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[The Angel Raliel]

Oh i agree jesse.......I think Hate is a very strong word for someone to use in this context though......I reserve it only for bigotry and wasps...oh and marmite......

Being a disguntled fan is one thing but to hate someone for not being exactly the same as they were a few years ago? bit odd...I would have to ask what spurred this sudden burst of dislike? I do not think Amanda has done anything specifically today other than sprain her foot while jogging in the rain.....

[lentower]

Camille et al

What do you think of her song 'Massachusetts Avenue'?
Amanda's been doing it live since last summer.
you should find a number of versions on YouTube.
might listen to a few versions,
it's evolved,

I've also heard some of her newest songs,
at the 3 night NJ/NY/MA June tour,
with the new A_F_P_ band
(or do they have a name now, that
doesn't change hourly? ; - )

imho, they are among her best work.
(she asked that they NOT be recorded or shared,
as they were still in process)

bottom line: check out her next album,
and anything new that comes on the way there

[BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR!]

i think things would have been a bit more clear if thread titles had alternate font colors
like green  

[Savannah]

You need to know it's not the best place to do it.

But now that you needed to vomit this bad, okay. Bye to you too.

It was something I wanted to discuss, so I placed it in the general discussion.

I didn't mean it was placed in a wrong part of forum.

But what you do is a little annoying. Nobody is forcing you to listen to or follow her.
Not that i'm a huge fan. But i like it here. And she doesn't have to take a special care of 'older' or 'never' fans. I think she often takes really good care of all of her fans.

Well, I'm a huge fan and I hate it here now.
I didn't say anyone was forcing me to listen to her. I still enjoy the music from the past and the community and friends I made on here.
AND GOD FORBID I EXPRESS AN OPINION DIFFERING FROM YOURS.
Who are you to say what I can and cannot post?
I was trying to have a discussion about Amanda in a forum about Amanda.
Seems pretty reasonable to me.

I don't remember saying 'you cannot post something'. I just said 'it's not the best place to do it'. And if you wanted to have a discusion you should have been ready for disagreements. I simply disagree but now that you say who am i to do so, well have a good time expressing your hatred.

You didn't argue against my opinion, you told me to leave because you didn't like it.
Why is this not the perfect place to have any discussion about my opinions regarding Amanda Palmer- whether they're good or bad?
I think you took the word "hate" a little too seriously.

Tbh, your first post seemed like a farewell and that's was why i said 'Bye to you too'. I didn't mean to tell you leave.
Yes i took the word "hate" a little seriously, but wasn't it serious?
Why i said 'nobody is forcing you to listen to or follow her' was because you said 'her music sucks now'. It's your idea, and just because you said 'it sucks' nobody has to agree with you.

[marie_x]

Oh i agree jesse.......I think Hate is a very strong word for someone to use in this context though......I reserve it only for bigotry and wasps...oh and marmite......

Being a disguntled fan is one thing but to hate someone for not being exactly the same as they were a few years ago? bit odd...I would have to ask what spurred this sudden burst of dislike? I do not think Amanda has done anything specifically today other than sprain her foot while jogging in the rain.....

It wasn't something that was sudden; it's been stewing for a long time and today I was having a discussion about it and decided to take it here.
It was just the general shift from serious music to songs about pubic hair and that godawful ukelele, among a lot of other things.

[lentower]

i think things would have been a bit more clear if thread titles had alternate font colors
like green  

brown?

[marie_x]

Could we ALL calm down a little?!?

Nothing wrong with people venting here,
even if it's against Amanda +/or Brian.
As long as it doesn't get too personal, etc.
see the Box Rules in News

And [+1] for naming the thread,
so people know what's it about.

i would have title it:
i hate Amanda's recent work/art/bogs/tweets
but i focus on a person's behavior, not the person.
ymmv

The pro-Amanda comments in this thread have
all been good too.

Thank you. I wasn't posting the title to be incredibly negative, I was posting it to make the point of the thread clear.

[lentower]

in a's defense:

she's has had a lot to figure out,
and that doesn't really stop,
since the label released her.

WKAP ended up being a much longer and involved process
than she though at the beginning,
and as it grew.

reading between the lines,
i think she needed to recharge,
including the creative juices

she has also been a little distracted
(well, it at least, takes time -- a lot of time)
meeting a man that blew her away
enough to marry him
(did anyone expect that four years ago?)

anything else anyone?

