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[lentower]

here's a twist

from
http://twitter.com/#!/amandapalmer/status/140237598076571648
if the dresden dolls don't make you
happy, nothing will. trust me.
RT @Ailsa_J_L Are you going announce
solo dates in NZ?? #pleeeease

[l i s a]

seen this? http://blog.amandapalmer.net/post/15435816009/i-hate-amanda-infinity-net



EDIT shorten URL so it loads faster -lentower

[lentower]

Not often the sbox leads me to one of a's blogs.

About how I thought she would end up,
if she ever found this thread.

[CeeGBee]

seen this? http://blog.amandapalmer.net/post/15435816009/i-hate-amanda-infinity-net



EDIT shorten URL so it loads faster -lentower

Silly me... I just asssumed she had seen this long ago and either ignored it or
watched it (like an ant farm or maybe an aquarium) to see where it went....


HI AMANDA!  Love your work!

...okay, love most of your work...
...and eagerly await the next chance to decide whether or not I like your "new stuff".

[BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR!]

i am so curious as to who the "people who simply whine [and] end up look[ing] like whiners" are as opposed to the ones engaging in spirited, intelligent dialogue.

i dunno. good for amanda that she was able to take this thread and enjoy the fact that people were discussing her academically and use it as a reminder to herself about why dissenting opinions should be ignored because they feel bad. take that as you will. i guess that if i were in any state of mind to build a forum dedicated to myself that i'd probably be liable to forget that some people hated me, too.

sincerely,
a whiny, bitter, self-entitled, sad, pathetic, immature, argumentative, angry, irrelevant (all things i've been called as a result of this, feel free (seriously) to point out what i did to deserve it and why i'm a hypocrite for even mentioning this) internet person

so that i'm clear:

i don't ever expect that my comments will be read by amanda or ANYONE and i don't believe i deserve replies, acknowledgement, etc. but i do believe that it's okay for me to express these opinions.

if i'm right, then my feeling the need to state that seems very defensive and almost hypocritical; if i'm stating that i deserve to express my opinion, then if i haven't been told otherwise, i'm implying that the opposition has done something wrong in behaving the exact same way except for the fact that it's inconvenient for me.

my feeling is that honestly, and i really do say this trying to be as objective as possible, is that there is connotation or insinuation that the angry non-fans are selfish and wrong for expressing their opinions. this comes from the being called self-entitled, the rhetorical questioning about whether or not amanda should just do everything we ask, and the reminders that she is a human being who we do not own etc. i understand that my opinion is biased, but i honestly don't feel like i ever make these implications when attacking or arguing against amanda/her supporters. but i'm possibly delusional.

i truly don't believe that any of the posts really attacking amanda's decisions were the ones she was thinking of when she talked about the intelligent people posting here. if it's even true (and again, maybe it's not!!!!) i have no clue whether or not that's dishonest or wrong. i don't know if people are supposed to dismiss their haters. i'm being very honest, i honestly don't know what's correct so i'm just stating that so no one even needs to cleverly ask if amanda should just put her life on hold/kill herself because of what people who disagree with her think.

[The Angel Raliel]

well i think that pretty much ties this thread up nicely.....

[Musings]

Jesse.  You know that I love you.

That being said, don't project your thoughts onto Amanda's blog.  I get that you are frustrated by her choice of words, but it is entirely possible that she was not talking about your posts.  Even if she was, so what?  You're not Amanda's bitch, and she's not entitled to your love (or even academic discussion) of her (see what I did there?).

I don't think that she was connoting that non-fans are selfish, only that reading criticism makes her sad and go LALALA and plug her ears.  

Which, when you think about it, reading her criticism of possibly you as a whiner made you annoyed/sad/insert appropriate emotion.

We want to ignore the haters because we believe that our paths are right.  We are insecure human beings with fragile egos and to believe anything other than what we were doing is right would destroy us.  However simply by reading and blogging about it, Amanda admitted she listened and processed and came out to affirm herself and her choices.  She didn't ignore the haters at all, but she didn't respond with a "I'm going to return to piano and angst either".

Amanda is all about communicating, but has trouble with some of the responses she gets.  She is by no means unique in this though.

