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[Mockery]

I just found this link and I think it applies heavily to this topic. The original one, not the anorexia/overweight one.

Thank you for this captain. This is great.

[Tiervexx]

I wanted to say that I am tired of hearing grossly overweight people talk about how proud they are not to be anorexic. At least being anorexic takes willpower... anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.

I am glad that people are addressing the anorexia = not fun/not willpower part of this, but the other part is offensive too.  First of all, what grossly overweight people do you know that are constantly talking about how proud they are that they are not anorexic?  People who have clinical issues, who are not just overweight but binge eaters, don't stuff themselves like a pig and think it's accomplishment.

Believe it or not, I have met a few people who even told me they felt that way.

When I was making that post I was thinking of one girl I met recently.  She struck up a conversation with me in an elevator that started out with "skinny girls are overrated, don't you think?"  And progressed from there.

It pissed me off because she acted like she felt superior to skinny girls.

In my head I was talking to that girl...

When I was binging, I ate until I felt nauseous.  I ate beyond full, even sometimes after I threw up.  I was unhappy and food was a punishment.  I used to hate myself and eat at the same time.  There's nothing that's an accomplishment about that, so please kindly fuck off if you believe that all binge eaters/overweight people feel this way.

Why is this all or nothing mentality so common?  Me saying that there exists an (or some) X who does(do) Y does not equal saying that ALL X do Y.

[JohnnyDBBUK]

I am going to chime in with this comment.
people should be free to like what you like on either scale of the weight issue.
For myself I look at that girl and see a health issue.

right back to attraction
tall, short, fat, thin, athletic, ginger, hipster, Mohawk, banana shoes etc attraction is complicated some people have types, other people don't.
but
Is a person a bastard if they find girls/guys attractive who keep in shape/toned etc?
instantly demonised by the mob if they aren't visually snared by overweight women or men?
are they perpetuating the issue of skinny women or are they just liking what they like. (tho healthy is not skeletal thin)(BMI index ftw)

Beauty is a personal thing. One persons "Dita is hot!" is a another persons "no she has a horseface  "

[imaginary friend]

I am going to chime in with this comment.
people should be free to like what you like on either scale of the weight issue.
For myself I look at that girl and see a health issue.

right back to attraction
tall, short, fat, thin, athletic, ginger, hipster, Mohawk, banana shoes etc attraction is complicated some people have types, other people don't.
but
Is a person a bastard if they find girls/guys attractive who keep in shape/toned etc?
instantly demonised by the mob if they aren't visually snared by overweight women or men?
are they perpetuating the issue of skinny women or are they just liking what they like. (tho healthy is not skeletal thin)(BMI index ftw)

Beauty is a personal thing. One persons "Dita is hot!" is a another persons "no she has a horseface  "

1. the BMI is bullshit. I've known a couple of female bodybuilders who could peel you like a banana that had BMIs that said they were obese.

2. wasn't Mockery's whole point in starting this thread about the imposition through marketing of a certain physical beauty standard?

#@!

[Mockery]

I am going to chime in with this comment.
people should be free to like what you like on either scale of the weight issue.
For myself I look at that girl and see a health issue.

right back to attraction
tall, short, fat, thin, athletic, ginger, hipster, Mohawk, banana shoes etc attraction is complicated some people have types, other people don't.
but
Is a person a bastard if they find girls/guys attractive who keep in shape/toned etc?
instantly demonised by the mob if they aren't visually snared by overweight women or men?
are they perpetuating the issue of skinny women or are they just liking what they like. (tho healthy is not skeletal thin)(BMI index ftw)

Beauty is a personal thing. One persons "Dita is hot!" is a another persons "no she has a horseface  "

1. the BMI is bullshit. I've known a couple of female bodybuilders who could peel you like a banana that had BMIs that said they were obese.

2. wasn't Mockery's whole point in starting this thread about the imposition through marketing of a certain physical beauty standard?

#@!

YES!

Thank you Cletus!

[JohnnyDBBUK]

I am going to chime in with this comment.
people should be free to like what you like on either scale of the weight issue.
For myself I look at that girl and see a health issue.

right back to attraction
tall, short, fat, thin, athletic, ginger, hipster, Mohawk, banana shoes etc attraction is complicated some people have types, other people don't.
but
Is a person a bastard if they find girls/guys attractive who keep in shape/toned etc?
instantly demonised by the mob if they aren't visually snared by overweight women or men?
are they perpetuating the issue of skinny women or are they just liking what they like. (tho healthy is not skeletal thin)(BMI index ftw)

Beauty is a personal thing. One persons "Dita is hot!" is a another persons "no she has a horseface  "

1. the BMI is bullshit. I've known a couple of female bodybuilders who could peel you like a banana that had BMIs that said they were obese.

