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Title: Aliens
Post by: Captain Oblivious on October 01, 2009, 05:20:38 PM
I searched and there was an alien discussion from like 2 years ago, so I thought I'd just make a new one.

I got an assignment in university involving alien abduction, and I really wanted to hear your views on it. Are you a believer or a skeptic?
Discuss!
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: The Angel Raliel on October 01, 2009, 05:37:52 PM
I believe that people have real experiences that are outside of normal everyday experience....I do not believe that these are to do with beings from another planet.....I suspect that we tend to clothe paranormal ( in the true sense) experiences in references we can understand... 300 years ago these were Faerie abductions and their similarities to extraordinary experiences throughout history and all over the planet should not be ignored.... I have seen ghosts and Ufos... I know they exist, I simply cannot explain what they actually were and try not to put any predisposed belief into my explanations.....

From a purely practical point of view... a truly alien civilsation would not actually be able to exist in our planets atmosphere
and would almost certainly not behave in ways that seem so human.

we always look at reality through the dimmed glass of our own subjectivity and I would not wish to deny people the fact that their experiences happened..... simply to warn them that to assume the experience was a purely physical extra-terrestrial entity is as absurd as describing the wave of Ufos that flew over Washington many years ago, as being the product of march gas, the planet Venus and bioluminescent geese! ( these were all official explanations for a phenomena that was witnessed by thousands and showed up on radar)
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: CeeGBee on October 01, 2009, 06:43:17 PM
Is there intelligent life "out there"?

Well, first, define "intelligent", then maybe "life" while you're at it....

Second, I think statistical probablilty says there almost certainly is.




Has anyone from "out there" come to visit us "in here"?  Um, dunno.  I've never met one,
that I know of.  I suspect Raliel's on the right track.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: The Angel Raliel on October 01, 2009, 06:47:22 PM
Oh I firmly believe that extra terrestrial life exists.... i just think it highly unlikely that anything we have experienced is much to do with it.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: The Angel Raliel on October 01, 2009, 06:58:44 PM
double postyness! I should point out that I beleive in ghosts, aliens, faeries, ufos etc......
in the same way i believe in tables.......I know they exist but do not try to deify them through making deeply personal assumptions about what they actually are
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Paul Jon on October 02, 2009, 05:15:27 PM
Near-total disbelief. Alien abductions only began when people starting seeing sci-fi movies.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: The Angel Raliel on October 03, 2009, 02:34:33 AM
Near-total disbelief. Alien abductions only began when people starting seeing sci-fi movies.
not actually true, there were reports that follow the alien abduction scenario that date back well into the 1800's in the U.S. and one could argue that the massive amount of Faerie Abductions/Djinn encounters experienced throughout the world for centuries also follow the same template, just described by people without recourse to the alien abduction template
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Tiervexx on October 04, 2009, 12:46:21 AM
Like CeeGBee said it is VERY likely that aliens exist but I'm much less than convinced that they have ever come here.

I don't doubt that people believe they have seen them.  I don't think people claiming those stories are always making it up but I do think it might be the result of hallucinations.  My own experience on the subject is that anti-psychotic medication greatly reduces your ability to see ghosts and aliens.

double postyness! I should point out that I beleive in ghosts, aliens, faeries, ufos etc......
in the same way i believe in tables.......I know they exist but do not try to deify them through making deeply personal assumptions about what they actually are

I've not heard of people seeing faeries before.  Please tell me about what you think of them and what you've seen.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: The Angel Raliel on October 04, 2009, 02:40:41 AM
Like CeeGBee said it is VERY likely that aliens exist but I'm much less than convinced that they have ever come here.

I don't doubt that people believe they have seen them.  I don't think people claiming those stories are always making it up but I do think it might be the result of hallucinations.  My own experience on the subject is that anti-psychotic medication greatly reduces your ability to see ghosts and aliens.

double postyness! I should point out that I beleive in ghosts, aliens, faeries, ufos etc......
in the same way i believe in tables.......I know they exist but do not try to deify them through making deeply personal assumptions about what they actually are

