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Josef Fritzl
« on: April 30, 2008, 08:33:10 PM »

Just wanted to start a discussion on this.

I'm personally absolutely astounded by this.... Although given austrias recent social hisory and their awful record for finding missing children, is it any wonder she's only just been found?
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Re: Josef Fritzl
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2008, 08:34:27 PM »

Absolutely disgusting.  That poor woman and those poor children..... makes me sick.
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Re: Josef Fritzl
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2008, 08:51:09 PM »

I just don't understand how the mother of the captive woman didn't realise something a little odd was going on! How could you not think something was up after 24 years??
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Re: Josef Fritzl
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2008, 08:53:13 PM »

The father forsced the daughter to write letters saying she had joined a religious sect.
 The police and social workers investigated but found no evidence to the contrary.
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Re: Josef Fritzl
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2008, 08:57:27 PM »

I heard that, I just know that if it was one of my kids I would be trying a little bit harder to find them and make sure they are ok. Especially when their children start showing up on my doorstep needing a home.
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Re: Josef Fritzl
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2008, 09:03:45 PM »

Hmm, I don't know. I hear the father was a very controlling and authoritarian type, so perhaps the mother felt too scared, or repressed by her role. Rural Austria still lives by the children should be seen and not heard rule, and I think the same probably goes for wives.
I'd be interested to hear the opinion of an Austrian, they might be able to give a better (cultural) picture.
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Re: Josef Fritzl
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2008, 04:58:00 AM »

I think they need to get those St Bernards off their mountains and into their cellars.
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Re: Josef Fritzl
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2008, 01:20:44 PM »

I think they need to get those St Bernards off their mountains and into their cellars.
I think that's Swizerland...


The Austrians I think are more German Shepherd people....
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Re: Josef Fritzl
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2008, 03:39:13 AM »

I think they need to get those St Bernards off their mountains and into their cellars.

You want them to fuck dogs too!!!!  :o

Seriously its one of those news stories which just when you think it can't get any worse it does. According to his solicitor he is showing signs of remorse! About 24 odd years too fucking late! They said on the news that he could face up to 15yrs in prison, why should he get less years of suffering than she got? Plus she has to live with what he has done for the rest of her life! 15yrs for that seems way too short a sentence, but lets be honest he won't live long enough to serve any decent amount of time, he is in his 70s now. Who knows how long the legal process will take? He may never even make it to prison. Stories like this make me weep for humanity.
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Re: Josef Fritzl
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2008, 06:45:18 AM »

The infamous Norwegian lawyer Tor Erling Staff once again made a quite provoking (tr0lling) comment about the case during an interview regarding Fritzl, where he tries to highlight the seemingly humane sides of the man. He commented how he had tried to make the cellar as much a nice home as possible; showing tendencies of humane sympathy. He also saved several of his own children, yet another sign of the fact that he might have a minimum degree of care for those he held imprisoned down in the basement.

My personal view on the matter differ slightly, but basically I agree with the point Staff tries to make; that he is no monster, but a human being, and his case could be just as likely for anyone. Who know how many similar cases there are around in the world, only they are so lucky as to not get noticed? I am however forced to agree that I do not approve to such behavior in a man, and that he deserves to be put in his right place for what he has done. But I refuse to see him as nothing else than a human.
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Re: Josef Fritzl
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2008, 02:25:11 PM »

Hmm, I don't know. I hear the father was a very controlling and authoritarian type, so perhaps the mother felt too scared, or repressed by her role. Rural Austria still lives by the children should be seen and not heard rule, and I think the same probably goes for wives.
I'd be interested to hear the opinion of an Austrian, they might be able to give a better (cultural) picture.

I am austrian, but i grew up in vienna, so no first hand knowledge about rural areas, just subjective views:
I have the impression "the children should be seen and not heard rule" applies mainly to the older generations and is not so common in younger families anymore. In this case I think it applies (well, he is 73). It seems like the wife cared for the children without the help of her husband, and did whatever he told her without asking. She accepted the children found on the doorstep without searching for her own daughter, without clarifying DNS tests. Neither her nor the children dared to go to the cellar when he forbade them to. for so many years!!
And I'm not sure but I think I heard that he abused his daughter even before he imprisoned her, so, as a mother, how can you not notice? how can you not want save her? how can you not WANT to notice? because you are so scared of the despot you have married.


Of course even the most "monstrous" person is still a person, but what he has done stays incredibly horrible, no matter how many cases like this there might be! In fact he must be a very intelligent man in a way: it's certainly quite difficult to keep alive all the alibis for neighbors and family...and to keep all the mechanisms working - like organising food, restricting the rights of your wife and (grand) children....
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Re: Josef Fritzl
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2008, 02:28:17 PM »

I think they need to get those St Bernards off their mountains and into their cellars.
I think that's Swizerland...


The Austrians I think are more German Shepherd people....

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Re: Josef Fritzl
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2008, 06:38:32 PM »

"Of course even the most "monstrous" person is still a person, but what he has done stays incredibly horrible, no matter how many cases like this there might be!"

That would be beside the point. We react so strongly to this specific matter because of its seemingly extraordinary dimension (after all, 24 fucking years), but I try to stress that it might not be so uncommon as we think, what with all the humans on this here planet, and therefore not worth reacting so strongly to. Yes yes, we can easily agree that what he did was quite horrible, but as the lawyer T. Erling Staff tries to point out, he has also done some humane things to his prisoners, and as I could read from the article had he put quite a bit of effort into the affair, despite effectively deriving his daughter of her freedom.

Bah, I'm tired, and my logic circuits are disfunctional...
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Re: Josef Fritzl
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2008, 09:37:06 PM »

this scares me...  i wonder if any of my neighbors or friends are like him...  ??? :-\
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Re: Josef Fritzl
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2008, 09:35:59 AM »

this scares me...  i wonder if any of my neighbors or friends are like him...  ??? :-\

you better keep a close eye on your mother from here on... you never know ;)
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