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[Marconabe]

Its seems as though our animal instincts and needs scream to a different tune than our reasoning and ilogical\logical thought. As humans we need nature to survive but our brains keep creating cities and advanced technology. It feels as though human beings are an absurd equation. Like we all walk about, trying so hard to make sence of these two different sides of ourselves that are both undeniably present, that we both identify with. But that constantly contradict one another.

[The Angel Raliel]

no but we have intellectually evolved much quicker than we have in many other ways which has led to all sorts of problems
our capacity for symbolic thought is what is key to the problem...we can no longer easily access direct thought (everything is filtered through a complex symbol system

[lentower]

A related question:

Is technological intelligence a species survival strategy?

More than just symbolic thought.

Discuss?

[The Angel Raliel]

hmm how do you mean technological intelligence? tool use is a direct result of being able to plan and imagine outcomes to solve problems

but if you mean the development of artificial intelligence....well we really need to get there first before we really know how it affects us

[Breschau]

but if you mean the development of artificial intelligence....well we really need to get there first before we really know how it affects us

Might not quite be (sentient) artificial intelligence yet, but we have at least reached spambots starting vaguely intelligent threads that prompt proper discussions.

[The Angel Raliel]

psuedo intelligence is just that.....although they are great at recognising word patterns and responding with similar patterns they are far from becoming a reasoning intelligence ....bees are way smarter than even the most developed ai

[Breschau]

(note: was hinting that the OP is a spambot)

[The Angel Raliel]

I AM A SPAMBOT AND HAVE BEEN ALL MY LIFE!

[lentower]

I AM A SPAMBOT AND HAVE BEEN ALL MY LIFE!

sigh.

guess the mods have really let us down then.
or maybe they let high quality spambots stay?

[lentower]

hmm how do you mean technological intelligence? tool use is a direct result of being able to plan and imagine outcomes to solve problems

the ability to use tools and energy to massively change our environment.
which is unique to our species.

the best thinking in the sciences right now, is that opposable thumbs, and language evolved together - re-enforcing one another.

symbolic manipulation in the mind is far less useful.
with limited ability to manipulate the physical world.

[Morpheus Laughing]

^
Regarding the original question “Is technological intelligence a species survival strategy?”
It is a strategy…

An optimum strategy has to consider the impact of the technology on the world. Sometimes there are too many unknowns and not enough time to tweak the solutions.

Personally, I think that "species survival" is unimportant compared to reducing suffering.

[The Angel Raliel]

actually tool use is not nearly so uniquely human as we might imagine and is evidenced in many species of bird, ape, otter,etc even octopus have been known to use tools.... what made usadvance so rapidly down the tool use root has indeed got much to do with our use of complex language....both have their origins in us as social scavengers....most apes are foragers with occasional hunter/scavenger behaviour...at some point we moved to a plains lifestyle which saw us develop into aggressive scavengers and opportunists...kind of the racoons of the ape world, complex communication evolved to allow us to organise and  act as a pack or clan group that required  outhinking other scavengers and predators...it is no coincidence that we are meat eaters.....

[CeeGBee]

actually tool use is not nearly so uniquely human as we might imagine and is evidenced in many species of bird.....

No, seriously...

Have ya seen THIS?
(Sorry, it's not embed-able, at least not to my feeble skills...)

[Agonistes]

I AM A SPAMBOT AND HAVE BEEN ALL MY LIFE!

sigh.

guess the mods have really let us down then.
or maybe they let high quality spam bots stay?

just wondering...................


...............was it 'worth it' for you to post in a spambot thread, len?  seems a little disingenuous after bitching me out in pm's for the same.


just sayin.







edit: these things also work without links.  in clearing a bunch of them, my eye fell on the words 'mont blanc' and i've been looking at new fountain pens (independently of bot links) for fifteen minutes now.

[Pope Totalfrog]

edit: these things also work without links.  in clearing a bunch of them, my eye fell on the words 'mont blanc' and i've been looking at new fountain pens (independently of bot links) for fifteen minutes now.

The bots have gone subliminal. We are all doomed.

[CeeGBee]

edit: these things also work without links.  in clearing a bunch of them, my eye fell on the words 'mont blanc' and i've been looking at new fountain pens (independently of bot links) for fifteen minutes now.

The bots have gone subliminal. We are all doomed.

It can't work on me...  I've already talked myself out of buying the oh-so-awesome fountain pen years ago...

[The Angel Raliel]

this what i mean about meme-bots....infecting the recipient with an idea rather than clumsily using digital links

[Agonistes]

but why???  WHY is a 2-meter bed shameful?

[Magdelene]

Hm, hard to say this after all the f'd up things that have happened not just to me in my life but countless others.  But probably.... things occur because they are meant to.  Not in a Godly sense, just in general progression.  Its not so 'far out' and 'intellectual' as one thinks imo.  But who am I to obstruct ur 'constructive' thought patterns, it may lead to something gr8.