I've not heard of people seeing faeries before.  Please tell me about what you think of them and what you've seen.
really? loads of people see them all the time in England and Europe.....kind of diificault to describe and often come under the same bracket as ghosts in that you see something that appears completretly real and solid but also appears to be a trick of the light/ a negative shadow / a moving light at the same time...kind of a duality to perception.... hearing laughter feeling things pull and push at you.... things watching you from the hedgerows a glimpse of something truly ....Other
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: MeAndMyCharms on October 04, 2009, 08:49:38 AM
Unless somebody can absolutely prove to me that something doesn't exist, there will always be some part of me that believes. Even if it is just a little bit..
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: CeeGBee on October 04, 2009, 03:29:47 PM
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...   [trufact]
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Shanneeen on October 04, 2009, 04:28:43 PM
well in my opinion.. it would be kind of selfish to think that we're the only ones floating around out here. don't you think?
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Morpheus Laughing on October 04, 2009, 04:31:59 PM
Usual scepticism from me I’m afraid, at least with abductions. Other life in the universe is statistically probable though. As ever with weird things like this, you can’t entirely rule it out, but the alternative explanations seem more plausible – which is to say that there are just too many ways for human perception to get things wrong.

http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/people/matt.davis/sine-wave-speech/

A nice demonstration of one of the ways our brain fills in the blanks with our expectations. Similar things happen visually too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

If it makes sense for us to believe we have experienced something, we believe it. If alien abduction makes sense to you, you’ll fill in the gaps  with that and believe it.

Colon closed bracket : )
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: imaginary friend on October 04, 2009, 05:51:51 PM
Intelligent life out there? hell- there isn't any intelligent life down here!

#@!
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: The Angel Raliel on October 06, 2009, 06:37:30 AM
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?Tutu-wearing_alien_spotted_in_Winchester&in_article_id=747688&in_page_id=2

this made me chuckle.... is he not aware of the local art college?

Btw I can be seen wandering around london in 18th century clothes.....does this make me a ghost?
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: SomewhatDamaged on October 06, 2009, 12:40:10 PM
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?Tutu-wearing_alien_spotted_in_Winchester&in_article_id=747688&in_page_id=2

this made me chuckle.... is he not aware of the local art college?

Btw I can be seen wandering around london in 18th century clothes.....does this make me a ghost?

It would explain why I saw Yvette Fielding on The Hornsey Road the other day.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: J_Beck on October 11, 2009, 08:58:26 AM
Where are the HR Giger images?
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: McMullet on October 15, 2009, 03:35:50 PM
I believe! In the Drake Equation (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_Equation").

Given the speed with which life appears to have... appeared on Earth, the evidence suggests that "life" is capable of popping up pretty easily under the right circumstances. One sample is not great, but it's all we have so far until we find conclusive proof on Mars, Europa, etc..

There are plenty of planets out there. No reason to suppose some of them aren't habitable.

Given how long it took for multicellular life to evolve here, let alone "intelligent" life, that doesn't seem to be so easy. The amount of time and space needed to produce a life form that produces technology that evolves faster than it does seems to be pretty big, so planets would seem to have to be stable and habitable for a long time to produce intelligent life. As for the problem of interstellar travel, who knows. We could theoretically do it now if we dedicated all our efforts. Presumably, if the human race survives its current travails to colonise other bodies in our solar system in case the Earth becomes uninhabitable, we could do the same thing should our solar system suffer a similar fate.

Obviously, if we do invent some sort of easy way to travel between stars, the first thing we'll need to do is abduct alien redneck farmers and give them anal probes.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: The Angel Raliel on October 16, 2009, 03:54:15 AM
i think it almost inevitable that a fairly large number of planets are inhabited by intelligent life......
even if only one percent of stars in the habitable zone of the milky way galaxy alone, had habitable planets, and one percent of those planets had life, and one percent of those had evolved intelligent life to at least our level of developement, then you could assume that there are several billion inhabited planets in our galaxy..... and hundreds of billions throughout the universe.....one wonders why it is so quiet....perhaps we are deliberately being snubbed.....

here is a scientific article with a less conservative estimate....
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/090219-explanets-life.html
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: McMullet on October 16, 2009, 12:03:05 PM
I think "inevitable" is a strong word. I would say it is likely that a large number of planets have life of some sort, but to expect many, or indeed any, of them to have intelligent life is more of a stretch.

There's a rough guess at how long life has existed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_history_of_life

Assuming we're going with Darwin & Dawkins on the origins of life, the Earth had barely cooled from the impact of whatever formed the moon when life popped up from nowhere and started doing it's thing. Forming mats of ooze. Fun times. Half a billion years later they started photosynthesising. It took another billion or so for the cells to figure out how to stick together and help each other out, which is fairly a prerequisite for intelligence. So that's 1500000000 years, during which conditions need to be fairly stable, before there's even the possibility of intelligence. A supernova in the neighbourhood, changes in solar activity, asteroid impact, global warming, all of these could wipe everything out before it starts. And then it took another billion years before there was anything approaching an animal.

