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Re: Learning Other Languages
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2008, 08:29:06 AM »

I think it's just one of those differences that's just there... like the many small differences between US and UK english.
90 is also called 'nonante' here, instead of... what? quatre-vingt-dix?
We do say 'quatre-vingts' though (but I think there are other countries where they say huitante, maybe in Switzerland?)



(keep in mind that I'm not a native speaker. I learned it in school.)
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Re: Learning Other Languages
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2008, 02:26:17 AM »

The soixante-dix thing in French is very annoying and illogical. I much prefer septante. It would make it easier when the French teacher names page numbers in French.

I also live in the US and prefer several British spellings from my brief time in Canada, hahaha. Blame Neopets for spelling them this way too:

grey, colour, favourite, washroom, vapour, defence, offence....
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Re: Learning Other Languages
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2008, 04:04:43 AM »

I got thoroughly annoyed by an Americanism on the side of a London Bus recently....
Centre is not spelt center! ( from "Journey to the CENTER of the Earth" )
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Re: Learning Other Languages
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2008, 12:19:06 PM »

I got thoroughly annoyed by an Americanism on the side of a London Bus recently....
Centre is not spelt center! ( from "Journey to the CENTER of the Earth" )

The -er spelling is very inelegant. They change the spellings when importing British books to the US, I imagine.
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Re: Learning Other Languages
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2008, 12:24:33 PM »

I got thoroughly annoyed by an Americanism on the side of a London Bus recently....
Centre is not spelt center! ( from "Journey to the CENTER of the Earth" )
The -er spelling is very inelegant. They change the spellings when importing British books to the US, I imagine.
I think it's symptomatic of a fundamental assumption that Americans are dumb... that we wouldn't be able to
grasp such advanced linguistic concepts as:
...the U in [colour, flavour, armour &c.]  is silent...
...the E is pronounced as if it came before the R in words like centre...
...The Philosopher's Stone just sounds much cooler (and has far more established significance) than "The Sorceror's Stone".
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Re: Learning Other Languages
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2008, 12:52:07 PM »

...The Philosopher's Stone just sounds much cooler (and has far more established significance) than "The Sorceror's Stone".

Agreed. Although I do prefer the American cover art for the Harry Potter books.

Viz media used "philosopher's stone" in the English translation of Fullmetal Alchemist (a Japanese series, ahaha), and I see the same preteen/teen demographic reading it. And little kids watched it on Adult Swim on Cartoon Network, whoops.
"American intelligence" is also the reason 4kids fails at dubbing foreign series. They replace all the original music because "American kids don't have the attention span for moments of silence" and other things that seem completely uneccesary. Then Naruto becomes and hit with tv-watching American children and they keep most of the plot/music/character names intact. Eh?

Back to the subject of foreign languages. I find that many other scripts have more aesthetic appeal than this Roman one. Arabic for example is very pretty. Part of the reason Japanese packaging looks so good is also because of the writing system. It has squiggles and curves that can be stylized to attract children who want candy and kittens and dolphins who promote cannabalism. However, over here we only get comic sans MS font. I hate that font.
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Re: Learning Other Languages
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2008, 07:46:29 AM »

I got thoroughly annoyed by an Americanism on the side of a London Bus recently....
Centre is not spelt center! ( from "Journey to the CENTER of the Earth" )
The -er spelling is very inelegant. They change the spellings when importing British books to the US, I imagine.
I think it's symptomatic of a fundamental assumption that Americans are dumb... that we wouldn't be able to
grasp such advanced linguistic concepts as:
...the U in [colour, flavour, armour &c.]  is silent...
...the E is pronounced as if it came before the R in words like centre...
...The Philosopher's Stone just sounds much cooler (and has far more established significance) than "The Sorceror's Stone".

The added 'u' and the 're' seem very French, and I was under the impression that the English still hated the French.
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Re: Learning Other Languages
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2008, 01:25:10 PM »

the U and the RE are not added, they were removed by the americans for some reason, also bear in mind that most proper english has French and saxon as its parent languages ( with a smattering of latin and other germanic languages thrown in ), this mix has been around since the 11th century
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Re: Learning Other Languages
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2008, 01:46:19 PM »

they were removed by the americans for some reason

Some man named Webster was really bitter, and he said we needed to sever our ties with the english we needed to change our accent and spelling. It's weird that we rebelled in these little ways (coffee vs. tea, re vs er) before and after our independence... like teenagers.  :D
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Re: Learning Other Languages
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2008, 02:26:35 PM »

the U and the RE are not added, they were removed by the americans for some reason, also bear in mind that most proper english has French and saxon as its parent languages ( with a smattering of latin and other germanic languages thrown in ), this mix has been around since the 11th century

This I know, I was just trying to be ridiculous.

Also, I think words just plain look better with an 're' rather than 'er'. Oh, well.
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Re: Learning Other Languages
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2008, 08:58:15 AM »

I wish there had been a wider variety of language options available at my school. English and French were compulsary, beyond that.. nothing. Not even German or Spanish. Stupid really since there were so many bilingual kids and first generation immigrants at the school.
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Re: Learning Other Languages
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2008, 11:04:18 AM »

I wish there had been a wider variety of language options available at my school. English and French were compulsary, beyond that.. nothing. Not even German or Spanish. Stupid really since there were so many bilingual kids and first generation immigrants at the school.

We had only German and Spanish at my high school.
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Re: Learning Other Languages
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2008, 12:08:26 PM »

I wish there had been a wider variety of language options available at my school. English and French were compulsary, beyond that.. nothing. Not even German or Spanish. Stupid really since there were so many bilingual kids and first generation immigrants at the school.

We had only German and Spanish at my high school.

Depends on the school, I suppose. "Better" schools, more options. My school was shit and I hated it. My friend went to a posh private school where English, French, German, Latin and Greek were all compulsory, plus she had options to study Spanish and Italian. (AND she went to Chinese school on Saturdays to learn Mandarin (she could already speak Cantonese, since her parents were from Hong Kong.) I'd say something like "I don't know how she kept it all in her head" but, frankly, she was (and is) a bit of a genius, so.. she probably could've learned a dozen more languages and sung opera in each of them.

Personally, I'd love to be fluent in Russian. And British Sign Language. I've taught myself the basics of both, but I doubt I could hold a decent conversation in either.

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Re: Learning Other Languages
« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2008, 05:00:33 PM »

My native language is Dutch. I can speak a little German, since we had some German kids her during the summer holidays a few years ago. English isn't a big problem for me. I'd love to learn Spanish... maybe someday.
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Re: Learning Other Languages
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2008, 05:22:35 PM »

I've been taking French in school for two years and my goal is to be fluent enough to be able to live (at least) a year in France.

And I'm going to be literally the only guy in my French class next year, out of all the juniors AND seniors (few enough kids take III and IV that they smoosh those classes together). And last year the only other guy in the class was this guy who had just moved here from like Kansas or something. And he was really hot but he was a senior which made me sad and now he's gone.

French is a sexy language.
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