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Re: gaga, palmer, madonna - a uke vlog.
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2009, 10:07:13 AM »

I love some pop music, but it's nothing ground breaking and amazing as some people including Lady GaGa herself seem to think it is. I feel like it's souless and created solely for financial benefits.

That may or may not be the case, but because she is so "over exposed" and on every radio station in the country, she's reaching people that perhaps the artists with "souls" may not be able to reach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1QYXHzgRw4

I personally don't care if she has a soul or not. I do not feel that I'm in a position in my life to judge anyone else. I enjoy her music. I also have a soft spot for early Brittany Spears.

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« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2009, 11:53:22 AM »

Yes, I agree, maybe I should elaborate with some more blahing.
An artist who follows the money primarily will produce soulless work
sure it might be catchy and designed to appeal to the masses but in the end it is throwaway.
I wish this were true, but it isn't: Mozart followed the money all his life. All of Conan-Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories were written in order to be serialised in magazines. Many Motown classics were written to deadlines in a lyrical production line environment. If you can fake sincerity, as the saying goes...
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Re: gaga, palmer, madonna - a uke vlog.
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2009, 12:16:19 PM »

I do not consider the majority of musicians to be 'Artists' but all to be 'musicians'
however music with art elements/concepts and themes incorporated into the music/stageshow
makes those that create such works an artist/musician hybrid in my opinion.

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« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2009, 03:02:14 PM »

I love this thread and vlog. 

I'm reminded of the other day when I had an argument with my kid over pop music not being 'art'... That yes, it is fun and catchy but created by a bunch of people just trying to make a buck, blah blah blah blah commercialism /noise.  Her response was, "But mom, I like it.  Why are you trying to ruin it for me."  Wholly crap!  Why was I?  I've always figured art being something that evoked an emotion, good-bad... whatever.  If it is making her happy and others, then why am I being a hater about it?  I blame art school... ruined my perspective.  Heh... btw, I apologized and told her she was right.  And plus, I love Lady Gaga. 

In response to the lyrics... I do however think Amanda is a bit of a narcissist.  I don't think that is such a bad thing though.  I don't see how you can be an entertainer and not be narcissistic .  I may be wrong.   But it takes confidence and self love to get up there in front of so many people.  Is that a bad thing?  I've always thought Amanda embraces her narcissism in a positive way.  Its  not the first time she has brought it up in a blog... It's ok to be rad and know it.  She is still humble and human.  I think that it is refreshing.
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« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2009, 03:52:30 PM »

Most people have narcissistic traits and this sort-of becomes a base line we acclimatise to. The type of narcissism you picked up on is certainly not bad to have in moderation, but given that narcissism is taboo (because we only tend to notice it in cases of the extreme), it is understandable that people would want to recast the traits in positive light and leave the term "narcissism" for the vulgar cases of those traits.


A related question I have: is entertainment art?

Just remembered this comment after briefly catching a glimpse of a book-marked interview entitled “Literature Is Entertainment or It Is Nothing.” Art is a form of entertainment, but not all entertainment is art. Entertainment can be very mundane and I don’t think art can really be as unobtrusive as -say- some simple ways of passing time. Once something is designated as art it has stepped up a notch. For instance, looking at the shapes in clouds on a bus ride home is a form of entertainment. I’m not sure it would be possible to call it art unless some other factor was introduced.
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« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2009, 08:17:47 PM »

An artist can only be truly creative when faced with hardship.

quick music example - U2, early album: 'War' compared to the last 15 years worth of poop they've shipped out.


as a) the 'Box's resident U2 fanatic and b) old enough to remember when War was released, I can tell you that there were many, many shouts and accusations of "sellout" aimed U2's way when War came out.

just thought I'd drop that in there.

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« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2009, 08:48:19 PM »

this song is so kimya dawson
I'm feeling that too.

Buttt I LOVE this song!!
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« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2009, 10:33:55 PM »

An artist can only be truly creative when faced with hardship.

quick music example - U2, early album: 'War' compared to the last 15 years worth of poop they've shipped out.


as a) the 'Box's resident U2 fanatic and b) old enough to remember when War was released, I can tell you that there were many, many shouts and accusations of "sellout" aimed U2's way when War came out.

just thought I'd drop that in there.