Complex life has been nearly wiped out by short-term problems several times. The fact that that's "nearly" and not "completely" is why we're still here. We were lucky. Equally, the fact that a long-term issue hasn't rendered the Earth uninhabitable is pretty fortunate.

I think the 1% figure for the life:intelligence ratio is unjustified and probably too high.

The chances of a planet being habitable may be high, the chances of life then occurring are probably high, but the chances of that habitability being maintained for long enough are probably not so high. Equally, intelligence obviously doesn't happen very often - the potential has been there for a while. Either it takes this long to arise or it's just a very unlikely trait to occur (the latter seems reasonable, as lugging a huge brain around is not much use in most circumstances).

I would expect life to be common, complex life to be less common, intelligence to be very very rare indeed. As for the technology to visit or contact us - we don't even know if that is possible.

Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Morpheus Laughing on October 16, 2009, 12:41:20 PM
I wonder if there would be tougher and more resilient life if planetary conditions remained consistently harsh. The resilience of some simple life forms found on earth shows us that it is possible. Considering the cost/benefit aspect commonly used to describe the constraints on adaptations, I see no reason why an all round “over-arming” (from the perspective of our milder earth conditions) would not occur. 

Perhaps you would get a lot of life of a type like sponges, which can be shredded to bits and reassemble. Maybe intelligence would stick to the soup because the arms races might never make it to land. Life might evolve to become dormant to survive hash conditions. It’s quite an interesting thought. I wonder what people have speculated about this.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: The Angel Raliel on October 17, 2009, 03:08:29 AM
exobiology has become a very important and respected branch of science in recent years...
on the subject of intelligent life on this planet..... at the current moment in time there are at least 5 seperate species that could be considered truly intelligent.....of which only one has developed technology beyond crafting twigs....surpisingly at least one of those is a direct ancestor of the dinosaurs (crows)

as an aside this is a list of exoplanets (planets that orbit other suns) we have only been able to find them very recently, and as technology advances we will be able to find more and more.....
http://www.planetarybiology.com/exoexplorer_planets/
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: McMullet on October 17, 2009, 11:33:25 AM
I suppose it is very important to define "intelligence". Simply being clever even using tools is of little relevance when it comes to interstellar communications; it is the fact that we are dependent on technology and acquired knowledge that drives us to produce the sort of technology that could (perhaps...) be used for such things.

Dolphins, chimps, crows - they're intelligent but their existence is defined by physical characteristics that allow them to survive directly (e.g., a dolphin's intelligence allows it to make better use of its aquatic agility and echolocation, a woodpecker can catch more food using tools but is capable of surviving without using tools). A technological species such as humans is not only an intelligent tool-user but is dependent on tools - we can't survive without them. Our defining physical characteristics are our capacity to communicate (vocal chords/brain) and make stuff (hands/eyes/brain).

We know that Chimps are pretty close to becoming like us, because we're so closely related. On the other hand, I see no way Dolphins could evolve to become technologically adept, as they have no ability to manipulate objects. Changing a flipper to a hand would make it a worse flipper, and so a disadvantageous change; whereas, our hands were formed for climbing trees and it happens that changing a foot into a tree-climbing appendage also makes a good manufacturing appendage.

For all we know, there may have been many species in the past whose intelligence exceed a dolphin's, but none of them have left any evidence that they made real technology.

It does seem that we could communicate with such a species on another planet (as we can communicate with dolphins, dogs, parrots, apes...) but we'd have to go there to do so.

I would say my criterion for "intelligence" in this context is the need for a species to be more reliant on technology than natural characteristics for survival.

I wonder if there would be tougher and more resilient life if planetary conditions remained consistently harsh. The resilience of some simple life forms found on earth shows us that it is possible. Considering the cost/benefit aspect commonly used to describe the constraints on adaptations, I see no reason why an all round “over-arming” (from the perspective of our milder earth conditions) would not occur. 

Perhaps you would get a lot of life of a type like sponges, which can be shredded to bits and reassemble. Maybe intelligence would stick to the soup because the arms races might never make it to land. Life might evolve to become dormant to survive hash conditions. It’s quite an interesting thought. I wonder what people have speculated about this.


