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help save toscanini’s - a piece of dolls history
« on: January 25, 2008, 12:44:43 AM »

if any of you are local to boston, you may have heard that toscanini's has been shut down because of tax reasons and they are trying desperately to raise money to make a down payment so they can re-open.
this place is a huge piece of dresden dolls, and my personal, history. let me tell you about it.

toscanini's is a store (there used to be three branches, harvard, MIT and central sq. - now only the flagship central location remains) that makes very special ice-cream. flavors like burnt caramel, chocolate elvis, banana's foster and champagne sorbet have bowled people over for years. it's been called "the best ice-cream in the world" by the new york times. the owner, gus, is a huge music lover and has been a non-stop suppporter of the boston & cambridge arts community.

he gave me my first (and only, thank god) day job, being a barista and scooping ice cream, when i was almost out of college and 20 years old.
when i wanted to get into street performing, i asked gus if he would let me use the basement staff bathroom at toscanini's in harvard square as a dressing room, since i had no other place i could leave my gear and make-up. thus began a beautiful succession of summers where i would perform as a living statue and use toscanini's, two blocks away from my spot, as my home base. the customers would see this freaky chick emerge from the basement in full bridal gown covered with white paint carrying a huge vase of flowers weave through through the lines of ice-cream-manic children without a second glance from the staff.....it was a constant david lynch moment. i loved it.

right after i met brian, i recommended him and he started working at toscanini's too. he worked mostly at the MIT store and sold our first 5-song demos from behind the counter. some of our first fans EVER came from MIT via the ice-cream connection. i could go on and on about how much of an institution this place is for gigging musicians (gus would always hire musicians and let their touring schedules dictate their work schedules). some of my fondest memories of our early band days were going into visit brian on his work shift there and hearing him play SWANS and Miles Davis on the huge bose speaker system while i would slurp free coffee and sit and read the paper.

we just stopped by the store a few weeks ago after practice and said hi to gus, who was so kind to us and gave brian a free pint of ice cream and me a free cup of tea. we had no idea any of this was going on. we call gus the "santa claus of ice cream".

if you can, please donate a little bit of money, and fast - all the info is here.


thank you.

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Re: help save toscanini’s - a piece of dolls history
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2008, 01:25:20 AM »

you've made me crave ice cream... and a possible donation.

we'll so how my paycheck looks this weekend.

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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2008, 06:24:55 AM »

i can't see why this man deserves money. hasn't he been pocketing what should have been paid to taxes for years? i find it outrageous that people are donating to someone who stole from them.
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2008, 11:51:53 AM »

Assuming the story on the website is accurate, and it sounds plausible,
the problem isn't theft, it's poor decision making...  He took money that
should have been held back for payroll taxes, and spent it on things like
stuff to sell, electric/water/gas bill...  maybe paying his staff.

I'd help if I could, although it looks like he'll be OK without me...  but I'm
extraordinarily broke.
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2008, 02:52:13 PM »

i've been bowled over by burnt caramel.  i can't help at all because i have 0 dollars to my name, but i hope they're able to open again soon!
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Re: help save toscanini’s - a piece of dolls history
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2008, 07:00:54 PM »

SWANS and ice cream?

That has to be a first.

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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2008, 09:53:08 PM »

i can't see why this man deserves money. hasn't he been pocketing what should have been paid to taxes for years? i find it outrageous that people are donating to someone who stole from them.

  This is a good piece of programming that you are showing.  He's stolen NOTHING.  By saying that he's stolen money you are making a huge, unfounded leap. I guess if you accept that the government pre-owns your life and productivity you might say that by not giving them all they demand and on time it's stealing, but who in their right mind would accept that premise? Your life and productivity are yours.  You might give some to government because you agree with their cause or because you fear their use of force, but in no case are you handing over something that belongs to the government.
  There's too little sympathy for small business owners.  It's easy to pay taxes when an employer deducts them for you and/or you have a feeble income. Tax day becomes a refund for many. I know nothing of you and am not accusing you of that. Just remember that when an employee gets a paycheck and %7.5 is taken out for social security an employer has to pay a matching %7.5. But on your employer's income, or anyone with form 1099 income,  they have to pay both the %7.5 plus another %7.5 self employment tax on top of income tax. So let's say an employer is paying %25 from the tax tables and then %7.5 and the other %7.5 plus %7 or %8 for the state taxes plus sales tax on their take home plus mandated health care plus tax fines that inevitably result because the tax code is too freaking complicated and you are looking at a %50 tax rate for the people who take risks and make jobs.  A wise person said "a fine is a tax for doing something wrong and a tax is a fine for doing something right."
  The other reason why this man deserves money is simply self interest. All over the US small and interesting places are closing and being replaced by really boring business chains that are typically not owned by people or corporations that have to live next to them.  These large chains don't always care very much about what they are doing as long as it is profitable. Is that who you want to make your ice cream?  Would you like to see the best places near you replaced by Wendy's, payless shoes and the like?  What about visiting new places? Why bother if all they have is the same Applebee's or whatever. The chains have advantages over small business.  They have economies of scale that afford legal and accounting divisions to streamline taxes, borrowing power to cover deficits.   There's all kinds of reasons for sympathize for the shopkeepers. I don't think they should pay a dime in taxes.
  For resisting government he got $10 from me. It's almost nothing, but I have government stealing really hard from me just now for 2005 and 2006 so it's hard to give very much.
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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2008, 09:58:56 PM »

