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[Astica]

Cows <3

That is all.

[Savannah]

Well, it's my third day since i decided to go vegetarian. Wıthin these last three days i said no to meat and chicken for about 4-5 times.
First day was good enough with potatoes, second day lunch: white bean stew(of course without meat) dinner: stuffed vine leaves at the dinner. And today lunch: eggs scrambled with tomatoes and green pepper(still can not say no to egg, and i wonder if it makes me a semi-vegetarian) and dinner: leek stew(no meat again).

Dudes, i'm asking it because i don't have any idea about it, there aren't any vegetarians / vegans around me, anyway: i still eat cheese and egg. And i guess i won't be able to avoid eating eggs especially because food producers / bakers are unaware of the term vegetarianism. And it will be quite hard to find convenieve foods which don't contain egg. And as for the cheese, i'm a big fan of cheese and yoghurt, i can't help it.

So does it make me semi or sub vegetarian?

[Pope Totalfrog]

You are vegetarian. Lots of vegetarians still eat eggs and dairy.

[Savannah]

You are vegetarian. Lots of vegetarians still eat eggs and dairy.

Hurraaaay! Mrs Froggy, thank you so much. I thought i'd louse up, but i didn't. So yay, i'm a vegetarian!! 

[lentower]

Well, it's my third day since i decided to go vegetarian. Wıthin these last three days i said no to meat and chicken for about 4-5 times.
First day was good enough with potatoes, second day lunch: white bean stew(of course without meat) dinner: stuffed vine leaves at the dinner. And today lunch: eggs scrambled with tomatoes and green pepper(still can not say no to egg, and i wonder if it makes me a semi-vegetarian) and dinner: leek stew(no meat again).

Dudes, i'm asking it because i don't have any idea about it, there aren't any vegetarians / vegans around me, anyway: i still eat cheese and egg. And i guess i won't be able to avoid eating eggs especially because food producers / bakers are unaware of the term vegetarianism. And it will be quite hard to find convenieve foods which don't contain egg. And as for the cheese, i'm a big fan of cheese and yoghurt, i can't help it.

So does it make me semi or sub vegetarian?

it makes you an ovo-lacto vegetarian
(i believe latin for egg and milk)

the words in English happened for historical reasons,
due to the establishment of non-killing vegetarians,
before non-exploiting/non-enslaving vegetarians,
who came up with "vegan" as a name for themselves.

i have heard people who only abstain from beef,
call themselves "vegetarian",
so it's good to qualify what you don't eat

some eggs are fertile,
i.e. have a live embryo in them,
some vegetarians won't eat them

some vegetarians won't eat honey
as bees are exploited and killed in it's production

just a few of the finer distinctions ...

[Niels]

I've always found it strange that some vegans refuse to eat honey. Millions of insects die when grains or other crops are harvested. If they follow that logic they should become fruitarians (silly word) and eat only those things which fell off the tree naturally. There is such a thing as taking something too far.

[N.U.]

Well, it's my third day since i decided to go vegetarian. Wıthin these last three days i said no to meat and chicken for about 4-5 times.
First day was good enough with potatoes, second day lunch: white bean stew(of course without meat) dinner: stuffed vine leaves at the dinner. And today lunch: eggs scrambled with tomatoes and green pepper(still can not say no to egg, and i wonder if it makes me a semi-vegetarian) and dinner: leek stew(no meat again).

Dudes, i'm asking it because i don't have any idea about it, there aren't any vegetarians / vegans around me, anyway: i still eat cheese and egg. And i guess i won't be able to avoid eating eggs especially because food producers / bakers are unaware of the term vegetarianism. And it will be quite hard to find convenieve foods which don't contain egg. And as for the cheese, i'm a big fan of cheese and yoghurt, i can't help it.

So does it make me semi or sub vegetarian?

If your local grocer has them, Amy's make a large line of vegetarian meals.

[lentower]

I've always found it strange that some vegans refuse to eat honey. Millions of insects die when grains or other crops are harvested. If they follow that logic they should become fruitarians (silly word) and eat only those things which fell off the tree naturally. There is such a thing as taking something too far.

yes, like covering so much of the planet with concrete and asphalt,
polluting the ocean,
suicide bombers,
and (i can go on for screen fulls)

[Savannah]

Well, it's my third day since i decided to go vegetarian. Wıthin these last three days i said no to meat and chicken for about 4-5 times.
First day was good enough with potatoes, second day lunch: white bean stew(of course without meat) dinner: stuffed vine leaves at the dinner. And today lunch: eggs scrambled with tomatoes and green pepper(still can not say no to egg, and i wonder if it makes me a semi-vegetarian) and dinner: leek stew(no meat again).

Dudes, i'm asking it because i don't have any idea about it, there aren't any vegetarians / vegans around me, anyway: i still eat cheese and egg. And i guess i won't be able to avoid eating eggs especially because food producers / bakers are unaware of the term vegetarianism. And it will be quite hard to find convenieve foods which don't contain egg. And as for the cheese, i'm a big fan of cheese and yoghurt, i can't help it.


So does it make me semi or sub vegetarian?

it makes you an ovo-lacto vegetarian
(i believe latin for egg and milk)

the words in English happened for historical reasons,
due to the establishment of non-killing vegetarians,
before non-exploiting/non-enslaving vegetarians,
who came up with "vegan" as a name for themselves.

i have heard people who only abstain from beef,
call themselves "vegetarian",
so it's good to qualify what you don't eat

some eggs are fertile,
i.e. have a live embryo in them,
some vegetarians won't eat them

some vegetarians won't eat honey
as bees are exploited and killed in it's production

just a few of the finer distinctions ...

