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[Tiervexx]

Marilyn Monroe wore a size 12 and was considered the pinnacle of beauty for her time.

I think most people who fancy girls would still prefer that body type and it IS pictured in the media quite a bit.

There is a middle ground between being absurdly thin and "plus sized" and much of the media knows that.  I think it is primarily the fashion industry that still thinks the skeleton look is best.

[CeeGBee]

There is a middle ground between being absurdly thin and "plus sized" and much of the media knows that.  I think it is primarily the fashion industry that still thinks the skeleton look is best.

The thing is, the people who publish magazines, produce TV shows and movies and whatnot....
They created this term "plus size" to make it sound like NORMAL-SIZED girls and women are
somehow "large"... and while they claim that they're trying to do something to rectify that
sort of unhealthy image-building by incorporating "plus size" models and actresses, they're
actually reinforcing it simply through the terminology -  The underlying message isn't that
it's okay to be a certain size, but that even though you're FAT you're worth something 'cuz
a lot of other women are FAT right along with you...

[tanqgirl]

tyra banks is a "plus size" model.......are you KIDDING ME?! she's fucking skinny! i would be considered a "plus size" model...i'm not skinny, but i'm not "plus size" when i think of that i think of people like my dad who is almost 400 lbs

[imaginary friend]

ashley graham - plus size (size 16) model, definite contender for hottest woman alive. 

#@!

[CottonCandy]

tyra banks is a "plus size" model.......are you KIDDING ME?! she's fucking skinny! i would be considered a "plus size" model...i'm not skinny, but i'm not "plus size" when i think of that i think of people like my dad who is almost 400 lbs

She's probably a "plus size" because she has quite big boobs. If you're a normal catwalk model, big boobs are a big no-no.

[Indja]

^Size 8 is plus-size?? I'm size 16, top and bottom. That's absurd. I'm a perfectly average size for women in the UK, although yes I'm a little over-weight for my height. But I mean I'm nothing like what the term "plus-size" suggests.

As for the fashion industry, they want people who make the clothes look good - so essentially they hire living, breathing coat-hangers.

[Mockery]

Again that's why I say fuck the media.

[tanqgirl]

just out of curiosity indja and hillary: you're talking in UK sizes right? how does that compare to US sizes? (not like i'm sitting here trying to figure out what exact size clothes you're wearing :p just wondering for the sake of comparison ) cause i generally wear a size L-XL top (if they're in that sizing way) because of my boobs, if i didnt have such big boobs i'd probably wear a S-M, with numbered ones i usually wear an 8-10, same with dresses, and pants i'm usually anywhere between a 9-13 in juniors and 8-12 in adult  (they dont really make any of the sizes uniform over here) and those are usually the most common sizes over here (i only know this cause there's never anything in my size in stock because they've usually already sold everything) and i believe that over here once you get above a 4, you're considered plus size, BUT at the same time we have stores that are supposed to only carry clothes for "plus size" people (lane bryant, torrid, big & tall) and those generally start at size 16? i believe (for woman, idk about mens)

[Indja]

The internets say that a UK 16 is an American 14, I believe.

[tanqgirl]

well i guess on the plus side, that makes the standards of how big a model should be fairly universal?

[CottonCandy]

As far as I've understood, US sizes are "two sizes larger" than UK ones... Therefore, the US size zero is UK size 4, and so on, my size 10-12 would be 6-8 in US. Not trying to argue with Indja, but this is what I've heard from several places, plus I have US size 8 bottoms and I'm definitely more of a 12 with trousers.

[Indja]

I wouldn't say it was UK plus-size until a UK size 18, personally. 10-16 are average, and then above that is plus-size. I've never come across anything that says I'm plus-size

[Indja]

People are stoopid.

[Mockery]

People are stoopid.

You just figured this out darling?

Am I the only who things that people who make clothing for the masses don't realize that people can't all wear the same thing? I recently went shirt shopping and I had to shop XL. Honestly, what the hell? And at the same time, they some shirts so thin and tight!

[Tiervexx]

The term plus-size is an evil one.  They use it to describe anybody plus one size or more size 6, when size 6 isn't a healthy size for a lot of people.   I agree with C, plus-size basically means that the fashion industry is calling you fat.  They're making it sound like a disease or misfortune, by highlighting celebrities and models who are the same size.  It's like sayig 'hey, look, even though they're suffering, too, they're doing this to encourage you!'

I've never understood why the catwalk didn't like big boobs.  I would never want to be nor pass for a model, myself, but I got a lot more male attention at school (my body started working on my boobs early so the guys were all like   what are THOSE THEY'RE AWESOME!) because I had big boobs than my friends who had small boobs.  Small boobs are not unattractive in any way, though.  Still, I suppose the reason the catwalk favours them is because they're small like everything else.  Silly, really.

What annoys me is that I don't feel like most people would refer to me as being particularly fat, but the fashion and media would refer to me as 'plus-size' because I wear a size 12 top with size 10 or recently 8 bottoms (all in the plus size spectrum).  If I tried to wear a size 10 top (from most stores, some have bigger size margins) my boobs would be strangled and restricted.  I like my boobs.  I like that I have hips and a butt.  The fashion industry has no right to call me fat because I have healthy curves - oh wait, they're not, they just calling me 'plus size'.

Sounds like you have a nice figure, and I may have been using "plus-sized" incorrectly.  I was thinking plus sized was a euphemism for very big but when I googled it, I saw pictures of women who I would consider to be built well.

By that definition girls who appear in magazines run by straight men or lesbians are frequently in the "plus-sized" range.  As I said, it seems to mostly be the fashion industry that thinks skin and bones is the way to be.