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Re: the vegetarian/vegan thread
« Reply #225 on: August 02, 2011, 12:27:02 PM »

Too bad vegetarianism didn't make him less of a pretentious dick.
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Re: the vegetarian/vegan thread
« Reply #226 on: August 02, 2011, 12:28:23 PM »

What I am saying is, if you're vegan, then gratz. You're vegan. It doesn't make you morally or ethically superior to meat-eaters.

if can make some of your behavior morally or ethically superior to some of the behavior of meat-eaters

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Re: the vegetarian/vegan thread
« Reply #227 on: August 02, 2011, 03:37:49 PM »

uuuuum no vegans choose not to eat ANY animal products...(gets complex when it comes to yeast and mushrooms...) but they are perfectly capable to eat whatever....

Well it goes a bit further than that....no products of any type which include parts of or were tested on animals.

PETA censures Iams pet food company because they test on animals......and they are a pet food company.

of course, PETA also feels your dog and cat should also be fed vegetarian food, made without meat.  this of course will eventually give your cat diabetes and kill it, since cats are carnivores.

Also, many medicines widely used now have been tested and still made from animals. For example insulin, which a PETA board member uses, being diabetic (she might be ex-boardmember now, it was on a programme ages back).
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Re: the vegetarian/vegan thread
« Reply #228 on: August 02, 2011, 05:44:06 PM »

uuuuum no vegans choose not to eat ANY animal products...(gets complex when it comes to yeast and mushrooms...) but they are perfectly capable to eat whatever....

Well it goes a bit further than that....no products of any type which include parts of or were tested on animals.

PETA censures Iams pet food company because they test on animals......and they are a pet food company.

of course, PETA also feels your dog and cat should also be fed vegetarian food, made without meat.  this of course will eventually give your cat diabetes and kill it, since cats are carnivores.
PETA don't actually want you to have pets at all. For this reason they would rather euthanise animals in shelters than find them loving homes.

I no longer listen to PETA.
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Re: the vegetarian/vegan thread
« Reply #229 on: August 02, 2011, 07:22:09 PM »

What I am saying is, if you're vegan, then gratz. You're vegan. It doesn't make you morally or ethically superior to meat-eaters.

if can make some of your behavior morally or ethically superior to some of the behavior of meat-eaters

no, it can't. You've just put one more layer between you and the meat; that's all. If anything, vegans are lying to themselves.
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Re: the vegetarian/vegan thread
« Reply #230 on: August 03, 2011, 01:13:19 AM »

uuuuum no vegans choose not to eat ANY animal products...(gets complex when it comes to yeast and mushrooms...) but they are perfectly capable to eat whatever....

Well it goes a bit further than that....no products of any type which include parts of or were tested on animals.

PETA censures Iams pet food company because they test on animals......and they are a pet food company.

of course, PETA also feels your dog and cat should also be fed vegetarian food, made without meat.  this of course will eventually give your cat diabetes and kill it, since cats are carnivores.
PETA don't actually want you to have pets at all. For this reason they would rather euthanise animals in shelters than find them loving homes.

I no longer listen to PETA.
yeah, e.d. has a really hilarious article about peta.  i tried to imagine my spoiled-ass dog and cat trying to make it on the streets, and had to laugh; a domesticated animal doesn't have the ability to fend for itself.  like, at all.  both max and byob would be on crack in no time.  and domesticated animals have been domesticated for thousands of years.  hell, dogs even exist in the varying species they do now, thanks to humans breeding them.  cats, of course, simply decided to domesticate themselves because they're too awesome to be bothered with things like weather, or preparing their own food, or dealing with a life without being petted.

i fully intend to own a serval one day.  and, he's going to eat raw fowl, like he would in the wild, because it's the healthiest thing for him.  and, i'll probably build a dove/pigeon coop so i won't have to buy his food.  and a freezer, so i won't have to kill birds every day, and because squab is delicious.
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Re: the vegetarian/vegan thread
« Reply #231 on: August 03, 2011, 03:26:33 AM »

What I am saying is, if you're vegan, then gratz. You're vegan. It doesn't make you morally or ethically superior to meat-eaters.

if can make some of your behavior morally or ethically superior to some of the behavior of meat-eaters

no, it can't. You've just put one more layer between you and the meat; that's all. If anything, vegans are lying to themselves.

The idea that being vegan makes you morally or ethically superior is ridiculous.  Eating meat is a natural thing, and if I were less polite than I am, I would tell any vegan that thought they were better than me that they were the ones denying nature, not defying brutality.  

Go vegans if you can keep it up and not throw in us carnivores faces that you're a higher species, but I like my bacon sammiches too much.


I don't care much for nature as a "model" for being sensible - It is continuum spanning from Brownian motion (or not much better than BM) right up to very sophisticated thought processes. Humans have a scavenger mentality built into them (they will eat pretty much anything if they are desperate enough) but that mechanism is also responsible for many types of unproductive behavior in our supposedly civilized societies. Too many things, that we might be imprisoned for, could be classified as merely natural responses to the environment we are in.

Of course, ethics, strictly speaking, can be quite a murky terminology in my opinion - but I really shouldn't get into determinism and what that may or not mean for human accountability and how we might understand our preferences and the preferences of others in context of it.
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Re: the vegetarian/vegan thread
« Reply #232 on: August 03, 2011, 05:11:07 AM »

as one who grew up with active conservation...I kind of had a very practical but ethical approach to eating things.....it used to really annoy me when animal rights activists would do stupid things like release lab animals or mink into the wild where invariably the animals died or actively destroyed local wildlife.....I am not a vegetarian at all but am fully in support of better animal welfare in the farming industry..it annoys me that the government does not incentivise this more and use it as a tool for upgrading our farming economy
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Re: the vegetarian/vegan thread
« Reply #233 on: August 09, 2011, 01:52:07 PM »

I don't eat any meat at all.
Not even fish or chicken. I think eating meat is wrong!! Do you ever think of the poor pig when your'e enjoying a big sausage!!!
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Re: the vegetarian/vegan thread
« Reply #234 on: August 09, 2011, 01:55:15 PM »

I don't eat any meat at all.
Not even fish or chicken. I think eating meat is wrong!! Do you ever think of the poor pig when your'e enjoying a big sausage!!!

I think of them and can not eat. That's why nobody eats pork in my country  ;D ;D
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Re: the vegetarian/vegan thread
« Reply #235 on: August 09, 2011, 02:03:38 PM »

Thats a good idea!! meat-eaters are evil!
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Re: the vegetarian/vegan thread
« Reply #236 on: August 09, 2011, 02:07:24 PM »

evil-eaters are meat?!?

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Re: the vegetarian/vegan thread
« Reply #237 on: August 09, 2011, 02:12:02 PM »

evil-eaters are meat?!?

Haha! Plain logic.
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Re: the vegetarian/vegan thread
« Reply #238 on: August 09, 2011, 02:21:14 PM »

evil-eaters are meat?!?

odd person is odd.
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Re: the vegetarian/vegan thread
« Reply #239 on: August 09, 2011, 05:07:49 PM »

I don't eat any meat at all.
Not even fish or chicken. I think eating meat is wrong!! Do you ever think of the poor pig when your'e enjoying a big sausage!!!
Nonsense...  I bet you secretly really enjoy a big hot sausage...
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