i can't see why this man deserves money. hasn't he been pocketing what should have been paid to taxes for years? i find it outrageous that people are donating to someone who stole from them.
I guess if you accept that the government pre-owns your life and productivity you might say that by not giving them all they demand and on time it's stealing, but who in their right mind would accept that premise?

Me.

Before you assume, my family owns a small business. We're not doing well, at all. My dad has had a single day off in the past two years; he works twelve hours a day, seven days a week, to barely break even.

But he doesn't not pay his taxes.

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sorry. ill keep things to myself next time.
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2008, 10:05:40 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2008, 10:18:29 PM »

i can't see why this man deserves money. hasn't he been pocketing what should have been paid to taxes for years? i find it outrageous that people are donating to someone who stole from them.
I guess if you accept that the government pre-owns your life and productivity you might say that by not giving them all they demand and on time it's stealing, but who in their right mind would accept that premise?

Me.

sorry. ill keep things to myself next time.
  By saying "Me" to the premise it sounds like you are saying that you accept that the government owns you.  Are you sure?   I think you own you, completely.
  I am not trying to sound mean.   I think it's a good exchange and am trying to offer a defense for someone accused of theft.
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2008, 10:26:10 PM »

I could only send $5. I wish I could send more, but I'm poor... I hope it helps some....... I remember Helena telling me stories about Toscanini's........
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2008, 06:44:52 PM »

it's awesome to see that they've raised enough money to keep going.
especially since it really is the best ice cream on the planet.
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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2008, 02:07:17 AM »

I'm glad they're able to re-open.  I'll ask my sister if she went there when she was at Boston U.  But then, she's lactose intolerant and can't have much ice cream. :(  How horrible is that?
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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2008, 11:39:51 AM »

i can't see why this man deserves money. hasn't he been pocketing what should have been paid to taxes for years? i find it outrageous that people are donating to someone who stole from them.
I guess if you accept that the government pre-owns your life and productivity you might say that by not giving them all they demand and on time it's stealing, but who in their right mind would accept that premise?

Me.

Before you assume, my family owns a small business. We're not doing well, at all. My dad has had a single day off in the past two years; he works twelve hours a day, seven days a week, to barely break even.

But he doesn't not pay his taxes.

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sorry. ill keep things to myself next time.

i love that this discussion started.
next topic: OBAMA vs HILLARY:GO!

seriously, thank you guys for anything you did to help.
we're really happy they achieved their goal so quickly.

my opinion, btw, is that gus was not wise to try to slip through the tax-paying but 100% cool to admit his own mistake on the website.
lots of people would skank out but anyone willing to do a mea culpa is great in my book.
small businesses are VERY hard to run, restaurants especially.

i would guess that the vast majority of them do sneaky tax shit for survival.


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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2008, 11:44:26 AM »

for the record, i admit that i was a bit misinformed when i initially statedmy opinion. i shouldn't have stated it like that.

also for the record, i do like Toscanini's  ;D
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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2008, 12:26:14 PM »

i love that this discussion started.
next topic: OBAMA vs HILLARY:GO!

small businesses are VERY hard to run, restaurants especially.

more interesting
obama vs mccain:go

my dad and brother, as well as many members of my extended family,
are small businessmen (and women ;-)
most successful at it

you can imagine what get's discussed when bread is broken
and what's on the tour when you visit
they are EXCURIATINGLY difficult to run
blood, sweat, and tears...
but clearly a rush to succeed at

among my relatives, several have tried restaurants,
none have made one work,
all of the ex-restauranteurs have gone on
to succeed at other businesses

no comment on taxes
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2008, 12:45:32 PM »

i love that this discussion started.
next topic: OBAMA vs HILLARY:GO!

seriously, thank you guys for anything you did to help.
we're really happy they achieved their goal so quickly.

my opinion, btw, is that gus was not wise to try to slip through the tax-paying but 100% cool to admit his own mistake on the website.
lots of people would skank out but anyone willing to do a mea culpa is great in my book.
small businesses are VERY hard to run, restaurants especially.

i would guess that the vast majority of them do sneaky tax shit for survival.




