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mathematics = art
« on: March 25, 2010, 08:32:44 PM »

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Re: mathematics = art
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2010, 08:52:40 PM »

Damn. That's fucking exquisite.
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Re: mathematics = art
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2010, 02:54:49 AM »

doing 3d graphics definitely gives a new respect for mathematic repetitions
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Re: mathematics = art
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2010, 03:42:14 AM »

Ah… The Fibonacci sequence and the resultant Golden Ratio.

Is this post inspired by the fractions thread and the mention of irrational numbers?
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Re: mathematics = art
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2010, 12:40:16 PM »

no; i just came across that clip yesterday at io9.

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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2010, 04:25:12 PM »

I haven't watched the clip because I'm watching something else, but in my philosophy class we have a huge picture of... that really big important thing Einstein did. Theory of Relativity?? Anyway, we've got a massive picture of the equation on our wall because we don't understand it so it just looks like really beautiful squiggles and doodles. 's ace.
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2010, 08:10:36 PM »

very good video.  I'm surprised they did not bother to show how often the golden ratio appears in the human body (among all others).

It's a very important ratio in geometry and therefore mechanics.  We did some proofs with it in my advanced calculus class.  The wikipedia page on it is worth checking out.  It shows how to derive it among other things.  It is precisely equal to (1+sqr(5))/2  Where sqr means square root.


...While watching this video I wondered if it is possible to have an opposite of the golden ratio... the golden ratio is very pleasing to our eyes but can there be ratios that are specifically disturbing?
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Re: mathematics = art
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2010, 04:22:51 AM »

ahh the Lovecraftian ratio! where the angles are all wrong and it cannot be looked at directly without going mad
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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2010, 06:31:51 PM »

ahh the Lovecraftian ratio! where the angles are all wrong and it cannot be looked at directly without going mad

I don't think it exists but I'd love to be the one to derive it...  Einstein was the first to show (theoretically, not experimentally) that certain circumstances might cause deviations in Euclidean geometry.

I'm still teaching myself mathematics.  One day, when I know a lot more about super advanced geometry I might try to find a way to make some really perplexing objects.
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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2010, 06:34:25 PM »

ahh the Lovecraftian ratio! where the angles are all wrong and it cannot be looked at directly without going mad

I don't think it exists but I'd love to be the one to derive it...  Einstein was the first to show (theoretically, not experimentally) that certain circumstances might cause deviations in Euclidean geometry.

I'm still teaching myself mathematics.  One day, when I know a lot more about super advanced geometry I might try to find a way to make some really perplexing objects.

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Re: mathematics = art
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2010, 06:48:06 PM »

I thought that was going to explain the whole beer-goggles phenomenon.  :D

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« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2010, 11:51:33 PM »

I thought that was going to explain the whole beer-goggles phenomenon.  :D

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That is a separate but very complicated function involving time, volume, and mass (of
several different components of the entire function)....


Let me see, how did it go?

As t approaches lc, the ratio of mV to eI is inversely proportional to the perceived
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That's not the whole thing, but it was something like that...

*...where t is time, lc = last call, mV = mass of the male, eI = ethanol consumed,
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Re: mathematics = art
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2010, 08:20:41 AM »

very good video.  I'm surprised they did not bother to show how often the golden ratio appears in the human body (among all others).

It's a very important ratio in geometry and therefore mechanics.  We did some proofs with it in my advanced calculus class.  The wikipedia page on it is worth checking out.  It shows how to derive it among other things.  It is precisely equal to (1+sqr(5))/2  Where sqr means square root.


...While watching this video I wondered if it is possible to have an opposite of the golden ratio... the golden ratio is very pleasing to our eyes but can there be ratios that are specifically disturbing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley
Although "Uncanny Valley" might have its faults as a theory it offers some potential pointers... Anything appearing to be about right but for some reason (unknown to observer) isn't quite right will be able to cause a bit of emotional disturbance. This could mean that a ratio that is similar to the Golden ratio but not quite the same might actually be quite disturbing.

I suppose if you look at the ratios that are found in beautiful music and compare these to the ratios that are found in unsettling music there might be some interesting ratios (or approximations of beautiful ratios) to examine. In all likelihood, a jarring of ratios would probably be the most disturbing and ultimately the study would become about the combinations that were the most jarring.

There is a guy called Mick Grierson who claims to have produced experimental audiovisual material that is designed to have a disturbing effect. He uses cross-modal real-time composition techniques and these techniques cause confusion between what people hear and what they see. Comprehensible and incomprehensible elements seem to be vital to the effect.


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Re: mathematics = art
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2010, 07:38:49 PM »

very good video.  I'm surprised they did not bother to show how often the golden ratio appears in the human body (among all others).

It's a very important ratio in geometry and therefore mechanics.  We did some proofs with it in my advanced calculus class.  The wikipedia page on it is worth checking out.  It shows how to derive it among other things.  It is precisely equal to (1+sqr(5))/2  Where sqr means square root.


...While watching this video I wondered if it is possible to have an opposite of the golden ratio... the golden ratio is very pleasing to our eyes but can there be ratios that are specifically disturbing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley
Although "Uncanny Valley" might have its faults as a theory it offers some potential pointers... Anything appearing to be about right but for some reason (unknown to observer) isn't quite right will be able to cause a bit of emotional disturbance. This could mean that a ratio that is similar to the Golden ratio but not quite the same might actually be quite disturbing.

I suppose if you look at the ratios that are found in beautiful music and compare these to the ratios that are found in unsettling music there might be some interesting ratios (or approximations of beautiful ratios) to examine. In all likelihood, a jarring of ratios would probably be the most disturbing and ultimately the study would become about the combinations that were the most jarring.

There is a guy called Mick Grierson who claims to have produced experimental audiovisual material that is designed to have a disturbing effect. He uses cross-modal real-time composition techniques and these techniques cause confusion between what people hear and what they see. Comprehensible and incomprehensible elements seem to be vital to the effect.




I first saw this post a while ago and was intrigued by it but I neglected to comment.

I think the most universally disturbing images so far conceived by humans are human faces that are realistic but just a bit "off" in subtle ways.
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Re: mathematics = art
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2010, 09:21:45 AM »

Fun video but this thread was a major let down.........

I thought it was going to be about my main man Benoît B. Mandelbrot:



He is still alive (in his 80's now) and if you can get the chance meet him, I got to talk to him at a conference about 10 years back and was a cool guy.
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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2010, 12:22:30 PM »

Fun video but this thread was a major let down.........

I thought it was going to be about my main man Benoît B. Mandelbrot:



He is still alive (in his 80's now) and if you can get the chance meet him, I got to talk to him at a conference about 10 years back and was a cool guy.

Fractals are cool! and beautiful :love5:
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Re: mathematics = art
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2011, 07:53:52 PM »

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