"Harshness" is perhaps the wrong term; these so-called "extremophiles" are naturally adapted to their chosen environments. Living in acidic water at 95 Celsius may seem harsh to you or I, but if you put such a life form in a comfy chair in a nice dry room at 20 degrees it would not be very happy.

We're most comfortable under the conditions we live because we're adapted to them. There's no knowing what conditions alien organisms might find equally comfortable, but if they live in liquid methane at -50 under constant X ray bombardment they'd probably not be very happy here.

What I always wondered is why Cephalopods never became technologically adept, since they're pretty clever and tentacles seem to be pretty dexterous...
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Morpheus Laughing on October 17, 2009, 01:23:06 PM
I suppose it is very important to define "intelligence". Simply being clever even using tools is of little relevance when it comes to interstellar communications; it is the fact that we are dependent on technology and acquired knowledge that drives us to produce the sort of technology that could (perhaps...) be used for such things.

Intelligence is example of a relative concept. It always has to be placed in context. It’s ok to say a species is intelligent providing you provide some criteria to match it to and remain in context. It needn’t be a human criteria. We might not count as “intelligent” on a higher standard from elsewhere etc. But yes, in a sense relevent to what most people would consider intelligent, you would require something of human or above human intelligence.
I wonder if there would be tougher and more resilient life if planetary conditions remained consistently harsh. The resilience of some simple life forms found on earth shows us that it is possible. Considering the cost/benefit aspect commonly used to describe the constraints on adaptations, I see no reason why an all round “over-arming” (from the perspective of our milder earth conditions) would not occur. 

Perhaps you would get a lot of life of a type like sponges, which can be shredded to bits and reassemble. Maybe intelligence would stick to the soup because the arms races might never make it to land. Life might evolve to become dormant to survive hash conditions. It’s quite an interesting thought. I wonder what people have speculated about this.


"Harshness" is perhaps the wrong term; these so-called "extremophiles" are naturally adapted to their chosen environments. Living in acidic water at 95 Celsius may seem harsh to you or I, but if you put such a life form in a comfy chair in a nice dry room at 20 degrees it would not be very happy.

We're most comfortable under the conditions we live because we're adapted to them. There's no knowing what conditions alien organisms might find equally comfortable, but if they live in liquid methane at -50 under constant X ray bombardment they'd probably not be very happy here.

What I always wondered is why Cephalopods never became technologically adept, since they're pretty clever and tentacles seem to be pretty dexterous...

Harshness is the wrong word, true enough, but sometimes I have a tendency to rabble on to cover my back. I mentioned “over-arming"….. Under conditions we find preferable, certain adaptations would superficially look like overkill even though the adaptations performed only just above sufficiently wherever they emerged. Maybe my post failed to demonstrate my understanding.

There will be conditions where happiness (due to lack of self awareness) is unlikely to emerge.  ;D

I can immediately guess at a couple of obvious reasons. Insufficient arms races ( or tentacle races) which is essentially a lack of environmental pressures. And not having the “right” mutations.

I think it’s possible to make a case that animals other than humans are less information motivated; which is to say that the get the information they need but they are not creating many further queries that need answering. Humans on the other hand have solved one problem but have become capable of asking more questions than there are answers. A couple of months ago I read some research that has demonstrated our innate need to acquire information. If an organism has only basic needs and is content once those needs are fulfilled, there is insufficient motivation to do much else. In some respects, human super-curiosity is a bit of a fluke, but not necessarily a fluke that would be impossible elsewhere.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: The Angel Raliel on October 18, 2009, 03:00:46 AM
quite simply... the reason why squid or octopi have not become a tool using mechanistic civilisation is simply that they live in a very stable environment, the only reason we developed the way we did is that we were physically ill equipped to deal with swift environmental changes so we relied on our communication and puzzle solving skills instead.....
I agree that what we must qualify as intelligent life in the universe, must actually be communicative intelligent life...or life sufficiently like us to make interaction meaningful....effectively we are limited to looking for startrek species.....
the Drake Equation is designed for estimating the number of communicative intelligent species in the universe....it has one major flaw.... almost all of its variables are wild guesses at best so the actual answer is somewhat meaningless


http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/SETI/drake_equation.html
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: McMullet on October 18, 2009, 10:41:41 AM
Aye, the definition of intelligence is not meant to be absolute, but just a functional thing for use when looking for aliens - bottom line is, without technology intelligence does not enhance the "detectabilty" of life. Slime is as easy to spot with a spectrometer as dolphins are; radio waves or an actual visit from an alien race essentially just make them easier for us to find.

