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Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
« Reply #195 on: July 18, 2011, 11:28:07 PM »

The term plus-size is an evil one.  They use it to describe anybody plus one size or more size 6, when size 6 isn't a healthy size for a lot of people.   I agree with C, plus-size basically means that the fashion industry is calling you fat.  They're making it sound like a disease or misfortune, by highlighting celebrities and models who are the same size.  It's like sayig 'hey, look, even though they're suffering, too, they're doing this to encourage you!'

I've never understood why the catwalk didn't like big boobs.  I would never want to be nor pass for a model, myself, but I got a lot more male attention at school (my body started working on my boobs early so the guys were all like  :o what are THOSE THEY'RE AWESOME!) because I had big boobs than my friends who had small boobs.  Small boobs are not unattractive in any way, though.  Still, I suppose the reason the catwalk favours them is because they're small like everything else.  Silly, really.

What annoys me is that I don't feel like most people would refer to me as being particularly fat, but the fashion and media would refer to me as 'plus-size' because I wear a size 12 top with size 10 or recently 8 bottoms (all in the plus size spectrum).  If I tried to wear a size 10 top (from most stores, some have bigger size margins) my boobs would be strangled and restricted.  I like my boobs.  I like that I have hips and a butt.  The fashion industry has no right to call me fat because I have healthy curves - oh wait, they're not, they just calling me 'plus size'.

Sounds like you have a nice figure, and I may have been using "plus-sized" incorrectly.  I was thinking plus sized was a euphemism for very big but when I googled it, I saw pictures of women who I would consider to be built well.

By that definition girls who appear in magazines run by straight men or lesbians are frequently in the "plus-sized" range.  As I said, it seems to mostly be the fashion industry that thinks skin and bones is the way to be.
Like I said, "Plus Size" is a thinly-veiled euphemism for "Fat", that the fashion industry
and their cronies in the media use for normal sized girls & women....

...and yeah, that's stoopid.
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Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
« Reply #196 on: July 19, 2011, 12:10:32 AM »

today one of the guys i work with and i were talking about food, and he was saying how the first few weeks after he started working there the boss would always have a huge plate of food sitting there waiting for him cause he thought he was too skinny! and i said "i wish i had that problem" and he says "OMG I SWEAR TO GOD IF YOU TRY TO TELL ME YOU'RE FAT OR SOMETHING I'M GONNA HIT YOU!" and i just started laughing because that wasnt what i was saying at all and his reaction was just hilarious! but i guess 2 of the people i work with who are honestly average sized keep saying they're fat around him (he is a twig btw) and he's mad because they're very obviously not fat!


and mockery i agree! i hate shopping because nothing ever fits me correctly because everything is made for stick figure types unless i want to go shop in the mom section, which fits me better, but i also look like i'm 21 going on 40 >:(
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Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
« Reply #197 on: July 19, 2011, 03:57:00 AM »

just because i think it's stupid that people are bitching about it, i've heard and known several overweight people who were "proud to not be anorexic" one was my college roommate, so dont act like people never say shit like that

Let me preface my entire post with saying I do not agree with the sentiment of being proud just because you aren't one specific body type, and shunning that body type in the same breath.  It's negative reinforcement, and I disagree with it.  But I also understand WHY an overweight women, or woman who feels she is overweight, would make that statement.


That said, you're right, there are overweight women who say that.  Probably because women who don't fit the standard social norms are so completely and blatantly ostracized in the media and society to the point of being demonized, that the only way to save whatever shred of dignity they have is to claim that they don't care, and try to turn the tables around and demonize the image that society has set up for women.  Is it wrong to return negativity with negativity?  No, not really.  Have women who are overweight been pushed into a corner where the only way for them to have any sort of love for themselves and their bodies is to insult the extreme aspect of the body type they're told they should have?  Yeah.

Hatred for women who are overweight is rampant, and when you have somebody telling you that you're a disgusting piece of shit for not fitting into a boxed in idea of beauty, you lash out against it.  Overweight women who make that statement aren't making it just because it's cool and hip.  It's a coping mechanism that wouldn't even exist if you didn't have women who make the statement,

"I'm proud to not be a gross, overweight fattie."

