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Suicide Solution
« on: July 08, 2008, 10:55:52 PM »

I don´t want to sound all emo but... Have you ever thought about commiting suicide? If so, How?

I was thinking today how could i commit suicide and suffer no pain ... i thought in which would be the coolest way to commit suicide.

Options for me:

- Taking like 8-9 Valium tablets, that way i would sleep and just lay there; My aunt once took 4 Valium tablets and she stayed sleeping for 1 week, incredibly weird.

- Hanging myself from a regular rope, you know the classical way the vintage way.

- Jumping from a very high building, althought i don´t like high places, i can´t see myself trying to do this last one still, It would be a good opiton.

So any thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2008, 11:21:09 PM »

I would stand on a boat lift. I would tie a rope around my neck to hang myself, but I would kink the rope and tie a grenade to it. The other side of the loop would be attached to the pin in the grenade. I would have a pistol and about one gram of pure heroin. I would snort the heroin, then swallow the barrel of the pistol... and shoot myself. The pistol would blow the back of my skull off, knocking me off the boat hanger. The rope would hang me after pulling the pin on the grenade, which, after ten seconds, would explode. If I didn't die from the gunshot or snapping of my neck, the grenade explosion should kill me. If not, I would be dropped into the water to drown. If, by chance, I floated away, face-up, the heroin should be enough to kill me. Any remaining chance of survival would be made irrelevant by sharks.

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Re: Suicide Solution
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2008, 11:22:15 PM »

I plan to live forever.
I'm one of the people who havent fully accepted that i'm not always going to be here, yet. I love life, I love living!

But ya, i've though about suicide, even though I had no real intentions of following any of the ideas through, all the depressions stints were far to short to think about it enough.. becuase when I think about it I start to decide it'd all be way to painful...

Shooting myself comes to mind, or ODing, because those are the easiest things to actually do, Id rather not jump or hang myself for fear it wouldnt work (not that oding and shooting myself would) I could never cut myself to be bleeders or like lock myself in the garage with the car on or anything... If I die, I want it quick and painless, and everyone to be really sad and depressed.
I want everyone to know who I am before I die, I'm afraid of being forgotten, so I somehow need to make my mark on the world and go down in the books
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Re: Suicide Solution
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2008, 12:34:06 AM »

I would stand on a boat lift. I would tie a rope around my neck to hang myself, but I would kink the rope and tie a grenade to it. The other side of the loop would be attached to the pin in the grenade. I would have a pistol and about one gram of pure heroin. I would snort the heroin, then swallow the barrel of the pistol... and shoot myself. The pistol would blow the back of my skull off, knocking me off the boat hanger. The rope would hang me after pulling the pin on the grenade, which, after ten seconds, would explode. If I didn't die from the gunshot or snapping of my neck, the grenade explosion should kill me. If not, I would be dropped into the water to drown. If, by chance, I floated away, face-up, the heroin should be enough to kill me. Any remaining chance of survival would be made irrelevant by sharks.


I'd do all of this, but actually would survive ALL that...

Then I'd die of embarassment when someone accused me of being emo and I couldn't really argue the point...

I wish my lawn was emo...  then it'd cut itself...
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Re: Suicide Solution
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2008, 12:44:21 AM »

I used to be very angry about how certain family members treated me.

I had suicidal thoughts as a 10-year-old, but had no idea how to do it. It goes to show the absurdity of the situation, although the people in question were still hurtful. No, I was a spoiled middle class bratling.

Recently, I've been interested in World War II  Shinpū. The craziest story idea is of my alter ego crashing an airplane full of environmentally-friendly bombs and biodiesel into a hydroelectric dam(n). Crazy, I know. I'd never do that in real life because I'm terrified of being burned alive.
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Re: Suicide Solution
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2008, 12:59:50 AM »

I think I'd have to go the way of Sylvia Plath: sticking my head into an oven with the gas turned on (no pilot light; I can't stand heat).

I wouldn't want to drown, because drowning just leaves you so ugly and bloated.
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Re: Suicide Solution
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2008, 01:20:06 AM »

I think I'd have to go the way of Sylvia Plath: sticking my head into an oven with the gas turned on (no pilot light; I can't stand heat).

I wouldn't want to drown, because drowning just leaves you so ugly and bloated.

I just started to read The Bell Jar again today..
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Re: Suicide Solution
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2008, 01:25:28 AM »

I think I'd have to go the way of Sylvia Plath: sticking my head into an oven with the gas turned on (no pilot light; I can't stand heat).

I wouldn't want to drown, because drowning just leaves you so ugly and bloated.

I just started to read The Bell Jar again today..
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Ahh I love that book! I've read it at least 7 times.
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Re: Suicide Solution
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2008, 02:47:14 AM »

I have no intents to, but if I were to kill myself, I'd aim for some creative ways, like jumping into an active volcano or skydiving without a parachute. If I could pull a groundhog day like in the movie, i'd do them all and just wake up the next morning.
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Re: Suicide Solution
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2008, 05:47:46 AM »

I've thought about it countless times, but I've always been too scared to actually do anything. But I think about it and imagine it, usually when I'm about to go to bed, I picture how I'd do it, when, etc. I'd either jump off a really tall building or slit my throat. But I think I'd choose the latter, since I'm accustomed to cutting.
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Re: Suicide Solution
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2008, 06:49:15 AM »

cutting your own throat is very messy and not very effective.....I would probably make a very interesting cocktail of some native British flora and go out on a high.....
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2008, 09:37:24 AM »

Razors pain you,
Rivers are damp,
Acids stain you,
And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren't lawful,
Nooses give,
Gas smells awful.
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Re: Suicide Solution
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2008, 10:28:42 AM »


You might as well live.


Ah, if only we all could run the gamut of emotions from A to B! 

