yeah & about Rob Zombie re-doing Halloween 2, I am not excited as I am a fan of Halloween & I thought his remake sucked.

Show me the difference, Haushinka. Show me where Yoshi's posts get more meaningful and deep than mine. I'm just online more, that's the only difference.

And you are being unreasonable. You're asking me to change my posting habits because it annoys you. Your posting habits annoy me. Why shouldn't I tell you do change yours?

& well... yeah I kinda see that comming but a long time ago thats why I would ask it to people... I will appear to be deffensive but those posts that you quoted were from threads like the last poster which is a game & the random thought thread which is supposed to be random, but you know... anyway:

http://www.theshadowbox.net/forum/index.php?topic=5424.msg153559#msg153559

Am I one of those annoying postwhores?  :-\

Nope.

Am I one of those annoying postwhores?  :-\

You would be if we didn't all love you so much. But we do, so that's ok!

Am I one of those annoying postwhores?  :-\

Not in the least, dearest.

Am I one of those annoying postwhores?  :-\

Hell no. You have real things to say. I can honestly say that I have never once been annoyed by you.

Am I one of those annoying postwhores?  :-\

Hell no. You have real things to say. I can honestly say that I have never once been annoyed by you.

Seconded.

Am I one of those annoying postwhores?  :-\


I am going to be the millionth person to quote this?
You be awesome.
 O0

This is a strange thread. I was on a site with one of these once and it turned into fighting and the whole site ended up being shut down.
Good times.

So, I know I am not annoying & I appreciate you like me but really ... so many posts, I would post many more when you were Alyss because I felt bad for you but... meh you can keep as long as there is not a *rule.

*HINT MODS DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!


btw thanks Cat, Audrey & Sheri.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Edric. on February 02, 2009, 02:16:10 AM
i kind of feel like all of the complaining is just feeding this and that its actually more annoying than man alice's posts.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Rini Martini on February 02, 2009, 05:04:05 AM
As I said before, I simply cannot understand why you would hog an entire forum when only a tiny minority have any desire to communicate with you. Though I'm simply taking your word for that Man Alice, I find it hard to believe that literally anyone wants you here. If, for whatever reason, they actually do, talk to them through emails - you don't need to communicate with the rest of us. I don't understand why you'd want to force yourself upon people who don't want you around.

It's pathetic that you post so often - perhaps if you got out more and spent more time in the real world, you might understand the basic principles of social interaction:

1. Don't fuck with people's trust.
2. Know where you're not wanted.
3. Let someone else get a word in edgeways!


Your post-count pisses me off so much. I know I shouldn't let you, but you are putting me off this forum altogether. Everytime I open a topic, you're there, with your stupid, hollow input. We can't force you to leave, but I don't understand how the hell this is a desirable social environment for you. Look how passionately people feel about you shutting up - does that say nothing to you?

(By the way, I find it absolutely laughable that you suggested that Haushinka annoys you because she doesn't post enough. Right, so you log into Shadowbox, you take a look around, and you genuinely sit there thinking to yourself - 'Ohh that Haushinka, she hasn't posted on ANYTHING today! Why oh why is she spoiling this forum for everyone... How very selfish of her.'.)


Mods, please ban this guy - we beg of you. Or at least enforce an actual post-limit that can't be exceeded. Personally I consider anything above 10 a day excessive.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 02, 2009, 06:17:51 AM
post-limit

I *really* like that idea.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 02, 2009, 06:22:28 AM
i kind of feel like all of the complaining is just feeding this and that its actually more annoying than man alice's posts.

Do you really think that?

The difference is that this is one thread which can easily be ignored, while Alice's posts are 170 a day in many different threads and they are unavoidable.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BaronLaCroix on February 02, 2009, 07:58:44 AM
i kind of feel like all of the complaining is just feeding this and that its actually more annoying than man alice's posts.

Do you really think that?

The difference is that this is one thread which can easily be ignored, while Alice's posts are 170 a day in many different threads and they are unavoidable.
I'm inclined to agree; at least this way the vitriol is contained in a single thread.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: ~Louise~ on February 02, 2009, 08:58:21 AM
man alice, do you even like the dolls/amanda?  im pretty sure 99-100% of your posts are all in the lower section of the forum.  seriously, find yourself a hobby and reduce your post count or leave
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Alyss on February 02, 2009, 10:50:09 AM
Yes, I'm a big fan of the Dolls and afp.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Mockery on February 02, 2009, 11:28:01 AM
<a href="http://tinypic.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i42.tinypic.com/aaan81.jpg" border="0" alt="Image and video hosting by TinyPic">[/url]

My unread replies page. STFU and let someone else talk. I'm not going to adapt to you posting so much, this just isn't how it has ever worked around here. You want to make us happy? Adapt to our ways, just cut down a little, you're obsessive.

And again, you're accounting for OVER half of our daily posts. Indicative of a one man conversation.
Wow, someone really loves to see themselves talk. Can you say God complex?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bill H on February 02, 2009, 12:11:36 PM
The problem has been handled for the time being.  I have muted "Man Alice". 
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on February 02, 2009, 12:12:11 PM
The problem has been handled for the time being.  I have muted "Man Alice". 
What does that mean, exactly?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bill H on February 02, 2009, 12:14:26 PM
He can still read the board but can't post. 

The problem has been handled for the time being.  I have muted "Man Alice". 
What does that mean, exactly?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Jamiemm on February 02, 2009, 12:54:53 PM
He can still read the board but can't post.
:headbang:
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BaronLaCroix on February 02, 2009, 01:45:41 PM
He can still read the board but can't post. 
:occasion14: Cheers, mate.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on February 02, 2009, 02:37:23 PM
He can still read the board but can't post. 

The problem has been handled for the time being.  I have muted "Man Alice". 
What does that mean, exactly?

For how long?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bill H on February 02, 2009, 03:06:26 PM
Indefinitely.

He can still read the board but can't post. 

The problem has been handled for the time being.  I have muted "Man Alice". 
What does that mean, exactly?

For how long?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on February 02, 2009, 04:48:29 PM
Does this mean he can still check is messages?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bill H on February 02, 2009, 04:54:41 PM
Yes & he also has contact info in his profile if you want to stay in touch.

Does this mean he can still check is messages?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Indja on February 02, 2009, 04:57:05 PM
This is ri-fucking-diculous (which just goes to show, you really can put an obscenity in the middle of any multi-syllable word!). The kid fucked up. At least he came clean - I could be somebody completely different to who I say I am on here, and have kept it up for ages. Ok, so what he said was offensive, but he's apologised - aren't we open-minded enough to accept that? I thought the SB was somewhere you could be accepted, not constantly hounded for one fuck-up, epic though it was. And yeah, so he posts a lot - so? Not all of it's irrelevant, and it's gotten better recently. More of the off-topic posts I've seen are about Man Alice, not from him.

Maybe this mute thing's a good idea - for a while. Give us all some time to cool off or whatever. But I don't think blocking Man Alice is any kind of plan, good or bad - if nothing else, he could just make a new account. Be someone else again, only not say it this time. I think people need to calm down, and accept that this is the internet - people are going to lie about who they are. And you can't expect people to be lovely and perfect all the time, the best you can do is try to be at least civil to them in the hope it rubs off.

/rant. Now, who's for some key lime pie??
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: CeeGBee on February 02, 2009, 05:04:09 PM
Ok, so what he said was offensive, but he's apologised - aren't we open-minded enough to accept that?
Remember when we discussed the concept of "pro forma"....?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Indja on February 02, 2009, 05:04:31 PM
Ok, so what he said was offensive, but he's apologised - aren't we open-minded enough to accept that?
Remember when we discussed the concept of "pro forma"....?

Um. No. What does that mean again?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: CeeGBee on February 02, 2009, 05:07:16 PM
Ok, so what he said was offensive, but he's apologised - aren't we open-minded enough to accept that?
Remember when we discussed the concept of "pro forma"....?

Um. No. What does that mean again?
He said "I'm sorry", but clearly felt no remorse, nor did he even show that he really grasped why
his behaviour had really pissed some people off (as opposed to people like me who just dislike
alt-personas).



Also, he started posting a whole lot of utterly pointless shit. 
Not mean or argumentative, just space-filling.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Indja on February 02, 2009, 05:10:57 PM
Ok, so what he said was offensive, but he's apologised - aren't we open-minded enough to accept that?
Remember when we discussed the concept of "pro forma"....?

Um. No. What does that mean again?
He said "I'm sorry", but clearly felt no remorse, nor did he even show that he really grasped why
his behaviour had really pissed some people off (as opposed to people like me who just dislike
alt-personas).



Also, he started posting a whole lot of utterly pointless shit. 
Not mean or argumentative, just space-filling.

Ah, whatever. I tried to care, I'm giving up now - do what you like! I'm going to bed.

That came out snottier than I meant it to - sorry. I just mean, I've said what I think, it's clearly pointless, so I'm giving up. Night! xxx
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: CeeGBee on February 02, 2009, 05:24:59 PM
G'night Indja!

Pleasant dreams...   :)
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Kenny Wisdom on February 02, 2009, 05:35:30 PM
(http://www.brooklynpaper.com/assets/photos/30/35/30_35_chalklinemosher_z.jpg)
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 02, 2009, 05:54:07 PM
Wow...well then.  *ahem*  Getting on, shall we?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Mockery on February 02, 2009, 06:14:35 PM
He can still read the board but can't post. 

The problem has been handled for the time being.  I have muted "Man Alice". 
What does that mean, exactly?
Well at least we get a break.

I feel bad for being so bitchy towards him and I was in a bad mood but that's not an excuse. Either way, I think this was a good idea.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: CeeGBee on February 03, 2009, 12:46:06 AM
Mister Wisdom, why is that woman drawing a chalk-line across the street?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Kenny Wisdom on February 03, 2009, 01:38:03 AM
Mister Wisdom, why is that woman drawing a chalk-line across the street?

Kenny Wisdoms Pick-N-Mix-Joke-A-Rama-Pick-an-Answer Service®

[Delete as applicable]

1. To get to the other side.

2. Because a pervert was attached.

3. To prove to the possum it could actually be done.

4. It was an historical inevitability.

5. Because of an excess of light pink gooey stuff in its pancreas.

6. You allow your gender bias stereotype conditioning to presuppose that long hair and vaguely gender-assigned clothing means it's a woman. That's why we should draw a line. Amen, phallus.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: CeeGBee on February 03, 2009, 02:43:33 AM
So what you're saying is....

That woman works for Nigella's legal representation, and she's demonstrating in clearest terms
exactly how close you may come to the house before you're in violation of the restraining order...

Right?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: 85283-071 on February 03, 2009, 03:11:36 AM
With all due respect to Kovacs, "not feeding the trolls" is a problematic concept on so many levels. First of all, it assumes intent, and people are notoriously and grossly inept at that. Secondly, it assumes that a community could ever really act in conjunction like that. Suggesting it is just a "the end is near" sandwich board. It also utilizes a label. Trolls. It's absurd. Who knows what a troll is? I see peopel being called trolls because their words upset some people. I see people with noble objectives being called trolls. I don't even see any evidence that a community, as a whole, has a sense of when they are gaining something from such a thing. Then we get people all worked up, being reinforced in their overreactions (with all due respect to Rini Martini) instead of helping them contextualize something that is more like the real world than the indignant deceived like to acknowledge. Then... a silencing? I agree that the post rate is a little ridiculous, but so were many posters when they first popped up on the scene. The kid is a drama major. I honestly don't know what was posted. I haven't read the items of offense, but I bet I know where the power of the lies is coming from.

Ignore? I think that's the unhealthiest way a community can deal with anything. No... it's the second unhealthiest. Silencing someone is worse. If you let this kid post, eventually he will either become a normal member of the community or he will wander somewhere else. You lack trust for him? Then don't send him money. You don't like what he says? Respond or don't Anything done as a statement, and anything done to solve it as a problem, is misguided action.

In my opinion.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Kovacs on February 03, 2009, 03:28:17 AM
Ignoring the trolls, board wide, never works in practice. I didn't really expect it to. Someone always takes the bait.

But it really is the only way to deal with them. You're kind of assigning far, far too much depth to the term troll (at least how I envision it), and it does have a solid definition. One who is not on a board for the general interest that the others have, but there to invoke reactions from people, either positive or negative. They watch topics go by, and post everywhere, hoping someone takes the bait. Like....you know.......trolling for fish?  :D

Most do not have motives beyond antagonizing. But you and I don't really agree on the benefits of antagonization for it's own sake, so it doesn't surprise me you'd disagree with me here.

This kids biggest tell was him still having the sig, tagline, and custom text he did. Each apology and attempt at friendliness was hilarious given in that context.




And the post rate was far, far beyond She, Ma Chao, Seth, any of them. It wasn't just distracting, it was overwhelming. You might find something positive there, but it'd be tough. Then again, I'm not sure I support the silencing either, though I can't offer an alternative solution.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bill H on February 03, 2009, 03:35:15 AM
He and I have talked and he agrees that I made the right move but out of curiosity, how do these things tend to play out on your forum?  I've never been on a forum where no one is banned and I might could learn from that. 

