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gaga, palmer, madonna - a uke vlog.
« on: December 18, 2009, 03:55:06 AM »

i was going to write a whole blog...i even had a draft that i wrote down in florida.

but this was better: i made a song.
if i never post that blog, i'll throw it onto the gaga thread i know is kicking around here somewhere.

ArrrrrrrrrrrrrRT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dxDREaCyjE

lyrics (more or less)


she's a part of the music continuum she's a part of this difficult world and she wears outfits made of aluminium
she is a 23 she is a 23 she is a 23 and a half old girl

i am part of the music continuum i am part of this difficult world
i'm sometimes naked and play the accordioni am a 33 i am a 33 i am a 33 and half year old girl

she is a part of the music continuum she is a part of this difficult world
she was the first one to often have no clothes on
she is not 53 she's only 50 but i used her anyway cause she fits well in this song

art is great that way you can do anything you can make dance music you can paint ducks but once you make art you are subject to criticism
and if you're a pop artist and you're a woman then its much more  likey that people will say your art sucks

making pop music isn't for everyone -well actually that's wrong it techinically is
thats why it's pop music now i've confused myself -i'm going to start a new verse and i;ll say it like this
 
some artists focus on love and simplicity -some artists focus on fashion and fame
then sometimes some artists try to do everything
which is impossible i think those people are brave

art is so simple just ask andy warholif he weren't dead he would tell you truth
call it a masterpiece call it a urinal it does not matter it's art so there's nothing to prove
im not sure what the point of this song was
and-i Know this song doesn't actually have to
have any point at all or even good rhymes in it
like lady gaga and also madonna i'm just trying to entertain people, make a living,
pay my rent without having to have a job i hate and  hopefully find an audience who will love & accept me and not think i'm a narcissist for wanting to be 
a performer and find true inner peace and thats all.

now a question to further our diologue
is all art real art and pop art art?
and if someone talented wants to make pop music
why should we worry when there's so much other shit wrong?

this song took less time to write and record
and post straight onto youtube than writing a blog
i think it's possible i will do more of these
please send your comments especially if you think i'm wrong








 


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Re: gaga, palmer, madonna - a uke vlog.
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2009, 04:10:46 AM »

All art is art. It comes down to the individual whether they like it or not. Just because millions of individuals all like something does not mean it is any less arty than something appreciated by only a few.

(Still can't stand Gaga - Pokerface is one of the most irritating songs I have ever heard.)
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2009, 04:19:25 AM »

art is strife
art is life
art is the passing of a kitchen knife

art is food
art is rude
art is the wearing of a nylon hoood!
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Re: gaga, palmer, madonna - a uke vlog.
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2009, 04:41:32 AM »

Basically I agree. Amanda Palmer is often naked…

But seriously, I do agree with the song…

I like the vlog. Good if it cuts down the labouring. I still like blogs more but I think that replacing a few with vlogs would be a good kind of variation.
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2009, 05:04:28 AM »

The problem for me is when 'art' becomes carefully devised, cash-cow product.

A true artist should not be concerned with monetary wealth in my opinion.
They should seek to display their art but not become so full of their themselves and their monetary successes surrounded by sycophants that their work is not challenged or pushed further.

An artist can only be truly creative when faced with hardship.

quick music example - U2, early album: 'War' compared to the last 15 years worth of poop they've shipped out.

music lifecycle: early work first tour, gather fanbase and hopefully signed, exposure to mass media, tour, album, tour, album, tour, experimental album, stale failure 3 years of uninspired albums, rehab, staleness and re releases/reality tv shows, death

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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2009, 05:50:29 AM »

The problem for me is when 'art' becomes carefully devised, cash-cow product.
I was responding to this line but I think you added to it...

Ah. I can sort of see that. If you can except the “I see, I like, I buy” line of thinking it’s less of a problem, but I can also see that it is possible to use art  (like all things) as a sort-of guilt-tripping tool. I.e. People want to behave consistently and want to show support for someone/something they like and they will buy stuff to maintain this idea about themselves. The problem is that this happens even when the purchaser genuinely likes the art. Those who do not see the subjective appeal might perceive the arrangement to be a manipulation.