Kucinich for the win!

realistically, I feel like it's a lesser of the two evils with Obama and Hillary. I really like John Edwards, but I don't think he's got a chance.
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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2008, 09:03:43 PM »

i love that this discussion started.
next topic: OBAMA vs HILLARY:GO!

i'd rather have obama than clinton.

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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2008, 03:06:24 PM »

coverage of the tosci save from the MIT student newspaper

imho, better then the globe etc.

btw, mit alumni donated a lot of the money raised

it's the campus' favorite ice cream place, a few blocks away

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V127/N65/toscaninis.html

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V127/N64/toscaninis.html
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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2008, 10:08:48 AM »

i love that this discussion started.
next topic: OBAMA vs HILLARY:GO!


Kucinich for the win!

realistically, I feel like it's a lesser of the two evils with Obama and Hillary. I really like John Edwards, but I don't think he's got a chance.

I HATE that phrase.  Perhaps I'm buying into "lesser evilism," but I'll trade the "ideal" candidate for one who is both liberal and CAN WIN.  The alternative is eight more years of swiftly erroding civil liberties, dirty back room deals, the rape of the environment and war without an exit strategy.  Calling Obama and Clinton evil dumbs down a strong word that could be put to much better use describing our current leaders.  Hillary Clinton, while not the warmest, most genuine person in the world, is practically a saint when viewed through the lens of the Bush administration's crimes. 
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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2008, 04:40:26 PM »

I HATE that phrase.  Perhaps I'm buying into "lesser evilism," but I'll trade the "ideal" candidate for one who is both liberal and CAN WIN.  The alternative is eight more years of swiftly erroding civil liberties, dirty back room deals, the rape of the environment and war without an exit strategy.  Calling Obama and Clinton evil dumbs down a strong word that could be put to much better use describing our current leaders.  Hillary Clinton, while not the warmest, most genuine person in the world, is practically a saint when viewed through the lens of the Bush administration's crimes. 
Ms. Withacameranyc, your fight starting skills seem deficient.  Here, let me try...

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Didja ever notice how some people complain about the Republicans/"Conservatives" eroding
civil liberties, all the while hoping their Dem/"Liberal" candidates will take away law-abiding
citizens' lawfully-acquired and owned firearms?  ...to say nothing of Liberals' delight in
trampling real-estate-owners' rights with their "environmental protection" and "impact minimization."
Where's the outrage for those civil rights? [/Devil's Advocate]
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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2008, 03:00:06 PM »

What with living both in England and under a rock, I have no comprehension of what this conversation's about except a vague blanket feeling of "American Politics". I would just like to say that, Transizione, all the "recently played tracks" in your sig are WICKED! ...thought you'd like to know XD
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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2008, 10:59:25 PM »

I HATE that phrase.  Perhaps I'm buying into "lesser evilism," but I'll trade the "ideal" candidate for one who is both liberal and CAN WIN.  The alternative is eight more years of swiftly erroding civil liberties, dirty back room deals, the rape of the environment and war without an exit strategy.  Calling Obama and Clinton evil dumbs down a strong word that could be put to much better use describing our current leaders.  Hillary Clinton, while not the warmest, most genuine person in the world, is practically a saint when viewed through the lens of the Bush administration's crimes. 
Ms. Withacameranyc, your fight starting skills seem deficient.  Here, let me try...

 >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
Didja ever notice how some people complain about the Republicans/"Conservatives" eroding
civil liberties, all the while hoping their Dem/"Liberal" candidates will take away law-abiding
citizens' lawfully-acquired and owned firearms?  ...to say nothing of Liberals' delight in
trampling real-estate-owners' rights with their "environmental protection" and "impact minimization."
Where's the outrage for those civil rights? [/Devil's Advocate]

Doesn't the second amendment provide for a "well-armed militia"?  Since when does "well-armed militia" translate to "white-supremecist-with-an-Uzi" or "depressed-teenager-with-a-45"?  (Also, Charlton Heston does not a well-armed militia make.) 