Wittier yet is what dear Dorothy wanted on her tombstone:  Wherever she went, including here, it was against her better judgment.




But, to follow the original thought:


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I know what you must be saying to yourselves,
if that's the way she feels about it why doesn't she just end it all?
Oh, no, not me. I'm in no hurry for that final disappointment,
for I know just as well as I'm standing here talking to you,
when that final moment comes and I'm breathing my last breath, I'll be saying to myself

SUNG:
Is that all there is, is that all there is
If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
Let's break out the booze and have a ball
If that's all there is
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Re: Suicide Solution
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2008, 02:34:22 PM »

cutting your own throat is very messy and not very effective.....I would probably make a very interesting cocktail of some native British flora and go out on a high.....

I was once concerned about an avocado I ate. There was mold in it. Yep, throat slashing is messy, at least in the movies. Apocalypto, for example, shows the lack of finesse.
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2008, 04:20:23 PM »

i've attempted.



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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2008, 01:48:13 PM »


I wouldn't want to drown, because drowning just leaves you so ugly and bloated.

All the methods leave you looking horrid. There is no graceful and aesthetically pleasing death. Blood falls to the lowest point, turning them black and bloating them. Dead bodies are disgusting, and the general consensus among the people left behind is nothing like the dram played out in the imagination of the one committing suicide. There is also know way of knowing that suicide is the end of conscious experience. It makes no sense whatsoever.
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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2008, 02:05:24 PM »

apparently Carbon monoxide poisoning leaves a very healthy a cheery looking corpse.... red blood cells combine very easily with Carbon monoxide and this inhibits them from absorbing oxygen, but your body is fooled in to thinking everything is fine.... the blood becomes a very bright red ( brighter than normal ) and gives your cheeks a rosy glow. Unfortunately  it also causes confusion, shortness of breath and chest pains before coma
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2008, 04:31:55 PM »

I suppose propelling oneself into an active volcanic lava flow would achieve an appealing "after" picture...   :violent5:
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« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2008, 07:04:00 PM »

I plan on eating myself to death.
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« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2008, 07:10:31 PM »

I suppose propelling oneself into an active volcanic lava flow would achieve an appealing "after" picture...   :violent5:

Maybe after trying one of the other methods. This subject is fascinating, but I wouldn't want potential employers to take this the wrong way if they attempt to google me...
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« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2008, 11:28:15 PM »

I plan on eating myself to death.
Meh, it's been done.... 


I suppose propelling oneself into an active volcanic lava flow would achieve an appealing "after" picture...   :violent5:

Maybe after trying one of the other methods. This subject is fascinating, but I wouldn't want potential employers to take this the wrong way if they attempt to google me...
 
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« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2008, 09:55:00 AM »

I plan on eating myself to death.
Meh, it's been done.... 


I suppose propelling oneself into an active volcanic lava flow would achieve an appealing "after" picture...   :violent5:

Maybe after trying one of the other methods. This subject is fascinating, but I wouldn't want potential employers to take this the wrong way if they attempt to google me...
 
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If they know about about my DA link on my profile it'll probably show up...

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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2008, 11:18:17 PM »

i think if i was gonna commit suicide i'd just take a bunch of pills/some kind of drug.
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« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2008, 01:49:42 AM »

You'd probably suffer some brain damage and permanently lose use of some of your bowel control muscles... but puke up the pills before they actually killed you.


If you're going to OD, use a needle and cook enough dope or coke into it to kill ten people. It's not like you need to worry about the cost.
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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2008, 02:24:55 AM »

A simple salad of Monkshood, rhubarb leaves, foxglove, and cushed Yew tree seeds is going to do it for you pretty effectively, and much cheaper than the smack OD
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« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2008, 02:36:15 AM »

I hope apple developes something as... e-suicide or isuicide, in that way you could die beautiful.
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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2008, 11:59:30 AM »

Someone needs to publish a book. Alternatives To Suicide for Dummies.

An instinct to commit suicide should be self displacing. If you care enough about things to let their state make you miserable... to the point that you don't care to or want to live, it should be absolutely liberating. Then you can approach life without any care about those things. You can live as if you can die at any second. You can live not giving a shit about anything in life... knowing that it is all just a gunshot away from dissolved. In that state of mind, there is hardly a reason to commit suicide. In fact, i think suicidal mindframe requires forgetting how temporary it all is anyway... and any part that might not be temporary is not likely to find itself in any better state for having destroyed its connection to mateirla existence.

Suicide requires lack of perspective.

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« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2008, 12:02:26 PM »

I hope apple developes something as... e-suicide or isuicide, in that way you could die beautiful.

Remember those suicide booths in Futurama?

Good grief, if they had them in Japan...
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« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2008, 02:05:01 PM »

Wii-suicide....
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« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2008, 03:18:34 PM »

I would go to a hotel way away from home, write individual letters to everyone who matters and one big one for anyone who wants to to read, get drunk on Jack Daniels - after the letter-writing, I'd not like people to think I was rambling to them drunkenly - and then put a sign on the outside of the bathroom door warning whoever it is who comes across it first that there's gonna be a dead body and an awful lot of mess inside, close the door, strip down to my underwear, sit in the bathtub (I like bathtubs) and shoot myself in the head. That way I'll be easy enough to clean up after, the person who finds me won't know me, and I'll die tasting Jack, which is always a good thing.



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« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2008, 04:36:25 PM »

Trying to keep the clean up chores of others to a minimum is considerate, but you'd probably be able to pursue that more effectively outdoors.

