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Re: help with my womens studies project
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2009, 06:14:52 PM »

Maybe you would have preferred my original short answers...

1. What is feminism?
“A political, cultural or economic movement aimed at establishing more rights and legal protection for women. Feminism involves political and sociological theories and philosophies concerned with issues of gender difference, as well as a movement that advocates more gender-specific rights for women and campaigns for women's rights and interests.”

That is the wikipedia overview and that’s my basic understanding. It becomes more complicated when you look at what these issues mean. The goals of Feminism remain relatively consistent (at least consistent enough to lend coherence to the definition of feminism) but as with most political issues, the priorities are not always the same and the proposed methods for attaining results vary considerably.

2. Are you a feminist? Why or why not?

Sort of. It depends which feminist definition is being used. Some say a male cannot be feminist and can only be counted as a pro-feminist. Other definitions say talk is cheap, and that you have to actively be a feminist on a political level.

There is a basic level of “feminism” that many modern people can attain just by not resorting to using stereotypes. I can do that and not purely just to be politically correct... even so, is that sufficient enough to be counted as actual feminism/pro-feminism? It’s more than some people who claim to favour equality can manage. Is claiming to favour equality sufficient? Quite a lot of people (men and women) will occasionally slip-up in the logic department and (perhaps accidentally) undermine women with their ingrained prejudices. Even so, there are many people in this category who would not be opposed to a basic uncomplicated feminism and would even support it. It’s a question of what is a minimally sufficient requirement. How far do people have to move beyond the Zeitgeist that is the call for equality? If certain oblivious thought processes are sexist, can people believe that they are a feminist whilst unwittingly acting to the contrary?

Politically I am sometimes feminist/pro-feminist but it’s messy to explain. I don't like to see anyone have a hard time, so feminist issues are almost always relevant. However, there are some feminist issues that certain classes of feminists aren’t aware of or are less concerned about (perhaps they care but not enough). One of the issues (certainly not the only one) is the disproportionate amount of women in poverty globally. In the same way that guys aren’t as effected by the problems women experience as women are, there are many people who are not very concerned about the problems women from afar experience. It’s easy to say it’s bad but that would only be “all talk, no action” and perhaps even hypocrisy if our consumer behaviour props up some oppressive activity that we otherwise say we disapprove of. So you can see that personal inconstancies and weaknesses might run contrary to certain definitions of feminism. Someplace along the line I’d be inconsistent. So the other issue is how consistent do your principles have to be to count?

3. How would you define sex and gender?

Sex is biological & gender is more about perceptions of sex and what can be inferred by behaviours. Gender is also the word that prudes use on their application forms when they can’t bring themselves to write SEX. (Just read a little bit of CeeGBee, and for this question, the point made on this question is applicable to my understanding also. SEX was traditionally a male and female designation but it is far more complicated than that. It's a cracked definition.)

4. Do you believe in equality for women and men? Why or why not?

My general answer is yes but it depends on what you mean by equality. There are pitfalls in standardising anything. Workable equality requires flexibility and common sense. Worthwhile equality would involve removing the barriers that people face in achieving what they want from life whilst acknowledging that they might still make traditional choices.
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Re: help with my womens studies project
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2009, 09:37:24 AM »

1.   What is feminism? - Femenism, in my opinion, is the belief in total equality between men and women, in which one sex is not viewed as superior (because, in order for one of them to be superior, there has to be subordination as well).
2.   Are you a feminist? Why or why not? - Yes, I am a feminist. I live in the middle east, so I get a lot of shit for telling the muslim girls in my classes things that are considered 'wrong' here. For example, if they don't want to do stuff with their boyfriends then they shouldn't let themselves be pressured into it. Women here are treated pretty well, but that's because they are viewed as somewhat helpless and the muslim view on it all is that everyone should be treated fairly, which does not necessarily mean equally. While this is sometimes really good, it can bar off opportunities for girls especially in family disputes (a younger boy will get educational preference if the family has limited means etc). On the other hand, if I'm going to a party or something, guys there will take care of me. Once I was really drunk (everyone here drinks over weekends cause theres no age) and some guy cam eup to me and asked to dance. I said yes, and he started got really touchy (his hands were UP my dress). I was trying to push him off but he just kept on pulling me in. An arab guy from my school walked past and saw what was happening, so he pretended to be my brother and said he would beat him up (thats how things work here). Like, although it seems kind of strange, it was really so good that this guy i don't know very well helped me out.
3.   How would you define sex and gender? -Gender is something biological. It's pre-determined before birth and, personally, i don't think it should be changed. They're not really a 'woman' or 'man'. They're paying to have themselves "ripped up" (to quote the Dolls)… Sorry got a bit off-topic there...
4.   Do you believe in equality for women and men? Why or why not? Yes. I think that men and women should get equal treatment, taking into account physical capabilities though. For example, in Canada they barred a lot of women out from the infantry in the military by standardizing it across the board. This means that very few women could be in the infantry. But in general, people should be treated the same. Honestly though (no offense to any self-proclaimed western feminists), but people in america who think women are treated badly where they are from should try going to india sometime. After a woman's husband dies, she is pressured into THROWING herself onto his burning funeral pyre, and if she doesn't ten she is not a dutiful widow and is abandoned by her kids and community. Try comparing taht to the 'glass ceiling'
Anywho—thanks for reading this if you didn’t, then thanks for letting me rant <3
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Re: help with my womens studies project
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2009, 10:00:57 AM »

