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[Savannah]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Davis_case

What do you think about it?

Are death penalties equitable?

To me, they are not. Especially in such cases when the evidences and witnesses are unstable.

This guy was killed 4 times, each time they delayed the execution and denied his petitions.

[lentower]

if it is wrong for an individual to kill,
it's wrong for the state to kill

there is also an immense problem with the
justice system: judges, lawyers, etc
admitting they made a mistake

and politicians giving people like davis parole, clemency, etc
as it costs them votes

[imaginary friend]

Given that all human enterprises are imperfect, I'd like to know what death penalty supporters consider an acceptable innocent-to-guilty ratio.

1/10? 1/10,000? What?

It can't be zero, or they wouldn't support it in the first place.

[N.U.]

Here's the issue. The case, when initially tried, had what it needed and seemed credible.

Trying to overturn a conviction based upon new evidence or evidence dropping away is next to impossible, short of DNA.

Plus his last words don't strike me as someone who was innocent.

"I did not personally kill your son, your husband, your father" sounds an awful lot like, "I didn't do it, but I know who did."

[The Angel Raliel]

A state sanctioned murder is still murder....the death penalty has never ever shown to be a useful deterrent to crime and any civilised country should immediately abolish it

[N.U.]

and there should be magical fairies who wave a wand and make the Middle East peaceful, but that ain't happening anytime soon, either.

I agree, the DP should be gotten rid of (again). It's been proven to be fallible, racially unbalanced, and expensive.

[The Angel Raliel]

indeed but for a supposedly moral and civilised country that makes so much of other countries attrocities to routinely kill it's own criminals is absurd

[lentower]

indeed but for a supposedly moral and civilised country that makes so much of other countries attrocities to routinely kill it's own criminals is absurd

though i agree,
a majority of the states in the US federal system
don't allow capital punishment,
and many of the rest only allow it for
'heinous' crimes, e.g. killing police and children

and I doubt the US Supreme Court will take
capital punishment away from the states,
or that a constitutional amendment would pass

[Savannah]

All of the capital penalty arguements aside, do you think this guy would be sentenced with it if he was not black, and the guy he supposedly killed was an ordinary civil instead of a cop? And what if he was another black man?

Do you think discrimination hasn't involved in this case?

I know the states are not the same, but if discrimination is not a criteria, why did the system released Casey Anthony with just 2 years of imprisonment? "my dad did blah blah and i felt blah blah" shouldn't have been a reason to release her, because: if she's not pretending her psychology must be fucked up enough to hurt another people too, and if she's pretending it's even worst. And for god's sake what about Charles Manson is still alive though he killed +7 people?

And some people just say "hundreds of people die each day, why so sorry for a killer?"

1- He was not proven guilty as charged yet, at least there were still a lot of doubts.

2- Tit for tathas never been a reasonable system. If lawsuits exist to do it, well than we don't need them to take revenge.

3- Executions never bring back the victims. They don't do anything better.

4- And death penalties don't prevent people from killing or hurting another ones. How many people (either guilty or innocent) have been executed up to the present? And people have kept on committing crimes still. Actually it reminds me of a chapter from Thomas More's Utopia: hanging the thieves does not stop people stealing. You should give them a better education and much better life standards. Hungry people will keep on stealing no matter how many of them you hung.
And i believe the use of the rehabilitation of the criminal people. That's what they need along with the imprisonment.


5- And another reason why i feel sad each time i hear a death news: "every single man's death diminishes me, because i'm involved in mankind." by John Donne.

[Tiervexx]

Given that all human enterprises are imperfect, I'd like to know what death penalty supporters consider an acceptable innocent-to-guilty ratio.

1/10? 1/10,000? What?

It can't be zero, or they wouldn't support it in the first place.

It's impossible to convince death penalty supporters that innocent people can be convicted more often than an arbitrary small rate.  I think it's something they believe out of convenience.

It would help if our court system would stop pretending that eye witness testimony is the ultimate form of evidence.  It's not.  It's barely worth calling evidence.

[Cherry Chesterfield]

It would help if our court system would stop pretending that eye witness testimony is the ultimate form of evidence.  It's not.  It's barely worth calling evidence.

It appears that help may be on the way.   

http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/press-release/to-err-is-human-us-supreme-court-reexamines-eyewitness-identification-236225.php

[lentower]

It would help if our court system would stop pretending that eye witness testimony is the ultimate form of evidence.  It's not.  It's barely worth calling evidence.

It appears that help may be on the way.  

http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/press-release/to-err-is-human-us-supreme-court-reexamines-eyewitness-identification-236225.php

i expect they will not help much, if at all.
we'll see

[Tiervexx]

It would help if our court system would stop pretending that eye witness testimony is the ultimate form of evidence.  It's not.  It's barely worth calling evidence.

It appears that help may be on the way.  

http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/press-release/to-err-is-human-us-supreme-court-reexamines-eyewitness-identification-236225.php

i expect they will not help much, if at all.
we'll see

Sadly, I agree with you.  I think the court system will want to pretend EWT is a stronger form of evidence than it is out of convenience.

[Savannah]

And Amanda Knox has been cleared? Dude i can not understand this system.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15158163

[N.U.]

I don't understand Italy's justice system at all. They convicted with, essentially, no evidence.

I'm glad the conviction was overturned on appeal.