Why not one last adventure... and just commit suicide by wandering into a wilderness you are doubtful to survive?
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« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2008, 07:17:02 PM »

like walking into a bear cave with italian sausages around your neck...
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« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2008, 10:02:37 PM »

I can't seem to find a story on it. Maybe one of you knows about it. A number of years ago, a killer advertised for a victim in the newspaper. He was looking for a suicidal masochist. He found one. A guy actually responded. The victim arrived at the killer's apartment, and they proceeded to act out their roles. The killer tortured and abused his "victim" for quite a while. Toward the end, he cut off his penis. He cooked it and they sat down at the dinner table to eat it together. At that point, the victim declared that he was in too much pain to continue and asked to be killed. He was obliged.

There has to be a combination of words that will dig up this story.
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« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2008, 10:11:37 PM »

penis eating killer cook then kills over penis pain  ... right combination?
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« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2008, 10:33:40 PM »

I hope apple developes something as... e-suicide or isuicide, in that way you could die beautiful.

Remember those suicide booths in Futurama?

Good grief, if they had them in Japan...

Yeah, i remember those cabins  ;D ;D ;D ;D


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« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2008, 01:20:13 AM »

penis eating killer cook then kills over penis pain  ... right combination?


Damn dude... that did it!

It was the second entry on the google search. I used it to get his name, which led me to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes

Armin Meiwes was the killer.


Bernd Jürgen Brandes was the suicidal party.



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Meiwes posted an advertisement on the Internet, looking for a willing victim. The post stated that he was "looking for a well-built 18 to 30-year-old to be slaughtered and then consumed".[6] Bernd Jürgen Brandes responded to the advertisement. Bernd Jürgen Brandes was known for his interest in crossdressing. Many other people responded to the advertisement, but many backed out and none were forced to do anything they didn't want to do by Meiwes.

As is known from a videotape the two made when they met on December 25th 2001 in Meiwes' home, Meiwes amputated Brandes' penis and the two men attempted to eat the penis together before Brandes was killed. Brandes had insisted that Meiwes attempt to bite his penis off. This did not work, so Meiwes used a knife. Brandes apparently tried to eat some of his own penis raw, but could not because it was too tough and, as he put it, "chewy". Meiwes then sautéed the penis in a pan with salt, pepper, and garlic, but by then it was too burned to be consumed.[3] According to journalists who saw the video (which has not been made public), Brandes may already have been too weakened from blood loss to actually eat any of his penis. Meiwes read a Star Trek book for three hours whilst his victim was bleeding to death in the bath. Meiwes apparently gave him large quantities of alcohol and pain killers, 30 sleeping pills and a bottle of schnapps, finally, he kissed him once and killed him in a room that he had built in his house for this purpose, The Slaughter Room. After stabbing Brandes to death in the throat, he hung the body on a meathook and tore hunks of flesh from it; he even tried to grind the bones to use as flour. The whole scene was recorded on the two-hour video tape. Meiwes ate the body over the next 10 months, storing body parts in his freezer under pizza boxes and consuming up to 20 kg of the flesh.


Now that's an original suicide!
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« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2008, 01:48:01 AM »

^ I remember seeing this in a daily morning show, that´s indeed an original way to commit suicide  :o
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Re: Suicide Solution
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2008, 03:17:05 AM »

and shoot myself in the head. That way I'll be easy enough to clean up after, the person who finds me won't know me, and I'll die tasting Jack, which is always a good thing.

Fuck that. I've stumbled across too many stories of people shooting themself in the head and surviving.. with a blown out head.
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Re: Suicide Solution
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2008, 03:37:32 AM »

I can't seem to find a story on it. Maybe one of you knows about it. A number of years ago, a killer advertised for a victim in the newspaper. He was looking for a suicidal masochist. He found one. A guy actually responded. The victim arrived at the killer's apartment, and they proceeded to act out their roles. The killer tortured and abused his "victim" for quite a while. Toward the end, he cut off his penis. He cooked it and they sat down at the dinner table to eat it together. At that point, the victim declared that he was in too much pain to continue and asked to be killed. He was obliged.

There has to be a combination of words that will dig up this story.

Rammstein wrote a song about it; it's called "Mein Teil". It's their best song! :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

on topic: no one mentioned "suicide by cop"? You know - go blast co-workers/people at random, then wait for the inevitable gun battle.

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« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2008, 07:34:59 AM »

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« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2008, 07:51:34 AM »

I would go to a hotel way away from home, write individual letters to everyone who matters and one big one for anyone who wants to to read, get drunk on Jack Daniels - after the letter-writing, I'd not like people to think I was rambling to them drunkenly - and then put a sign on the outside of the bathroom door warning whoever it is who comes across it first that there's gonna be a dead body and an awful lot of mess inside, close the door, strip down to my underwear, sit in the bathtub (I like bathtubs) and shoot myself in the head. That way I'll be easy enough to clean up after, the person who finds me won't know me, and I'll die tasting Jack, which is always a good thing.



...I fear I have put rather too much thought into this.

and shoot myself in the head. That way I'll be easy enough to clean up after, the person who finds me won't know me, and I'll die tasting Jack, which is always a good thing.

Fuck that. I've stumbled across too many stories of people shooting themself in the head and surviving.. with a blown out head.

I even know a few people who shot themselves in the head and are still alive and walking around in various degrees of normalcy.  But, indie_ninja's plan is foolproof and, therefore, genius.  If the shot doesn't kill her straight off, the trauma will at least cause her to slink down into the bathwater and drown.  Ta da!

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« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2008, 08:48:12 AM »

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Possibly true.

I can't have been the only one who read that part and instantly wondered which book it was...

(And, yes, über Suicide Points to the late Mr Bernd Jürgen Brandes for originality and bravery.)
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« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2008, 09:42:23 AM »

I even know a few people who shot themselves in the head and are still alive and walking around in various degrees of normalcy.  But, indie_ninja's plan is foolproof and, therefore, genius.  If the shot doesn't kill her straight off, the trauma will at least cause her to slink down into the bathwater and drown.  Ta da!