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Re: gaga, palmer, madonna - a uke vlog.
« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2009, 11:38:26 PM »

Good lord.
There is so much Lady GaGa on this forum at the moment that it's making my face hurt.

I don't get it. She's just a pop star who doesn't like to wear pants. I don't hate her, and I don't bag out on other people for liking her. She just.....is.


In conclusion, I would like to say, Lady GaGa's publicist deserves a massive christmas bonus this year!

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« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2009, 11:47:00 PM »

I think that the fact so many people seem to be discussing her... not just here, but in general... and her merits, means something. I mean... if she were just a hack, why would we be talking about if she is/isn't talented so much?

Just a thought.
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« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2009, 12:00:29 AM »

I think that the fact so many people seem to be discussing her... not just here, but in general... and her merits, means something. I mean... if she were just a hack, why would we be talking about if she is/isn't talented so much?

Just a thought.

EXACTLY!!!
i feel like people are failing to realize that THIS is what the beauty of all this discussion is....the fact that there are so many people pulling their hair out over her, not being able to make up their minds. she is making people THINK.
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« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2009, 12:21:16 AM »

But, and this is just my opinion, it didn't seem that GaGa was really discussed on this forum until there was a Dresden Dolls/Amanda Palmer link. Then pretty much everyone had an opinion how talented or awful they thought she was.
I'm pretty sure if Mandy Moore had the Dolls listed as one of her influences on her Myspace page, there would be another 29 page thread discussing weather Amanda should throw in a cover of "Candy" at her NYE show.

I think more people are likely to start forming an opinion on somebody once they know there is common link between them, and something else they love
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« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2009, 12:30:57 AM »

But, and this is just my opinion, it didn't seem that GaGa was really discussed on this forum until there was a Dresden Dolls/Amanda Palmer link. Then pretty much everyone had an opinion how talented or awful they thought she was.
I'm pretty sure if Mandy Moore had the Dolls listed as one of her influences on her Myspace page, there would be another 29 page thread discussing weather Amanda should throw in a cover of "Candy" at her NYE show.

I think more people are likely to start forming an opinion on somebody once they know there is common link between them, and something else they love

I would agree, except that I was referring to the world at large. I have heard the "is Lady Gaga talented/worth listening to/interesting" discussion among different groups of friends, and have even heard complete strangers discussing it. Sure, Amanda ultimately struck up the discussion here.... but, this is a DD/AFP forum, so of course she'd probably have influence over the fact that we're discussing Gaga. I just wanted to clear up what I meant.
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« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2009, 02:23:36 AM »

I actually don't hear Lady GaGa get talked about all that much. The only time I see her mentioned is on here, or on some trashy gossip website. But when I do here anything about her, it's not about her music at all, it's debating whether or not she has a penis, or her complete lack of clothing, etc.
If you go by the logic of "how talented you are = the amount of people that talk about you", Paris Hilton is one of the most talented people in the world.

I think Lady GaGa is a smart woman. Her music is no different to any other pop star going around, but she's getting her name out there. She is the new Marilyn Manson, and fucking kudos to both of them for being able to pull it off
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« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2009, 03:14:29 AM »

It bugs me when people get down on Lady Gaga for being a pop artist. She is a very talented musician, as one can see from her early stuff and acoustic covers of her songs. She has an amazing voice and a wonderful handle on the piano. And she decided she wanted to make pop music. Good for her. I think real art is what the artist makes of it. True, she has become very mainstream, but it's all her own creation. Rather than saying she's sold out, I think that she's actually working the system in a way. The fact that she clearly could, and has in the past, make music that isn't "pop music," suggests that she knows this, and is either writing something she loves the sound of and is great dance music, or is writing this music knowing that she can make a shitload of money off of it. Either way, I can respect that. I think that people get way to wrapped up in the idea of mainstream and popular music. Just because a lot of people think its fantastic, doesn't mean that you need to think its shit. If you do, then you should have other reasons for doing so, that aren't related to how popular this artist is. That makes you just as bad as the people who like her just because she is popular.

She's an artist, she's making money. She's not killing puppies or anything. I think people should just give her a break.

Why does her music exist except to make her into a celebrity? Why does anyone like it except for it's unsubtle gratuitous sex appeal?

If you argue that it's just entertainment for entertainments sake then I have to be honest, you and I have very different definitions of entertainment.
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