With all due respect to Kovacs, "not feeding the trolls" is a problematic concept on so many levels. First of all, it assumes intent, and people are notoriously and grossly inept at that. Secondly, it assumes that a community could ever really act in conjunction like that. Suggesting it is just a "the end is near" sandwich board. It also utilizes a label. Trolls. It's absurd. Who knows what a troll is? I see peopel being called trolls because their words upset some people. I see people with noble objectives being called trolls. I don't even see any evidence that a community, as a whole, has a sense of when they are gaining something from such a thing. Then we get people all worked up, being reinforced in their overreactions (with all due respect to Rini Martini) instead of helping them contextualize something that is more like the real world than the indignant deceived like to acknowledge. Then... a silencing? I agree that the post rate is a little ridiculous, but so were many posters when they first popped up on the scene. The kid is a drama major. I honestly don't know what was posted. I haven't read the items of offense, but I bet I know where the power of the lies is coming from.

Ignore? I think that's the unhealthiest way a community can deal with anything. No... it's the second unhealthiest. Silencing someone is worse. If you let this kid post, eventually he will either become a normal member of the community or he will wander somewhere else. You lack trust for him? Then don't send him money. You don't like what he says? Respond or don't Anything done as a statement, and anything done to solve it as a problem, is misguided action.

In my opinion.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 03, 2009, 03:50:07 AM
I've been banned from his forum.

*snerk*

Maybe you don't wanna learn from great, ancient master Numbers.  I kick forum, and indeed FORUM KICK BACK!
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: fishbulb on February 03, 2009, 03:59:43 AM
I have been banned from his forum as well. I am pretty clueless as to why, but it still makes me feel badass.  8)

Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bill H on February 03, 2009, 04:37:29 AM
Surely you both jest?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: fishbulb on February 03, 2009, 04:44:02 AM
Nope. I got invited to his forum, and then I got banned, a couple of months later. I sent a pm asking for an explanation, never got an answer. Some comments in a thread lead me to believe that "she just doesn't get this community" or my low post count (maybe Alice should join VV?) were the reasons, but I find that hard to believe.

Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Rini Martini on February 03, 2009, 05:13:09 AM
Then we get people all worked up, being reinforced in their overreactions (with all due respect to Rini Martini) instead of helping them contextualize something that is more like the real world than the indignant deceived like to acknowledge. Then... a silencing? I agree that the post rate is a little ridiculous, but so were many posters when they first popped up on the scene. The kid is a drama major. I honestly don't know what was posted. I haven't read the items of offense, but I bet I know where the power of the lies is coming from.



Admittedly, my last post on this topic was a tad dramatic. Sorry. The whole issue just really got to me, the guy pissed me off. 'The items of offense', which you say you haven't read, really were offensive. He messed with subjects that just shouldn't be messed with. It annoyed me that he was still imposing on this whole community (many of whom had been seriously hurt by him), with his stupidly high post-count. As Kovacs said, it wasn't just distracting, it was overwhelming..... (And hey, I'd also just had a bad day.)

But come on, be fair, I was so not the only one who reacted that way - this is a 15 page thread.

I am now officially retaking my vow not to post on this subject!
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Kenny Wisdom on February 03, 2009, 05:52:28 AM
So what you're saying is....

That woman works for Nigella's legal representation, and she's demonstrating in clearest terms
exactly how close you may come to the house before you're in violation of the restraining order...

Right?

In my defence it was a simple misunderstanding. Nigella said, and I quote, "Come any closer, Kenny, and I'll swing for you..."

Now, you have to see her chandaliers to understand where my confusion came from. All sorted now.

100 metres.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: fishbulb on February 03, 2009, 06:15:21 AM
Ah! I know a saggy boobs joke as well!  ;D

Grandkid: "Grandma, can I play with your boobs?"

Grandma: "Of course, child, but don't wander off".

Any misinterpretation of Kennies post was accidental and provided the entrée for my horrible joke. TM
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Kenny Wisdom on February 03, 2009, 01:14:06 PM
Oi!
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: 85283-071 on February 03, 2009, 08:54:57 PM
He and I have talked and he agrees that I made the right move but out of curiosity, how do these things tend to play out on your forum?  I've never been on a forum where no one is banned and I might could learn from that. 

Among the first things I ever discussed regarding the building of violating voices were the limited and specific circumstances under which someone would be denied membership. I have found it difficult to explain, because what I say is at odds with what people predict I mean. For instance, the notion that there was intellectual criteria for membership. I said there was not, but the idea never went away. I stated over and over that interest in such a community environment was the prerequisite for joining. An intent to impede pursuit of the concept was, pretty much, an indication that the interest did not exist. That was never really a problem. People knew where they were going.

The list of exclusionary qualifications was repeated here and there, multiple times, and I stated it to pretty much every joining member. Any behavior that was in violation of the law would not be tolerated. Personal, offline relationships were to be considered in making decisions about membership. Situations in which a person's presence felt threatening to another person was to be grounds for discontinuation of forum participation.

The only adjustments I have made have had to do with privacy. A leading objective of mine was to facilitate open conversation. Depth. A fair percentage of members expressed a desire to participate in this in an environment in which the casual observer (employer, landlord, spouse... whatever) would have difficulty stumbling upon a confessions meant for the community, as opposed to any authority in one's offline life.

Never banning anyone. Only admitting the intellectual elite (subjective as the designation would be). These are hyperboles misdirections designed to allow criticisms that could not otherwise exist.

Now, specifically.

Caddy wanted to be banned. She stated it as a personal objective and fought, tooth and nail, repeatedly, to alienate the necessary people to achieve that goal. I was the principal resistor to the calls for action against her. Caddy is awesome. I have long thought this, and I still do. I still discuss missing her presence on the forum, and I discuss it online as well as in offline social gatherings. I felt that the ideal response to her words was to respond with words. It began to seem like the battle... Caddy's battle, was against me. It may not have been in intent, but it worked that way in practice. a dozen people felt as if they were repeatedly attacked and battered. Eventually, Caddy went on a D-Day type offensive. I didn't even ban her then. I made a thread, asking that she do something differently. She attacked that. Everyone was on me to do something. In the end, Tara de-activated her. I did not object. I was at the point where I felt I would have to do it myself.

I will address Fishbulb directly, as I apprently have not done so yet.

Fishbulb, it has been my greatest frustration that the reasons I de-activated your account (and another) could not be discussed, per request of the person whose privacy offline well-being seemed to, possibly, be jeopardized by your presece. Yours was another I resisted for a long time. A certain other member called me out as absurd for thinking a particular post count glitch attached to your account had nothing to do with you. She suggested it was hostile power lauding with the assistance of someone who was hack-savvy. I figured I should check it out. I did, and the glitch was common to forums on our old host. I only mention this to illustrate how NOT hostile my position on your membership ever was. A certain other member had an offlnie stalking issue. It was very complicated and pervasive. Information from closed sections of the forum was getting back to the stalker. It was suggested that you and Devery were a part of this person's social circle. I made an angry post, but I didn't KNOW anything, so I didn't take any further action. That member, one of my favorites from Shadowbox and Violating Voices, was compelled to leave. As time progressed, your presence was characterized by two things. Hidden lurking and the very, very rare critique of the way someone was being discussed... with a suggestion that such should not be allowed. People were nervous. It was paranoia. I don't doubt that, but I was being approached with concerns that were said to be shutting people down from their communications. I talked to Devery about this on MSN, and I told her that the decision was upsetting for me. Still, I felt compelled to weigh the value of open participation by members who were starting to feel like they might need to change the way they posted. For weeks, I was getting the quiz, and I kept seeing the lurk... hidden, non-posting. The paranoia was contagious, and I broke down. I regret the way it went.

It might interest many of you to know that two hostile racists were also de-activated. That upset me very much, as it seems like an ideological ban, but some members actually felt very threatened. Again, I resisted., but this fell within the parameters I had discussed as basis for banning. Personal attacks and issues of discomfort in the environment by other members. I have to weigh that.

Offensive statements, pictures, concepts, politics... persistent arguing and fighting. None of these things warrant any sort of censorship or restriction and certainly do not warrant banning. Any change in status I have enacted has been a personal struggle for me. If that seems dramatic, then you don't know my heart. I would have invited Devery and Fishbulb back ages ago if it didn't seem like something that would be so logically distasteful to them.

Caddy... I still lobby for your return.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 03, 2009, 10:41:39 PM
Caddy wanted to be banned. She stated it as a personal objective and fought, tooth and nail, repeatedly, to alienate the necessary people to achieve that goal. I was the principal resistor to the calls for action against her. Caddy is awesome. I have long thought this, and I still do. I still discuss missing her presence on the forum, and I discuss it online as well as in offline social gatherings. I felt that the ideal response to her words was to respond with words. It began to seem like the battle... Caddy's battle, was against me. It may not have been in intent, but it worked that way in practice. a dozen people felt as if they were repeatedly attacked and battered. Eventually, Caddy went on a D-Day type offensive. I didn't even ban her then. I made a thread, asking that she do something differently. She attacked that. Everyone was on me to do something. In the end, Tara de-activated her. I did not object. I was at the point where I felt I would have to do it myself.


*insert pointless stuff here that isn't about how awesome I am*


Caddy... I still lobby for your return.


*murp*  Hey, I said I was banned.  I didn't say I was wrongfully banned.  I did ask to be banned, because of reasons never to be clearly defined.  I tried to explain, but...fuck it.  I'm not fit for most forums, and I'm surprised I still post here, actually.  Very surprised.

Then again, I thought I would be able to return a few months later, after I calmed down.  I initially didn't want to return later, but two weeks later Tara offered to reactivate me, and I said I didn't want it done.  Then when I asked about it, Tara asked the forum, and there are still a few people who find me distasteful, and would scurry if I returned.  I'm more than resigned to my sentence.  I know what made me rage, but nobody really cared then, and fuck the what now.

Wyatt, I'm never getting back onto that forum, but at least I went out with a *bang*.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: 85283-071 on February 03, 2009, 11:32:24 PM
You did, and I understand your not returning. I just hope you know how much I wish it hadn't gone that way. My real life home is always open to you if you are in the area, as you will be in any future incarnation of it... including the massive, indoor, dream swamp. I'm thinking 6000 square feet is big enough. I thought it would have to be 10,000 plus. The adjustment is heartening, because it brings the purchase cost of the warehouse to the level of a house purchase.

Did I digress?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 03, 2009, 11:41:38 PM
No.  That house sounds cool.  o_O'

You need that swamp in the middle of the house, with leeches and crickets and froggies galore.  Fuck it, dude.  Throw a goddamn gator in there, if need be.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: 85283-071 on February 04, 2009, 01:02:19 AM
The house will go in the swamp, which will go in the warehouse. I was thinking a Cuvier's
Dwarf Caiman might do nicely. They usually only reach about four feet. Most of its life it would be a lot smaller than that. A bird with a resonant call will be necessary as well.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: fishbulb on February 04, 2009, 03:06:43 AM

I will address Fishbulb directly, as I apprently have not done so yet.

Fishbulb, it has been my greatest frustration that the reasons I de-activated your account (and another) could not be discussed, per request of the person whose privacy offline well-being seemed to, possibly, be jeopardized by your presece. Yours was another I resisted for a long time. A certain other member called me out as absurd for thinking a particular post count glitch attached to your account had nothing to do with you. She suggested it was hostile power lauding with the assistance of someone who was hack-savvy. I figured I should check it out. I did, and the glitch was common to forums on our old host. I only mention this to illustrate how NOT hostile my position on your membership ever was. A certain other member had an offlnie stalking issue. It was very complicated and pervasive. Information from closed sections of the forum was getting back to the stalker. It was suggested that you and Devery were a part of this person's social circle. I made an angry post, but I didn't KNOW anything, so I didn't take any further action. That member, one of my favorites from Shadowbox and Violating Voices, was compelled to leave. As time progressed, your presence was characterized by two things. Hidden lurking and the very, very rare critique of the way someone was being discussed... with a suggestion that such should not be allowed. People were nervous. It was paranoia. I don't doubt that, but I was being approached with concerns that were said to be shutting people down from their communications. I talked to Devery about this on MSN, and I told her that the decision was upsetting for me. Still, I felt compelled to weigh the value of open participation by members who were starting to feel like they might need to change the way they posted. For weeks, I was getting the quiz, and I kept seeing the lurk... hidden, non-posting. The paranoia was contagious, and I broke down. I regret the way it went.


So, if I get it right, I was banned because:

1. I lurked / hid / didn't post a lot
2. I critiqued the way somebody was being discussed (If you mean what I think you mean, but I'm not even sure what you mean, I defended my friend, yeah, which is a normal thing to do)
3. Somebody was being stalked offline and I might or might not be a part of the stalker's circle (I really don't have a clue who / what this is about)
4. People were nervous
5. People were paranoid

I don't see one legitimate reason to ban somebody in there. And if there is, more than half of this forum would be banned.