2.   Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
Yes and no. I am a strong woman, but I do eventually want to be a homemaker. A feminist homemaker sounds like an oxymoron, but I don't think it has to be.

THANKYOU. I tell people I'm a femenist, but still plan on getting married and having kids one day and they look at me like I'm crazy. Femenism is about choice- women shouldn't be penalized for choosing to pursue a career rather than having a family and visaversa.
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Re: help with my womens studies project
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2009, 10:54:52 AM »

2.   Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
Yes and no. I am a strong woman, but I do eventually want to be a homemaker. A feminist homemaker sounds like an oxymoron, but I don't think it has to be.

THANKYOU. I tell people I'm a femenist, but still plan on getting married and having kids one day and they look at me like I'm crazy. Femenism is about choice- women shouldn't be penalized for choosing to pursue a career rather than having a family and visaversa.


This rant probably needs editing but key points.
2 working parents=damaging for children
Hardcore feminists giving women who want to be Mums shit=Fucksticks


What does my head in is that the world has developed this [everyone should work] mentality
and so we have feral kids who have had little parental time because the people who are supposed to be bringing them up to be semi-decent adults are too busy having careers to pay extortionate mortgages, bills etc etc
The family unit has been destroyed.

This means no one [mum or dad] can do the classic homemaker role. Which is a shame because my mum did that until I was 10 or so then worked part-time/uni before she got sick. As her son, I have to say I had on of the happiest childhoods you could imagine. All because I had someone with lots of free time for me and my siblings and not juggling it between a career job.

Let women be mums if they want to be, let dads be dads if they want to be but meh as far as I am concerned mums are best at bringing up kids. Dads are good at other aspects of upbringing

To hell with hardcore feminists who give mothers homemakers shit.

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Re: help with my womens studies project
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2009, 10:56:28 AM »

1.  what is feminism?

a political term for women's rights activists.

2. are you a feminist?  why or why not?

no, i am not a feminist.  'feminism' didn't work, or we would have an ERA.  i am a female supremacist.

3.  how would you define sex and gender?

sex is the act of copulation, whether between opposite or same-sex couples or groups.  it also means whether a person is male or female, physically.  gender is the typical idea of sex roles, whether used on the 'proper' sex or no.  lately, gender lines have been both blurring and are traded back and forth between sexes somewhat in order to self-define and accept.  it will be interesting to see what comes of more gender expression, with acceptance.

4.  do you believe in equality for men and women?  why or why not?

i believe in political equality, but there are many ways men and women are not equals, especially in the areas women are traditionally compared to men.  as far as women in combat, it will never fully happen, and the reason, although they can tell you all day it's this or that, is that women have been tried on front infantry lines before, both alone and in troops.  it's not because the men break ranks to protect them or anything (not if they are trained, anyway)--it's because women commit war crimes in combat, plain and simple.  they are wired to lose their composure in a situation like live combat or capture, and they were too shockingly vicious (castrating and the like) for their superior officers to even comprehend, much less rein in.  they won't be trying that again soon.
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Re: help with my womens studies project
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2009, 10:59:00 AM »

i'll try and answer later, it's all very interesting.

when you're on the hompage of the board, this thread is mentioned as ''help with my womens'' XD so gangsta! :D
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Re: help with my womens studies project
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2009, 05:26:30 PM »

2.   Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
Yes and no. I am a strong woman, but I do eventually want to be a homemaker. A feminist homemaker sounds like an oxymoron, but I don't think it has to be.

THANKYOU. I tell people I'm a femenist, but still plan on getting married and having kids one day and they look at me like I'm crazy. Femenism is about choice- women shouldn't be penalized for choosing to pursue a career rather than having a family and visaversa.