Thanks Len.
Actually i have a very strange diet. I don't eat honey, i don't eat fish(though i have eaten some mussels, calamars, shrimps in the past. But i don't eat any other fish, and i guess i won't eat crustaceans anymore). I'm also unable to eat some veggies such as eggplants, strawberries, etc. (I eat them like once a year but they trouble me a lot causing lots of complications).
Anyway, i have never been able to be the kind of person who can eat in a fish restaurant decorated with fish tanks. And since my childhood, i have always hated to see cows and sheeps being slaughtered in eid-ul-adhas. And seeing that used to make me unable to eat meat for weeks.

That's why i wanted to do something. I wanted to know on which side of the line i have been standing. So thanks for the information.

I'm really not a big fan of egg,sometimes it gives me allergetic itches. Yet people use it in everything here  

I wish there were veggie friendly restaurants here.

If your local grocer has them, Amy's make a large line of vegetarian meals.

I have never heard about them. Groceries here mostly sell local veggies.

[The Angel Raliel]

thinking about it.....most of the nutrients plants grow in come from the deaths of other organisms, mainly invertebrates and othe plants, hydroponic and artificially grown crops are actually the only truly vegan plants on the planet....
particularly so with Organic produce as the death of an awful lot of insects is part and parcel with their production! (just not by chemicals)

[Savannah]

thinking about it.....most of the nutrients plants grow in come from the deaths of other organisms, mainly invertebrates and othe plants, hydroponic and artificially grown crops are actually the only truly vegan plants on the planet....
particularly so with Organic produce as the death of an awful lot of insects is part and parcel with their production! (just not by chemicals)

Personally, as a green thumb, i'd say it's not fair to eat vegatables too. They totally are alive, i think some even has characteristic features too. For example my beautiful hoya carnosa, no matter how i put it into a place with lots of sun and enough water where she should be able to photosynthesize, i think she took it personal and resented because we can't see eachother as much as we used to do before   and yes, she's a she.

But as a person who works for a company that builds wheat and maize milling plants, it's a vicious circle. We have to put larva destroying machines to these processing lines, because it's not something people would like to have inside their flour packages or foods.
These pests and larvas need to live in and on these plants. Yet, i wouldn't like to eat them either.

It really is a vicious circle. We need food. There's no way in hell to produce enough artifically grown crops for everybody.

[The Angel Raliel]

indeed I think I might become a humanitarian....the only guilt free meat on the planet!

[Agonistes]

thinking about it.....most of the nutrients plants grow in come from the deaths of other organisms, mainly invertebrates and othe plants, hydroponic and artificially grown crops are actually the only truly vegan plants on the planet....
particularly so with Organic produce as the death of an awful lot of insects is part and parcel with their production! (just not by chemicals)

Personally, as a green thumb, i'd say it's not fair to eat vegatables too. They totally are alive, i think some even has characteristic features too. For example my beautiful hoya carnosa, no matter how i put it into a place with lots of sun and enough water where she should be able to photosynthesize, i think she took it personal and resented because we can't see eachother as much as we used to do before   and yes, she's a she.

But as a person who works for a company that builds wheat and maize milling plants, it's a vicious circle. We have to put larva destroying machines to these processing lines, because it's not something people would like to have inside their flour packages or foods.
These pests and larvas need to live in and on these plants. Yet, i wouldn't like to eat them either.

It really is a vicious circle. We need food. There's no way in hell to produce enough artifically grown crops for everybody.

i have no numbers here before me, but i have read before that iowa by itself could make enough corn to feed the entire world.  i spent a summer 'detasseling' literally miles of corn, none of which was for human consumption (it was hybrid corn that couldn't reproduce by itself, hence the detasseling).  i still don't know the name of the company i worked for but i have a sneaking suspicion it was monsanto.  the corn was supposed to be used experimentally in biofuel, which they claimed back then would have replaced fossil fuels by now.  obviously they didn't predict how hard the auto industry would fight against biofuels, as twenty years later, like three people have still ever heard of biodeisel.

i know america has been paying farmers NOT to grow crops for almost as long as i've been alive...there is no telling how many people we could feed if it weren't about selling what we grow.

[Morpheus Laughing]

I've always found it strange that some vegans refuse to eat honey. Millions of insects die when grains or other crops are harvested. If they follow that logic they should become fruitarians (silly word) and eat only those things which fell off the tree naturally. There is such a thing as taking something too far.

That’s related to a standard criticism of utilitarianism. At the most extreme, it takes the form of the question:

“Why don’t you kill yourself if you want to reduce your negative impact on the world that badly?”

There are always going to be conflicting sets of issues that get in the way of living up to the ideals but this shouldn’t prevent anyone from striving to live by them.

I’ve mentioned before that I’ve known people who have given up on vegetarianism and gone back to eating meat every day. It almost seems like they wanted a name-tag more than they cared about the principles. I’d rather they eat meat if they must but maintain the belief that they should try to do without it.     

[lentower]

I've always found it strange that some vegans refuse to eat honey. Millions of insects die when grains or other crops are harvested. If they follow that logic they should become fruitarians (silly word) and eat only those things which fell off the tree naturally. There is such a thing as taking something too far.

That’s related to a standard criticism of utilitarianism. At the most extreme, it takes the form of the question:

“Why don’t you kill yourself if you want to reduce your negative impact on the world that badly?”

There are always going to be conflicting sets of issues that get in the way of living up to the ideals but this shouldn’t prevent anyone from striving to live by them.

I’ve mentioned before that I’ve known people who have given up on vegetarianism and gone back to eating meat every day. It almost seems like they wanted a name-tag more than they cared about the principles. I’d rather they eat meat if they must but maintain the belief that they should try to do without it.     

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