Of course people were nervous and paranoid. We just had that whole finneran debacle, and people were probably surprised that I joined your forum. Some might have even thought that I had bad intentions for joining. What's so strange is that I explained to you my reasons for joining VV, my own personal reasons, and I hoped you would value that. Apparently they meant dogshit to you, because I got banned within months, because somebody felt nervous / paranoid about my presence. No warning, no explanation. The explanation, even after repeated requests by me, comes only now, 2 years later. And it's still pretty vague, if you ask me. I understand that you are trying to protect your forum members, and therefore not revealing more details / information, and no offense to anybody personal, but "where niggas speak their mind", where communication is open and challenging, and direct, and functional and honest, without fluff or other distractions like personal feelings and likes or dislikes, as you always have advocated it to be, that's just a big joke, isn' it? It doesn't work like that, when you are dealing with people, and their emotions, and their dislikes and preferences. For me this event and the way you communicated it to me has proven that. Real communication, for me at least, would have involved you pm-ing me and confronting me with these possible allegations, so that I could have given you my side of things / my reasons for not posting a lot at that time / defend myself. Sending somebody to the gulag without any further information or the right to defend themselves is not really communication.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Devery on February 04, 2009, 09:20:21 AM

I will address Fishbulb directly, as I apprently have not done so yet.

Fishbulb, it has been my greatest frustration that the reasons I de-activated your account (and another) could not be discussed, per request of the person whose privacy offline well-being seemed to, possibly, be jeopardized by your presece. Yours was another I resisted for a long time. A certain other member called me out as absurd for thinking a particular post count glitch attached to your account had nothing to do with you. She suggested it was hostile power lauding with the assistance of someone who was hack-savvy. I figured I should check it out. I did, and the glitch was common to forums on our old host. I only mention this to illustrate how NOT hostile my position on your membership ever was. A certain other member had an offlnie stalking issue. It was very complicated and pervasive. Information from closed sections of the forum was getting back to the stalker. It was suggested that you and Devery were a part of this person's social circle. I made an angry post, but I didn't KNOW anything, so I didn't take any further action. That member, one of my favorites from Shadowbox and Violating Voices, was compelled to leave. As time progressed, your presence was characterized by two things. Hidden lurking and the very, very rare critique of the way someone was being discussed... with a suggestion that such should not be allowed. People were nervous. It was paranoia. I don't doubt that, but I was being approached with concerns that were said to be shutting people down from their communications. I talked to Devery about this on MSN, and I told her that the decision was upsetting for me. Still, I felt compelled to weigh the value of open participation by members who were starting to feel like they might need to change the way they posted. For weeks, I was getting the quiz, and I kept seeing the lurk... hidden, non-posting. The paranoia was contagious, and I broke down. I regret the way it went.


So, if I get it right, I was banned because:

1. I lurked / hid / didn't post a lot
2. I critiqued the way somebody was being discussed (If you mean what I think you mean, but I'm not even sure what you mean, I defended my friend, yeah, which is a normal thing to do)
3. Somebody was being stalked offline and I might or might not be a part of the stalker's circle (I really don't have a clue who / what this is about)
4. People were nervous
5. People were paranoid

I don't see one legitimate reason to ban somebody in there. And if there is, more than half of this forum would be banned.

Of course people were nervous and paranoid. We just had that whole finneran debacle, and people were probably surprised that I joined your forum. Some might have even thought that I had bad intentions for joining. What's so strange is that I explained to you my reasons for joining VV, my own personal reasons, and I hoped you would value that. Apparently they meant dogshit to you, because I got banned within months, because somebody felt nervous / paranoid about my presence. No warning, no explanation. The explanation, even after repeated requests by me, comes only now, 2 years later. And it's still pretty vague, if you ask me. I understand that you are trying to protect your forum members, and therefore not revealing more details / information, and no offense to anybody personal, but "where niggas speak their mind", where communication is open and challenging, and direct, and functional and honest, without fluff or other distractions like personal feelings and likes or dislikes, as you always have advocated it to be, that's just a big joke, isn' it? It doesn't work like that, when you are dealing with people, and their emotions, and their dislikes and preferences. For me this event and the way you communicated it to me has proven that. Real communication, for me at least, would have involved you pm-ing me and confronting me with these possible allegations, so that I could have given you my side of things / my reasons for not posting a lot at that time / defend myself. Sending somebody to the gulag without any further information or the right to defend themselves is not really communication.

I never expected this to come up again, especially here on the Shadowbox but, since it has, I feel the need to say a few words about it.

One day last February or March, I received an email from Violating Voices that was sent to all members of the forum and said, in effect, that members who hadn't posted much needed to respond with an explanation in order to avoid being "culled".  Before I could reply, I received a second email telling me that my account at Violating Voices had been de-activated.  I concluded that the forum-wide email had been sent to make it seem that the possible banning of members was being done in a fair manner, when in fact the culling was already a fait accompli.  There was no reason given to me at that time.  Only later did I find out, from Wyatt, that some people on the forum were being stalked and harrassed and that my name, and Fishbulb's, had been mentioned as having possibly been involved in such behavior.  It later became known that neither of us had been involved in any of this. 


I would have invited Devery and Fishbulb back ages ago if it didn't seem like something that would be so logically distasteful to them.


Why do you say that?  Because of the unfair way we were treated by your forum?  I guess I don't understand what you are saying.  Would it be logically distasteful to me for you to invite me back or would it be logically distasteful for me to want to be invited back?  The forum itself was not distasteful to me.  I posted there pretty much the same way I post on this forum.




Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: 85283-071 on February 04, 2009, 09:32:42 AM
Number three was the reason I was stuck with. When I made a post about it, the information also went back to the stalker. This wasn't just a minor case of harrassment. There was violence involved, and it was suggested that confronting the situation any more directly than I did would exacerbate the problem. It felt like a situation that had to be taken seriously. I felt like I was limitied in my choices of what to do. Given the choice between possibly unfair and possibly dangerous, as ridiculous as it might seem to you, I picked possibly unfair. It certainly didn't seem like you had any serious participatory interest in the forum, so it didn't feel like I'd be ruining your day.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: 85283-071 on February 04, 2009, 09:35:01 AM
Why do you say that?  Because of the unfair way we were treated by your forum?

Basically. However the decision is perceived, I simply never imagined you'd have wanted any more to do with it.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Matthais777 on February 05, 2009, 02:53:04 PM
Hello, This is Matthais77 From the Traveler's Respite... and i figure if anyone has a right to say something here, it's me.

Fergus tricked me. He tricked me for almost 1 year and nearly 7 months. In this time, he concocted a elaborate ruse, first explaining that he was not a girl, he was a guy (We originally assumed him to be a girl), then saying that yes, he was a girl but had claimed not to be so as not to raise the ire of a female member of the site whom he was RPing with (Yes, this girl is a girl, know her personally). He then proceeded to post some rather convincing pictures, which i have yet to figure out how he faked... all i can figure is that there is some girl he knows personally who was a accomplice. This girl took a photo of herself with a list of character names on a sheet of paper she held, (in a bathroom mirror, the words being reversed in the mirror) these characters all being Fergus's RPs. For the next year or so i was suprised, but assumed this to be the truth. After all, logic seemed to be on his side. When he started making outragous claims, i did what i always did. I tried to help. I was a willing shoulder to consol what i believed to be a weeping woman undergoing great distress, distress that i could understand having dealt with it in my own life. Then shadowbox "Exposed" him, and he came clean to us, expressing remorse and guilt at fooling those on the respite whome he had developed a relationship with.

Despite all this, despite all the mental trauma, despite all the stress, despite repeatedly calling me and my beliefs foolish, i forgave him. I forgave him, and now i've moved on.

So if i've moved on, why do i post this you might ask? Well, believe it or not, because i don't really care about alice, who isn't real anyways, anymore. What i do care about is the bad light you've all decided to cast on me and my fellow roleplayers for believing in the farce. We are not dumb, stupid, or ignorant. She tried to shovel a year and a half of preparation and deceit on you guys in one week. Aren't you proud of yourselves for noticing? It wasn't like that for us. The pictures of the young girl on vacation, holding up that piece of paper to prove herself, the HOURS of conversation across IM ALWAYS keeping the facts straight despite my own training in the field of psychology attempting to trick her into a slip up, the sheer dedication to this role play to the point of even holding a relationship with one of our members for a while shows just how good of con this was.

We where not foolish. We are not stupid. We where deceived by an amazing con that i begrudgingly admit i respect for it's impressiveness. By the time we where told of the "Rape" and the institutionalization, we where already at the point of trusting a friend who told us that she was allowed on, that she couldn't explain certain things, so we did what friends do, we trusted.

So i repeat. We are not stupid. Just because we are role players does not mean that we are somehow out of touch with the real world and unable to handle real life. It just means that we where trusting and caring to someone who begged us for help who was our friend.

And that's my 2 cents... oh, and BTW? Dresden Dolls rock. Woot for "Coin Operated boy" The Unofficial theme song of the artificer!
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: The Angel Raliel on February 05, 2009, 02:58:29 PM
I do not think anyone was casting you lot in a bad light..... except for when people who went on to your forum were abused or had accounts deleted for pointing out that fergus was being less than honest with you all..... rest assured that we are trying to put this incident behind us and think no less of you for beiving his tall tales
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 05, 2009, 03:04:52 PM

So i repeat. We are not stupid. Just because we are role players does not mean that we are somehow out of touch with the real world and unable to handle real life. It just means that we where trusting and caring to someone who begged us for help who was our friend.


I could have sworn I read a post on your forum by someone calling theshadowbox users something to the effect of emotionally unstable for those very reasons; trusting and caring.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BaronLaCroix on February 05, 2009, 03:11:01 PM
Hello, This is Matthais77 From the Traveler's Respite... and i figure if anyone has a right to say something here, it's me.
...
...
Just because we are role players does not mean that we are somehow out of touch with the real world and unable to handle real life.
I hope not, I've got a game to play tonight!

Although I'm usually called out of touch, so I suppose I'm not the best judge here.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Matthais777 on February 05, 2009, 03:34:12 PM
I do not think anyone was casting you lot in a bad light..... except for when people who went on to your forum were abused or had accounts deleted for pointing out that fergus was being less than honest with you all..... rest assured that we are trying to put this incident behind us and think no less of you for beiving his tall tales

Again, the rest of our administrators apologize for that little misunderstanding, it was not aimed at shadowbox users, but at a user who is a repeated troll of our website and a all around jerk. Since he posted at nearly the same time, we had assumed it was another one of his ploys to upset us or to make us feel like shit... we ban him everytime he makes a new account, so we just assumed it was him causing trouble and banned the others as well. The abuse was directed at him as well, and we apologize for that... you tend to get irate at a guy who calls you a pedophile and then uses word lawyering and semantics arguments to say he never did and that your just calling yourself a pedophile. :embarassed:If you'd like, you can take this as a formal apology from the Respite admins for the banning of those who didn't deserve it, and a formal invite back if you so wish, as well as a formal invite to anyone else.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Matthais777 on February 05, 2009, 03:35:38 PM

So i repeat. We are not stupid. Just because we are role players does not mean that we are somehow out of touch with the real world and unable to handle real life. It just means that we where trusting and caring to someone who begged us for help who was our friend.


I could have sworn I read a post on your forum by someone calling theshadowbox users something to the effect of emotionally unstable for those very reasons; trusting and caring.

Wasn't by me, (Probably Wight or something) or it could have been a user just lashing out at whoever they could cause they where upset or something. I certainly don't remember it.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Wight Chocolate on February 05, 2009, 03:41:13 PM
Wasn't by me, (Probably Wight or something) or it could have been a user just lashing out at whoever they could cause they where upset or something. I certainly don't remember it.

Hey. I didn't speak one ill word towards a single member of this forum, thank you very much.

Good lord, I've practically got my own little smear campaign going on here. I feel like a politician.

Don't mind me, folks. Just a (mostly) passive observer.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Kovacs on February 05, 2009, 03:53:47 PM
Hello, This is Matthais77 From the Traveler's Respite... and i figure if anyone has a right to say something here, it's me.

Fergus tricked me. He tricked me for almost 1 year and nearly 7 months. In this time, he concocted a elaborate ruse, first explaining that he was not a girl, he was a guy (We originally assumed him to be a girl), then saying that yes, he was a girl but had claimed not to be so as not to raise the ire of a female member of the site whom he was RPing with (Yes, this girl is a girl, know her personally). He then proceeded to post some rather convincing pictures, which i have yet to figure out how he faked... all i can figure is that there is some girl he knows personally who was a accomplice. This girl took a photo of herself with a list of character names on a sheet of paper she held, (in a bathroom mirror, the words being reversed in the mirror) these characters all being Fergus's RPs. For the next year or so i was suprised, but assumed this to be the truth. After all, logic seemed to be on his side. When he started making outragous claims, i did what i always did. I tried to help. I was a willing shoulder to consol what i believed to be a weeping woman undergoing great distress, distress that i could understand having dealt with it in my own life. Then shadowbox "Exposed" him, and he came clean to us, expressing remorse and guilt at fooling those on the respite whome he had developed a relationship with.

Despite all this, despite all the mental trauma, despite all the stress, despite repeatedly calling me and my beliefs foolish, i forgave him. I forgave him, and now i've moved on.