This rant probably needs editing but key points.
2 working parents=damaging for children
Hardcore feminists giving women who want to be Mums shit=Fucksticks


What does my head in is that the world has developed this [everyone should work] mentality
and so we have feral kids who have had little parental time because the people who are supposed to be bringing them up to be semi-decent adults are too busy having careers to pay extortionate mortgages, bills etc etc
The family unit has been destroyed.

This means no one [mum or dad] can do the classic homemaker role. Which is a shame because my mum did that until I was 10 or so then worked part-time/uni before she got sick. As her son, I have to say I had on of the happiest childhoods you could imagine. All because I had someone with lots of free time for me and my siblings and not juggling it between a career job.

Let women be mums if they want to be, let dads be dads if they want to be but meh as far as I am concerned mums are best at bringing up kids. Dads are good at other aspects of upbringing

To hell with hardcore feminists who give mothers homemakers shit.
QFT.

1. What is feminism?
A failed movement from the 70's.

2. Are you a feminist?
I am a woman who does what she wants, when she wants to. I don't answer to any man and I make my own choices. I am also a housewife. What I do isn't considered to be empowering to women and I have been told by many 'feminists' that this means I have sold out the sisterhood.

3. How would you define sex and gender?
Sex is between the legs. Gender is in the head.

4. Do you believe in equality for men and women?
Why do we have to be equal? We are so different that trying to make us the same seems just about impossible. I don't think men should be able to tell women what to do with their lives but women shouldn't be able to tell men how to live theirs either.

Feminism has made what I do seem worthless. I do not see that as a win for women. It is a gigantic loss. Most men I know appreciate how hard I work it feels like I am always being made to feel like I should justify my choices to women. Most feminist debate seems to be women fighting each other about who is better, the woman who works or the woman who does not - it has nothing to do with giving women the freedom to live as they choose any more.

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Re: help with my womens studies project
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2009, 03:35:04 PM »

Feminism has made what I do seem worthless. I do not see that as a win for women. It is a gigantic loss. Most men I know appreciate how hard I work it feels like I am always being made to feel like I should justify my choices to women. Most feminist debate seems to be women fighting each other about who is better, the woman who works or the woman who does not - it has nothing to do with giving women the freedom to live as they choose any more.
...but if you didn't do what you do, whose daughters would the radical feminists try to
indoctrinate, since they were too busy furthering the cause and asserting their equality
with any man to have kids?
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Re: help with my womens studies project
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2009, 04:55:07 PM »

Feminism has made what I do seem worthless. I do not see that as a win for women. It is a gigantic loss. Most men I know appreciate how hard I work it feels like I am always being made to feel like I should justify my choices to women. Most feminist debate seems to be women fighting each other about who is better, the woman who works or the woman who does not - it has nothing to do with giving women the freedom to live as they choose any more.
...but if you didn't do what you do, whose daughters would the radical feminists try to
indoctrinate, since they were too busy furthering the cause and asserting their equality
with any man to have kids?

I have used this argument many times. They can't argue against it.  >:D
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Re: help with my womens studies project
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2009, 05:28:02 PM »

1. What is feminism?
"organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests"
Thats the definition from merriam-websters website, and I stand by it. I think that this is what feminism is in its simplest form, but as people have said here feminism isn't simple. Lots of people see it in different ways, and lots of feminists stand for different things. I honestly think that the majority get a bad rep from the few very radical feminists.

2. Are you a feminist?
I am a feminist, in the fact that I believe that there are still rights that women don't have and deserve. I don't think that that means women have to go into the work force. I know successful feminists who are homemakers, and I'm proud of them. I do believe that women have been oppressed for a long time, longer than people often realize, and deserve to make their own choices and be given the opportunity to fairly compete against their male counterparts.

3. How would you define sex and gender?
Sex what we are physically and Gender is what we know we are in our hearts.

4. Do you believe in equality for men and women?
Men and women are different, there is no denying that. But we aren't so different that we don't deserve the same human rights and chances. There will always be situations where there isn't going to be complete equality, due to our reproductive roles, but that doesnt mean that women have to feel subjugated in other parts of their lives.

I believe that other women should have the right to be who they want to be. Whether that means they want to be a CEO, a performer, a scientist, or a homemaker, I don't want them to feel at a disadvantage because they are a woman.

