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Title: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: music box on February 27, 2009, 01:01:25 AM
Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010


By Anne Flaherty, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama told lawmakers on Thursday he plans to withdraw most American troops from Iraq by August 2010 but leave tens of thousands behind to advise Iraqi forces and protect U.S. interests, congressional officials said.

Obama is expected to announce the new strategy on Friday during a trip to the Marine Corps base at Camp Lejeune, N.C.

In a closed-door meeting with Republican and Democratic leaders, Obama and his top advisers estimated that 35,000 to 50,000 troops would remain in Iraq after the bulk of troops are withdrawn.

Obama campaigned on ending the Iraq war and pledged to do so in 16 months. The withdrawal timetable he is expected to approve stretches over 19 months from his inauguration in January. That means some 100,000 troops would leave over the coming 18 months.

Rep. John McHugh, the top Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, said Obama promised him to reconsider the new strategy if violence rises. McHugh said he was worried the situation in Iraq remained fragile, especially as it approaches elections in December.

"Our commanders must have the flexibility they need in order to respond to these challenges, and President Obama assured me that there is a 'Plan B,'" McHugh, R-N.Y., said in a statement.

According to one congressional official, lawmakers were told that Gen. David Petraeus, head of U.S. Central Command, and Gen. Ray Odierno, the top commander in Baghdad, believed the plan presented moderate risk but supported the 50,000 figure.

Some Democrats are skeptical but because they say it would leave too many troops behind.

"I have been one for a long time that's called for significant cutbacks in Iraq, and I am happy to listen to the secretary of defense and the president," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., told reporters before the briefing. "But when they talk about 50,000, that's a little higher number than I had anticipated."

In addition to Reid, congressional leaders attending the meeting included House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio. Vice President Joe Biden, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had also been expected to attend as well.

Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, told the U.N.'s Security Council on Thursday that the U.S. would move "responsibly and safely" to reduce the U.S. military presence in Iraq.

She said the process of redeploying American combat troops will be carried out in consultation with the Iraqi government "and with its support."

An existing U.S-Iraq agreement, negotiated under President George W. Bush, calls for U.S. combat troops to withdraw from Baghdad and other cities by the end of June, with all American forces out of the country by the end of 2011.


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Title: Re: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: 85283-071 on February 27, 2009, 01:42:21 AM
Pull out early and cum all over Iraq's belly.
Title: Re: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: Kovacs on February 27, 2009, 01:43:16 AM
Lower back. Definitely the lower back.
Title: Re: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: Emmy on February 27, 2009, 03:48:57 AM
Pull out early and cum all over Iraq's belly.

reminds me of ani difranco:

"so it's time to pick through the rubble, clean the streets
and clear the air
get our government to pull its big dick out of the sand
of someone else's desert
put it back in its pants
and quit the hypocritical chants of
freedom forever "
Title: Re: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: 85283-071 on February 27, 2009, 07:05:56 PM
Lower back. Definitely the lower back.


 All things considered, that makes more sense.
Title: Re: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: caddy on February 27, 2009, 08:08:13 PM
Lower back. Definitely the lower back.


 All things considered, that makes more sense.

Because we're America, where no means yes, and yes means harder.
Title: Re: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: armyoflarry on March 02, 2009, 11:39:34 AM
If Iraq didn't really want it, then why did they wear that sexy dress?
Title: Re: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: Jamiemm on March 02, 2009, 11:50:59 AM
If Iraq didn't really want it, then why did they wear that sexy dress?
You're right, they were totally asking for it.  ;D
Title: Re: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: armyoflarry on March 02, 2009, 12:11:26 PM
If Iraq didn't really want it, then why did they wear that sexy dress?
You're right, they were totally asking for it.  ;D

George and Dick were all like "Iraq, you have a real purty mouth"
Title: Re: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: MeaCulpa on March 02, 2009, 02:29:46 PM
In a closed-door meeting with Republican and Democratic leaders, Obama and his top advisers estimated that 35,000 to 50,000 troops would remain in Iraq after the bulk of troops are withdrawn.

So... not really a pullout by 2010....
Title: Re: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: music box on March 02, 2009, 04:41:31 PM
In a closed-door meeting with Republican and Democratic leaders, Obama and his top advisers estimated that 35,000 to 50,000 troops would remain in Iraq after the bulk of troops are withdrawn.