Zigactly! Either that, or I'll use like an uzi or something, and hold the trigger down for as long as possible. Really blow the fuck out of my face, you know?
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« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2008, 02:04:52 PM »

Load up on blood-thinning meds first...


And sorry folks, Brandes doesn't qualify as "suicide" since he neither originated the plan,
nor inflicted the killing injury upon himself.



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« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2008, 02:16:42 PM »

And sorry folks, Brandes doesn't qualify as "suicide" since he neither originated the plan,
nor inflicted the killing injury upon himself.

By that logic, assisted suicide isn't suicide either. Nor is jumping in front of a train, since the train is inflicting the killing injury.

Besides... He agreed to and put the plan in motion. His actions caused the killing injury to occur.
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« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2008, 02:19:20 PM »

And sorry folks, Brandes doesn't qualify as "suicide" since he neither originated the plan,
nor inflicted the killing injury upon himself.

By that logic, assisted suicide isn't suicide either. Nor is jumping in front of a train, since the train is inflicting the killing injury.
In both of those cases (and suicide-by-cop) the decedent initiated the plan resulting in his demise.
Brandes answered an ad.
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« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2008, 02:26:13 PM »

And sorry folks, Brandes doesn't qualify as "suicide" since he neither originated the plan,
nor inflicted the killing injury upon himself.

By that logic, assisted suicide isn't suicide either. Nor is jumping in front of a train, since the train is inflicting the killing injury.
In both of those cases (and suicide-by-cop) the decedent initiated the plan resulting in his demise.
Brandes answered an ad.


The whole "he started it." train of thought has nothing to do with this. He was most probably thinking about it beforehand, and the ad answered his desires. He initiated communication between the killer and himself purposefully.
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« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2008, 02:31:30 PM »

And sorry folks, Brandes doesn't qualify as "suicide" since he neither originated the plan,
nor inflicted the killing injury upon himself.

By that logic, assisted suicide isn't suicide either. Nor is jumping in front of a train, since the train is inflicting the killing injury.
In both of those cases (and suicide-by-cop) the decedent initiated the plan resulting in his demise.
Brandes answered an ad.

The whole "he started it." train of thought has nothing to do with this. He was most probably thinking about it beforehand, and the ad answered his desires. He initiated communication between the killer and himself purposefully.
I can dance all day.
I'm not much of a dancer...  :embarassed:

How 'bout we split the difference and:
1. agree not to walk in front of trains or pick fights with the SWAT team... and
2. give him a Darwin award...
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« Reply #48 on: July 17, 2008, 03:14:33 PM »

I had a self harming problem and once I attempted suicide. I got caught and my mum and I started this huge argument while my wrists were still bleeding and some of the blood was getting onto the walls from trying to get away from her. So, yeah i've been slightly put off the fact of suicide ever since, and i'm feeling a lot happier nowadays.
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« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2008, 08:32:04 PM »

I had a self harming problem and once I attempted suicide. I got caught and my mum and I started this huge argument while my wrists were still bleeding and some of the blood was getting onto the walls from trying to get away from her. So, yeah i've been slightly put off the fact of suicide ever since, and i'm feeling a lot happier nowadays.
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« Reply #50 on: July 19, 2008, 07:24:23 PM »

I wrote a suicide note in the 6th grade or 4th I dont remember now. But anyway the principal was calling down students one by one and finally it was my turn and she talked to me about stuff and she was all bitchy and mad at me for being in her office more than once in the past week. That I wouldnt mount to anthing if I kept my behaviours up. And all this other stupid shit. Then she held out a note and asked if I wrote it and I said yes. Boy did she feel stupid after yelling at me. So then she asked me how I would commit suicide and I told her I didn't know although my head was flowing with ideas. She asked why I wrote it and I told her I didn't know. Not one teacher in that school had any idea what I went through for 2 years. Bullied by something like 400 kids a day, that's a lot of people. Especially when they make death threats to your face. After repeatedly trying to tell a teacher what people say to me and getting told "Well Sean you're probably bothering them so go play somewhere else." or "Just walk away" I got fed up and wrote morbid suicide notes all the time, practised self-harm, was obsessed with suicide, blah blah blah and all these other dark things. Just thinking about it is a bit hard to know that that used to be me. I didn't have a real friends until high school. The feeling never goes away.
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« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2008, 04:03:45 PM »

I wrote a suicide note in the 6th grade or 4th I dont remember now. But anyway the principal was calling down students one by one and finally it was my turn and she talked to me about stuff and she was all bitchy and mad at me for being in her office more than once in the past week. That I wouldnt mount to anthing if I kept my behaviours up. And all this other stupid shit. Then she held out a note and asked if I wrote it and I said yes. Boy did she feel stupid after yelling at me. So then she asked me how I would commit suicide and I told her I didn't know although my head was flowing with ideas. She asked why I wrote it and I told her I didn't know. Not one teacher in that school had any idea what I went through for 2 years. Bullied by something like 400 kids a day, that's a lot of people. Especially when they make death threats to your face. After repeatedly trying to tell a teacher what people say to me and getting told "Well Sean you're probably bothering them so go play somewhere else." or "Just walk away" I got fed up and wrote morbid suicide notes all the time, practised self-harm, was obsessed with suicide, blah blah blah and all these other dark things. Just thinking about it is a bit hard to know that that used to be me. I didn't have a real friends until high school. The feeling never goes away.
I was bullied a lot in elementary school; I dealt with it by converting to Wicca, becoming a semi-goth, and making a bogus death-threat or two.
I practiced self-destruction at one singular point, but it never amounted to anything... I can't even see the scar anymore.
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« Reply #52 on: July 20, 2008, 04:42:30 PM »

I have scars all over my arms and my thighs from grades 9-12. I hate them now, but I hate the memories of three failed suicide attempts more.