A statement that is far more accepted anywhere you go in society, and far more in use.  I've seen/heard very, very few overweight women make this statement (proud to not be anorexic), and from my own wealth of anecdata, since we seem to be using that as viable, factual evidence, every single woman I have known who has felt that way has tried and failed so many times to lose weight, that they give up and adopt that notion.  Why?  Because for the ones who actually DO want to be thin, they cannot get past the emotional and mental scars, or the psychological damage done in order to love themselves, which in turn would help them lose the weight effectively.

So for somebody here to post, "anyone can just stuff themselves like a pig and skip workouts as if that was an accomplishment.", for another person to say from a place of experience that it is definitely not an accomplishment, and no women or person who is very overweight feels that way, and then for another person to come behind them and say, "But I heard this one girl back in college say..." is offensive, yes it is.  Because that one girl back in college wasn't saying it, I'm sure, because she was actually proud to not be the extreme side of what is acceptable by our society's standards.  It was probably a way of dealing with the every day stress of constantly being verbally and emotionally abused for her weight, and the emotional, mental and physical trauma that comes with having an unwanted body type, feeling like nobody will love you, and adopting the opinion that if nobody will love me, well then fuck them all, and fuck the image (anorexic body types) that the media and society says I should mirror.

Because let's be honest here, if the media wasn't trying to hock the anorexic body type for women as the supreme body type in every magazine and movie and show that you watch, overweight women wouldn't be shunning that specific image.  And it's a shame that a person who actually dealt with being overweight, and the extremes it put on her mentally and physically was instantly shunned and invalidated by one sentence in her post.



Now all I need is to not be attacked or flamed for my post, and I'll be fine.  I'm kind of nervous posting any of it, as fighting is not something I need to do right now with my stress level.  But the subject reflects things I've been thinking about recently, and how interesting that I would come back after so many months, and this would be the first thing I read.


ETA:  Oy, I'm so tempted to just delete this post, and move on from this.  This subject is so triggering for me, it's not even funny.
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Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
« Reply #198 on: July 19, 2011, 04:13:30 AM »

I agree with everything you just said Miss Caddy.

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Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
« Reply #199 on: July 19, 2011, 04:18:17 AM »

I agree with everything you just said Miss Caddy. But you knew I would.


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That's because you're all beautiful and sweet and smart and other various and sundry descriptors that are full of positiveness.

Lawd, I haven't posted here in a while, and this is my first post.  I'm a magnet for drama.    :D


(Yeah, but if I stay too long, I'm likely to drop a caddybomb, and that's never pretty.)
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Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
« Reply #200 on: July 19, 2011, 04:24:07 AM »

I agree with everything you just said Miss Caddy. But you knew I would.


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That's because you're all beautiful and sweet and smart and other various and sundry descriptors that are full of positiveness.

Lawd, I haven't posted here in a while, and this is my first post.  I'm a magnet for drama.    :D


(Yeah, but if I stay too long, I'm likely to drop a caddybomb, and that's never pretty.)
Stay. (Just don't read the whole Slutwalks thread)
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Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
« Reply #201 on: July 19, 2011, 04:27:42 AM »

I agree with everything you just said Miss Caddy. But you knew I would.


<3


That's because you're all beautiful and sweet and smart and other various and sundry descriptors that are full of positiveness.

Lawd, I haven't posted here in a while, and this is my first post.  I'm a magnet for drama.    :D


(Yeah, but if I stay too long, I'm likely to drop a caddybomb, and that's never pretty.)
Stay. (Just don't read the whole Slutwalks thread)

Now you know I have to read the Slutwalks thread, right?  I've got to see what kind of ridiculous slut-shaming and victim-blaming is in there, because I totally know it's there.  D=
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Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
« Reply #202 on: July 19, 2011, 04:32:03 AM »

I agree with everything you just said Miss Caddy. But you knew I would.


