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Re: OBAMA gets the NOM.
« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2008, 02:48:29 PM »

oh yeah. Freaky's brother.

the one who amazingly looks like CADDY?! (that meant he had really pale skin, hazel eyes, and breasts, right? i hate it when little boys get breasts).

Ah, no.
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« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2008, 03:35:13 PM »

I think Caddy means this:

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I was just talking about this:

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« Reply #47 on: June 10, 2008, 03:46:55 PM »

Yes, I was quite aware of what she meant.



I am telling you, though, that my thoughts on Obama aren't based on his skin color. I am rather surprised you took the time to go and find those specific posts, but I don't find myself to be going back on my words at all. What I said then doesn't have a thing to do with what I'm saying now. Regardless of his ethnicity, I don't care for Barack Obama. I'm sorry if you thought so.
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« Reply #48 on: June 10, 2008, 08:31:40 PM »

If he weren't so damn old, that wouldn't necessarily be as f'ed up as it seems...  At the same time, the parallel to young unknown Bush and creepy old Palpatin... Uh, Cheney...  is a little creepy.
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« Reply #49 on: June 10, 2008, 11:37:53 PM »


Obama and McCain are certainly not on the same level. That is, McCain is a neo-nazi warmonger

You will find that the Democratic platform is much closer to the essence of fascism than that of McCain or the larger Republican party.

Fascism is typified by totalitarian attempts to impose state control over all aspects of life: political, social, cultural, and economic, by way of a strong, single-party government for enacting laws...

Fascism exalts the nation, state, or group of people as superior to the individuals composing it. Fascism uses explicit populist rhetoric; calls for a heroic mass effort to restore past greatness; and demands loyalty to a single leader, leading to a cult of personality and unquestioned obedience to orders. Fascism is also considered to be a form of collectivism.

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« Reply #50 on: June 11, 2008, 12:03:11 AM »


Obama and McCain are certainly not on the same level. That is, McCain is a neo-nazi warmonger

You will find that the Democratic platform is much closer to the essence of fascism than that of McCain or the larger Republican party.

Fascism is typified by totalitarian attempts to impose state control over all aspects of life: political, social, cultural, and economic, by way of a strong, single-party government for enacting laws...

Fascism exalts the nation, state, or group of people as superior to the individuals composing it. Fascism uses explicit populist rhetoric; calls for a heroic mass effort to restore past greatness; and demands loyalty to a single leader, leading to a cult of personality and unquestioned obedience to orders. Fascism is also considered to be a form of collectivism.



I have huge problems with McCain, mostly based on the facts that he's pro-life, he believes nuclear power to be the solution to climate change, and he's very pro-gun. I would never vote for him. I know that he's not actually a fascist, and calling him a neo-nazi was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the last president that the GOP produced. Patriot act, anyone?

He is a warmonger, however. I read somewhere that he's willing to stay in the Middle East until the job is done, and wouldn't be opposed to staying there another hundred years.
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« Reply #51 on: June 11, 2008, 12:59:11 AM »

he did, in fact, say that.


Rob. love me. don't vote for John.

i will make you and your wife yummie teacakes. you just can't say no to teacakes. =)
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« Reply #52 on: June 11, 2008, 01:29:26 PM »

I'll write Ron Paul in just for you.

There is no way I could vote for a socialist.  Not for all the tea cakes in wherever teacakes come from.
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« Reply #53 on: June 11, 2008, 04:54:00 PM »

don't write Ron Paul in for me. >_>'


and now tell me, exactly, what is wrong with socialism? especially when he's not even trying to build socialist healthcare. Obama's whole plan is just to make it more affordable, last time i checked. it could have changed. aside from that anything "socialist" thing he tried to do would have to be voted for by the people. i doubt this country, a country that keeps trying to vote away our rights one by one (like abortion, gay marriage, etc.) is going to happy do whatever Obama tells them to do.

any if they did? well shit, our economy is fucked to shit as it is. it can only get worse if we go into a depression, and that's saying a whole lot.
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« Reply #54 on: June 11, 2008, 05:58:01 PM »

Obama stands firmly on the principles of the father-knows-best philosophy of government. 