2. wasn't Mockery's whole point in starting this thread about the imposition through marketing of a certain physical beauty standard?

#@!

1. meh BMI has it's uses.
2. I expanded on it with some other crap - it's called a related tangent now lets play with said tangent.

[Mockery]

Look, I'd like to go back what I wanted to originally talk about because it was totally looked over. I want to talk about how the media brainwashes people into thinking that there is only one concept of beauty and that if you're fat or in between, then you are worth nothing.

[Agonistes]

Look, I'd like to go back what I wanted to originally talk about because it was totally looked over. I want to talk about how the media brainwashes people into thinking that there is only one concept of beauty and that if you're fat or in between, then you are worth nothing.

one of the first things they told us in college, at least the actors, is basically to give up because there are hungrier, thinner, better actor/dancer/singers out there and all of them are waiting tables right now with one eye on the spotlight, so to speak.  the difference of course being in stage theater was that you really don't have to have looks per se because they could make you look however they wanted at a distance of fifty feet, but that for film acting, unless you start out perfect, give up.


the sad thing was that they were right; you hear that and think 'god how cynical, anyone can be anything' but then you turn on the tv and realize, it just isn't so.

[Mockery]

Look, I'd like to go back what I wanted to originally talk about because it was totally looked over. I want to talk about how the media brainwashes people into thinking that there is only one concept of beauty and that if you're fat or in between, then you are worth nothing.

one of the first things they told us in college, at least the actors, is basically to give up because there are hungrier, thinner, better actor/dancer/singers out there and all of them are waiting tables right now with one eye on the spotlight, so to speak.  the difference of course being in stage theater was that you really don't have to have looks per se because they could make you look however they wanted at a distance of fifty feet, but that for film acting, unless you start out perfect, give up.


the sad thing was that they were right; you hear that and think 'god how cynical, anyone can be anything' but then you turn on the tv and realize, it just isn't so.

But there are loads of thick people who are famous! Oprah, Queen Latifah, Neicy Nash!

[Agonistes]

Look, I'd like to go back what I wanted to originally talk about because it was totally looked over. I want to talk about how the media brainwashes people into thinking that there is only one concept of beauty and that if you're fat or in between, then you are worth nothing.

one of the first things they told us in college, at least the actors, is basically to give up because there are hungrier, thinner, better actor/dancer/singers out there and all of them are waiting tables right now with one eye on the spotlight, so to speak.  the difference of course being in stage theater was that you really don't have to have looks per se because they could make you look however they wanted at a distance of fifty feet, but that for film acting, unless you start out perfect, give up.


the sad thing was that they were right; you hear that and think 'god how cynical, anyone can be anything' but then you turn on the tv and realize, it just isn't so.

But there are loads of thick people who are famous! Oprah, Queen Latifah, Neicy Nash!

I think the issue with that is that if you're 'bigger', you have to be exceptional.

quite so.  and, half of oprah's career has been taken up by issues with dieting and the like.  once a big woman gets into the spotlight, almost every time she's interviewed she has to talk about her weight at some point.

also, for every big woman in the spotlight, there are armies of skinny girls in the beer ads, the food commercials, etc etc.  it's not what you see in the spotlight, after all; it is the 'standard' you see all around the spotlight.

[Mockery]

I just don't get it.  If I ever become famous, I'm going to be a fashion designer for plus women to show that no matter what, plus sized women shouldn't have to change who they are for society.

[Agonistes]

i hope you don't think i am saying that anyone should have to change, i'm only pointing out the standard as it exists now, which i think we all can agree is unfair, but does exist.

the barefaced reality is they show what they think we all want to have sex with (or be so others will want to have sex with us), especially to sell stuff to us.

[Mockery]

I think people are starting top get wise. I mean yeah, the media is still managing to brain wash some people are starting to realizing that being yourself isn't all that bad.

[N.U.]

Marilyn Monroe wore a size 12 and was considered the pinnacle of beauty for her time.

[Captain Oblivious]

Marilyn Monroe wore a size 12 and was considered the pinnacle of beauty for her time.

But the idea of beauty changes drastically. In Victorian times, it was considered attractive to be overweight but that was more as a sign of wealth, I believe. Painted faces, various fashions etc