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[CeeGBee]

seriously... this is discussion is moot.

it's like saying two porns about a pizza delivery guy are different because "yeah I'm sure that one had HUGE tits, and the guy in this one was totally half latino"



 

OR NO, LIKE SAYING AVATAR AND POCAHONTAS ARE DIFFERENT FUCKING MOVIES BECAUSE ONe DIDN'T HAVE FUCKING SING ALONGS!!!!

neither movie had sing-alongs.  pocahates was a musical.  but they're both cartoons, at least avatar is half a cartoon.  and, they're different fucking movies, perhaps with the same exact plot?

But the Disney venture loses points for having an actual historical basis
which it fails utterly to represent....

(Pocahontas probably had tattoos.... and she probably wore a lot less clothing than the Disney version...)

the disney version failed from the beginning for not using a 'fairy tale', in their grand tradition of animated musicals.  making a fairy tale out of actual events does not cut it.  an ex girlfriend of mine was a series of great granddaughter to pocahontas, along with half the country, but she has a photograph that's been handed down to her, which is cool.  no facial tattoos, but the photo's in colonial clothing so it's hard to tell.  she didn't look a lot like the cartoon version, though.

eh, i'm tired of preachy entertainment altogether.

Alleged to be a photograph (first practical forms: early 1800s) of Matoaka/Pocahontas (d.1617)?

There's only one known image of her "from life": link... but there are a number of modifications of it
floating around that claim to be, despite important changes in her appearance.

[Agonistes]

seriously... this is discussion is moot.

it's like saying two porns about a pizza delivery guy are different because "yeah I'm sure that one had HUGE tits, and the guy in this one was totally half latino"



 

OR NO, LIKE SAYING AVATAR AND POCAHONTAS ARE DIFFERENT FUCKING MOVIES BECAUSE ONe DIDN'T HAVE FUCKING SING ALONGS!!!!

neither movie had sing-alongs.  pocahates was a musical.  but they're both cartoons, at least avatar is half a cartoon.  and, they're different fucking movies, perhaps with the same exact plot?

But the Disney venture loses points for having an actual historical basis
which it fails utterly to represent....

(Pocahontas probably had tattoos.... and she probably wore a lot less clothing than the Disney version...)

the disney version failed from the beginning for not using a 'fairy tale', in their grand tradition of animated musicals.  making a fairy tale out of actual events does not cut it.  an ex girlfriend of mine was a series of great granddaughter to pocahontas, along with half the country, but she has a photograph that's been handed down to her, which is cool.  no facial tattoos, but the photo's in colonial clothing so it's hard to tell.  she didn't look a lot like the cartoon version, though.

eh, i'm tired of preachy entertainment altogether.

Alleged to be a photograph (first practical forms: early 1800s) of Matoaka/Pocahontas (d.1617)?

fuck, i didn't do the research.  it's a daguerreotype, or something.  but it's supposed to be her.  i didn't examine the thing, she keeps it in a box.  anyway someone in her family researched it back, and she has this item that got passed down to her, so either way it's kind of cool.  maybe it's a painting, and i'm retarded, that's a possibility as well.

[CeeGBee]

Pokie's one of our local treasures 'round here, particularly as I used to work at Jamestown....

...but yeah, there's that one engraving, and there's an oil painting based on the engraving,
but with her skin lightened and her facial features softened to appeal to a European audience
(and her ghastly white beaver-fur hat changed to a more fashionable black...)...

Then there's another oil that tries to undo the changes from the first...

...is probably something approximating her actual appearance while she was living in England.

[Savannah]

Pokie's one of our local treasures 'round here, particularly as I used to work at Jamestown....

...but yeah, there's that one engraving, and there's an oil painting based on the engraving,
but with her skin lightened and her facial features softened to appeal to a European audience
(and her ghastly white beaver-fur hat changed to a more fashionable black...)...

Then there's another oil that tries to undo the changes from the first...

...is probably something approximating her actual appearance while she was living in England.

this portrait was featured on one of our lesson papers. and our teacher said that she was not as beautiful as she was pictured at the cartoon actually. people found her weird and looked down on her in england. that's not surprizing, even she was the most beautiful woman of world, she must have looked different to them. just like neytiri does. they're beautiful on their territories, we so called modern people have difficulty to understand them. something about standarts i guess. anyway they're both the characters of romantic stories which impress the ordinary people. i think they have a common point, their stories are a lot more different then the fairytales. fairytales are meant to give children moral messages,especially to the girls. take little red riding hood, it has many metaphors. wolf symbolizes grown men. and if you tell this fairytale to any kid,s/he will understand that it's dangereous to talk to strangers at the end. pocahontas and captain smith's story doesn't  give such messages, besides i think it's more impressive to adults, and so is neytiri and jake's. both of the stories prove that if you really love someone you can give up your religion family nationality etc.

[Tomatoes and Radiowire]

seriously... this is discussion is moot.

it's like saying two porns about a pizza delivery guy are different because "yeah I'm sure that one had HUGE tits, and the guy in this one was totally half latino"



 

OR NO, LIKE SAYING AVATAR AND POCAHONTAS ARE DIFFERENT FUCKING MOVIES BECAUSE ONe DIDN'T HAVE FUCKING SING ALONGS!!!!

neither movie had sing-alongs.  pocahates was a musical.  but they're both cartoons, at least avatar is half a cartoon.  and, they're different fucking movies, perhaps with the same exact plot?

But the Disney venture loses points for having an actual historical basis
which it fails utterly to represent....

(Pocahontas probably had tattoos.... and she probably wore a lot less clothing than the Disney version...)

It's like Guy Ritchie's Sherlock Holmes.
they just borrowed the name.
given I understand that Sherlock was not real, but for that matter who cares if Pocahontas was real. disney changed the story into something entirely different and THAT will be remembered.

[nottheonethatscrazy]

I loved Avatar, but I found this kind of funny:

[spider jerusalem]

The movie made me think that we always assume the aliens as more developed and powerful creatures then us. The Avatar looks like a "what if?" movie to me, the planet is not that developed, they don't know any guns but arrows, but i see they're more civilized than the usual people. They don't deserve what they don't deserve, they don't invide they just defend themselves. I think this movie is something that should remind us what is important. To develop and invent a lot, or to stay civilized and don't forget we're all siblings? Doesn't it remind us how ambitious we- all people- are?
I find it utopic. It's something more like getting back to the ancestors to me.

I really did not think about this. I also don't think this is the first time aliens are treated as less developed than us (maybe on cinema?). or maybe I was the one who imagined that they may not be so evolved. Also, I think is part of the human nature to develop and forget we are siblings and forget civilization - not that I like or agree with it.

however, all this *possible* interpretations of what James Cameron wrote does not make the film look better to me. I really didn not like it. The 3d is really good, though I watched it on 2d. But nothing else. For me, is Pocahontas on Steroids.

James Cameron should go back to his Terminator and Alien times... I'd like to see another not so family-friendly film made by him.