He believes that there is not a problem in the world that goverment can't fix.  I say, most of the problems we face are caused by government getting in where it doesn't belong.

Yes, government does need to set boundaries where human rights are involved.  I believe there is already a document in place that serves that pupose.

However, government should not be in the business of subsidizing commerce, regulating prices, and bailing out failed ventures.

Government should not bail out either the floundering financial institutions or the people who entered into ridiculously unrealistic contracts to purchase homes with them.  Yes. the aftermath of this fiasco is painful, but without enduring the pain of shuch a mistake, no lesson will be learned.  Obama wants to use my money to pay other peoples' mortgages because they made a decision that I was not foolish enough to make.  Without the sting of reality, the devistation is likely to be much worse should such a thing happen again.

Amtrac has been a losing proposition since its inception in 1970.  This service was supposed to be self sufficient by '73.  As of 2008, the people are still footing a portion of the bill to keep it operating.  Why should it stand on its own?  Why should it revise its business plan or scheduling to reflect reality when daddy is always there to paty the rent?

Obama believes he, and he alone knows what the people need.  He alone can stand for us against a multitude of adversities

I say, the American people know what we need.  We just need to be strong enough to stand for it in the face of a challenge.
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« Reply #55 on: June 11, 2008, 06:35:14 PM »

Everytime I read your political thoughts Rob, it almost convinces me to go Republican. Too bad so many of your brethren are pants-on-head-retarded.

Its like you take the Republican views at their core, and leave out the wacko-factor. It's refreshing.
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« Reply #56 on: June 11, 2008, 08:50:26 PM »

Amtrac has been a losing proposition since its inception in 1970.  This service was supposed to be self sufficient by '73.  As of 2008, the people are still footing a portion of the bill to keep it operating.  Why should it stand on its own?  Why should it revise its business plan or scheduling to reflect reality when daddy is always there to paty the rent?
Please prepare for me a five page, 10-point, double-spaced paper comparing and contrasting government subsidy of the more efficient passenger rail vs. 100% government funded highways upon which less efficient, more dangerous, and more eco-hostile transportation is carried out.  You will be graded for speling and, puntuation.
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« Reply #57 on: June 12, 2008, 12:11:27 AM »

Amtrac has been a losing proposition since its inception in 1970.  This service was supposed to be self sufficient by '73.  As of 2008, the people are still footing a portion of the bill to keep it operating.  Why should it stand on its own?  Why should it revise its business plan or scheduling to reflect reality when daddy is always there to paty the rent?
Please prepare for me a five page, 10-point, double-spaced paper comparing and contrasting government subsidy of the more efficient passenger rail vs. 100% government funded highways upon which less efficient, more dangerous, and more eco-hostile transportation is carried out.  You will be graded for speling and, puntuation.

did you mean to misspell "spelling and punctuation"?



Rob, while i have read your diatribe about government and America, and where government doesn't need to be, do you think the government should be keeping us overseas in Iraq for "as long as we need to be there", pushing us further into debt for "war funding", while many soldiers fighting overseas see probably 1/10th of what our government "claims" is going towards the War on Terrorism?

because if you do, then that sounds kind of hypocritical. all that up there.
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« Reply #58 on: June 12, 2008, 03:39:05 AM »

If republicans hadn't been so dead set against allowing government to control the practices of lenders, we wouldn't be in this housing crisis. You're already paying for it. Every dollar that falls off the value of your home is payment for the myth of laissez faire utopia. You could save the average taxpayer more money with a lowered threshold for defining usory loans than could ever be done with a tax cut... without depleting the national coffers. But no... that is between the consumer and the lender, right? Maybe we should just remove all regulation? Loan sharking would become legal business practice. Speculative stock purchases could be next. That only almost destroyed America once, and now we have to deal with socialism.

Tax cuts are a myth anyway. Watch local taxes rise whenever federal taxes are lowered. Someone has to pay for public works, or the values of communities go down. Federal subsidies go to communities. When they dry up, communities take their cut directly from the people... or they let the services go to hell, and the values of properties go down on that count as well.

