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« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2010, 05:44:26 PM »

Thanks to everyone who mentioned plot comparisons

I haven’t seen it.

I’ve never been fond of films where both cgi and human characters are used.

Having said that, I might watch it if someone can convince me that the story is something special.


There are actually very few scenes with direct interaction between them, it's mostly all humans or all CGI characters.

This is not Jar Jar Binks, go see it O0

Seriously the level of detail on the faces plus the fact that the facial movements are mostly motion capture not animated really take a lot of that 3D character stereotype out of it.

I suppose the detail could win me over but I've seen footage and it has the combination problem that bothers me. i.e. CGI and human elements. CGI on it's own doesn't bother me (or even if it's used discretely in a production) but the subtle differences between the psychics of CGI and the real world have a kind of jarring quality that messes with my suspension of disbelief.
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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2010, 04:56:21 PM »

I went to see Avatar (3d) and it wasn't actually that bad. The CGI elements didn’t bother me enough to ruin it. Fantasy action films aren't really my thing but I’d sooner see something like Avatar over the majority of blockbuster films I’ve being asked to see in the last 5 years or so. About half an hour of the film was a little tedious because epic battles don’t really engage me but the rest was much better than the average fantasy film. 

Oh and - The detail was impressive.
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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2010, 05:54:45 PM »

I went to see Avatar (3d) and it wasn't actually that bad. The CGI elements didn’t bother me enough to ruin it. Fantasy action films aren't really my thing but I’d sooner see something like Avatar over the majority of blockbuster films I’ve being asked to see in the last 5 years or so. About half an hour of the film was a little tedious because epic battles don’t really engage me but the rest was much better than the average fantasy film. 

Oh and - The detail was impressive.

yeah, the detail was so high that the CGI did not clash with the real footage at all.  It all simply looked real.
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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2010, 07:30:57 PM »

I went to see Avatar (3d) and it wasn't actually that bad. The CGI elements didn’t bother me enough to ruin it. Fantasy action films aren't really my thing but I’d sooner see something like Avatar over the majority of blockbuster films I’ve being asked to see in the last 5 years or so. About half an hour of the film was a little tedious because epic battles don’t really engage me but the rest was much better than the average fantasy film. 

Oh and - The detail was impressive.

yeah, the detail was so high that the CGI did not clash with the real footage at all.  It all simply looked real.

The trailers show-up the physics more so than the film. It could be the detail but it might also be about the juxtaposition of clips in the trailer. There were bits of CGI that will probably date faster than others but it didn’t bother me anything like as much as I thought it might - It was even possible for me to feel quite a bit of empathy due to the facial expressions and body language, which is not something I normally get from human-like CGI characters. 
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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2010, 12:35:17 AM »

pocahontas.

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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2010, 03:59:31 AM »

watched avatar on sunday.... although technically superb it is a shame the story was so simplistic....
anyone else notice how it is basically Dune? (alien planet being the only source of a much needed commodity that is intrinsically linked to the psychic bonds of the planets life.... one of the outsiders becomes one of the alien freedom fighters as predicted in prophecy and who bonds with the planets animal life to destroy the invaders)
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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2010, 08:21:15 PM »

I've heard it compared to Dune, Pocahontas, Fern Gully, and Dances With Wolves
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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2010, 01:11:14 AM »

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« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2010, 01:53:23 AM »

pocahontas.
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Naw, cuz I'm sure there really are waterfalls and talking forest-creatures on Pandora....
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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2010, 02:16:43 AM »

pocahontas.
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Naw, cuz I'm sure there really are waterfalls and talking forest-creatures on Pandora....
not to mention spontaneous and kicky musical numbers.  and let's not forget the preachy ones; cmon, don't you know they paint with all the colors of the wind?
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« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2010, 02:48:38 AM »

seriously... this is discussion is moot.

it's like saying two porns about a pizza delivery guy are different because "yeah I'm sure that one had HUGE tits, and the guy in this one was totally half latino"



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OR NO, LIKE SAYING AVATAR AND POCAHONTAS ARE DIFFERENT FUCKING MOVIES BECAUSE ONe DIDN'T HAVE FUCKING SING ALONGS!!!!