So... not really a pullout by 2010....

after i posted this i heard that they hope to have all troops out of iraq by 2011.

but it doesn't seem to matter now because he decided to start sending troops to afghanistan.
Title: Re: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2009, 05:34:48 PM
It's kind of like his tax plan.  No new taxes for any houshold that earns less than $250,000...unless you use gas and electricity.

All troops out of Iraq...and into Afghanistan.
Title: Re: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: MeaCulpa on March 03, 2009, 11:34:17 AM
It's kind of like his tax plan.  No new taxes for any houshold that earns less than $250,000...unless you use gas and electricity.

All troops out of Iraq...and into Afghanistan.

Scarily true.
Title: Re: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: music box on March 03, 2009, 03:31:47 PM
It's kind of like his tax plan.  No new taxes for any houshold that earns less than $250,000...unless you use gas and electricity.

All troops out of Iraq...and into Afghanistan.

unfortunately.
Title: Re: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: CeeGBee on March 04, 2009, 01:46:10 AM
It's kind of like his tax plan.  No new taxes for any houshold that earns less than $250,000...unless you use gas and electricity.

All troops out of Iraq...and into Afghanistan.
unfortunately.
Isn't that pretty much what he said he'd do during the campaign?

I'd be a lot happier if there were some identifiable objective to the American military
presence in Afghanistan, but at least someone there did actually do something that
might be seen as a valid provocation.

Title: Re: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: 85283-071 on March 04, 2009, 09:12:09 PM
Worries about taxation, on the level of personal finance and on the level prosperity are misplaced... at best. More realistically, the truth of the matter seems to counter conservative intuition. Tax breaks, when all is said and done, in a society like our own, take more money out of your pocket than taxes do. People tend not to look more than a step or two into it. Government spending is not money taken from the people. It is money spent toward the people. Grift is still grift, and we need oversight, but the dysphemistic use of the term "tax and spend liberal" is the war cry of the short-sighted. The opposite of tax and spend is "relinquish the role and allow to stall". The current situation is a pretty resounding affirmation of this. Even if it wasn't, it is now. No entity is in a real position to spend money... except the government. In a stalled and rededing economy, someone needs to. The goverment is not some alien occupancy. It is our own arm. Government spending and projects made America what it is. It has saved America before. It has faced the same sort of opposition to every great work (interstates, trans-continental railrod, National Parks network, the Louisiana Purchase... the list goes on), but these works created prosperity and paved the way for the private industries conservatives claim can and should fly solo.

And then the BALLS they have to say spending never worked, and that it took a war to get us out ofThe Great Depression. The New Deal saved this nation, or we wouldn't have existed to fight WW2. Add to that, the war WAS additional spending. Public works are like war but with creation instead of destruction... and no enemies to worry about down the line.

Liberalism is economically wise, and Barack Obama is a visionary.
Title: Re: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: Rob on March 04, 2009, 10:46:02 PM
My comment was about deceit, not taxes.

We've been over all of this before.  I don't have a problem with taxes.  I have a problem with wasted tax money.  The Federal government is not the most efficient entity in terms of administrating contracts.  If the Fed wasn't allowed to become the leviathan that it has, it would not neeed to assume the role of mother hen.  If the Government is not spending money it has taken from the people, then where has the money come from...China?

The interstate system is a wonderful thing, but there is unimaginable waste every year. 
I have mentioned in other places the fact that government contracts are issued daily that are then subbed out to smaller contractors for fractions of the amount.

Local accountability is essential to responsible taxing and spending.

I did hear something promising today.  Obama mentioned overhauling the process of granting Government contracts.  I hope that this time, he will stick to the original statement and not insert x amount of exceptions after everyone is on board.

Billions of dollars can be saved by making companies actually compete for jobs, and by not allowing them to sub contracts out.

Fiscal conservatism works at home, it can work for the government.
Title: Re: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: 85283-071 on March 04, 2009, 11:02:41 PM
Indeed, the contracting plan is a bit of promising news. No one, on either side of the aisle, LIKES waste. Sometimes, we define it differently, but being assraped by contractors isn't going to be popular with anyone these days.
Title: Re: Obama says Iraq pullout by Aug 2010
Post by: CeeGBee on March 05, 2009, 12:55:15 AM
I find a depressing sort of amusement in the "Conservatives' " talk of an 'insurgency',
and their "I hope you fail" rhetoric....

Remember the old adage:  Lead, follow, or get out of the way ?

Well, they led us to where we are now, they seem unwilling to follow, so is it too much to
ask for them to get the f- out of the way?