So if i've moved on, why do i post this you might ask? Well, believe it or not, because i don't really care about alice, who isn't real anyways, anymore. What i do care about is the bad light you've all decided to cast on me and my fellow roleplayers for believing in the farce. We are not dumb, stupid, or ignorant. She tried to shovel a year and a half of preparation and deceit on you guys in one week. Aren't you proud of yourselves for noticing? It wasn't like that for us. The pictures of the young girl on vacation, holding up that piece of paper to prove herself, the HOURS of conversation across IM ALWAYS keeping the facts straight despite my own training in the field of psychology attempting to trick her into a slip up, the sheer dedication to this role play to the point of even holding a relationship with one of our members for a while shows just how good of con this was.

We where not foolish. We are not stupid. We where deceived by an amazing con that i begrudgingly admit i respect for it's impressiveness. By the time we where told of the "Rape" and the institutionalization, we where already at the point of trusting a friend who told us that she was allowed on, that she couldn't explain certain things, so we did what friends do, we trusted.

So i repeat. We are not stupid. Just because we are role players does not mean that we are somehow out of touch with the real world and unable to handle real life. It just means that we where trusting and caring to someone who begged us for help who was our friend.

And that's my 2 cents... oh, and BTW? Dresden Dolls rock. Woot for "Coin Operated boy" The Unofficial theme song of the artificer!

Hi.

Coming from someone who hasn't read outside these boards, this post makes no sense. There has been (on the whole) no disparaging of you here, other than a couple relatively harmless posts in the beginning of this thread. After checking out some of the links, I see why you're upset, but you're blurring boundaries. This post is out of place.

So...deal with the drama on your own board. I don't see the point of all these accusations against this board, other then to stir up more drama.


And:

Wasn't by me, (Probably Wight or something) or it could have been a user just lashing out at whoever they could cause they where upset or something. I certainly don't remember it.

Good lord, I've practically got my own little smear campaign going on here. I feel like a politician.

This is what I mean. Smear campaign? You mean one post by someone from your own board?

I don't see the point. I wish you all the best in the mental/emotional recovery from Alyss' deception, but theres no need to bring your drama here. Please.  :)
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Wight Chocolate on February 05, 2009, 03:58:30 PM
This is what I mean. Smear campaign? You mean one post by someone from your own board?

I don't see the point. I wish you all the best in the mental/emotional recovery from Alyss' deception, but theres no need to bring your drama here. Please.  :)

...oh dear. Obviously I've misrepresented myself.

Firstly, it's not "my" board. Not by a long shot. I've only visited the place twice since it was created about two years ago, and both of my appearances were very brief. The Alyss issue hasn't affected me in the slightest.

Secondly, the "smear campaign" comment was a purely lighthearted remark, although if you'd seen how much they love to vilify me over there, you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it nevertheless.

As I said, I'm mostly just here to observe. I have no intention of stirring up any trouble, so don't think of my presence as cause for concern.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 04:01:32 PM
Quote from: Mathais
Just because we are role players does not mean that we are somehow out of touch with the real world and unable to handle real life.

*blinks* Ummm...but actually...most roleplayers are just that.  Escapists.  Most of them start as a form of escapism, and then they either realize how dumb that is, and go back to real life, or they get stuck.  I'd say Alyss shouldn't matter all that much to your board, because unless she was the "hero" of the board, then who cares?  I also think it's pretty interesting that a roleplay board had what could almost be called a roleplaying character fooling them the whole time.

Unless...sorry Mathais, but...you just don't seem convincing to me.  o_O

I'm not calling you Alyss, but I'm also not getting the sincere aspect of your either.




Edit:  Wtf, there's another one?  *blinks*  You both sound like a couple of puppets.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: hateandjealousy on February 05, 2009, 04:11:56 PM
I this fake identity shit is making my braid hurt. plus now I feel stupid for believing Alyss at first (I'm normally very paranoid and good pointing out lyres) 
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on February 05, 2009, 04:20:44 PM
this fake identity shit is making my braid hurt.

I am now picturing you with a painful hairstyle... ;D


Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Wight Chocolate on February 05, 2009, 04:23:01 PM
Oh god, I think they think we're Alyss as well.

This is going to get interesting.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: hateandjealousy on February 05, 2009, 04:26:58 PM
I'm not Alyss. just so we're clear. I was hear before her/him.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Matthais777 on February 05, 2009, 04:52:41 PM
Quote from: Mathais
Just because we are role players does not mean that we are somehow out of touch with the real world and unable to handle real life.

*blinks* Ummm...but actually...most roleplayers are just that.  Escapists.  Most of them start as a form of escapism, and then they either realize how dumb that is, and go back to real life, or they get stuck.  I'd say Alyss shouldn't matter all that much to your board, because unless she was the "hero" of the board, then who cares?  I also think it's pretty interesting that a roleplay board had what could almost be called a roleplaying character fooling them the whole time.

Unless...sorry Mathais, but...you just don't seem convincing to me.  o_O

Um.... yeah. We also cast such spells as "Fireball" in real life, sacrifice small animals, cause children to commite suicide, and are responsible for the columbine shooting, AIDS, and the demon's work in the world (If this sounds glib, sadly i'm not, look up some Anti-D&D websites, we've been accused of it all). While we're throwing around stereotypes that have been disproven for over 20 years, let's also state that dresden Doll listeners are a bunch of anarchist wannabes with no life. *Rolls eyes*Seriously, get out of the 1970s. Research shows (Journal of Psychology) that children who roleplay have a BETTER idea of what is fantasy and what is reality.

As for her being a "Hero" she was our central admin, so yeah, she was kinda important.  As for the "Talking puppet" argument, whatever, i'm not out to convince you i'm real, but considering my track record goes back even further than alice, that would mean that i am the originator of alice and fooled myself... which is just WAY to much of a headache to even consider.  ;)

As for "Bringing our drama" here as you put it... may i remind you that shadow box users felt it necessary to drag this whole mess to US, not the other way around? I mean, you guys felt it necessary to come onto our board and point out this farce... great for you, but that means you also dragged US here. And posts like Caddies are exactly the kinda thing i'm talking about, people with antiquanted ideas of horned rimmed glasses nerds in wizard caps learning "Satanism 101".
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: hateandjealousy on February 05, 2009, 04:54:46 PM
yay satanism 101.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Matthais777 on February 05, 2009, 04:56:26 PM
yay satanism 101.

Not to be confused with Devil worship 101 of course. That's the one where you sacrifice puppies!  O0
 angel
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 05, 2009, 04:56:50 PM
Oh god, I think they think we're Alyss as well.

This is going to get interesting.

Alright, no offense, but no one here is interested in your drama. Maybe this is fun and exciting for you, but if you hadn't noticed, this community doesn't particularly thrive on upsets like this.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Matthais777 on February 05, 2009, 04:58:58 PM
Oh god, I think they think we're Alyss as well.

This is going to get interesting.

Alright, no offense, but no one here is interested in your drama. Maybe this is fun and exciting for you, but if you hadn't noticed, this community doesn't particularly thrive on upsets like this.

Our drama? As i pointed out, YOU guys are the one's who ousted alice and then decided to plaster it all over our boards.

Anyways, you think i LIKE finding out that the person i wasted a year and a half of compassion and friendship on doesn't actually exist? Yeah, i certainly thrive off of that.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 05, 2009, 05:19:23 PM
Your; as in, a word which can be both plural OR singular.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Emilly on February 05, 2009, 05:24:51 PM
Oh god, I think they think we're Alyss as well.

This is going to get interesting.

Alright, no offense, but no one here is interested in your drama. Maybe this is fun and exciting for you, but if you hadn't noticed, this community doesn't particularly thrive on upsets like this.

Our drama? As i pointed out, YOU guys are the one's who ousted alice and then decided to plaster it all over our boards.

Anyways, you think i LIKE finding out that the person i wasted a year and a half of compassion and friendship on doesn't actually exist? Yeah, i certainly thrive off of that.

I understand why you're upset, but could you please just let this lie? Most people have.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 05:39:53 PM
I have over thirty roleplay characters used for either just freestyle roleplay online, WoD, and/or D&D.  I've also read part of the Satanic bible.  It was boring.  I was participating in a campaign before moving, and plan to start one here where I have moved.

And I think a horn-rimmed devilish character would be an awesome idea.  All Good Omens style, doncha think?


I knew you guys were here merely to start shit, hence Mathais' reaction.  That, or hence the repeated use of the baaaaaawing phrase, (YOU THINK WE LIKE THE FACT THAT ALYSS BETRAYED OUR TRUST!), because y'know, that doesn't sound curious at all.  That, or the emotionally unstable pot is calling the shit-smelling kettle black.


$20 says Mathais' is Wight is probably Alyss.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Wight Chocolate on February 05, 2009, 05:52:30 PM
Ooh! Ooh! I'll take that bet!

Quick, somebody get an admin to compare our IPs.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 06:00:20 PM
Empty bet is empty.  But I somehow doubt an IP check would prove much, as it is possible to 1) use a different computer if you've got a desktop and a laptop in your house, and 2) use a different internet connection for your desktop, and you steal (borrow) internet from elsewhere on your laptop.  Also, there's ways to hide your IP online, but fuck if I can remember the website I've used, or what it's called.  It's been a very long while.

*ahem*

Then again, I doubt anybody would even conceive of going through that much trouble, changing computers/internet connections, changing names on the website, changing pictures, changing tones of posting, or just going through the hassle of seeming like various people...to fool an entire forum.

No.  Nobody I've known has done that.  Especially not for a year and a half, apparently.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on February 05, 2009, 06:03:42 PM
I have over thirty roleplay characters used for either just freestyle roleplay online, WoD, and/or D&D.  I've also read part of the Satanic bible.  It was boring.  I was participating in a campaign before moving, and plan to start one here where I have moved.

And I think a horn-rimmed devilish character would be an awesome idea.  All Good Omens style, doncha think?


I knew you guys were here merely to start shit, hence Mathais' reaction.  That, or hence the repeated use of the baaaaaawing phrase, (YOU THINK WE LIKE THE FACT THAT ALYSS BETRAYED OUR TRUST!), because y'know, that doesn't sound curious at all.  That, or the emotionally unstable pot is calling the shit-smelling kettle black.


$20 says Mathais' is Wight is probably Alyss.


Mathais isn't Ferg.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 06:06:06 PM
Seeing as I wouldn't be foolish enough to trust anything that comes from whatever other forum they post on, I'll take my chances on being (and staying) a skeptic.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Kovacs on February 05, 2009, 06:08:26 PM
Oh god, I think they think we're Alyss as well.

This is going to get interesting.

Alright, no offense, but no one here is interested in your drama. Maybe this is fun and exciting for you, but if you hadn't noticed, this community doesn't particularly thrive on upsets like this.

Our drama? As i pointed out, YOU guys are the one's who ousted alice and then decided to plaster it all over our boards.


Sir. Get a grip. You're making it sound like we all jumped onto your forum. As far as I can tell, one person did. You can take it out on the entire board here, if you like, but you are coming across as very childish.

Quote
Anyways, you think i LIKE finding out that the person i wasted a year and a half of compassion and friendship on doesn't actually exist? Yeah, i certainly thrive off of that.

Again, I'm sorry for the trauma, but I don't see what you hope to accomplish. This statement has nothing to do with the people here.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Musings on February 05, 2009, 06:09:19 PM
I don't know if they're the same person, but no one has explained this to me yet:

http://therespite.informe.com/forum/a-slash-for-rebecca-dt103.html?highlight=fergus

and the other times he has posted scripts under his name.

Yo, Matthias, Fergus responded to one of YOUR threads, with his "real" name.  A YEAR ago.  And where was the "*gasp*, oh my, who's that" then, or even the "wait, so you ARE fergus and not alice?" now? Which makes me call bulllllshit, to all of this.  

Real or not, same person or not, man or woman or centaur, truth teller or liar, I don't really give a fuck.  But, just thought I would point that out to join the fun momentarily.

Now, I go back to not posting in this thread.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Wight Chocolate on February 05, 2009, 06:13:05 PM
Wow.

Matthias777, as entertaining as it is to watch this web steadily grow ever more tangled, might I suggest that it would be in your best interests to just bow out gracefully now, before a massive chain reaction of identity crises arises?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BaronLaCroix on February 05, 2009, 06:22:25 PM
Hell, now I'm not even sure who I am anymore.
Wasn't this thread supposed to be about chocolate?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 06:22:46 PM
Quote from: Alyss
Fergus Charles Bovey-Hull squirms in his seat and changes the channel.

But happy birthday Rebecca! Did I end up sending you that PM, or did I forget?

Fucking hilarious.

Also,

Quote from: Mathais
I’m forced to bite my lip to cut off the groan that threatens to escape my throat. I’m not going to reward him just yet, not after that little stunt. Seeming to read my mind, he smiles that damn smile of his and rubs me faster, his hand revolving around the base of my cock, stopping before he reaches the sensitive head. Then, he puckers his lips and blows me a kiss, and then leans over and gently kisses the top of my cock. The image of it is enough to make me shiver. Then, his tongue flicks out and starts to play over the slit in my cock, and I really do shiver in pleasure.

