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Do you believe in god or gods?

Certain that my god(s) exist(s)
- 9 (10.6%)
Strongly believe in some theism
- 9 (10.6%)
Lean towards theism
- 6 (7.1%)
True Agnostic (no idea!)
- 13 (15.3%)
Don't really believe
- 9 (10.6%)
Highly doubt
- 21 (24.7%)
Certain that there is no god or gods
- 18 (21.2%)

Total Members Voted: 83


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Re: Do you believe in god? (not a debate thread)
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2010, 03:41:35 AM »

I seem to atract itinerant street preachers for some reason....they look confused when i mention lillith and the nature of original sin being fundamentally flawed ...the sin was commited in innocence and with being misled by the Serpent....not satan or lucifer by the way....but definetely a prejudaic symbol of feminine power and sexuality, one of the main pantheistic religions of the middle east before the rise of the hebrews was a feminine serpent goddess closely related to Innana...so eve was basically set up as she had no concept of right or wrong or of deception until AFTER the eating of the apple
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Re: Do you believe in god? (not a debate thread)
« Reply #61 on: February 25, 2010, 02:56:02 AM »

I believe religion was created as a means to explain what used to be unexplainable. As more and more of our world is explained, we continue losing the need to have faith that something exists to explain what we can't yet explain.
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Re: Do you believe in god? (not a debate thread)
« Reply #62 on: February 25, 2010, 04:08:25 AM »

actually it is more to do with a modern phenomenom of people believing in a very materialistic view of reality....this view is not necessarily the correct view, and tends towards ignoring a non material aspect to reality....
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Re: Do you believe in god? (not a debate thread)
« Reply #63 on: February 25, 2010, 04:14:51 AM »

actually it is more to do with a modern phenomenom of people believing in a very materialistic view of reality....this view is not necessarily the correct view, and tends towards ignoring a non material aspect to reality....

Like what?
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Re: Do you believe in god? (not a debate thread)
« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2010, 11:04:13 AM »

aaah that is why philosophy and theology exist... to try to explore the aspect of reality that is less tangible than the purely physical ....  material science is great at describing the structure of the universe but cannot explain the why of the universe (some may say that there is no why other than what we ourselves choose to project onto reality.... others, even non religeous types would argue that there is some sort of fundamental meaning to existence)
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Re: Do you believe in god? (not a debate thread)
« Reply #65 on: February 25, 2010, 11:43:19 AM »

Philosophy has been siphoned off to the sciences and other disciplines. It's possible to argue that what remains of philosophy is predominately linguistic puzzles/misunderstandings. Some have made the disparaging remark that philosophy is a discipline without a subject. The exact same criticisms have all been made for theology too except that theology is additionally charged with positively revelling in linguistic ambiguity.

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Re: Do you believe in god? (not a debate thread)
« Reply #66 on: February 25, 2010, 12:39:00 PM »

You kids better not be debating.... 

The title clearly states: (not a debate thread)....
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Re: Do you believe in god? (not a debate thread)
« Reply #67 on: February 26, 2010, 04:10:57 AM »

no no no....... just discussing and defining the subject!.... me debate about religion? surely not
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Re: Do you believe in god? (not a debate thread)
« Reply #68 on: February 28, 2010, 11:35:47 PM »

aaah that is why philosophy and theology exist... to try to explore the aspect of reality that is less tangible than the purely physical ....  material science is great at describing the structure of the universe but cannot explain the why of the universe (some may say that there is no why other than what we ourselves choose to project onto reality.... others, even non religeous types would argue that there is some sort of fundamental meaning to existence)

1)  Since it is impossible to prove a negative and there are an infinite number of possibilities the burden of proof is on the person claiming the positive.

2)  There is no reason to believe there is any meaning to the universe.  I think the people who feel that there is are just running with what they feel should be true.  It has nothing to do with what is really true.  I've never seen an attempted argument that there is a meaning to the universe.  Can you show me one?
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Re: Do you believe in god? (not a debate thread)
« Reply #69 on: February 28, 2010, 11:50:20 PM »

If there is a god, it is not a sentient force.  This would account for the heinous actions and tragedies of the human race.
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Re: Do you believe in god? (not a debate thread)
« Reply #70 on: February 28, 2010, 11:52:10 PM »

If there is a god, it is not a sentient force.  This would account for the heinous actions and tragedies of the human race.

To err do-heinous-shit is human, to forgive let-the-bastards-get-away-with-it divine....
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Re: Do you believe in god? (not a debate thread)
« Reply #71 on: March 01, 2010, 02:33:50 AM »

If there is a god, it is not a sentient force.  This would account for the heinous actions and tragedies of the human race.

To err do-heinous-shit is human, to forgive let-the-bastards-get-away-with-it divine....


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Re: Do you believe in god? (not a debate thread)
« Reply #72 on: March 01, 2010, 09:04:53 PM »

If there is a god, it is not a sentient force.  This would account for the heinous actions and tragedies of the human race.

I agree.  Theologists have come up with good arguments for believing in a vast primordial energy but their arguments break down when they try to personify this entity.
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Re: Do you believe in god? (not a debate thread)
« Reply #73 on: March 01, 2010, 09:56:12 PM »

To err do-heinous-shit is human, to forgive let-the-bastards-get-away-with-it divine....

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Re: Do you believe in god? (not a debate thread)
« Reply #74 on: March 01, 2010, 10:22:54 PM »

To err do-heinous-shit is human, to forgive let-the-bastards-get-away-with-it divine....

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Quote from: Richard Bach
Imagine the universe beautiful and just and perfect.
Then be sure of one thing:
The Is has imagined it quite a bit better than you have.

Funny how we're willing to accept that there might be a power in/of/to
the universe that's infinitely beyond our comprehension, but not that
such a power might have a consciousness that transcends our notions
of right and wrong....
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