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Author Topic: Osama bin Laden, Rest In Pieces  (Read 5417 times)

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Osama bin Laden, Rest In Pieces
« on: May 01, 2011, 11:08:54 PM »

bye-bye, douchebag.

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Re: Osama bin Laden, Rest In Pieces
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2011, 12:14:34 AM »

Srsly, good riddance.   :buck2:
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Re: Osama bin Laden, Rest In Pieces
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2011, 12:18:15 AM »

I never thought I'd be happy to hear someone had been killed. I was this time though.
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Re: Osama bin Laden, Rest In Pieces
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2011, 01:35:35 AM »

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Re: Osama bin Laden, Rest In Pieces
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2011, 03:31:00 AM »

they should have judged him before the very eyes of the families of the victims of 9.11 and war, also they should have executed him before the eyes of the same crowd. anyway, an asshole who caused such violence and enmity has been killed, the world is not less dangereous but at least less dirty.
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Re: Osama bin Laden, Rest In Pieces
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2011, 05:51:46 AM »

i'm always sadden to see a person die.

the way this was done will NOT help our relation with Pakistan,
and does nothing to cure the underlying issues that makes people terrorists.
like the saudi royal family.

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Re: Osama bin Laden, Rest In Pieces
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2011, 06:05:19 AM »

they should have judged him before the very eyes of the families of the victims of 9.11 and war, also they should have executed him before the eyes of the same crowd. anyway, an asshole who caused such violence and enmity has been killed, the world is not less dangereous but at least less dirty.

The US Special Foreces are good,
but the odds of them getting anyone in that compound
out alive were small.

Also,
many of them would have committed suicide rather than be captured.
Possible, some did.

And getting Pakistan to extradite them to the US,
would have been interesting.

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Re: Osama bin Laden, Rest In Pieces
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2011, 06:05:33 AM »

he will now be used as an excuse and a reason for yet more killings on both sides....to celebrate this makes us the same as the extremists
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Re: Osama bin Laden, Rest In Pieces
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2011, 07:27:47 AM »

he will now be used as an excuse and a reason for yet more killings on both sides....to celebrate this makes us the same as the extremists
There is no winning this "war". Both sides think they are on a mission from God. Can't get much more misguided than that.

Still not sad that he's dead but you and Len are right. This won't change anything and for a while it could even make things worse. It would have been smarter to take him alive. At least then he wouldn't be seen as a martyr.
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Re: Osama bin Laden, Rest In Pieces
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2011, 08:11:51 AM »

i'm always sadden to see a person die.

the way this was done will NOT help our relation with Pakistan,
and does nothing to cure the underlying issues that makes people terrorists.
like the saudi royal family.

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If there was one US action in Pakistan to not get the people pissed this would be it, Osama is accepted around the world as someone who directly attacked America.  Drone strikes or intel operatives when discovered cause issues but this will be nothing but a blip and could be welcome in Pakistan, remember Al Queda has close ties to the Pakistani Taliban who have killed countless civilians and tried to take over the whole country just a little while back.

And people now know they don't need to be terrorists to take down a government like the royal family, for proof they can look to the West at Tunisia, Egypt, or to their southern border with Yemen.
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Re: Osama bin Laden, Rest In Pieces
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2011, 08:23:01 AM »

he will now be used as an excuse and a reason for yet more killings on both sides....to celebrate this makes us the same as the extremists
There is no winning this "war". Both sides think they are on a mission from God. Can't get much more misguided than that.

Still not sad that he's dead but you and Len are right. This won't change anything and for a while it could even make things worse. It would have been smarter to take him alive. At least then he wouldn't be seen as a martyr.

It gives the US an excuse to get out of Afghanistan, while our military's objectives are not over the one given to the populace is.  Remember we went in to bring those who committed the terrorist acts on 9/11 to justice and while you can say there are still terrorists there Bin Laden was the big guy and a much lighter footprint with actions like drone strikes and special forces instead of fire bases and nation building would be a lot more realistic.  Simply you can not win against the Afgahnis due to the terrain and their unwillingness to give up.  If anyone has netflix I highly recommend watching Restrepo and then a film based on the Russian experience 9th Company.  While we are not as brutal to the populace and the reasons are different the actual fighting for at least part of the war is the same and just as seemingly useless.

The Muslim world is changing and non-extremist youth lead revolutions are the future.  The only reason it is not happening in Saudi Arabia is the government just literally bought out the people giving a big chunk of money to all of their citizens.  But Syria is about to go, Libya is about to go, Iran is just waiting for another big rally cry to unify as they are still having demonstrations, Bahrain is about to go, there is talk in Jordan (though there it will likely be a smooth longer term transition).  The Hamas's and Hezbollahs are not the driving force in the region any more.
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Re: Osama bin Laden, Rest In Pieces
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2011, 08:29:54 AM »

basically a figurehead has been killed ..a figurehead who represents a group that see the only way of dealing with what they see as wrong is violence...we have just excused and justified their next terrorist actions
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Re: Osama bin Laden, Rest In Pieces
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2011, 08:35:22 AM »

basically a figurehead has been killed ..a figurehead who represents a group that see the only way of dealing with what they see as wrong is violence...we have just excused and justified their next terrorist actions

So your solution is?

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Re: Osama bin Laden, Rest In Pieces
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2011, 08:36:21 AM »

basically a figurehead has been killed ..a figurehead who represents a group that see the only way of dealing with what they see as wrong is violence...we have just excused and justified their next terrorist actions
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Re: Osama bin Laden, Rest In Pieces
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2011, 08:39:33 AM »

I do not have a solution...however the active encouragement of extremist thinking on either side is counter-productive....to the people who are turned to extremism this will cause them to decide against us....the west has to prove to the world it is moral and civilised all actions done in consideration not anger and a spirit of vengeance....
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