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[CeeGBee]

I think it's totally possible to reason yourself to death, if that makes sense.

You know that's how René Descartes died, right?

He was out to dinner one evening, in a pretty snazzy restaurant, and the waiter came around
after clearing the dinner-course plates, and asked "Would Monsieur care to order dessert?"

Descartes replied "I think not..."  [poof!] 

[Indja]

I think it's totally possible to reason yourself to death, if that makes sense.

You know that's how René Descartes died, right?

He was out to dinner one evening, in a pretty snazzy restaurant, and the waiter came around
after clearing the dinner-course plates, and asked "Would Monsieur care to order dessert?"

Descartes replied "I think not..."  [poof!] 

I laughed way too hard at that xD

[Niels]

ugh, all those stories are really sad 

do you guys think that there are people who commit suicide without being clinically depressed?
like, who rationally do it, without any mental state affecting them?

I do think some people are very rational about it, but they are usually the kind of people who aren't very happy anyway. Sometimes it's just a chemical imbalance, and doesn't even have anything to do with being bullied or having a tough life. I read about a woman who committed suiced and planned everything months in advance. She even had even ordered a coffin because she didn't want to be a burden on her family. I really think that sometimes people evaluate their life and just figure that death wouldn't be such a bad alternative.

I read a story not long ago about a pretty young guy, maybe 13, who committed suicide. He was supposed to be really intelligent and later police found notebooks that he had filled with the rationalisation of suicide; he sort of weighed the pros and cons of living and decided it wasn't worth it so he committed suicide. So sad.

I don't really think that's sad. If someone rationally decides that they want to die, then why not? I think it's much sadder when someone's really depressed and they kill themselves, when someone has problems that can be solved. But when someone just thinks about everything and goes "meh"... I don't know, why not?

I've often thought about it... there is really no intrinsic reason not to kill yourself. The only thing I can come up with is for the people you care about. Sure, you'd miss all the good things, but you wouldn't be around to mind. you'd never get a chance to fulfill your dreams and wishes, but you wouldn't be around to feel sad about it...

This is only my theoretical point of view though, because obviously I'm still here. And when a friend told me he had suicidal thoughs, my reaction was far from "sure, why not", but more like the exact opposite. If man was a purely rational being, I think we'd all collectively kill ourselves. (un)fortunately, we're also quite the opposite of rational beings.

[Captain Oblivious]

I'm quite a rational being, but I don't want to die. I want to do lots of fun stuff and then get old. If I'm ever in an accident or something or have a progressive illness that'll stop me taking care of myself, I'll want someone to kill me (assuming I don't have the means to kill myself). Life is hard, sure. But when it's good, it can be REALLY good.

EDIT: I came on here to complain about sneezing all day and feeling like shit. If I hadn't started sneezing, I might be getting cuddles right now and this makes me equal parts sad and annoyed.

[Indja]

^I'm not saying there's aren't cool things in life, but there's no way the good can objectively weigh out the bad. But I'm with Niels, we're not rational at all, no matter how much we might sort of kid ourselves we are. I'm not saying you're like lying or something when you say you are, but that you're rational for a straight-thinking human being, which is still pretty hyper irrational.

[Cirque]

I fucked up reading my exam timetable and I missed my English drama exam
Looks like I'll have to pay to repeat it in August
God I'm stupid

[Indja]

^Oh honey, I'm sorry Does your course do that really fucking stupid thing where a resit can only be worth a maximum of 40%?


My day's been ruined once again by my father. I'm actually a little shocked - I keep thinking he'll run out of ways, and then he just twists the knife a little more. He emailed me this morning saying he was putting my bank letters together to forward to me, and he decided that he didn't want me using his house as my home address any more. He said we negotiated a deal when I moved in when I was 12 that he thinks we've both broken sufficient times to render it void - because that's what family is, of course, it's business transactions and upholding contracts. He finally acknowledged that he had a part to play in the break-down of this relationship, and says he accepts that he behaved "unpredictably and unforgivably", which fucked me right off because it's up to me to decide whether or not his behaviour towards me is forgivable or not. He didn't apologise, I'd like to point out - he is the fucking master of saying an awful lot of stuff that sounds a bit like an apology but isn't. He also accepts that this is "very badly timed", which baffles me because surely he knows I'm not coming home until July and could have waited to drop this on me until after I'm done with my exams.

Finally he finished up saying "I do hope that in time we will be able to get back on a more normal footing as, curiously, I find I do still love you very much." Yeah, it's a curious fucking thing, this 'unconditional love' thing. Fucking, fucking cunt. I can't even get my head round how much I hate him right now. He's constructed an entire fucking feud completely on his own steam and left me without a fucking leg to stand on.

Anyway, I told him I can't deal with this now, I'm up to my eyeballs in revision so it's going to have to wait a while. I don't even know what to do about it. I'll have to get my stuff out of his house, I suppose, and at least I'm moving into my new place in Belfast in July rather than September so that's alright. I don't know if this means I have to tell the student finance people or what. I don't know. I'm just trying to calm down enough to have a shower, and then going to Seamy's because I can't do this on my own.

[Cirque]

^Oh honey, I'm sorry Does your course do that really fucking stupid thing where a resit can only be worth a maximum of 40%?

I hope not, the website has pretty much nothing on it about resits, but I've sent an email after the department failed to answer their phone 5 times.
Even if I can only get 40% that's not that much of a bitch to me, It was an English exam and I'm dropping English next year.