I think that often when we talk about feminism, we keep it in the context of the western world. Our history, our women. But, when it all boils down to it, this is a worldwide problem. Women are targeted throughout the world with sexually fueled crimes. I think the world needs to change, protect and empower it's mothers, daughters and sisters. That is why I am a feminist.
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Re: help with my womens studies project
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2009, 06:47:19 PM »

Feminism has made what I do seem worthless. I do not see that as a win for women. It is a gigantic loss. Most men I know appreciate how hard I work it feels like I am always being made to feel like I should justify my choices to women. Most feminist debate seems to be women fighting each other about who is better, the woman who works or the woman who does not - it has nothing to do with giving women the freedom to live as they choose any more.
...but if you didn't do what you do, whose daughters would the radical feminists try to
indoctrinate, since they were too busy furthering the cause and asserting their equality
with any man to have kids?

in the words of a placard held by protesting 'lesbian avengers'............WE RECRUIT.
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« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2009, 07:11:27 PM »

Feminism has made what I do seem worthless. I do not see that as a win for women. It is a gigantic loss. Most men I know appreciate how hard I work it feels like I am always being made to feel like I should justify my choices to women. Most feminist debate seems to be women fighting each other about who is better, the woman who works or the woman who does not - it has nothing to do with giving women the freedom to live as they choose any more.
...but if you didn't do what you do, whose daughters would the radical feminists try to
indoctrinate, since they were too busy furthering the cause and asserting their equality
with any man to have kids?

in the words of a placard held by protesting 'lesbian avengers'............WE RECRUIT.
;D Can't argue with that.

To be honest though it does seem to be the straight radical feminists that I know that have more of a problem with my housewifery. I think they may just be jealous of my awesomeness (and the fact that I had the guts to say no to money and yes to being happy).
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« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2009, 11:32:23 PM »

Feminism has made what I do seem worthless. I do not see that as a win for women. It is a gigantic loss. Most men I know appreciate how hard I work it feels like I am always being made to feel like I should justify my choices to women. Most feminist debate seems to be women fighting each other about who is better, the woman who works or the woman who does not - it has nothing to do with giving women the freedom to live as they choose any more.
...but if you didn't do what you do, whose daughters would the radical feminists try to
indoctrinate, since they were too busy furthering the cause and asserting their equality
with any man to have kids?
in the words of a placard held by protesting 'lesbian avengers'............WE RECRUIT.

...and yet, even there, a fair number of lesbians go to the trouble of becoming (through a modified
version of the traditional biological process, not just by adoption) "mommies", despite that process
being made substantially more difficult by the need to circumvent the 'typical' role of a male in the
working.
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Re: help with my womens studies project
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2009, 03:56:50 PM »

1.   What is feminism?
2.   Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
3.   How would you define sex and gender?
4.   Do you believe in equality for women and men? Why or why not?
I don't know who is supposed to answer these questions, but I will anyway - however, be warned that I am male, foreign and probably older than your dad...
1. Whose feminism? This has become too vague a term. It is not possible to say precisely, and so people will resort to dictionaries, etc.
2. See above - in order to answer, it would be necessary to have the definition.
3. Sex is the state of being male or female (or other) whereas gender is a term used in grammar.
4. Yes. Since I believe in equality generally, not believing in sexual equality would be logically inconsistent.

To be honest though it does seem to be the straight radical feminists that I know that have more of a problem with my housewifery.
Thank you for not using that horrible Reagan-Bush era euphemism "homemaker". Did you know the export of euphemisms has accounted for 11% of US GDP since 1990? And that 84% of statistics are made up on the spot?
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Re: help with my womens studies project
« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2009, 04:39:18 PM »

Feminism has made what I do seem worthless. I do not see that as a win for women. It is a gigantic loss. Most men I know appreciate how hard I work it feels like I am always being made to feel like I should justify my choices to women. Most feminist debate seems to be women fighting each other about who is better, the woman who works or the woman who does not - it has nothing to do with giving women the freedom to live as they choose any more.
...but if you didn't do what you do, whose daughters would the radical feminists try to
indoctrinate, since they were too busy furthering the cause and asserting their equality
with any man to have kids?
in the words of a placard held by protesting 'lesbian avengers'............WE RECRUIT.

...and yet, even there, a fair number of lesbians go to the trouble of becoming (through a modified
version of the traditional biological process, not just by adoption) "mommies", despite that process
being made substantially more difficult by the need to circumvent the 'typical' role of a male in the
working.

well sure, of course, because there is no accounting for tastes, by which i only, of course, mean to illuminate that i am not the maternal-child-rearing-ever-capable lesbianic type, but rather the adult-child-center-of-my-own-universe type.  hence that whole unpleasant process, by whichever means it is achieved, not occurring to me so often.
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