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[The Angel Raliel]

how do you know he did? .....listen i am sure if we were discussing this face to face we would probably end up agreeing over much of this....but it is kind of meandering away from the point that open celebration of ANY death is a bad thing and the way forward is not killing but conversation

[N.U.]

Bin Laden was blown up into some giant boogeyman, though. The celebration may be distasteful to a small minority (true pacifists and Muslim extremists), but OBL's passing was absolutely, IMO, both called for and necessary for the collective psyche of the country.

[Shock G]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-may-2-2011/to-kill-a-mockingturd

Watch this.

[The Angel Raliel]

apparently us brits are too liberal to watch this

[N.U.]

it's true, you are, unless your name is either Jeremy Clarkson or Richard Hammond.
More from Obama on Bin Laden.

[Shock G]

[Agonistes]

A full autopsy?  To what end?

Is it/is it not OBL?  DNA test confirms that.

Cause of death? Traumatic ballistic removal of large quantities of cranial matter and blood.

Any other questions?

how can a dna test confirm it so quickly?  as i understand it, dna tests take at least a week for a confirmed answer.

i'm sure the guy is dead, but we are still being lied to.

[Shock G]

A full autopsy?  To what end?

Is it/is it not OBL?  DNA test confirms that.

Cause of death? Traumatic ballistic removal of large quantities of cranial matter and blood.

Any other questions?

how can a dna test confirm it so quickly?  as i understand it, dna tests take at least a week for a confirmed answer.

i'm sure the guy is dead, but we are still being lied to.

You have the guy's son so you can just run a few key genes and if they match you're good.  The big wait in civilian DNA testing is the long line of samples while this one was run probably the second they touched down on the ship.

[Agonistes]

yeah, was just reading about all that.  they matched his sister's dna profile overnight and whatnot, one of his alleged wives i.d'd the body, etc.  i get the burial at sea, to prevent a sort of shrine for followers to visit.  would be easier to find em though, if they had.

it's just, in this age of overload of information, there isn't much.  that's all i'm really saying.

i'm torn between my natural mistrust of being told the truth by the current administration (or any other one) and my penchant for the tried and true 'head on a pike' method preferred for centuries in situations like this.

[N.U.]

A full autopsy?  To what end?

Is it/is it not OBL?  DNA test confirms that.

Cause of death? Traumatic ballistic removal of large quantities of cranial matter and blood.

Any other questions?

how can a dna test confirm it so quickly?  as i understand it, dna tests take at least a week for a confirmed answer.

i'm sure the guy is dead, but we are still being lied to.

There's a "quick test" which can be done in a few hours, basically paternity tests to check for familial relation. This is why the facial recognition software was also important.

The long test, (which you're referring to, Ag) takes approximately 10 days to complete.

[Agonistes]

is there no chance it could have been a brother or relative of some sort?  i'm not saying at all that i believe conspiracy theory or anything, but the short tests all seem to conclude 'relative' and not 'specific relative.'  since the guy was willing to strap bombs onto his kids, yanno.

of course, nothing short of a new video release from him, with tits and timestamp, would convince us otherwise.  i'm really just thinking out loud while trying to avoid more news about this shit.  it kind of burns my ass that i even get so mistrustful when i hear news anymore.


also, and this probably comes from having a family member in the military, it bugs me that we're not scatting ass out of there as quickly as we dumped the body.  no word of forces withdrawing or anything yet...i mean if we're in such a goddamned hurry, and all.

[theseeker]

My history teacher almost started crying today when he was talking about 9/11... I don't even remember it.

[N.U.]

The government lies. See the USS Liberty incident. My dad was the communications specialist working on the aircraft carrier USS America at the time of the the attack. My dad has insisted to this day that the official story is pure BS. My dad has photos he took himself of the USS Liberty and a copy of his comm log from that day. All hatches methodically shot off, bombs dropped through the holes in the deck. several torpedos thrown into her side. Oversized ensign (flag) being flown by the USS Liberty at the time.

This doesn't mean the government lies every time they have an announcement, which is the large problem with people today. So black and white.

[Agonistes]

The government lies. See the USS Liberty incident. My dad was the communications specialist working on the aircraft carrier USS America at the time of the the attack. My dad has insisted to this day that the official story is pure BS. My dad has photos he took himself of the USS Liberty and a copy of his comm log from that day. All hatches methodically shot off, bombs dropped through the holes in the deck. several torpedos thrown into her side. Oversized ensign (flag) being flown by the USS Liberty at the time.

This doesn't mean the government lies every time they have an announcement, which is the large problem with people today. So black and white.

well, this.  i've known like five or six soldiers who have directly refuted what the official story was.  hence my inability to believe when i am told without alllllll the questions being answered at once, so to speak.

also, just out of curiosity, how in fuck did we manage to blow up yet another helicopter, this time with no casualties to US soldiers?

[N.U.]

More details about that. Both choppers were supposed to hover, but the chopper hovering over the compound was hovering too low. Basically it created an air dam and the chopper ate it's own rotor wash, stalling the engine. It only fell straight down from about 15 feet.

The SEALS destroyed the chopper as a matter of policy (i.e. keeping classified/controlled material out of the hands of the enemy) on their way out.

The mission, smartly, had asked for 4 helos; 2 primary and 2 reserve. A reserve chopper was called in to pick up the troops from the downed chopper.