“You like that huh? I get the feeling you’re going to be a good lover.” And with that, he opens his mouth and takes my head into his mouth, his tongue swirling around it like a child at a popsicle. The sheets twist into my hands as I clench down, panting. “I… Not so… So fast… I… I’m too built up… I’ll…”
He stops and sucks in deep, pulling his mouth off my cock with a slurping pop. I arch my back at the feeling, trying to regain the distance to his mouth.

“Come in my mouth? Please do. I wanna taste that beautiful flavor of yours.”


*dies laughing*  I read scanned the whole story, and that was quite possibly the worse "slash" I have ever had the misfortune of reading.  I'm almost surprised nothing was "throbbing" or "heaving".



Baron, I agree.  -_-'  I totally agree.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: hateandjealousy on February 05, 2009, 06:25:03 PM
Quote from: Alyss
Fergus Charles Bovey-Hull squirms in his seat and changes the channel.

But happy birthday Rebecca! Did I end up sending you that PM, or did I forget?

Fucking hilarious.

Also,

Quote from: Mathais
I’m forced to bite my lip to cut off the groan that threatens to escape my throat. I’m not going to reward him just yet, not after that little stunt. Seeming to read my mind, he smiles that damn smile of his and rubs me faster, his hand revolving around the base of my cock, stopping before he reaches the sensitive head. Then, he puckers his lips and blows me a kiss, and then leans over and gently kisses the top of my cock. The image of it is enough to make me shiver. Then, his tongue flicks out and starts to play over the slit in my cock, and I really do shiver in pleasure.

“You like that huh? I get the feeling you’re going to be a good lover.” And with that, he opens his mouth and takes my head into his mouth, his tongue swirling around it like a child at a popsicle. The sheets twist into my hands as I clench down, panting. “I… Not so… So fast… I… I’m too built up… I’ll…”
He stops and sucks in deep, pulling his mouth off my cock with a slurping pop. I arch my back at the feeling, trying to regain the distance to his mouth.

“Come in my mouth? Please do. I wanna taste that beautiful flavor of yours.”


*dies laughing*  I read scanned the whole story, and that was quite possibly the worse "slash" I have ever had the misfortune of reading.  I'm almost surprised nothing was "throbbing" or "heaving".



Baron, I agree.  -_-'  I totally agree.
lol that was funny as shit, and I even like role playing.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 06:27:00 PM
During my time of roleplaying with people since I was 18, I haven't even seen cybering that was that bad in a while.  I didn't even write that badly when I was roleplaying (passing a notebook, practically) back in high school.  And we were doing Dragonball Z roleplay.

x_x'
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on February 05, 2009, 06:32:25 PM

Quote from: Mathais
He stops and sucks in deep, pulling his mouth off my cock with a slurping pop. 


Oh dear lord.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 05, 2009, 06:34:27 PM

*dies laughing*  I read scanned the whole story, and that was quite possibly the worse "slash" I have ever had the misfortune of reading.  I'm almost surprised nothing was "throbbing" or "heaving".



or "the biggest he'd ever seen"  >:D
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: hateandjealousy on February 05, 2009, 06:38:20 PM
During my time of roleplaying with people since I was 18, I haven't even seen cybering that was that bad in a while.  I didn't even write that badly when I was roleplaying (passing a notebook, practically) back in high school.  And we were doing Dragonball Z roleplay.

x_x'
wow that's bad. few a geeks gotta get, what a geek can get I guess. though I am straight so that makes getting geek love tougher.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Kovacs on February 05, 2009, 06:40:00 PM
though I am straight so that makes getting geek love tougher.

Alright, I take back what I said, this thread has now passed into hilarity, everyone keep doing what you're doing.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: CeeGBee on February 05, 2009, 06:40:44 PM
I am the walrus...



Sorry I didn't come clean sooner.

I apologise if I've offended anyone....   :embarassed:
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on February 05, 2009, 06:42:35 PM
I am the walrus...



Sorry I didn't come clean sooner.

I apologise if I've offended anyone....   :embarassed:

I always had you pegged as the Eggman......

Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BaronLaCroix on February 05, 2009, 06:42:59 PM
I'm Spartacus.



Sorry I didn't come clean sooner.



I apologize if I've offended anyone... :(
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 06:45:57 PM
Total = I know.  That actually almost made a blood vessel in my brain pop.

Jesse = I'd actually forgot about that.  "The boy, who was too young for sex, much less a sex story, pulled down his lover's shorts, and exclaimed with abandon, 'Ah!  It's the biggest I've ever seen!  I don't think it's gonna fit!'"

-_-'

Hate = geek love can be gotten from all parts of the globe.  =D


I think I'm going to peruse this site, and see what other tidbits of fail I can find.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 06:46:19 PM
....


NO.

I AM SPARTACUS.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 06:49:50 PM
http://therespite.informe.com/forum/it-has-to-be-pain-not-discomfort-dt273.html


That one thread is enough to scare people I know away from roleplaying.  And why must everybody either be a dying hero, or a healer?  I swear.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 05, 2009, 06:53:41 PM
http://therespite.informe.com/forum/top-5-fantasies-dt88.html

Quote from: matthais on top 5 fantasies
1. Deflower an anal virgin
2. Dom multiple women in a serious bondage setup
3. Sub for multiple women in a bondage setup
4. Have Threesome with a guy and a gal.
5. Growing tentacles and going Hentai on Sky.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 05, 2009, 06:55:22 PM
wtf lmfao same thread from alyss

Quote
Hard ons
1. Getting laid full stop Sad
2. Japanese schoolgirls
3. Lesbians
4. Nurses
5. Tit wanks

Situations to treasure
1. Slow sex with my wife
2. In the rain
3. In a fridge
4. With a woman nly wearing a black beret
5. With my wife, as she's dying
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Matthais777 on February 05, 2009, 06:56:46 PM
I am honestly never, ever going to live that down. V.V That's what i get for writing bad slash as rebecca's christmas present. >.< Yes it was horrible, no shit, it was my first one i ever wrote, and i hadn't even admitted to being bi at the time, i was just doing it as a christmas present for a friend who was a yaoi fangirl.

Alright, let me try this one more time. I'm sorry that i caused a ruckus. Truly, fully, and wholly sorry. I merely meant to come on and say that i don't think that saying cause we're roleplayers means we're stupid was cool at all. There was no outrage a year ago when fergus "Came clean" because we didn't actually know him/whatever then. I'm sorry i "Recreated" drama, because it looked to me like it was still going, but as we have thus determined, i'm pretty much the idiot that everyone things i am.  :sign5:

Dumb, easily fooled, and gullible and as zyr from our boards is always quick to point out, a terrible writer. Yup, that's me!

Well, i'm signed in here now, so i may as well try to contribute something to this community... doubt i'll be able to, but hey, dumb shit like me's gotta at least provide amusement huh? Look at the dancing monkey everyone! I'm a dumbass, but at least i'm humorous!

Yeah, you guys win... i'm not exactly sure what "Winning" entails or that we where even playing that means that their was a winner, but if that what it takes for you guys to stop making me look like more of an asshole than i already am, please, take it. :'(

As for the "Scary as fuck roleplay" you so kindly ponited out, i really can't defend myself. My character was under a curse in which if he went without feeling pain he would lose pieces of soul and die. His main venue of doing this (A pair of magical bracers) was destroyed, so it seemed cool to have the healer girl have to reverse her role to save a life. So, yeah, cool at the time, but hey, who cares about that. This is humiliate the idiot hour.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 07:03:29 PM
*laughs*

Dude.  If you call that "scary as fuck", then I would suggest you sleep with your light on at night, and a teddy bear.  o_O'
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Musings on February 05, 2009, 07:05:36 PM
Well, I don't know about you guys, but that last post of Matthias' made me want to have sex with both him and Alyss in a fridge.

I HAVE FOUND MY PEOPLE.

Goodbye, shadowbox.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on February 05, 2009, 07:06:40 PM
Well, I don't know about you guys, but that last post of Matthias' made me want to have sex with both him and Alyss in a fridge.

I HAVE FOUND MY PEOPLE.

Goodbye, shadowbox.

Don't forget your black beret...... ;D
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Musings on February 05, 2009, 07:09:39 PM
Of course.

And I should also clean that for the past year and a half, I have not been who I say I am.  The girl in the jacket is not me.

I am Alyss' wife.  And I am dying.  So much death around me.  Death, sex, refrigerators... everything is cold and I can't tell the difference anymore.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 05, 2009, 07:10:06 PM
oh god yes

do not let this refrigerator thing die.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Zyrusticae on February 05, 2009, 07:54:46 PM
I lol @ this thread.

Really, Matt is such an easy target. I think it's just a wee-bit unfair to nag on the poor guy. Just a little bit. I mean, he takes offense so easily, y'know?

Ah, well. People will be people...
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 08:12:10 PM
I lol @ this thread.

Really, Matt is such an easy target. I think it's just a wee-bit unfair to nag on the poor guy. Just a little bit. I mean, he takes offense so easily, y'know?

Ah, well. People will be people...


I smell bs again.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Zyrusticae on February 05, 2009, 08:20:13 PM
Really, an I.P. check is enough to confirm that Aly and I live nowhere near each other. (Although the thought of Aly being a construct maintained by a multitude of people across the globe strikes me as awesome, in a way.)

Also, I am incapable of being anywhere near as dishonest as he is. I might lie about my gender every now and then, but that's the extent of any deceptions on my part.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 05, 2009, 08:23:46 PM
I might lie about my gender every now and then, but that's the extent of any deceptions on my part.

Yeah, that is really minor.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 08:27:16 PM
Thing is, Zyr, I'm not calling you Alyss.  I'm just saying that it looks to me (as is the norm) you guys are coming over in a flock (probably pointed in our direction by Mathais and Wight) to be idiots.  I'm just glad it's contained.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Wight Chocolate on February 05, 2009, 08:28:04 PM
Guys, I think it's reached the point where you're going to need to get the whole damn community over here before they're convinced that you aren't all the same person.

Actually, I'm not even sure that would be enough now.

Split personality issues aside, I don't get the impression that any of this "nagging" is meant to be mean-spirited, and if it is then it shouldn't be. I'm sure we've all done things in our youth that seemed like good ideas at the time but we'd be embarrassed to talk about now that we're older and wiser. (Except me, naturally, being the perfect entity that I am.)

Yeah yeah, it's a godawful piece of slash. Laugh it up, by all means, but always remember that somewhere in your past, you too have your dirt that waits to be uncovered.

And if you can laugh about it when it is, so much the better.

Have a good night, folks, and stay mellow. It's just the Interwebs.


EDIT: And, seriously, I'm not with these guys. Ask any of them. I'm pretty certain that they all hate my guts.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Musings on February 05, 2009, 08:29:47 PM
Well, this thread was interesting, not the least because at the beginning they are discussing using Wyatt's guidelines for their own members in terms of banning: http://z9.invisionfree.com/Travellers_Respite/index.php?showtopic=519   Aw, shucks, guys.

However, I don't take kindly to being called unfriendly.  I am very friendly.  Ask your mom about how friendly I am.  Let's take a moment to consider why myself, or any other Shadowboxer would be unfriendly to Matthias, Alyss, or any other person who comes from that forum:

1. Alyss lied about being a rape victim and a girl in a mental hospital.
2. Alyss lied about the other forum not knowing his real identity.
3. The other forum made a thread to perpetuate this lie.
4. The other forum then played with and banned Shadowboxers, who out of the goodness of their heart, went to that forum and tried to warn those members about Alyss.
5. Alyss continues to lie and turns desperate about "how to reveal himself" to the other forum.  (Although, Shadowbox, I posted that very same link ages ago, at the beginning of this thread.  Pay attention, please.  I am your friend.).  People give him advice, again out of the kindness of their heart.
6. Matthias comes ON HERE to talk again about how he had no idea of Alyss' real identity.
7. Other members subsequently invade to watch the fun.  Fishbowl, anyone?
8. God knows what is being said about Shadowbox in the members only areas of that forum.  I caught this one:
Quote from: Alyss
I felt shittiest about lying to the people here. The shadowbox is full of people with insecurities up to the rafters...
 and while that is hilariously true, don't try to be like "Oh, you lovely Shadowbox people, I just want your loving hugs" when you get unmuted.

By the way, I don't really think any of these people should be muted or banned.  Alyss was posting a hell of a lot but they were mainly in superficial threads.  They are all annoying, but it happens.  This is the Internet.  Fake identities don't bother me as much as fakeness in "real" personality, if that makes sense.  

Now, Matthias and Alyss you can both post crying smiley faces on your own forum or this one (fuck smiley faces though, really, that's what is MOST offensive about this whole thing) about how we are unfriendly people.  But know that the claws don't come out without a reason.

And have fun with the fridge, babes.

Edit: Wight, I kind of believe you, actually, after reading over there.  And you guys, if you really wanted to pull this off, you should better consider which threads are viewable to the public.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on February 05, 2009, 08:36:01 PM
All of this is just way out of hand, I think.

Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 08:37:47 PM
Actually, I'm just generally an unfriendly person.  I admit it.

I'm not upset about their forum saying mean things about us (BAAAAAAWWWWW), because as a whole, the roleplay in that community is absolutely horrific.  We're mean people.  They're atrocious roleplayers with no skill or ability, who pretty much learned how to write from reading too many bad fanfics.  *shudder*
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BaronLaCroix on February 05, 2009, 09:01:49 PM
I'm still Spartacus.
I think that chocolate truffles are the best way to consume chocolate, instead of its bastard cousin, the chocolate bar, or the distant chocolate ice cream.
Cake is right out.
Also, I'm drinking a whole bottle of red wine tonight, so this could get interesting.
Or I could fall asleep.  The tension is building!
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: yosmark on February 05, 2009, 09:04:19 PM
However, I don't take kindly to being called unfriendly.  I am very friendly.  Ask your mom about how friendly I am.

Matthais is real:

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff231/Cornaneilius/fridge.jpg)


& he is waiting.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 05, 2009, 09:05:44 PM
yoshiki lmfao
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Zyrusticae on February 05, 2009, 09:06:27 PM
For the record, I signed on this forum to coerce Alyss into getting back into the forum (through PMs). I came back to view this thread because Matt was being rather emotional about it all.

Also, yes, you are an unfriendly person, Caddy. I don't know you well enough to call you an asshole, but blanket-stating that all of us are "atrocious roleplayers with no skill or ability, who pretty much learned how to write from reading too many bad fanfics" is pretty asinine, indeed.

We don't do it to become superb writers or what-have-you, we do it because it's fun. That's kind of secondary to everything else. That said, I'll agree that some of us could use some work on our writing, but to say all of us outright suck is inevitably going to draw ire from someone.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: hateandjealousy on February 05, 2009, 09:06:52 PM
Jesus yosh you find the best goddamn picks.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: hateandjealousy on February 05, 2009, 09:08:12 PM
just so I know because I am confused as hell who is on both forums?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 05, 2009, 09:10:25 PM
(http://www.americasbestmyspacecomments.com/graphics/sex/18/pics_sex-in-dryer.jpg)
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: hateandjealousy on February 05, 2009, 09:13:45 PM
ahh I love the internet.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 09:14:36 PM
However, I don't take kindly to being called unfriendly.  I am very friendly.  Ask your mom about how friendly I am.

Matthais is real:

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff231/Cornaneilius/fridge.jpg)


& he is waiting.

...for more pie.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: hateandjealousy on February 05, 2009, 09:15:53 PM
However, I don't take kindly to being called unfriendly.  I am very friendly.  Ask your mom about how friendly I am.

Matthais is real:

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff231/Cornaneilius/fridge.jpg)


& he is waiting.

...for more pie.
Matthias  want's his fridge loving, NOW.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 09:17:11 PM
However, I don't take kindly to being called unfriendly.  I am very friendly.  Ask your mom about how friendly I am.

Matthais is real:

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff231/Cornaneilius/fridge.jpg)


& he is waiting.

...for more pie.
Matthias  want's his fridge loving, NOW.


Matthais really wants teh lovin'!

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff231/Cornaneilius/LOLTOWEL.jpg)
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: hateandjealousy on February 05, 2009, 09:18:08 PM
However, I don't take kindly to being called unfriendly.  I am very friendly.  Ask your mom about how friendly I am.

Matthais is real:

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff231/Cornaneilius/fridge.jpg)


& he is waiting.

...for more pie.
Matthias  want's his fridge loving, NOW.


Matthais really wants teh lovin'!

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff231/Cornaneilius/LOLTOWEL.jpg)
I feel I'll
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 05, 2009, 09:18:14 PM
hey hey you guys

mathais never wanted anything to do with the fridge

that was allllllllllllllll allyss
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BaronLaCroix on February 05, 2009, 09:19:17 PM
Let's not turn this into the Shadow/b/ox, k?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: hateandjealousy on February 05, 2009, 09:20:23 PM
Ah Alyss, don't forget Alyss want's to fuck His/Her brother as well, in a fridge.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Wight Chocolate on February 05, 2009, 09:22:37 PM
Also, yes, you are an unfriendly person, Caddy. I don't know you well enough to call you an asshole, but blanket-stating that all of us are "atrocious roleplayers with no skill or ability, who pretty much learned how to write from reading too many bad fanfics" is pretty asinine, indeed.

Yeah, at least post some actual criticism.

I did.

WARNING: TL;DR INCOMING.

Quote
HOLY CARP HAVE I REALLY DEIGNED TO GRACE YOU PEOPLE WITH MY MAJESTIC PRESENCE

That’s right, folks. Hold on to your goddamned seats, because Wight is here to address a few things that he should have mentioned a long, long time ago. This is going to be a long one, so either get your popcorn out or flip that tl;dr switch and navigate away from this post immediately.

Many of you may not know this since most of you love to make me out to be some kind of black-hearted fiend from the deepest abyss (not that I mind; I still find the whole arch-villain thing I seem to have going on to be quite flattering) and probably cannot bear the prospect of me actually being nice to any of you, but several months ago on the WotC forums, I was asked directly by Matthais777 to send him a rant on your forum.

What I had initially intended to be a fiery, scathing critique of the actual roleplaying involved here ended up becoming a smattering of small, helpful suggestions and advice for the improvement of the forum as a whole. You might not know this, but had it not been for my intervention, this very useful thread in the original forum detailing the setting of your roleplaying scenario may never have come to be.

Of course it was still a deadly minefield of vitriol since at that point I had a reputation to uphold, but nevertheless, I received fairly cordial responses to it from both Matthais777 and Alyss, who requested that the message be forwarded to him/her/it/<whatever the hell they’ve decided they are now>* after discovering its existence.

However, because of a rather restrictive 5000 character limit and numerous other factors, many things were left unsaid; specifically, almost all of the content of what was supposed to be the rant. Since I now find myself in an unusual lull with very little to occupy myself for the next three hours or so, you get to see it in all its infernal glory. Sunglasses recommended.

First, however, you might be wondering something. How exactly is it that I can criticise anything here if I’m not a regular and I haven’t been reading it?

Well, truth be told, I have been reading it. Don’t get your hopes up, though; it’s kept me entertained, but for all the wrong reasons. I keep coming back here as a sort of experiment; I want to see how long a group of people are capable of maintaining such a potent stream of melodrama and self-indulgence before it peters out, and I also want to see how long said stream can keep my morbid fascination at an optimal level for before it dwindles away and I lose interest.

(I know that after reading this, at least one of you out there will be just itching to respond with something like “Yeah, sure. I bet he really comes here because he secretly loves us and everything we do but he just doesn’t want to admit it, and I bet that in my attempt to be clever by pointing this out, I’ve really told him off. High five, everyone.” By all means, do so if you feel the need. I just wanted to cheapen the experience for you by predicting it.)

Therefore, I am not going into this blind, and I am fully qualified to sit upon my desecrated throne and pass judgement upon all of you. So there.


Well, the introduction turned out longer than I had intended. With that out of the way, let’s get down to the meat of this sordid affair.


It is quite convenient for me that a great deal of this can be rather succinctly summed up in a single thread.

http://z9.invisionfree.com/Travellers_Respite/index.php?showtopic=145&st=0

Let’s take a look at this monstrosity, shall we?

We’re going to leave aside the fact that the premise of it seems to revolve around the act of torturing a child to death. This is not what concerns us. (That’s not entirely accurate, of course; the content of this thread is definitely cause for concern, but of a completely different sort.) We are looking past this and at the roleplaying itself.

Firstly, there’s the simple fact that it’s happening in such gruesome detail.

It is, of course, a common technique to inspire hatred of a villain by having them do dastardly deeds. This is a stable of unsympathetic antagonists everywhere. They do bad things, make the readers/viewers hate them, and then it’s much more satisfying when they are eventually vanquished. It’s so much of a cliché that it’s not even really considered a cliché, but it works so well that there’s simply no good reason to avoid doing it.

Now, that’s all well and good in and of itself. But there is such a thing as overdoing it, and this thread not only crosses the line but continues going at a full sprint, occasionally looking back over its shoulder and wondering why everyone else has stopped.

Almost every good writer out there will, upon deciding that a villain is about to do something horrible, follow one of two courses of action;

1. Make the act sudden, sharp and unexpected. This serves to act as a hard-hitting shock to the reader; a sure sign that it’s been done well is if they say to themselves “Oh my god, did he/she really just do that?” and read the dreadful paragraph several times just to let it sink in. They then move on, allowing things to advance, but leaving the reader shaken for some time.

2. Imply that the action has taken/is taking place. This is another classic; we see the villain advancing upon their helpless victim with a knife, and then we (either metaphorically or literally) suddenly cut to a view of the building’s exterior…where all we here is a blood-curdling scream. This works because it leaves the exact details of what’s going on to the imagination. It’s the same kind of technique employed in the movie “Psycho”; one doesn’t see the knife actually stabbing into the flesh because it’s somehow more horrible that way.

You’ll notice that neither of these are taking place here.

What we are receiving instead is an endless, blow-by-blow account that should have faded to black long ago. Sure, it might seem terrible and bleak when one starts into it, but after the first, oh THIRTY EXCHANGES OR SO, it starts losing its edge, to put it as mildly as possible. One’s reaction quickly goes from “Oh god! I don’t believe this! She is one twisted bitch!” to “Oh, I guess she’s torturing that kid some more. Yawn.”

You know what this reminds me of? The Hostel movies.

The first torture scene in these leave you with your hands shaking and your heart pounding. (Actually it doesn’t because it was poorly executed and you’ve been mentally bludgeoned into a total stupor with an hour of meandering set-up, but I’m speaking theoretically.) Then you start seeing more, and more, and more…and it isn’t long at all before the shaking hands are replaced with a furrowed brow, the noise of the thumping heartbeat overcome by a voice saying “What the hell’s the point of all this? It isn’t even going anywhere.”

It isn’t going anywhere. At all. It’s completely stupid and utterly without purpose, and the only reason I can see for its monotonous, droning continuance is that the two people involved get some kind of twisted jollies from the idea of making little girls bleed and cry and scream. Kind of like some other thread I could reference.

Setting aside the perverse inclinations of this place, what’s important here is moderation. Very few of you seem to understand the concept of “middle ground”. With moderation, that thread could have been truly brutal and effective instead of a long-winded session of useless torture narration.

With moderation, a lot of you might see your way to becoming better roleplayers and better writers in general. It seems to be a recurring theme that every major event or every instance of character development falls either under the categories of BLACKEST SADDEST DEPRESSION WAILING AND RAGE DRAWN FROM THE DARKEST PITS OF HEEELLLLLL or over-the-top, feel-good, lovey-dovey gushing that frankly is enough to nauseate a person.

You don’t have to go right to the end of the spectrum every time. There’s only so many times you can see someone swearing revenge by all the stand for, by all they hold dear and by their own flowing blood before it starts becoming extremely trite, and it’s not many. For the love of god, try something more subtle. You don’t need to have a character undergo some horrible trauma or fall madly in love or suffer a small eternity of mind-bending rape at the hands of a self-insertion fantasy goddess (seriously, what in the hell) in order to make them deeper, and the results of a milder approach can often be much, much more worthwhile.


This is the main issue that I would have liked to stress at the time but never got the opportunity to. I would suggest a couple of other things, specifically that the sort of rapid-fire, low-detail posting that tends to go on here would be much, MUCH better suited to a chatroom than a forum, and also that certain members LEARN THE GODDAMN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “YOUR” AND “YOU’RE” THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR THIS IF YOU ARE A NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKER WITH A FUNCTIONAL BRAIN, but you appear to be set in your ways on those fronts.

There are other things I could go into as well, but there’s also only so much I care to write in a given period and I seriously doubt anyone’s going to read all of this; or if they do, it’ll be so that they can look back through their posts and pick out examples where the haven’t done what I said they shouldn’t do so that they can “prove me wrong”, rather than simply taking what they can from the criticism and making use of it. (Hint: This is what should be done with criticism.)


I realise that this would have been much easier to read had I separated it into several posts. However, in all honesty, I’m half-expecting this thread to be deleted and myself to be banned within mere minutes of the time of posting, and in that situation I won’t have been given the chance to finish.

I’m not bothered either way, of course. I think the true satisfaction was in the actual process of writing of this little article. The many vagaries of life often cause me to accumulate a lot of excess acid. If I don’t allow some to drain off every now and then, I get heartburn.

Still, though. 100 posts of unabashed, uninterrupted torture porn. That’s probably some sort of record. Give yourselves a pat on the back.


* Totally called it.






EDIT: Oh, my apologies. It appears I somehow got redirected to Encyclopedia Dramatica while writing this post.

Sorry to interrupt.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: music box on February 05, 2009, 09:25:39 PM
whatever/whoever this kid is seems to have disappeared. they haven't posted in a couple days.

quite a change from posting like 150 times a day.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on February 05, 2009, 09:28:29 PM
Wight, why do you always sign off abruptly?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Wight Chocolate on February 05, 2009, 09:31:14 PM
Why not?