I'm happy-ish now though :)
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« Reply #53 on: July 20, 2008, 07:52:25 PM »

I would like to die, so i could see how people would react, how would it be... i am intrigued.
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« Reply #54 on: July 20, 2008, 08:35:40 PM »

the only problem with doing that is there is no going back.

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« Reply #55 on: July 20, 2008, 10:24:45 PM »

I would like to die, so i could see how people would react, how would it be... i am intrigued.
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« Reply #56 on: July 20, 2008, 10:26:37 PM »

I would like to die, so i could see how people would react, how would it be... i am intrigued.
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« Reply #57 on: July 20, 2008, 10:26:57 PM »

I would like to die, so i could see how people would react, how would it be... i am intrigued.
That would be cool.. like to see your death and the aftermath of it. Death is facinating.
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« Reply #58 on: July 21, 2008, 08:59:29 PM »

i wrote up a fake memorial for my cousin  and i posted it all over myspace..  within an hour her family had recieved 4 phone calls about it .. it was so funny..
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« Reply #59 on: July 22, 2008, 07:37:34 PM »

i wrote up a fake memorial for my cousin  and i posted it all over myspace..  within an hour her family had recieved 4 phone calls about it .. it was so funny..

Hopefully, they haven't made laws about that yet .__.
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« Reply #60 on: July 22, 2008, 08:54:51 PM »

I would like to die, so i could see how people would react, how would it be... i am intrigued.
That would be cool.. like to see your death and the aftermath of it. Death is facinating.

Maybe or maybe not. The reactions of people might be. The biology of it is rather mundane. If there is a part of human consciousness that is non-material... then it is fascinating. Then again, if that is the case, life is just as fascinating. If it's the curiosity that intrigues, just wait. There is a good chance you will die one day.
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« Reply #61 on: July 30, 2008, 06:34:25 PM »

Am I the only one who think suicide attempts are bullshit? It's rare to be found at the real brink of death and be saved. I really hate when people say they've tried to kill themselves a bunch of times and it just doesn't work.

If you want to die, are you too fucking retarded to get it done? Human bodies aren't that fragile.

I cut for about ten years but knew my anatomy well-enough to stay away from major arteries. On the one occasion I had really thought I'd do it, I ended up with nineteen stitches in my wrist when I realized how fucking stupid I was being.

Point is, kids: if you want to die, you'd be dead. It's not romantic so just shut the fuck up.
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« Reply #62 on: July 30, 2008, 06:55:18 PM »

Am I the only one who think suicide attempts are bullshit? It's rare to be found at the real brink of death and be saved. I really hate when people say they've tried to kill themselves a bunch of times and it just doesn't work.

If you want to die, are you too fucking retarded to get it done? Human bodies aren't that fragile.

I cut for about ten years but knew my anatomy well-enough to stay away from major arteries. On the one occasion I had really thought I'd do it, I ended up with nineteen stitches in my wrist when I realized how fucking stupid I was being.

Point is, kids: if you want to die, you'd be dead. It's not romantic so just shut the fuck up.
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« Reply #63 on: July 30, 2008, 06:57:33 PM »

Yeah... well, I'm usually not such a bitch but not many things get to me like this whole subject. I've known people who've committed suicide and it's really not a fun thing to discuss tricks & tips for.

To me, anyway.
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« Reply #64 on: July 30, 2008, 08:14:24 PM »

Yeah... well, I'm usually not such a bitch but not many things get to me like this whole subject. I've known people who've committed suicide and it's really not a fun thing to discuss tricks & tips for.

To me, anyway.

I don't see this thread as a "Suicide Tips & Tricks" thread so much as a thread in which we discuss the general topic of suicide: Have you ever contemplated suicide? Have you ever attempted? Why did you attempt? How did you attempt? Hypothetically, how would you attempt? The list goes on...

A lot of us are a bunch of weird kids, so we can be expected to have a bit of a death-fascination. However, none of us condone suicide (as far as I know) and are more likely to provide critical support rather than encouragement.
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« Reply #65 on: July 30, 2008, 08:15:57 PM »

Yeah... well, I'm usually not such a bitch but not many things get to me like this whole subject. I've known people who've committed suicide and it's really not a fun thing to discuss tricks & tips for.

To me, anyway.
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« Reply #66 on: July 30, 2008, 08:38:16 PM »

I don't think anyone here has been discussing tips or tricks. I think this is an open forum where, in a thread such as this one, controversy will be stirred and boundaries will be pushed. That said, everyone has so far been respectful in this thread, and I personally do not find it offensive at all--even though I have lost ten people in my life in six years to suicide.
My take on this, as it is on everything else, is that as long as everyone is respectful, any topic is fair game.
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« Reply #67 on: July 30, 2008, 08:53:18 PM »

I don't think anyone here has been discussing tips or tricks. I think this is an open forum where, in a thread such as this one, controversy will be stirred and boundaries will be pushed. That said, everyone has so far been respectful in this thread, and I personally do not find it offensive at all--even though I have lost ten people in my life in six years to suicide.
My take on this, as it is on everything else, is that as long as everyone is respectful, any topic is fair game.
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« Reply #68 on: July 30, 2008, 10:29:36 PM »

No. It's very serious. We should never, ever make light of it. Humor is not an effective coping mechanism, and discussion does not enlighten. The melodramatic voice that cries out in the midst of any conversation like this is not an enabler for the dramatist that uses the idea of suicide and self harm to validate the seriousness of his or her problems. From now on, anything that even rhymes with cutter should trigger a mobilization of an army of therapists and call center volunteers. Any thoughts we have regarding methods of suicide should be pushed deep, deep inside of us... in the bad place, never to surface. We will find ways to cope down there. Alone.
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« Reply #69 on: July 30, 2008, 11:19:27 PM »

