but lets be honest are you all so cool with your Government ok-ing midnight murderfests against whoever they please across the world? That scares the shit out of me that they do that so casually around the world.Honestly, I'm not so terribly concerned about Osama bL waking up with an American hit-squad in his room.....
Newsflash American Government ye don't own the world. Borders must be respected. Cross a border you will most likely piss some militant type off.
What does bother me rather a lot is the as-yet-undetermined (but probably in the hundreds) number of men kidnapped
by US and allied security/intelligence agencies, frequently on no more basis than a tip from a neighbour, and whisked off
to secret prisons in unnamed countries to be held and tortured without charge or a chance to contest their detainment...
If you spy guys didn't think it was illegal, why didn't you bring 'em back here?
Possibly because you knew damn well there's no law anywhere that would approve?
Not US law, not "international law", no treaty, nuthin'.....
Cee I agree with you but I just wish they took him in rather than go guns blazing. From the sound of things the compound was caught with its pants down and had little time to mobilise so I really don't believe they had no option of than shoot to kill.
Another thing that bugs me about US forces playing about abroad is that they pick their fights under the banner of peace keeping/democracy building when in fact it's usually about protecting their own interests.
if they were so virtuous in thier war on terror etc why didn't they go sort out for example Mugabe or Kim Jong Il or better yet have a talk with China about their human rights offences.
They just convienently go where there are resources/American interests and it sullies the 'heroic west schpiel'. This is how the world sees it I am not sure how it is reported in the states.
this isn't a case of us forces going where they aren't wanted. well, maybe it is, but it doesn't actually matter. it actually WAS a case of of american interests being protected. osama bin laden didn't have any oil. and really it doesn't matter what the world thinks; most of america remembers watching people try to climb out flaming windows and dropping to their deaths while we watched two buildings collapse, in horror. we shot the guy who sent videotapes gloating about that incident and claiming full responsibility. pretty sure america is okay with what happened and how it happened. not really sure why other countries would even blink an eye (had they been bombed by terrorists, america would probably be the first one on the scene with aid--let me just take a moment to thank europe for all that help we didn't get), but then, we've bailed most of europe out before, too, and nobody ever pays us back or thanks us, beyond publicly condemning whatever we do in public.
i'm pretty sure they would have brought bin laden in if they had been able, but as nu says, the security nightmare....not to mention it's all on our bill. but, if the standing order was go in and kill anything that moves, i don't see how anyone has the fucking balls to say a word of condemnation about it one way or the other. it's not like we crashed a hijacked plane full of al-queda civilian passengers into his house or anything. nobody forced him out of his office with a jet engine. he didn't have to try to climb to safety while on fire.
this was not a picked fight by the americans. this was a fight americans got dragged into. we've bitched about this whole damn war and what it cost the whole time we have had forces there. we've gotten fussed at for using mild torture-like methods instead of actual torture, when our soldiers and civilians are getting blown up and sawn to death with serrated knives to the throat. we've gotten yelled at for only wanting oil when we depose a dictator, and when we spend everything in our treasury on a ten year manhunt to find a guy who declared war on us, quite successfully. yet, we surely just did it for the oil. notwithstanding we're paying out the ass for gas over here right now.
right now, we have soldiers saying things like 'what do you mean 'we' got him?'
don't get me wrong, i have no need of forces in the middle east. i've opposed the 'war' since before it started, and i have opposed just about everything the bush family ever did. i don't see why it wouldn't have been cheaper just to send in an assassin. but i have no problem whatsoever with bin laden being shot on sight. i just wish there had been a camera available, and that they had shot him for the world to see, but even with this completely justified and awesome strike, america's trying to at least be somewhat decent about it. sure, we're a bunch of asshole cowboys, whatever. but jesus christ, it would be nice once in a big-butted blue moon to see someone say, well done america, you got that guy who killed a shitload of your civilians. fuck, it's not that often we do anything quite so awesome.
maybe some of you guys aren't old enough to remember that day. hopefully none of you will ever see a day like that on tv, where the reporters for once don't even know what the fuck to say. once you see and your mind finally lets you comprehend something of that magnitude, it's hard to understand how anyone could think a fair trial could result from an act like that.