I'm a crazy guy.

Get a little WILD sometimes and just log off out of the blue.

Don't get frightened.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 05, 2009, 09:32:23 PM
whatever/whoever this kid is seems to have disappeared. they haven't posted in a couple days.

quite a change from posting like 150 times a day.

 :buck2:
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: hateandjealousy on February 05, 2009, 09:32:33 PM
I can't see the link keeps telling me to log in, do I need an account.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 09:32:39 PM
Why not?

I'm a crazy guy.

Get a little WILD sometimes and just log off out of the blue.

Don't get frightened.


Goddamnit.  That actually made me lol.



Ah Alyss, don't forget Alyss want's to fuck His/Her brother as well, in a fridge.

*blinks*  Did I miss something?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: hateandjealousy on February 05, 2009, 09:40:15 PM
Why not?

I'm a crazy guy.

Get a little WILD sometimes and just log off out of the blue.

Don't get frightened.


Goddamnit.  That actually made me lol.



Ah Alyss, don't forget Alyss want's to fuck His/Her brother as well, in a fridge.

*blinks*  Did I miss something?
there was a would you hook up with your cousin thread, and Alyss decided to share that she/he wants to fuck his/her brother. I'm pretty sure it was bullshit but still, her/his brother, cousin is one thing sibling is another.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Wight Chocolate on February 05, 2009, 10:02:27 PM
I can't see the link keeps telling me to log in, do I need an account.

Huh.

I'm assuming that they decided to make the NSFW areas of the forum (which is where that thread would be located) members only, in light of the...recent developments.

Not an unwise move, you have to admit.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 10:06:59 PM
Eh.  I'd seen more than enough of it.  *finger down throat*
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: hateandjealousy on February 05, 2009, 10:09:08 PM
yeah but I didn't get to see any of it.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 10:15:40 PM
It's like reading Twilight, only...trying too hard to be evil, and with much worse writing.  I was somehow expecting a half dragon, half elf, half vampire, half monkey to make an appearance.  I did, though, see the thorough rape of the D&D system in play.  *shudder*
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on February 05, 2009, 10:18:23 PM
It's like reading Twilight, only...trying too hard to be evil, and with much worse writing.  I was somehow expecting a half dragon, half elf, half vampire, half monkey to make an appearance.  I did, though, see the thorough rape of the D&D system in play.  *shudder*

Caddy next time post a spoiler warning. Knowing that there will be no half dragon, half elf, half vampire, half monkey action has, like, totally ruined it for me.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: yosmark on February 05, 2009, 10:18:52 PM
Also, yes, you are an unfriendly person, Caddy. I don't know you well enough to call you an asshole, but blanket-stating that all of us are "atrocious roleplayers with no skill or ability, who pretty much learned how to write from reading too many bad fanfics" is pretty asinine, indeed.

Yeah, at least post some actual criticism.

I did.

WARNING: TL;DR INCOMING.

Quote
HOLY CARP HAVE I REALLY DEIGNED TO GRACE YOU PEOPLE WITH MY MAJESTIC PRESENCE

That’s right, folks. Hold on to your goddamned seats, because Wight is here to address a few things that he should have mentioned a long, long time ago. This is going to be a long one, so either get your popcorn out or flip that tl;dr switch and navigate away from this post immediately.

Many of you may not know this since most of you love to make me out to be some kind of black-hearted fiend from the deepest abyss (not that I mind; I still find the whole arch-villain thing I seem to have going on to be quite flattering) and probably cannot bear the prospect of me actually being nice to any of you, but several months ago on the WotC forums, I was asked directly by Matthais777 to send him a rant on your forum.

What I had initially intended to be a fiery, scathing critique of the actual roleplaying involved here ended up becoming a smattering of small, helpful suggestions and advice for the improvement of the forum as a whole. You might not know this, but had it not been for my intervention, this very useful thread in the original forum detailing the setting of your roleplaying scenario may never have come to be.

Of course it was still a deadly minefield of vitriol since at that point I had a reputation to uphold, but nevertheless, I received fairly cordial responses to it from both Matthais777 and Alyss, who requested that the message be forwarded to him/her/it/<whatever the hell they’ve decided they are now>* after discovering its existence.

However, because of a rather restrictive 5000 character limit and numerous other factors, many things were left unsaid; specifically, almost all of the content of what was supposed to be the rant. Since I now find myself in an unusual lull with very little to occupy myself for the next three hours or so, you get to see it in all its infernal glory. Sunglasses recommended.

First, however, you might be wondering something. How exactly is it that I can criticise anything here if I’m not a regular and I haven’t been reading it?

Well, truth be told, I have been reading it. Don’t get your hopes up, though; it’s kept me entertained, but for all the wrong reasons. I keep coming back here as a sort of experiment; I want to see how long a group of people are capable of maintaining such a potent stream of melodrama and self-indulgence before it peters out, and I also want to see how long said stream can keep my morbid fascination at an optimal level for before it dwindles away and I lose interest.

(I know that after reading this, at least one of you out there will be just itching to respond with something like “Yeah, sure. I bet he really comes here because he secretly loves us and everything we do but he just doesn’t want to admit it, and I bet that in my attempt to be clever by pointing this out, I’ve really told him off. High five, everyone.” By all means, do so if you feel the need. I just wanted to cheapen the experience for you by predicting it.)

Therefore, I am not going into this blind, and I am fully qualified to sit upon my desecrated throne and pass judgement upon all of you. So there.


Well, the introduction turned out longer than I had intended. With that out of the way, let’s get down to the meat of this sordid affair.


It is quite convenient for me that a great deal of this can be rather succinctly summed up in a single thread.

http://z9.invisionfree.com/Travellers_Respite/index.php?showtopic=145&st=0

Let’s take a look at this monstrosity, shall we?

We’re going to leave aside the fact that the premise of it seems to revolve around the act of torturing a child to death. This is not what concerns us. (That’s not entirely accurate, of course; the content of this thread is definitely cause for concern, but of a completely different sort.) We are looking past this and at the roleplaying itself.

Firstly, there’s the simple fact that it’s happening in such gruesome detail.

It is, of course, a common technique to inspire hatred of a villain by having them do dastardly deeds. This is a stable of unsympathetic antagonists everywhere. They do bad things, make the readers/viewers hate them, and then it’s much more satisfying when they are eventually vanquished. It’s so much of a cliché that it’s not even really considered a cliché, but it works so well that there’s simply no good reason to avoid doing it.

Now, that’s all well and good in and of itself. But there is such a thing as overdoing it, and this thread not only crosses the line but continues going at a full sprint, occasionally looking back over its shoulder and wondering why everyone else has stopped.

Almost every good writer out there will, upon deciding that a villain is about to do something horrible, follow one of two courses of action;

1. Make the act sudden, sharp and unexpected. This serves to act as a hard-hitting shock to the reader; a sure sign that it’s been done well is if they say to themselves “Oh my god, did he/she really just do that?” and read the dreadful paragraph several times just to let it sink in. They then move on, allowing things to advance, but leaving the reader shaken for some time.

2. Imply that the action has taken/is taking place. This is another classic; we see the villain advancing upon their helpless victim with a knife, and then we (either metaphorically or literally) suddenly cut to a view of the building’s exterior…where all we here is a blood-curdling scream. This works because it leaves the exact details of what’s going on to the imagination. It’s the same kind of technique employed in the movie “Psycho”; one doesn’t see the knife actually stabbing into the flesh because it’s somehow more horrible that way.

You’ll notice that neither of these are taking place here.

What we are receiving instead is an endless, blow-by-blow account that should have faded to black long ago. Sure, it might seem terrible and bleak when one starts into it, but after the first, oh THIRTY EXCHANGES OR SO, it starts losing its edge, to put it as mildly as possible. One’s reaction quickly goes from “Oh god! I don’t believe this! She is one twisted bitch!” to “Oh, I guess she’s torturing that kid some more. Yawn.”

You know what this reminds me of? The Hostel movies.

The first torture scene in these leave you with your hands shaking and your heart pounding. (Actually it doesn’t because it was poorly executed and you’ve been mentally bludgeoned into a total stupor with an hour of meandering set-up, but I’m speaking theoretically.) Then you start seeing more, and more, and more…and it isn’t long at all before the shaking hands are replaced with a furrowed brow, the noise of the thumping heartbeat overcome by a voice saying “What the hell’s the point of all this? It isn’t even going anywhere.”

It isn’t going anywhere. At all. It’s completely stupid and utterly without purpose, and the only reason I can see for its monotonous, droning continuance is that the two people involved get some kind of twisted jollies from the idea of making little girls bleed and cry and scream. Kind of like some other thread I could reference.

Setting aside the perverse inclinations of this place, what’s important here is moderation. Very few of you seem to understand the concept of “middle ground”. With moderation, that thread could have been truly brutal and effective instead of a long-winded session of useless torture narration.

With moderation, a lot of you might see your way to becoming better roleplayers and better writers in general. It seems to be a recurring theme that every major event or every instance of character development falls either under the categories of BLACKEST SADDEST DEPRESSION WAILING AND RAGE DRAWN FROM THE DARKEST PITS OF HEEELLLLLL or over-the-top, feel-good, lovey-dovey gushing that frankly is enough to nauseate a person.

You don’t have to go right to the end of the spectrum every time. There’s only so many times you can see someone swearing revenge by all the stand for, by all they hold dear and by their own flowing blood before it starts becoming extremely trite, and it’s not many. For the love of god, try something more subtle. You don’t need to have a character undergo some horrible trauma or fall madly in love or suffer a small eternity of mind-bending rape at the hands of a self-insertion fantasy goddess (seriously, what in the hell) in order to make them deeper, and the results of a milder approach can often be much, much more worthwhile.


This is the main issue that I would have liked to stress at the time but never got the opportunity to. I would suggest a couple of other things, specifically that the sort of rapid-fire, low-detail posting that tends to go on here would be much, MUCH better suited to a chatroom than a forum, and also that certain members LEARN THE GODDAMN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “YOUR” AND “YOU’RE” THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR THIS IF YOU ARE A NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKER WITH A FUNCTIONAL BRAIN, but you appear to be set in your ways on those fronts.

There are other things I could go into as well, but there’s also only so much I care to write in a given period and I seriously doubt anyone’s going to read all of this; or if they do, it’ll be so that they can look back through their posts and pick out examples where the haven’t done what I said they shouldn’t do so that they can “prove me wrong”, rather than simply taking what they can from the criticism and making use of it. (Hint: This is what should be done with criticism.)


I realise that this would have been much easier to read had I separated it into several posts. However, in all honesty, I’m half-expecting this thread to be deleted and myself to be banned within mere minutes of the time of posting, and in that situation I won’t have been given the chance to finish.

I’m not bothered either way, of course. I think the true satisfaction was in the actual process of writing of this little article. The many vagaries of life often cause me to accumulate a lot of excess acid. If I don’t allow some to drain off every now and then, I get heartburn.

Still, though. 100 posts of unabashed, uninterrupted torture porn. That’s probably some sort of record. Give yourselves a pat on the back.


* Totally called it.






EDIT: Oh, my apologies. It appears I somehow got redirected to Encyclopedia Dramatica while writing this post.

Sorry to interrupt.

tl/dr.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Wight Chocolate on February 05, 2009, 10:20:21 PM
Hey, I warned you.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 10:28:41 PM
Fuck Total, that's twice I've actually lol'd tonight.  Stop gaiz!   :uglystupid2:


I think it's hilarious that tl;dr could still mean "too long, did read".  Anywho, when it comes to that dissertation diatribe, it was both funny, true, a good read.  *shrugs*  Though I disagree with the stopping once you think you've gone too far.  I think if done right, and with the right characters in a proper setting, pushing further only makes things more interesting.

Maiming and killing a kid, no.  Useless.  Having a character that eats people for nutrition, and doing that while in a room full of very boring roleplayers who keep trying to have orgies?  Instant fun.  Especially when you try to eat one of the orgy goers.  Especially when that orgy goer is a fucking neko slave kitty thing.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 05, 2009, 10:33:10 PM
Fuck Total, that's twice I've actually lol'd tonight.  Stop gaiz!   :uglystupid2:


I think it's hilarious that tl;dr could still mean "too long, did read".  Anywho, when it comes to that dissertation diatribe, it was both funny, true, a good read.  *shrugs*  Though I disagree with the stopping once you think you've gone too far.  I think if done right, and with the right characters in a proper setting, pushing further only makes things more interesting.

Maiming and killing a kid, no.  Useless.  Having a character that eats people for nutrition, and doing that while in a room full of very boring roleplayers who keep trying to have orgies?  Instant fun.  Especially when you try to eat one of the orgy goers.  Especially when that orgy goer is a fucking neko slave kitty thing.