The Drake equation is not really the answer to how many aliens there are - it's just specifying the question in more detail, as your link says. I think we're getting a good handle on N*, fp and ne, and soon we should have a better estimate of fl, once we've explored Mars and the icy moons of Jupiter a bit more. Fi, fc and fL may be trickier.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Paul Jon on October 18, 2009, 11:03:20 AM
There are questions being conflated here: that there is life on other stellar systems is very likely indeed. That there is intelligent life amongst the various other worlds is quite likely. That does not make it plausible that any of these intelligent life forms are grey men who visit Earth in flying saucers in order to shove things up people's arses or leave enigmatic circular patterns in Herfordshire cornfields at midnight.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: McMullet on October 18, 2009, 01:07:52 PM
I dunno, given all the alien abduction mythology on this planet, if we *do* travel to another planet isn't it a dead cert that someone will, as Douglas Adams put it "...cruise around looking for planets that haven’t made interstellar contact and... land right by some poor unsuspecting soul whom no one’s ever going to believe and then strut up and down in front of him wearing silly antenna on his head and making beep beep noises."?

Aren't the future interstellar explorers going to be X-Files and HHGTTG fans, who'll essentially want to role-play the alien part and stage Roswell-type incidents just for shits and giggles...?
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: The Angel Raliel on October 19, 2009, 03:13:23 AM
as previously stated.... the phenomena we now associate with alien encounters have always existed and have been explained as angels, demons, djinn, faeries, evil spirits etc....we have simply put a new face to them
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Paul Jon on October 21, 2009, 09:35:47 AM
I just noticed this thread is under "Grey Matters"....
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: The Angel Raliel on October 22, 2009, 02:39:54 AM
only just noticed?
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: CeeGBee on December 07, 2009, 10:06:15 PM
Well clearly your government over there in the UK doesn't care about
the alien menace anymore:

Quote
Citing the high costs of operation, the British military has shut down its UFO hotline.

Full story:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34277625/ns/technology_and_science-space/
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Paul Jon on December 08, 2009, 03:45:13 PM
Well clearly your government over there in the UK doesn't care about
the alien menace anymore:
Or at least, that 's what they want us to think...
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: CeeGBee on December 08, 2009, 06:26:06 PM
Well clearly your government over there in the UK doesn't care about
the alien menace anymore:
Or at least, that 's what they want us to think...
Speaking of "them", a couple guys were just here looking for you....

 :glasses7: :glasses7:
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Morpheus Laughing on December 08, 2009, 07:21:07 PM
They call em MIB. {flashlight}
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Devery on December 09, 2009, 07:49:00 AM
They call em MIB. {flashlight}

Last seen in a bar in Harlem, the men in black (John Sayles and David Strathairn), looking for the mute alien "brother" (Joe Morton) where, in synchronized movements and as cool as fish-out-of-water interstellar police can be, slide onto the bar stools and ask for "beer....on the rocks".
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: colordeaf on December 09, 2009, 09:18:14 PM
If scientists found evidence of aliens here on earth they'd report it right away because then they'd never have funding problems again...that goes for NASA. There's no coverup :P
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on December 10, 2009, 01:10:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/KMUhS-S0rGk

I don't speak Norwegian but I am fairly certain that they are saying "What the fuck is that?"

(http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID5182/images/norway_spiral.JPG)

Some people in Norway are claiming this as first contact (I think it is college kids with lasers) What do you think it is?
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: jtaylor on December 10, 2009, 01:38:32 AM
It looks like someone took a photo, photoshopped the spiral in, made a decent quality print, stuck it on the wall, and filmed it.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on December 10, 2009, 06:22:07 AM
It looks like someone took a photo, photoshopped the spiral in, made a decent quality print, stuck it on the wall, and filmed it.

I thought that as well at first but too many people actually saw it.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Devery on December 10, 2009, 01:37:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/KMUhS-S0rGk

I don't speak Norwegian but I am fairly certain that they are saying "What the fuck is that?"

(http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID5182/images/norway_spiral.JPG)

Some people in Norway are claiming this as first contact (I think it is college kids with lasers) What do you think it is?