No. It's very serious. We should never, ever make light of it. Humor is not an effective coping mechanism, and discussion does not enlighten. The melodramatic voice that cries out in the midst of any conversation like this is not an enabler for the dramatist that uses the idea of suicide and self harm to validate the seriousness of his or her problems. From now on, anything that even rhymes with cutter should trigger a mobilization of an army of therapists and call center volunteers. Any thoughts we have regarding methods of suicide should be pushed deep, deep inside of us... in the bad place, never to surface. We will find ways to cope down there. Alone.
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« Reply #70 on: July 30, 2008, 11:33:29 PM »

If my sarcasm was a body of water, it would take mankind thousands of years to build the courage to cross it.
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« Reply #71 on: July 31, 2008, 12:20:01 AM »

No. It's very serious. We should never, ever make light of it. Humor is not an effective coping mechanism, and discussion does not enlighten. The melodramatic voice that cries out in the midst of any conversation like this is not an enabler for the dramatist that uses the idea of suicide and self harm to validate the seriousness of his or her problems. From now on, anything that even rhymes with cutter should trigger a mobilization of an army of therapists and call center volunteers. Any thoughts we have regarding methods of suicide should be pushed deep, deep inside of us... in the bad place, never to surface. We will find ways to cope down there. Alone.
God, I hope you're being sarcastic.
I agree with that.
I never said we should make light of it.
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« Reply #72 on: July 31, 2008, 12:30:28 AM »

OK. Since my sarcasm makes it difficult to catch my meaning; making light of things is a healthy coping mechanism when used in the general context. That's what humor is. People who can't find the humor in anything don't tend to be as well adjusted as those who can.

Dramatists and cultural cutters do more to trivialize the real issue of suicide than a billion casual, hypothetical and humorous conversations ever could. If you'll read back through the sarcastic statement, now, my point might be a little clearer.
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« Reply #73 on: July 31, 2008, 12:50:45 AM »

OK. Since my sarcasm makes it difficult to catch my meaning; making light of things is a healthy coping mechanism when used in the general context. That's what humor is. People who can't find the humor in anything don't tend to be as well adjusted as those who can.

Dramatists and cultural cutters do more to trivialize the real issue of suicide than a billion casual, hypothetical and humorous conversations ever could. If you'll read back through the sarcastic statement, now, my point might be a little clearer.
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« Reply #74 on: July 31, 2008, 03:58:29 AM »

Shit, I always forget to watch myself on here.

Anyway, I'm not saying this is an offensive thread. It only irritated me. And I'm not saying to not have a sense of humor about anything and everything. This thread just rarely made me laugh. Although I like Dorothy Parker.

I was mostly talking about "I've tried x amount of times" posts. Sorry, but that pisses me off.

I probably would have been into this thread ten years ago, too. Maybe I'm too old for forums. Le sigh.
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« Reply #75 on: July 31, 2008, 11:41:16 PM »

A. Your Not getting too old for them...because that makes me old too. lol
B. I agree you.
C. I wrote 2 post longer but my computer ATE them. BLAH!
People need to..
1. Be informed of the reality of it.  Be informed, Seriously.
2. For some people this is their reality. People that really want to die either do, or find the help they really need.
3. Don't talk about it to be "cool" to romanticize it. Don't talk about the "cool" ways to die.
4. It's not always THAT you joke it's HOW you joke. Learn some tact if you don't have any when it comes to sensitive things.
5. If you don't know what TACT is, look it up. Seriously people.
6.This is just my oppinion. I've seen what it's like for real, and I've been there.
7. Feel free to speak your opinions as freeminded people and not sheep.

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« Reply #76 on: August 01, 2008, 06:07:30 PM »

Anyway, I'm not saying this is an offensive thread. It only irritated me. And I'm not saying to not have a sense of humor about anything and everything. This thread just rarely made me laugh.

I agree... Sure, it's okay to discuss a lot of things. And a great thing of this board is that everyone here can talk about really everything. But this topic is just not my favorite to say the least. Maybe because I had experience with the subject (not that I've attempted myself). But maybe it's just me, taking these kind of things to serious... :-\
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« Reply #79 on: August 01, 2008, 11:49:48 PM »

Shit, I always forget to watch myself on here.

Anyway, I'm not saying this is an offensive thread. It only irritated me. And I'm not saying to not have a sense of humor about anything and everything. This thread just rarely made me laugh. Although I like Dorothy Parker.

I was mostly talking about "I've tried x amount of times" posts. Sorry, but that pisses me off.

I probably would have been into this thread ten years ago, too. Maybe I'm too old for forums. Le sigh.

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« Reply #80 on: August 02, 2008, 08:32:12 AM »

Am I the only one who think suicide attempts are bullshit? It's rare to be found at the real brink of death and be saved. I really hate when people say they've tried to kill themselves a bunch of times and it just doesn't work.

If you want to die, are you too fucking retarded to get it done? Human bodies aren't that fragile.

I cut for about ten years but knew my anatomy well-enough to stay away from major arteries. On the one occasion I had really thought I'd do it, I ended up with nineteen stitches in my wrist when I realized how fucking stupid I was being.

Point is, kids: if you want to die, you'd be dead. It's not romantic so just shut the fuck up.

Thank you. YOu put into words how I have felt on this subject for... well, since I had an opinion.

I'm not insensitive to people who are depressed or have mental health problems, but kids who keep repeating how much they want to die... Then why aren't they dead?
There is a diffference between suicidal behaviour and atention seeking behaviour. The people who others need to b concerned about are those who don't talk about their problems.
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« Reply #81 on: August 02, 2008, 10:19:20 AM »

There is a diffference between suicidal behaviour and atention seeking behaviour. The people who others need to b concerned about are those who don't talk about their problems.