[The Angel Raliel]

yep basically a human trying to create art in the ways she knows best and to explore her creativity.... we all want to be accepted and want people to like what we do...tis hard when negative reactions occur no matter how famous/successful/etc

[lentower]

yep basically a human trying to create art in the ways she knows best and to explore her creativity.... we all want to be accepted and want people to like what we do...tis hard when negative reactions occur no matter how famous/successful/etc

Even harder, when you love you fans, as Amanda and Brian do.


Jesse:

Amanda was NOT pointing you out as one of the whiners.  
She has a lot of respect for people who
end up joining this community here on the sbox.
You choose to do that three thousand or so
of your posts ago.

To be even clearer:
This respect and love includes you.


It's too nice a winter day here near Boston
to spend more of it indoors typing.
The sun will set all too soon.

I'll check back later,
and hope that the rest of you will
have added the things I have yet to say on this.

[Amanda Palmer]

jesse:


len's right.

(as usual).


xxx
a

[Hayley Fiasco!]

This thread isn't the only discussion of its kind to have popped up here in this forum space -ever- or in the course of the past few years... though I would say that MOST of the people posting here in these 29 pages have also contributed to similar discussions on threads that were centered around specific projects, merchandise bundles, albums, songs and artistic/creative decisions etc.

What I find to be particularly intriguing, is that since amanda's blog, I've been seeing feedback pop up through so many different communication channels - twitter, facebook, here, email, etc. of folks becoming inspired - artists and non-artists alike - at the idea and attitude of taking criticism as part of the whole journey, the whole process of making art, and carrying on. That people are walking away from reading the blog with inspired and positive attitudes of their own art and creativity, rather then to throwing out their fists to jump in on heated discussions as to why they do or do not "hate" Amanda themselves. And really, throughout this entire thread discussion and reading Amanda's blog, "Do You Swear To Tell The Whole Truth And Nothing But The Truth So Help Your Black Ass" played along in my head as a little sound track.

To wrap this up - one of the most exciting things about the threads/discussions that are posted here with criticisms towards Amanda or her art, is that no matter how negative a person may be (even if they intelligently articulate their distaste for a current project) those folks are still HERE. They still post on this community forum, they still feel part of the Amanda Palmer/Dresden Dolls fan-dom, brigade, camaraderie etc. despite their reservations on Amanda's current career projections and any other disenfranchised feelings they may have towards the music/art. So, really, the emphasis is here that the glue, the foundation of bringing people together, the whole spirit of the Punk Cabaret, is strong enough that even the harshest of all critics are still part of it... and they still love/like/tolerate fans, members of this community, despite having polar opposite opinions on the music and/or the musician that brought them here to begin with.

[lentower]

Hayley sums up well, what is great about the Punk Cabaret.

It is a large part of why I'm a fan.
That includes the fact the Amanda and Brian are even better people,
than they are artists, which is what got me interested 60 1/2 months ago.


For those who haven't clued in yet,
TOURING is HARD.

Amanda loves being on stage,
but hates getting from one stage to the next.

As she has become more successful,
she has found more and more ways to
make it a little easier.
But it still remains HARD.

So reading this thread on TOUR,
probably made it harder for her to process,
and get perspective on.

[imaginary friend]

haters are awesome.

as David Lee Roth said back in 1980, "We only read the bad reviews - they're much better written and more entertaining!"

 

[Rob]

Silly me... I just asssumed she had seen this long ago and either ignored it or
watched it (like an ant farm or maybe an aquarium) to see where it went....


HI AMANDA!  Love your work!

...okay, love most of your work...
...and eagerly await the next chance to decide whether or not I like your "new stuff".

Yeah...even though she's not posting in here hardly ever anymore, I always thought of her as at least lurking.  Oh well...like she said...we are self sustaining.

[lentower]

Silly me... I just asssumed she had seen this long ago and either ignored it or
watched it (like an ant farm or maybe an aquarium) to see where it went....

HI AMANDA!  Love your work!

...okay, love most of your work...
...and eagerly await the next chance to decide whether or not I like your "new stuff".

Yeah...even though she's not posting in here hardly ever anymore, I always thought of her as at least lurking.  Oh well...like she said...we are self sustaining.

She still lurks,
(she said so in this blog)
but significantly less than before twitter.

The sbox can always use more recruitment among
the Punk Cabaret who don't know about it.