Just your basic hellmouth; nothing to be alarmed about.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: CeeGBee on December 10, 2009, 03:12:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/KMUhS-S0rGk

I don't speak Norwegian but I am fairly certain that they are saying "What the fuck is that?"

(http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID5182/images/norway_spiral.JPG)

Some people in Norway are claiming this as first contact (I think it is college kids with lasers) What do you think it is?

Just your basic hellmouth; nothing to be alarmed about.
oh...  waitaminute....  I just thought of something....

How far is this from that supercollider thing that's gonna collapse the whole world into
a speck the size of a grain of sand?   :o

I bet that cone-thingy points straight to Switzerland...
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Pope Totalfrog on December 10, 2009, 05:34:13 PM
Apparently it is an experimental Russian missile spinning out of control. At least that is the official explanation.   :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: CeeGBee on December 10, 2009, 11:36:11 PM
Apparently it is an experimental Russian missile spinning out of control. At least that is the official explanation.   :coolsmiley:
Funny thing that....  The old Soviet/Russian submarine-launched-ballistic-missile (SLBM)
works just fine, but the subs that can carry it are all too old to keep fixing; the new sub
is supposed to be incredible, but it can't carry the old missile, and the new missile has
failed in over half of the test-launches to date.

I still think it's the Large Hadron Collider sucking us into a parallel dimension.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Kenny Wisdom on December 11, 2009, 05:02:26 AM
Nigella can suck me into a parallel dimension anyday.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Indja on December 11, 2009, 09:04:40 AM
You're all so silly. Of course aliens exist. "Doctor Who" is a documentary.



Fuck I wish that were true.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: CeeGBee on December 11, 2009, 12:16:09 PM
You're all so silly. Of course aliens exist. "Doctor Who" is a documentary.



Fuck I wish that were true.
You do realize it actually originated as "educational" material, right?
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Indja on December 11, 2009, 03:48:43 PM
You're all so silly. Of course aliens exist. "Doctor Who" is a documentary.



Fuck I wish that were true.
You do realize it actually originated as "educational" material, right?

...I did not. I did just find my favourite quote ever, from someone talking about the violence in Doctor Who. They said it was "sired by a horse-laugh out of a nightmare". Cool beans.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: CeeGBee on December 11, 2009, 08:19:46 PM
You're all so silly. Of course aliens exist. "Doctor Who" is a documentary.



Fuck I wish that were true.
You do realize it actually originated as "educational" material, right?

...I did not. I did just find my favourite quote ever, from someone talking about the violence in Doctor Who. They said it was "sired by a horse-laugh out of a nightmare". Cool beans.

Quote from: Wikipedia
The programme was intended to be educational and for family viewing on the early Saturday
evening schedule.   Initially, it alternated stories set in the past,  which taught  younger
audience members about history, with stories set either in the future or in outer space to
teach them about science. This was also reflected in the Doctor's original companions, one
of whom was a science teacher and another a history teacher.

The full entry is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Indja on December 12, 2009, 12:44:47 PM
Aces! Well, when I make it, there'll be none of that boring history and science guff - just good ol' fashioned homoerotic undertones. :love5:
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: cynthiaskeezy on April 08, 2010, 02:36:17 PM
I change my opinion. I don't know what to believe. I'm confused.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: Breschau on April 08, 2010, 05:14:35 PM
Given the size of the universe, and the time span it's existed over (and will exist over), it seems pretty much inevitable to me that there'd be alien life out there somewhere at some point besides that which has developed here on Earth.

However, given the size of the universe, and the time span it's existed over (and will exist over), it seems to me that "incredibly unlikely" doesn't even begin to convey just how unlikely it would be that such life would exist, be spacefaring, and have found and travelled to Earth during the ridiculously brief period humans have been around.
Title: Re: Aliens
Post by: The Angel Raliel on April 09, 2010, 02:59:22 AM
most of the evidence  for alien encounters would hint at something much closer to home than extra-terrestrial.... they share many features with supernatural encounters recorded throughout history (including the visitations to joan of arc and the visions at lourdes) and if not entirely an internal projection.... may well be to do with something that is as much native to earth as we are.....even in modern sightings, the simple fact that the "aliens seem to not need environment suits, are seen to eat and biologically interact with humans suggests that they are not extraterrestrial at all.... personally I think that whatever it is, is actively glamoured by the imaginations of the viewers.... the reality obscured by illusion