[Savannah]

@Indie: I'm so sorry, it is where words fail. So -big hugs- i hope in time he learns not to be a such a blighter.

I think you'll feel much better soon, because as per what you've told here so far i think you don't have anything to regret.

[imaginary friend]

My day's been ruined once again by my father. I'm actually a little shocked - I keep thinking he'll run out of ways, and then he just twists the knife a little more. He emailed me this morning saying he was putting my bank letters together to forward to me, and he decided that he didn't want me using his house as my home address any more. He said we negotiated a deal when I moved in when I was 12 that he thinks we've both broken sufficient times to render it void - because that's what family is, of course, it's business transactions and upholding contracts.

what kind of cretin negotiates a binding deal with a 12-year-old?

 

[Captain Oblivious]

^Oh honey, I'm sorry Does your course do that really fucking stupid thing where a resit can only be worth a maximum of 40%?

I hope not, the website has pretty much nothing on it about resits, but I've sent an email after the department failed to answer their phone 5 times.
Even if I can only get 40% that's not that much of a bitch to me, It was an English exam and I'm dropping English next year.

Here, you're not allowed to resit if you didn't show up for the original one. i.e. you can only resit if you fail, not if you miss it. It's the same with the 40% thing here as well.

[Pope Totalfrog]

^Oh honey, I'm sorry Does your course do that really fucking stupid thing where a resit can only be worth a maximum of 40%?


My day's been ruined once again by my father. I'm actually a little shocked - I keep thinking he'll run out of ways, and then he just twists the knife a little more. He emailed me this morning saying he was putting my bank letters together to forward to me, and he decided that he didn't want me using his house as my home address any more. He said we negotiated a deal when I moved in when I was 12 that he thinks we've both broken sufficient times to render it void - because that's what family is, of course, it's business transactions and upholding contracts. He finally acknowledged that he had a part to play in the break-down of this relationship, and says he accepts that he behaved "unpredictably and unforgivably", which fucked me right off because it's up to me to decide whether or not his behaviour towards me is forgivable or not. He didn't apologise, I'd like to point out - he is the fucking master of saying an awful lot of stuff that sounds a bit like an apology but isn't. He also accepts that this is "very badly timed", which baffles me because surely he knows I'm not coming home until July and could have waited to drop this on me until after I'm done with my exams.

Finally he finished up saying "I do hope that in time we will be able to get back on a more normal footing as, curiously, I find I do still love you very much." Yeah, it's a curious fucking thing, this 'unconditional love' thing. Fucking, fucking cunt. I can't even get my head round how much I hate him right now. He's constructed an entire fucking feud completely on his own steam and left me without a fucking leg to stand on.

Anyway, I told him I can't deal with this now, I'm up to my eyeballs in revision so it's going to have to wait a while. I don't even know what to do about it. I'll have to get my stuff out of his house, I suppose, and at least I'm moving into my new place in Belfast in July rather than September so that's alright. I don't know if this means I have to tell the student finance people or what. I don't know. I'm just trying to calm down enough to have a shower, and then going to Seamy's because I can't do this on my own.

Your dad is an asshat and he doesn't deserve you.

[Cirque]

^Oh honey, I'm sorry Does your course do that really fucking stupid thing where a resit can only be worth a maximum of 40%?

I hope not, the website has pretty much nothing on it about resits, but I've sent an email after the department failed to answer their phone 5 times.
Even if I can only get 40% that's not that much of a bitch to me, It was an English exam and I'm dropping English next year.

Here, you're not allowed to resit if you didn't show up for the original one. i.e. you can only resit if you fail, not if you miss it. It's the same with the 40% thing here as well.

Wow...I really hope I can resit it. They better email me back tomorrow

EDIT: Turns out I actually got an email at 9pm (didn't check after office hours but they sent after them) and I can resit, phew. You had me scared for a second!

[Astica]

@Indja: what Frog said. I'm sorry about your father.

@Topic: I'm trying to cancel my graduation. I'd kind of hoped to spend it with my friends, but they're all spending it with their families, and mine aren't coming up. The idea of the ceremony itself bores me to sleep, and having to just go home afterwards and feel bitter about seeing everyone with their families makes me feel all emo and Batman (only less awesome). The graduation office are making it impossible to contact them though, and if I don't do it in the next few hours I can't get my deposit back (I reallly need the money). It looks like I'm actually going to have to go down during the previous schools ceremony to hassle them since they wont answer their emails or calls. I just want to lie in bed feeling shitty about it though

[Captain Oblivious]

^Oh honey, I'm sorry Does your course do that really fucking stupid thing where a resit can only be worth a maximum of 40%?

I hope not, the website has pretty much nothing on it about resits, but I've sent an email after the department failed to answer their phone 5 times.
Even if I can only get 40% that's not that much of a bitch to me, It was an English exam and I'm dropping English next year.

Here, you're not allowed to resit if you didn't show up for the original one. i.e. you can only resit if you fail, not if you miss it. It's the same with the 40% thing here as well.

Wow...I really hope I can resit it. They better email me back tomorrow

EDIT: Turns out I actually got an email at 9pm (didn't check after office hours but they sent after them) and I can resit, phew. You had me scared for a second!

Well I suppose they charge you for it, they don't charge us. Good luck in the resit and I'm glad you got it sorted