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[Shock G]

My history teacher almost started crying today when he was talking about 9/11... I don't even remember it.

 

Damn young people are out and about and even are on those computer thingys now!

[Shock G]

More details about that. Both choppers were supposed to hover, but the chopper hovering over the compound was hovering too low. Basically it created an air dam and the chopper ate it's own rotor wash, stalling the engine. It only fell straight down from about 15 feet.

The SEALS destroyed the chopper as a matter of policy (i.e. keeping classified/controlled material out of the hands of the enemy) on their way out.

The mission, smartly, had asked for 4 helos; 2 primary and 2 reserve. A reserve chopper was called in to pick up the troops from the downed chopper.

We fucked up the rescue mission for hostages in Iran thanks to not having enough operable aircraft so this doesn't surprise me at all with such a high value mission.

[Agonistes]

More details about that. Both choppers were supposed to hover, but the chopper hovering over the compound was hovering too low. Basically it created an air dam and the chopper ate it's own rotor wash, stalling the engine. It only fell straight down from about 15 feet.

The SEALS destroyed the chopper as a matter of policy (i.e. keeping classified/controlled material out of the hands of the enemy) on their way out.

The mission, smartly, had asked for 4 helos; 2 primary and 2 reserve. A reserve chopper was called in to pick up the troops from the downed chopper.

yep, came across that stuff too.  now i'm looking for transcripts from bin laden's tapes, but they're hard to find.

[Shock G]

Pakistan is not some backwater as they are always ready for war with India......and we have helos that can sneak in through that air defense net without issue.  Now that is pretty damn impressive.

[JohnnyDBBUK]

murder murder murder fun fun fun

"I killed a unicorn today. I did a DNA test to prove it was a unicorn, but the pics I took are too horrific to show you. As a mark of respect to the magical beast, I quickly buried it at sea. You all believe me don't you?"

[N.U.]

Wow, talk about somebody who completely missed the point... Look no further than ^

Seriously. If you think OBL is somehow still alive and hasn't come out with a vid of him holding up today's newspaper thumbing his nose at the US, then you've been reading too much 1984.

[Agonistes]

so, i read the transcript of bin laden's message to the american people he sent out four years after 9-11.  it didn't sound anything like the way it was paraphrased on the news.  odd to me how western sources seemingly have no interest in translating or publishing the actual message.

kinda angry at his short-sightedness, now.  like most guys like this, he makes perfect sense up to a limit, and then loses it all by being willing to take lives to make a point.  looks like somebody watched too many cowboy movies; i think he underestimated americans as easily as he believed americans misinterpreted his society.


also, if it is true about using women as a human shield; well i'm just glad one more misogynist is out of the way.  maybe if all the males get thinned out enough over there, the women will take off their pillowcases and start making some rules, for a change.  i'm actually amazed that hasn't happened yet, what with the constant rock-throwing and strafing here and there..

[imaginary friend]

didn't Pakistan have a woman president back in the late '80s?

#@!

[CeeGBee]

didn't Pakistan have a woman president back in the late '80s?

#@!

A woman of Kurdish-Iranian ancestry.....   

She was assassinated in '07.   

WIKI - Benazir Bhutto

[The Angel Raliel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0u3uKsHk3I

[Shock G]

Wow, talk about somebody who completely missed the point... Look no further than ^

Seriously. If you think OBL is somehow still alive and hasn't come out with a vid of him holding up today's newspaper thumbing his nose at the US, then you've been reading too much 1984.

Al Qaeda still hasn't even put out a message in response....looks like we scared them shitless by catching Bin Laden through the courier network (the only form of communication they have since others can be seen by the US).

[Agonistes]

i doubt we will see a message in the form of a figurehead.  no one would be willing to be the 'face' of al-queda after this.

[JohnnyDBBUK]

Wow, talk about somebody who completely missed the point... Look no further than ^

Seriously. If you think OBL is somehow still alive and hasn't come out with a vid of him holding up today's newspaper thumbing his nose at the US, then you've been reading too much 1984.

I'm an agent of comedy.
nothing more

but lets be honest are you all so cool with your Government ok-ing midnight murderfests against whoever they please across the world? That scares the shit out of me that they do that so casually around the world.
Newsflash American Government ye don't own the world. Borders must be respected. Cross a border you will most likely piss some militant type off.

I know Osama was the devil to you all but does anyone care about justice or any form of public trial and lifelong punishment? Or is it just guns blazing vengeance all round?
I thought the west was civilised?

[CeeGBee]

but lets be honest are you all so cool with your Government ok-ing midnight murderfests against whoever they please across the world? That scares the shit out of me that they do that so casually around the world.
Newsflash American Government ye don't own the world. Borders must be respected. Cross a border you will most likely piss some militant type off.

Honestly, I'm not so terribly concerned about Osama bL waking up with an American hit-squad in his room.....

What does bother me rather a lot is the as-yet-undetermined (but probably in the hundreds) number of men kidnapped
by US and allied security/intelligence agencies, frequently on no more basis than a tip from a neighbour, and whisked off
to secret prisons in unnamed countries to be held and tortured without charge or a chance to contest their detainment...

If you spy guys didn't think it was illegal, why didn't you bring 'em back here?
Possibly because you knew damn well there's no law anywhere that would approve?
Not US law, not "international law", no treaty, nuthin'.....

[Agonistes]

Wow, talk about somebody who completely missed the point... Look no further than ^

Seriously. If you think OBL is somehow still alive and hasn't come out with a vid of him holding up today's newspaper thumbing his nose at the US, then you've been reading too much 1984.

I'm an agent of comedy.
nothing more

but lets be honest are you all so cool with your Government ok-ing midnight murderfests against whoever they please across the world? That scares the shit out of me that they do that so casually around the world.
Newsflash American Government ye don't own the world. Borders must be respected. Cross a border you will most likely piss some militant type off.

I know Osama was the devil to you all but does anyone care about justice or any form of public trial and lifelong punishment? Or is it just guns blazing vengeance all round?
I thought the west was civilised?

i'm all about understanding, fair trial, and that sort of thing.  but you have to understand the us government was ending a ten year manhunt, in bin laden's case, and that at the end of how many countless gazillions of dollars and lives of soldiers lost?  and not just americans, either.  also, bin laden claimed responsibility for the deaths of two thousand american civilians.  he, himself, was NOT a civilian.  he actively had declared war on our government, and was both pleased and dismissive about civilian deaths.  and in a state of war, there is no tribunal.  i was not allowed to speak for my country when it was attacked by his 'brothers.'  there was no trial for the two thousand plus citizens sentenced to death in his 'jihad.'

so yeah, i'm pretty okay with it.  i'm actually not sure one would easily understand how many american civilians would love to have actually pulled the trigger.