<3


That's because you're all beautiful and sweet and smart and other various and sundry descriptors that are full of positiveness.

Lawd, I haven't posted here in a while, and this is my first post.  I'm a magnet for drama.    :D


(Yeah, but if I stay too long, I'm likely to drop a caddybomb, and that's never pretty.)
Stay. (Just don't read the whole Slutwalks thread)

Now you know I have to read the Slutwalks thread, right?  I've got to see what kind of ridiculous slut-shaming and victim-blaming is in there, because I totally know it's there.  D=
Just let me get behind this bombproof glass.

Ok. I'm good. Read away.
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Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
« Reply #203 on: July 19, 2011, 04:57:59 AM »

I agree with everything you just said Miss Caddy. But you knew I would.


<3


That's because you're all beautiful and sweet and smart and other various and sundry descriptors that are full of positiveness.

Lawd, I haven't posted here in a while, and this is my first post.  I'm a magnet for drama.    :D


(Yeah, but if I stay too long, I'm likely to drop a caddybomb, and that's never pretty.)
Stay. (Just don't read the whole Slutwalks thread)

Now you know I have to read the Slutwalks thread, right?  I've got to see what kind of ridiculous slut-shaming and victim-blaming is in there, because I totally know it's there.  D=
Just let me get behind this bombproof glass.

Ok. I'm good. Read away.


Oh, wow.  There's nothing there I would comment on, but just...wow.  Recently, on Facebook of all places, I had that same conversation with a friend of mine about how dress must affect a situation of rape.  I love said friend to death, but she commented on a story where a young woman had posted revealing photos on her Facebook, and a rapist found and raped her.  Said friend said she'd never attracted the attention of said rapist had she dressed better.  I said the clothing is just an excuse, and he was in the market for raping any girl, regardless.  Don't know the whole story, but to say that she could have avoided it by not posting those pictures is just an argument that begs to cut the mark closer and closer, to the point of saying you shouldn't post any pictures of yourself, lest you attract the wrong attention and get raped.  I couldn't convince her that her statement was full-blown victim-blaming, though.  Eventually I just gave up, and plugged my ears.
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Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
« Reply #204 on: July 19, 2011, 06:49:45 AM »

I think most "plus-size" models are UK size 14-18, or US 10-14. Considering that they still are model height, size 14 or 16 is probably very normal size for them to wear! 18 might be on the curvier side but still ok. People don't seem to realise that the clothes size you wear does not only depend on weight but height, too. I used to work with this girl who was probably about 5 foot (or 150cm) and very round, I assumed she'd wear clothes much, much bigger than I did but they were only a size 14 or 16(or so she said), and I doubt she was a very healthy weight at all. However, later I worked with a tall woman wearing size 14 and she looked average, if not slim to me...
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Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
« Reply #205 on: July 19, 2011, 07:48:22 AM »

caddybombs have their own kind of beauty

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« Reply #206 on: July 19, 2011, 09:04:35 AM »

Ha, what a warm welcome.

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Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
« Reply #207 on: July 19, 2011, 10:48:18 AM »

beauty is scientifically noted to lie in the .7 waist to hip ratio.

as a female, if your waist is 28 inches (for example), then 40 inch hips are the most attractive since 28 inches/0.7= 40 inches.
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Re: Beauty=Big Boobs, Tiny Waist
« Reply #208 on: July 19, 2011, 02:41:46 PM »

and mockery i agree! i hate shopping because nothing ever fits me correctly because everything is made for stick figure types unless i want to go shop in the mom section, which fits me better, but i also look like i'm 21 going on 40 >:(

It's such a pain in the ass huh?

And don't get me started on bra shopping.
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« Reply #209 on: July 20, 2011, 12:28:00 AM »

and mockery i agree! i hate shopping because nothing ever fits me correctly because everything is made for stick figure types unless i want to go shop in the mom section, which fits me better, but i also look like i'm 21 going on 40 >:(

It's such a pain in the ass huh?

And don't get me started on bra shopping.

i have to start making my own
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