Or, the cannibal opens the fridge to take out some free-dried bitch only to find an orgy.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: hateandjealousy on February 05, 2009, 11:03:07 PM
fridge orgy?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 05, 2009, 11:44:42 PM
Mmmmmm, freeze-dried fridge orgy.  That sounds kinda wrong, and kinda right, and kinda weird.  I have about two characters (people eaters) who would totally be down.  =D


Also, I just started dling DnD v3.5.  *happy*  I'm going to take all of my freestyle charries, and rewrite them into DnD format.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BaronLaCroix on February 06, 2009, 12:02:18 AM
Mmmmmm, freeze-dried fridge orgy.  That sounds kinda wrong, and kinda right, and kinda weird.  I have about two characters (people eaters) who would totally be down.  =D


Also, I just started dling DnD v3.5.  *happy*  I'm going to take all of my freestyle charries, and rewrite them into DnD format.
3.5 is shamefully superior to 4.0.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: hateandjealousy on February 06, 2009, 12:25:52 AM
we get back on this subject so often.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: CeeGBee on February 06, 2009, 02:09:35 AM
...the thought of Aly being a construct maintained by a multitude of people across the globe strikes me as awesome, in a way....
...and so, the dream is finally realized:

CLOUD TROLLING!!! 
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: $ethie on February 09, 2009, 03:01:07 PM
So, I've not been posting as much as I used to... Should I know who this dude is?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on February 09, 2009, 03:03:48 PM
So, I've not been posting as much as I used to... Should I know who this dude is?

You missed a heck of a lot, but I think it would be better for Ferg and all of us if you just didn't try to find out about it and start this whole discussion up again.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 09, 2009, 03:16:42 PM
So, I've not been posting as much as I used to... Should I know who this dude is?

You missed a heck of a lot, but I think it would be better for Ferg and all of us if you just didn't try to find out about it and start this whole discussion up again.

wtf

for someone who doesn't want to deal with this discussion you sure seem to post a lot about it.

It is *so* easy to just not read this thread. Unless I am mistaken, it doesn't seem like people are fussing about this at all anymore, let alone in multiple places.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on February 09, 2009, 03:21:02 PM
I didn't mean to sound confrontational or anything, and if I did, I apologize.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 09, 2009, 03:27:24 PM
So, I've not been posting as much as I used to... Should I know who this dude is?

You missed a heck of a lot, but I think it would be better for Ferg and all of us if you just didn't try to find out about it and start this whole discussion up again.

wtf

for someone who doesn't want to deal with this discussion you sure seem to post a lot about it.

It is *so* easy to just not read this thread. Unless I am mistaken, it doesn't seem like people are fussing about this at all anymore, let alone in multiple places.


Somebody took their asshole pill this morning.


She was just answering a question.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Contact on February 09, 2009, 03:29:03 PM
It is *so* easy to just not read this thread. Unless I am mistaken, it doesn't seem like people are fussing about this at all anymore, let alone in multiple places.
About time...
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 09, 2009, 03:34:09 PM
It is *so* easy to just not read this thread. Unless I am mistaken, it doesn't seem like people are fussing about this at all anymore, let alone in multiple places.
About time...

Hi Fergus!
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 09, 2009, 03:34:59 PM
And here we go again.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Mr. Leave Me Alone on February 09, 2009, 03:36:14 PM
Oh dear god, what?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Contact on February 09, 2009, 03:36:30 PM
It is *so* easy to just not read this thread. Unless I am mistaken, it doesn't seem like people are fussing about this at all anymore, let alone in multiple places.
About time...

Hi Fergus!
Hey. How's things?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 09, 2009, 03:38:42 PM
It is *so* easy to just not read this thread. Unless I am mistaken, it doesn't seem like people are fussing about this at all anymore, let alone in multiple places.
About time...

Hi Fergus!
Hey. How's things?

Interesting, to say the least. Your friends at the Respite are very tenacious.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 09, 2009, 03:40:32 PM
It is *so* easy to just not read this thread. Unless I am mistaken, it doesn't seem like people are fussing about this at all anymore, let alone in multiple places.
About time...

Hi Fergus!
Hey. How's things?

Interesting, to say the least. Your friends at the Respite are very tenacious in their bad roleplaying.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 09, 2009, 03:40:53 PM
Britt, I apologize. That was uncalled for.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Contact on February 09, 2009, 03:41:44 PM
It is *so* easy to just not read this thread. Unless I am mistaken, it doesn't seem like people are fussing about this at all anymore, let alone in multiple places.
About time...

Hi Fergus!
Hey. How's things?

Interesting, to say the least. Your friends at the Respite are very tenacious.
So I saw. Matthias is too nice a guy to deal with what happened here. I would have told him to leave it alone.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 09, 2009, 03:44:19 PM
So I saw. Matthias is too nice a guy to deal with what happened here. I would have told him to leave it alone.

Well, he was doing what he thought was right (in combatting our forum for invading his space and slandering his friend oh noes), but he seems smart enough to know when enough is enough is enough for him.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Contact on February 09, 2009, 03:53:51 PM
Smart didn't have anything to do with it. Being ripped into like that upset him too much.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 09, 2009, 03:58:46 PM
Smart didn't have anything to do with it. Being ripped into like that upset him too much.

He gave as good as he got. If he wanted strangers to be kind and gentle, he shouldn't have been the first to become aggressive.

Edit: another thing my momma taught me, which is just common sense. You treat others the way you want to be treated, end of story.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Contact on February 09, 2009, 04:07:55 PM
Smart didn't have anything to do with it. Being ripped into like that upset him too much.

He gave as good as he got. If he wanted strangers to be kind and gentle, he shouldn't have been the first to become aggressive.

Edit: another thing my momma taught me, which is just common sense. You treat others the way you want to be treated, end of story.
True. I'm not defending him. Just think it's a shame. You have to remember of course, that people lash out when they're angry.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 09, 2009, 04:12:59 PM
Smart didn't have anything to do with it. Being ripped into like that upset him too much.

He gave as good as he got. If he wanted strangers to be kind and gentle, he shouldn't have been the first to become aggressive.

Edit: another thing my momma taught me, which is just common sense. You treat others the way you want to be treated, end of story.
True. I'm not defending him. Just think it's a shame. You have to remember of course, that people lash out when they're angry.

No, I remember. But I'm offering you a reason not to blame yourself for not stopping him.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 09, 2009, 04:18:04 PM
For the love of Bob, I would somebody would lock this thread, and get rid of Alyss or Fergus, or Haggis or whatever the fuck he is.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Contact on February 09, 2009, 04:24:52 PM
Smart didn't have anything to do with it. Being ripped into like that upset him too much.

He gave as good as he got. If he wanted strangers to be kind and gentle, he shouldn't have been the first to become aggressive.

Edit: another thing my momma taught me, which is just common sense. You treat others the way you want to be treated, end of story.
True. I'm not defending him. Just think it's a shame. You have to remember of course, that people lash out when they're angry.

No, I remember. But I'm offering you a reason not to blame yourself for not stopping him.
Thank you. He's okay now anyway. And, not to be presumptive, you seem to be as well.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 09, 2009, 04:29:57 PM
Thank you. He's okay now anyway. And, not to be presumptive, you seem to be as well.

I like to think you've been punished enough.
And honestly, if you've got the balls to keep posting here (especially in a thread that's devoted to hate and such of you specifically), I ought to at least be civil.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Contact on February 09, 2009, 04:33:49 PM
Thank you. He's okay now anyway. And, not to be presumptive, you seem to be as well.

I like to think you've been punished enough.
And honestly, if you've got the balls to keep posting here (especially in a thread that's devoted to hate and such of you specifically), I ought to at least be civil.
I've had worse. I'd be using my main account, but I'm still waiting for Bill to lift the gagging order. He did say it would be lifted today, so I can't see an issue with me now using this account to speak. Prior, I was just using it for PMs.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Bubblegum Britt on February 09, 2009, 04:36:34 PM
Thank you. He's okay now anyway. And, not to be presumptive, you seem to be as well.

I like to think you've been punished enough.
And honestly, if you've got the balls to keep posting here (especially in a thread that's devoted to hate and such of you specifically), I ought to at least be civil.
I've had worse. I'd be using my main account, but I'm still waiting for Bill to lift the gagging order. He did say it would be lifted today, so I can't see an issue with me now using this account to speak. Prior, I was just using it for PMs.

Maybe you should stick to this account, Fergie. The only thing you would lose is your post count...
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Contact on February 09, 2009, 04:45:55 PM
Quite. I earned that post count, even if it did drive everyone insane. I didn't go through all of that to lose it. Besides, I still have to use an ip proxy to post. So I still need Bill to fix things.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 09, 2009, 04:56:27 PM
earned that post count     didn't go through all of that to lose it.

If post count is that important to you then you shouldn't be posting.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 09, 2009, 04:58:51 PM
Quite. I earned that post count, even if it did drive everyone insane. I didn't go through all of that to lose it. Besides, I still have to use an ip proxy to post. So I still need Bill to fix things.

Anybody who goes back to trusting a poster after they 1) lied to a whole forum, 2) lied to yet another forum in a more elaborate way, and 3) uses proxies when he can't be fucked to wait on shit to come through...

...isn't very intelligent.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Contact on February 09, 2009, 05:02:15 PM
If you want to argue then I'm on AIM. Otherwise, I'm not going to rise to these.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! on February 09, 2009, 05:02:56 PM
lol
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Cheddars Cousin on February 09, 2009, 05:06:59 PM
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m260/robdowning/thTayZonday.jpg)
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: dangerpants on February 09, 2009, 05:27:25 PM
[3) uses proxies when he can't be fucked to wait on shit to come through...

this is where my patience ends. fergus, you went behind billh's back. you're still muted, wait he gives you the ok.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: old news on February 09, 2009, 06:28:01 PM
I really don't know what's going on, and I'm not sure I want to...clearly, I missed a great deal by joining when I did. Although, does post count matter that much? Surely it's friendships made rather than posts made that determine how deeply involved someone is with a forum?
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: CeeGBee on February 09, 2009, 06:36:40 PM
I really don't know what's going on, and I'm not sure I want to...clearly, I missed a great deal by joining when I did. Although, does post count matter that much? Surely it's friendships made rather than posts made that determine how deeply involved someone is with a forum?
Easiest thing to do (says the guy who started this thread) is simply to stop reading any post
if you find any reference to Alyss, Man-Alice, or Fergus. 

Short version, just so you'll know why:  A guy created an account here pretending to be a girl
with serious issues and traumas in her life.  People took the character at face value (at first),
not realizing it was an exercise in interacive fiction, and when the deceit was exposed, many
took offense.  The offending individual eventually came clean and made some gesture toward
an apology, but a lot of people are still mad.  Oh, and he posted over 1600 messages in about
a week.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: old news on February 09, 2009, 06:39:43 PM
I really don't know what's going on, and I'm not sure I want to...clearly, I missed a great deal by joining when I did. Although, does post count matter that much? Surely it's friendships made rather than posts made that determine how deeply involved someone is with a forum?
Easiest thing to do (says the guy who started this thread) is simply to stop reading any post
if you find any reference to Alyss, Man-Alice, or Fergus. 

Short version, just so you'll know why:  A guy created an account here pretending to be a girl
with serious issues and traumas in her life.  People took the character at face value (at first),
not realizing it was an exercise in interacive fiction, and when the deceit was exposed, many
took offense.  The offending individual eventually came clean and made some gesture toward
an apology, but a lot of people are still mad.  Oh, and he posted over 1600 messages in about
a week.


I see...thankyou for the summary! That is a little...confusing, and I can see why people would be upset. 1600 messages, though? Good grief...

That said, I'll keep out of this. It doesn't involve me, and it doesn't need to.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: CeeGBee on February 09, 2009, 06:40:25 PM
I really don't know what's going on, and I'm not sure I want to...clearly, I missed a great deal by joining when I did. Although, does post count matter that much? Surely it's friendships made rather than posts made that determine how deeply involved someone is with a forum?
Easiest thing to do (says the guy who started this thread) is simply to stop reading any post
if you find any reference to Alyss, Man-Alice, or Fergus. 

Short version, just so you'll know why:  A guy created an account here pretending to be a girl
with serious issues and traumas in her life.  People took the character at face value (at first),
not realizing it was an exercise in interacive fiction, and when the deceit was exposed, many
took offense.  The offending individual eventually came clean and made some gesture toward
an apology, but a lot of people are still mad.  Oh, and he posted over 1600 messages in about
a week.


I see...thankyou for the summary! That is a little...confusing, and I can see why people would be upset. 1600 messages, though? Good grief...

That said, I'll keep out of this. It doesn't involve me, and it doesn't need to.
Smart and pretty...  You'll go far.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: caddy on February 09, 2009, 06:51:57 PM
If you want to argue then I'm on AIM. Otherwise, I'm not going to rise to these.

OooOoOoOOOoOoOOoooOOOooOOOooooO!  AIM challenge.  Ja' right, no.
Title: Re: THE OFFICIAL ALYSS/MAN ALICE HATE/LOVE/Bitch&Moan thread
Post by: Contact on February 09, 2009, 06:56:52 PM
[3) uses proxies when he can't be fucked to wait on shit to come through...

this is where my patience ends. fergus, you went behind billh's back. you're still muted, wait he gives you the ok.
Bah, granted. I'll cease.