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« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2010, 03:27:42 AM »

As someone who has read a lot about the story of pocahontas and captain smith,and the discovery of america ; i think the avatar is a more idealized version of that story. You know indian people couldn't survive the war, they even didn't fight they just prayed to their ancestors and wished not to be attacked as far as i know, they were all friendly and patient and tried to talk it over. Maybe because they were hopeless, the immigrants were not as crowded as indians were at first but they were much more ahead of them in terms of technology. Yet the creatures of the pandora planet are not also religious but also they are offensive when they're attacked. They keep fighting and don't meet their fate calmly. Of course there are many differences too.
The movie made me think that we always assume the aliens as more developed and powerful creatures then us. The Avatar looks like a "what if?" movie to me, the planet is not that developed, they don't know any guns but arrows, but i see they're more civilized than the usual people. They don't deserve what they don't deserve, they don't invide they just defend themselves. I think this movie is something that should remind us what is important. To develop and invent a lot, or to stay civilized and don't forget we're all siblings? Doesn't it remind us how ambitious we- all people- are?
I find it utopic. It's something more like getting back to the ancestors to me.
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« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2010, 10:53:44 AM »

seriously... this is discussion is moot.

it's like saying two porns about a pizza delivery guy are different because "yeah I'm sure that one had HUGE tits, and the guy in this one was totally half latino"



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OR NO, LIKE SAYING AVATAR AND POCAHONTAS ARE DIFFERENT FUCKING MOVIES BECAUSE ONe DIDN'T HAVE FUCKING SING ALONGS!!!!


neither movie had sing-alongs.  pocahates was a musical.  but they're both cartoons, at least avatar is half a cartoon.  and, they're different fucking movies, perhaps with the same exact plot?
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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2010, 01:18:11 PM »

seriously... this is discussion is moot.

it's like saying two porns about a pizza delivery guy are different because "yeah I'm sure that one had HUGE tits, and the guy in this one was totally half latino"



 :nono:

OR NO, LIKE SAYING AVATAR AND POCAHONTAS ARE DIFFERENT FUCKING MOVIES BECAUSE ONe DIDN'T HAVE FUCKING SING ALONGS!!!!


neither movie had sing-alongs.  pocahates was a musical.  but they're both cartoons, at least avatar is half a cartoon.  and, they're different fucking movies, perhaps with the same exact plot?
But the Disney venture loses points for having an actual historical basis
which it fails utterly to represent....

(Pocahontas probably had tattoos.... and she probably wore a lot less clothing than the Disney version...)
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« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2010, 01:49:05 PM »

seriously... this is discussion is moot.

it's like saying two porns about a pizza delivery guy are different because "yeah I'm sure that one had HUGE tits, and the guy in this one was totally half latino"



 :nono:

OR NO, LIKE SAYING AVATAR AND POCAHONTAS ARE DIFFERENT FUCKING MOVIES BECAUSE ONe DIDN'T HAVE FUCKING SING ALONGS!!!!


neither movie had sing-alongs.  pocahates was a musical.  but they're both cartoons, at least avatar is half a cartoon.  and, they're different fucking movies, perhaps with the same exact plot?
But the Disney venture loses points for having an actual historical basis
which it fails utterly to represent....

(Pocahontas probably had tattoos.... and she probably wore a lot less clothing than the Disney version...)

the disney version failed from the beginning for not using a 'fairy tale', in their grand tradition of animated musicals.  making a fairy tale out of actual events does not cut it.  an ex girlfriend of mine was a series of great granddaughter to pocahontas, along with half the country, but she has a photograph that's been handed down to her, which is cool.  no facial tattoos, but the photo's in colonial clothing so it's hard to tell.  she didn't look a lot like the cartoon version, though.

eh, i'm tired of preachy entertainment altogether.
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