[The Angel Raliel]

oh ok.....basically you strongly dislike the way her music has gone...personally i love the Uke stuff, particularly the Radiohead covers, but that is indeed yours and my choice to make.........I think there are plenty of people who much prefer her piano based stuff.....As for the twitter feed......unfollow amanda or stop watching the afp central list if it bothers you that much, real news will inevitably end up here or on the website......why do you feel personally betrayed though? yes there have been massive flaws with some of the merching and indeed competitions etc that people put loads of effort into...but I think these were genuine problems rather than a lack of caring.......

[lentower]

Could we ALL calm down a little?!?

Nothing wrong with people venting here,
even if it's against Amanda +/or Brian.
As long as it doesn't get too personal, etc.
see the Box Rules in News

And [+1] for naming the thread,
so people know what's it about.

i would have title it:
i hate Amanda's recent work/art/bogs/tweets
but i focus on a person's behavior, not the person.
ymmv

The pro-Amanda comments in this thread have
all been good too.

Thank you. I wasn't posting the title to be incredibly negative, I was posting it to make the point of the thread clear.

Most welcome.

I concur that your choice of thread title,
made it all clear.

[lentower]

oh ok.....basically you strongly dislike the way her music has gone...personally i love the Uke stuff, particularly the Radiohead covers, but that is indeed yours and my choice to make.........I think there are plenty of people who much prefer her piano based stuff.....As for the twitter feed......unfollow amanda or stop watching the afp central list if it bothers you that much, real news will inevitably end up here or on the website......why do you feel personally betrayed though? yes there have been massive flaws with some of the merching and indeed competitions etc that people put loads of effort into...but I think these were genuine problems rather than a lack of caring.......

if you are ONLY going to follow one source of a's real news,
(imho)
it's the mailing list

off to have a nap

great thread so far

maybe even better later

[imaginary friend]

There I said it.
Her music sucks now...and she hasn't released any new music that's worth listening to.
Okay.

I agree with these opinions...I don't hate her, though. she's doing what she wants to do, and I'm making my own music and listening to the music of other people.

not going to dismiss her completely; 8in8 had some really good songs. hopefully, some of that energy carries into her next album.

cool to see you back here, even under these circumstances.

#@!

[Pope Totalfrog]

Personally I find people that 'hate' musicians/artists for the reasons you outlined to be a little bit creepy. To me hating someone is very personal. Meaning that they have personally set out to upset/hurt/harm you. I don't think that has happened in this instance.

It comes back to the fact that Amanda doesn't owe you anything. There has been a massive shift in her musical style lately, I can see why people wouldn't like it. Plenty of people here don't. They don't use the word hate personally though.

If you had paid for things that weren't delivered to you, like the unreleased tapes and you didn't receive them then I could understand a certain level of anger. But you didn't.

Maybe it is just that I don't understand people expressing actual anger at a change in an artist they like. Maybe you over invested in a one sided relationship. Maybe you have changed and all of this just isn't for you any more.

Hate is a very strong word.

But it does get a lot of people to read threads on a fan board, doesn't it...

[The Angel Raliel]

Personally I find people that 'hate' musicians/artists for the reasons you outlined to be a little bit creepy. To me hating someone is very personal. Meaning that they have personally set out to upset/hurt/harm you. I don't think that has happened in this instance.

It comes back to the fact that Amanda doesn't owe you anything. There has been a massive shift in her musical style lately, I can see why people wouldn't like it. Plenty of people here don't. They don't use the word hate personally though.

If you had paid for things that weren't delivered to you, like the unreleased tapes and you didn't receive them then I could understand a certain level of anger. But you didn't.

Maybe it is just that I don't understand people expressing actual anger at a change in an artist they like. Maybe you over invested in a one sided relationship. Maybe you have changed and all of this just isn't for you any more.

Hate is a very strong word.

But it does get a lot of people to read threads on a fan board, doesn't it...

my thoughts exactly......but I DO hate wasps and marmite and thus marmite's antipodean twin,Vegemite

[JohnnyDBBUK]

Hate is baggage Camille.

You maybe should have posted you dislike the current direction AFP has taken
or that you think PunkCabaret and the Dolls were much better during the middle of the last decade.
But to hate someone for not doing similar things that they did in the past is just silly.

especially someone who gives so much time and affection to her fanbase.

Nothing stays the same, its a  fact of life.
10 years from now Amanda will have retired and will be sipping Green Tea on the lawn with Sir Neil of Gaidom, wondering where it all went.
and you will be older and wiser.

until then, put on the old stuff you like and Sing