It's an emotional thing. We are told it's our money... we should be allowed to keep it. We feel that sting when we see taxes take a big chunk out of our pay. Naturally, we want the guy who will let us keep the most money. Hell, W. Bush actually promised money from the coffers to pay BACK to the people. Ha! Brilliant. He actually bought votes with money he would only have access to if elected. Three hundred dollars. Six hundred for those of you with kids, right? Then a few dollars here and there in cuts. Of course, it left us in no way prepared for fiscal crisis.

Social programs do not equal socialism. We are so far right of socialism that using the word is insulting. I have lived in a socialist nation. I know the tax structure. Really, most of the nations we called communist were really socialist. What am I doing? It all comes down to "they entered into a contract" and "why should I have to pay?"

You have to pay because we all suffer for the fucking nickel and diming. I'm tired of the right calling every government action (other than the ones that try to legislate us into morality) an attempt at paternalizing government. We have to be pragmatic, and this rugged individualism is fucking us all right in the ass. It's time to pony up and help fix this mess. Ronald Reagan dressed it up as "trickle down theory". That was the biggest crock of bullshit to ever fail math. The world's greatest economic disparities have been casused by similar policies. The powers that be, allowed to have the money to invest in business, to grow the economy, which is supposed to help us all, DO NOT let that shit trickle down anything.

The republican party sells pipe dreams to the financially indignant. Alaskan oil?! That will bring the price of oil down about fifty cents a barrel. What's it at now? $117 and something? They actually get votes on that issue. It's a farce, and they all know it. They are toying with you. If I hear one more person suggest a bunch of hippies crying over caribou are the reason gas prices are so high, I'm going to summon all the tourist boards, hunters and trappers in Canada and Alaska to come pump all the acid rain stemming from oil production right up his or her ass. Those are the ones that will be hurt... and NO ONE will be helped. Well... some big oil stockholders, but they're using $100 dollar bills as cum rags already.

A two-party system would be fine... checks and balances...great... but one of those parties is republican. That has been screwing us for decades. We've let the bullies look out for the kids, and the bullies keep telling us it's the kids' fault for being pussies.
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« Reply #59 on: June 12, 2008, 02:45:06 PM »

As I already said.  Yes it will hurt at first. 

Loan sharks will only be in business as long as their is demand for loan sharking.  Any shrewd business man or woman would see an excellent opportunity to offer money at a reasonable rate.  Making a little less on each individual loan will lead to a higher gross profit.  The market will self adjust.

Yes, train and plane tickets would be higher if the government stayed out of the industries, we would actually have to pay what the services were worth.  What an outrage!

As for higher local taxes resulting from lower federal taxes.  I'll take the trade off.  I have said since I began talking politics with you that local government is more responsive and efficient than the lumbering bureaucracies we are dealing with now.  In reality, much of the federal tax money used for infrastructure repairs and maintenance goes to local contractors only after it has been funneled through various departments at the national level and they have all taken their cut.  Often, the prices paid for the work are much higher than they would have been had the local citizens hired the contractor directly.

Furthermore, you are right.  The current "Republican" president has operated without regard o what the party stands for at its core.  He is far enough right on social issues to piss off every liberal in the world, yet he spends money like the king of the Democrats.  The Republican party must get back to its roots if it wants to retain what shred of credibility it has.  Tax cuts will only make our problems worse unless coupled with cuts in spending.

Let it be known that I blame no hippies for the price of fuel.  The price is set by the market.  You've all heard of supply and demand, right?

I am all for alternative energy sources.  I am not for artificially low costs.  If the technology is feasible, the market will bare that out.  If enough people feel it is really worth the true cost, there will be progress.  It works with cell phones and mp3 players. It will work in any free market.

Thanks Kovacs.  I am a conservative by principle, a Republican by necessity.  I will gladly embrace the next nonkooky conservative 3rd party to come along.

Finally, it's time for the kids to grow up.  Momma's not here.  Fix your own damn supper, tie your own damn shoes and wipe your own damn ass!
 
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