I think both are very important. I was one of those attention-seekers. I really did want to die, mind you, but I was too scared of it. I had been in therapy for years, and I was tired of hearing "it's just situational, you'll get over it." I didn't get over it. I'm still not over it. My therapists were shitty, and ignored my real problems (OCD, anxiety, etc) just because they wanted to avoid medication. They could have avoided the meds without making me feel like a piece of shit, you know? </rant>

But the ones who do it because they think it's COOL? The ones who cut just to show everyone just how very black their soul is? Those people deserve to be successful.
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« Reply #82 on: August 02, 2008, 10:29:54 AM »

But the ones who do it because they think it's COOL? The ones who cut just to show everyone just how very black their soul is? Those people deserve to be successful.

Amen to that.
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« Reply #83 on: August 03, 2008, 02:36:28 AM »

Shit, I always forget to watch myself on here.

Anyway, I'm not saying this is an offensive thread. It only irritated me. And I'm not saying to not have a sense of humor about anything and everything. This thread just rarely made me laugh. Although I like Dorothy Parker.

I was mostly talking about "I've tried x amount of times" posts. Sorry, but that pisses me off.

I probably would have been into this thread ten years ago, too. Maybe I'm too old for forums. Le sigh.

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Then enjoy it, for as long as you may live. I'm not saying I'm too old as in too MATURE for it, just that I've spent too many years of the life that I've lead discussing these things/joking about these things and now it exhausts/irritates me. I was just adding my two cents to the board.

There is a diffference between suicidal behaviour and atention seeking behaviour. The people who others need to b concerned about are those who don't talk about their problems.

I think both are very important. I was one of those attention-seekers. I really did want to die, mind you, but I was too scared of it. I had been in therapy for years, and I was tired of hearing "it's just situational, you'll get over it." I didn't get over it. I'm still not over it. My therapists were shitty, and ignored my real problems (OCD, anxiety, etc) just because they wanted to avoid medication. They could have avoided the meds without making me feel like a piece of shit, you know? </rant>

But the ones who do it because they think it's COOL? The ones who cut just to show everyone just how very black their soul is? Those people deserve to be successful.
Totally agree. And thank heavens for your fear, considering what would have happened without it. I hope you find a GOOD therapist that can deal with the OCD/anxiety/etc because it's something you can overcome with the right resources.
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« Reply #84 on: August 03, 2008, 03:37:43 AM »

it is a natural part of growing up to explore your emotions and discover your own mortality, death suddenly becomes something real and tangible.... It is worrying when suicide becomes a real part of youth culture instead of a fantasy situation.... Bridgend immediately springs to mind....
The body of a 16-year-old girl has been found hanged in picturesque woods near Bridgend. It is the 17th such suicide by a young person from the area in the past year.

Jenna Parry, who lived in the village of Cefn Cribwr, was discovered by a man walking his dog across a woodland area of the village common, about five miles from the small South Wales town. It is thought she was a close friend of at least one other victim.

A total of 17 people aged between 15 and 27 and living in and around Bridgend have hanged themselves since January 2007. Local police, who have dismissed fears of a suicide cult, continue to deny any connection between the deaths.

At least ten of the victims seem to have been known to each other, however, with several having friendship links on Bebo, a social networking site. After their deaths the profiles of many of the victims have quickly been transformed into virtual shrines with condolences and messages such as “sleep tight” and “RIP”.
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« Reply #85 on: August 03, 2008, 10:31:40 AM »

it is a natural part of growing up to explore your emotions and discover your own mortality, death suddenly becomes something real and tangible.... It is worrying when suicide becomes a real part of youth culture instead of a fantasy situation.... Bridgend immediately springs to mind....
The body of a 16-year-old girl has been found hanged in picturesque woods near Bridgend. It is the 17th such suicide by a young person from the area in the past year.

Jenna Parry, who lived in the village of Cefn Cribwr, was discovered by a man walking his dog across a woodland area of the village common, about five miles from the small South Wales town. It is thought she was a close friend of at least one other victim.

A total of 17 people aged between 15 and 27 and living in and around Bridgend have hanged themselves since January 2007. Local police, who have dismissed fears of a suicide cult, continue to deny any connection between the deaths.

At least ten of the victims seem to have been known to each other, however, with several having friendship links on Bebo, a social networking site. After their deaths the profiles of many of the victims have quickly been transformed into virtual shrines with condolences and messages such as “sleep tight” and “RIP”.


What's happening down there right now is such a mystery. The police etc are fobbing it off as coincidence, but I have real fears of suicide cults or (as I would) some subliminal messaging system. It's so sad for the parents who have lost some very young children, and who saw them happy and smiling (as is the case in many of these suicides) mere hours before their bodies have been found.
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« Reply #86 on: August 03, 2008, 02:27:17 PM »

there is evidence to suggest that the same sort of suicide epidemic is starting to happen in other places as well
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Where else?
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Ireland recently...
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« Reply #89 on: August 03, 2008, 02:51:37 PM »

it is a natural part of growing up to explore your emotions and discover your own mortality, death suddenly becomes something real and tangible.... It is worrying when suicide becomes a real part of youth culture instead of a fantasy situation.... Bridgend immediately springs to mind....
The body of a 16-year-old girl has been found hanged in picturesque woods near Bridgend. It is the 17th such suicide by a young person from the area in the past year.

Jenna Parry, who lived in the village of Cefn Cribwr, was discovered by a man walking his dog across a woodland area of the village common, about five miles from the small South Wales town. It is thought she was a close friend of at least one other victim.

A total of 17 people aged between 15 and 27 and living in and around Bridgend have hanged themselves since January 2007. Local police, who have dismissed fears of a suicide cult, continue to deny any connection between the deaths.