In the long term it’s probably better to learn to have awareness about when you are susceptible to this psychological effect. People ultimately have to take responsibility for their own decisions.   

A true artist should not be concerned with monetary wealth in my opinion.
They should seek to display their art but not become so full of their themselves and their monetary successes surrounded by sycophants that their work is not challenged or pushed further.

An artist can only be truly creative when faced with hardship.
I suppose you could ask the question, “does monetary concern show in the art?” The answer is, yes sometimes, but can you prove a negative? If something has the appearance of not being motivated by monetary concerns + is also a good work of art, would that mean that it was under no circumstances motivated by money?

I also think that it’s possible to experience other types of hardship, some of which the artist’s audience will relate to more than others. If your life has a lot of stuff going on in it that your audience can’t relate to, they are not going to think much of the art that is inspired by it.
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Re: gaga, palmer, madonna - a uke vlog.
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2009, 06:23:11 AM »

Love the vlog idea and I love the song and it's sentiment but I will never find any appeal in GaGa. Don't get my wrong I love some pop music, it's a guilty pleasure of mine, maybe if I listened to a full album if hers I would like it, but what I have heard doesn't sound like "art" to me, it sounds completely manufactured without much more behind it than the desire to make money.

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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2009, 06:37:00 AM »

this song is so kimya dawson
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Re: gaga, palmer, madonna - a uke vlog.
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2009, 07:10:05 AM »

That was the best possible way to start a day ever.

But yes.
In my view all art is art.
And some stuff that isn't art is art too.
We don't get to decide.
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2009, 08:40:26 AM »

this was the best thing to wake up to. thank you, afp!
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2009, 08:51:37 AM »

so awesome.  i like the idea of an occasional video song blog, because that was fun.

A true artist should not be concerned with monetary wealth in my opinion.

i see where you're coming from, and do agree that a lot of good art can come from hardship, however, it's just not realistic to find someone, no matter how simply they live, who isn't at least a little concerned with monetary wealth.

everybody's gotta live, you know?  and that isn't free.  so if you want to be an artist as your career, you need to make sure you'll make money for it.

Yes, I agree, maybe I should elaborate with some more blahing.
An artist who follows the money primarily will produce soulless work
sure it might be catchy and designed to appeal to the masses but in the end it is throwaway.
However an artist who does it out of love and the desire to give something of lasting worth to others=WIN in my opinion.

Now while I am sure Amanda isn't living off the Tesco beans yet (or American equivalent)
she does need money to tour/release Albums etc.
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GAGA on the other hand does not seem to have these concerns

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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2009, 08:58:15 AM »

I DIDN'T SAY THAT STOP TWISTING MY WORDS OR I'LL BARRICADE THE DOORS SHUT AND YOU WONT BE ABLE TO GET INTO YOUR OWN HOUSE AND YOU'LL HAVE TO STAY OUT IN THE COLD I AM REALLY THAT TIRED OF IT.
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2009, 09:02:26 AM »

I DIDN'T SAY THAT STOP TWISTING MY WORDS OR I'LL BARRICADE THE DOORS SHUT AND YOU WONT BE ABLE TO GET INTO YOUR OWN HOUSE AND YOU'LL HAVE TO STAY OUT IN THE COLD I AM REALLY THAT TIRED OF IT.

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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2009, 09:07:08 AM »

Apology accepted.
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2009, 09:55:42 AM »

I think the term “disposable” might be a bit of a misnomer or a half-truth. Music might get shoved aside for new things, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it is entirely disposed of. I’ve got a few friends that like pop and I’ll periodically catch them listening to stuff that others (years before) dubbed disposable. It still interests them and is of some worth to their lives.

As for the soul of music: Could that just be a prejudicial term we ascribe to the types of music we value? The music I like lacks the qualities that people look for in pop. People have said to me; “where are the beats? I can’t dance to this. This is too discordant” and so on. My favourite music tends not to have "the feel" they want and so from their perspective it is lacking something.
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