As for environmental protection trumping property owner's rights... sometimes the greater good must be considered.  Preserving the environment is a matter that impacts far more people than a single (or even a hundred or a thousand) property owners.

Although with the use of the phrase "greater good," I've now opened myself up to the "but protecting us against TERRORISM is worth sacrificing the rights of individual brown people who have the audacity to travel on planes" argument.

Arguing politics with someone playing devil's advocate is less fun... no righteous indignation on either side when both know one is play-acting. ;)
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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2008, 11:20:29 PM »

As it happens, I believe the rights referred to in the Second Amendment actually do
refer to the "well regulated militia" as an organized group of armed citizens trained to
protect their interests against an oppressive central government: such bands as lost
the American Civil War (and won it in large part; actual "United States Troops" were a small minority of the Federal Army).

That said, I also believe that if The Founding Fathers could have imagined for a second
that the government would EVER try to restrict PERSONAL arms, the sort one uses for
hunting or shooting burglars, they would have included that in the Fourth Amendment.

(See, this is why I'm really no good at this...  In most of these arguments, both sides
tend to cherry-pick arguments to support one side or the other absolutely, as if showing
a willingness to seek middle ground is surrender...)

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« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2008, 10:08:48 AM »

Didja ever notice how some people complain about the Republicans/"Conservatives" eroding
civil liberties, all the while hoping their Dem/"Liberal" candidates will take away law-abiding
citizens' lawfully-acquired and owned firearms?  ...to say nothing of Liberals' delight in
trampling real-estate-owners' rights with their "environmental protection" and "impact minimization."
Where's the outrage for those civil rights? [/Devil's Advocate]

Doesn't the second amendment provide for a "well-armed militia"?  Since when does "well-armed militia" translate to "white-supremecist-with-an-Uzi" or "depressed-teenager-with-a-45"?  (Also, Charlton Heston does not a well-armed militia make.) 

As for environmental protection trumping property owner's rights... sometimes the greater good must be considered.  Preserving the environment is a matter that impacts far more people than a single (or even a hundred or a thousand) property owners.

Although with the use of the phrase "greater good," I've now opened myself up to the "but protecting us against TERRORISM is worth sacrificing the rights of individual brown people who have the audacity to travel on planes" argument.

  • agree with gwcnyc on the environment
    and gwcnyc did say "sometimes"

    "property rights" are something that exist
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    we find it useful
    since we create them as a society,
    we can modify them

    when they are abused,
    in a manner that effects others,
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    we all, acting as society, have
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  • agree with CeeGBee about guns
    to allow the central government the ONLY access to physical force
    barely works in this country and a few others
    and fails in many countries

    it is reckless and over trusting

    we be a much safer country,
    if all adults carried firearms,
    and knew how to use them safely

    could the tiananmen square massacre
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« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2008, 06:14:10 PM »

I dunno....

I almost think the unarmed man has a better chance against a tank than a guy with a
handgun does....  a better appeal to the conscience of the guys inside the tank...
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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2008, 10:15:07 PM »

I dunno....

I almost think the unarmed man has a better chance against a tank than a guy with a
handgun does....  a better appeal to the conscience of the guys inside the tank...

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Re: help save toscanini’s - a piece of dolls history
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2008, 11:14:28 PM »

I dunno....

I almost think the unarmed man has a better chance against a tank than a guy with a
handgun does....  a better appeal to the conscience of the guys inside the tank...

think snipper
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"Wire cutters of the world...."    :brave:

or did you mean sniper?  [hey, what happened to all our smileys-with-a-gun?]
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Re: help save toscanini’s - a piece of dolls history
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2008, 10:58:46 AM »

I dunno....

I almost think the unarmed man has a better chance against a tank than a guy with a
handgun does....  a better appeal to the conscience of the guys inside the tank...

think snipper
iterate through military and guerilla strategy and tactics
"Wire cutters of the world...."    :brave:

or did you mean sniper?  [hey, what happened to all our smileys-with-a-gun?]

yes, sniper

wish you had better things to do with your time,
then play spelling police ; - }
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Re: help save toscanini’s - a piece of dolls history
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2008, 02:36:59 PM »

I'm just one of the many who are amazed that coders can go through pages and pages of
seemingly meaningless letters, numbers and symbols and spot a single , that should . , a 0
that should be an O, or a ] substituted for a }...

butt yew cant spel wurth a dam
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