At least ten of the victims seem to have been known to each other, however, with several having friendship links on Bebo, a social networking site. After their deaths the profiles of many of the victims have quickly been transformed into virtual shrines with condolences and messages such as “sleep tight” and “RIP”.


What's happening down there right now is such a mystery. The police etc are fobbing it off as coincidence, but I have real fears of suicide cults or (as I would) some subliminal messaging system. It's so sad for the parents who have lost some very young children, and who saw them happy and smiling (as is the case in many of these suicides) mere hours before their bodies have been found.

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« Reply #90 on: August 04, 2008, 05:32:03 PM »

Ireland recently...

Wow... that led me to look up world suicide rates. Eastern Europeans are like lemmings.
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Ireland recently...

Wow... that led me to look up world suicide rates. Eastern Europeans are like lemmings.

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Ireland recently...

Wow... that led me to look up world suicide rates. Eastern Europeans are like lemmings.

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« Reply #93 on: September 11, 2008, 01:01:38 PM »



Shooting myself comes to mind,..., because those are the easiest things to actually do, ... If I die, I want it quick and painless, and everyone to be really sad and depressed.


Shooting yourself doesn't always kill you. Sometimes, it lands you in the critical care unit with a swollen head and tubes down your nose and throat leaving those who care about you with the decision to keep you on life support or take you off and watch you die.

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« Reply #94 on: September 11, 2008, 10:53:38 PM »

Suicide is the final failure. Suicide says they were right. You know the ones. Suicide does harm... and no good. Suicide might not even be the end. Suicide is selfish. Suicide is absolute loss.
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« Reply #95 on: September 12, 2008, 02:26:13 PM »

Suicide is the final failure. Suicide says they were right. You know the ones. Suicide does harm... and no good. Suicide might not even be the end. Suicide is selfish. Suicide is absolute loss.

I wholly disagree, but haven't the energy to formulate a proper argument, so please don't drag me into a WyattDebate. Just thought you'd like to know XD
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« Reply #96 on: September 12, 2008, 02:45:05 PM »

Suicide is the final failure. Suicide says they were right. You know the ones. Suicide does harm... and no good. Suicide might not even be the end. Suicide is selfish. Suicide is absolute loss.

I wholly disagree, but haven't the energy to formulate a proper argument, so please don't drag me into a WyattDebate. Just thought you'd like to know XD
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« Reply #97 on: September 12, 2008, 03:39:09 PM »

OK. I was mistaken.
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« Reply #98 on: September 12, 2008, 05:14:07 PM »

Suicide is the final failure. Suicide says they were right. You know the ones. Suicide does harm... and no good. Suicide might not even be the end. Suicide is selfish. Suicide is absolute loss.

I wholly disagree, but haven't the energy to formulate a proper argument, so please don't drag me into a WyattDebate. Just thought you'd like to know XD

I'm quite capable of this argument. What is it about what he said that you don't agree with? I want to hear what you have to say, before I chime in with my own stories and first hand observations, stories of having to put my life back together, not once, but twice, after suicides.
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« Reply #99 on: September 12, 2008, 06:41:13 PM »

OK. I was mistaken.
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« Reply #100 on: September 12, 2008, 06:42:38 PM »

Honestly, I might be willing to yield a little on the "no good" claim, to a limited extent, in rare cases. Hitler might have done some good by fellating a Ruger in 1938. Even then, he'd have done better just chilling the fuck out.

It definitely fuck up the lives of other people. Fact. That covers one point.

It might not even be the end. Well, it might not be. We can believe it is an end to suffering, but that assumes every facet of our consciousness is material. I'm not going to start a big thing on that, but suicide gambles a lot on that assumption.

Survival is the most primal success. Therefore, suicide is failure. Every accomplishment or goal (other than achieving premature death) has failed at the moment of suicide. All enlightenment and wisdom has failed to materialize. The committer of suicide has failed to gain perspective.

Suicide is selfish. Some people claim that everything is, ultimately, self-serving in its conception, but suicide takes the cake. "I'm done. I can't face anymore. I feel guilt. I'm leaving someone else to clean up the messes. Oh, I forgot to mention how pointless it is. In the grand scheme of things, you're heading toward death either way. You are on this one ride. There are things you can do with it, even through the hardest times and most wrenching pain. Live or fail?

Absolute loss. Every positive moment of the future (and there are) is gone. Even terminal patients and life sentencers enjoy moments of the human experience. Even pain gives us something. At the moment of suicide, it is all lost.
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« Reply #101 on: September 12, 2008, 06:43:28 PM »

OK. I was mistaken.
No, but now I think you are.

I just thought I'd try it on for size. It's a little short in the sleeves.
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« Reply #102 on: September 12, 2008, 06:46:10 PM »

OK. I was mistaken.
No, but now I think you are.
I just thought I'd try it on for size. It's a little short in the sleeves.
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« Reply #104 on: September 13, 2008, 12:27:57 PM »

Right, I've had a snooze and a cup of tea (actually, more like about 12 hours in bed and around 30 cups of tea...) and I'm ready to go!

I believe that we can only be in control of what we ourselves feel and how we react to things, not other people, just as, no matter how much we try and empathise and hypothesise, we can't possibly know how anyone else is feeling. Therefore, if someone feels like they can't go on living any more, and that there's no other alternative, then for them, suicide is the right thing to do. It's a personal thing, and can only be appreciated from their perspective - everyone else's reactions to are essentially irrelevant. What's more, I don't think that anyone considering suicide is gonna ignore how other people are going to have to deal with it, and if that's not enough motivation for them to change their minds, then who are we to argue with it?

I also don't agree that we are here "one this one ride", which is definitely shifting my perspective. I believe (and please don't pick this apart, cos it's a very fuzzy theory but it's really all I have!) that there are a finite number of "souls", if you wanna use that word, in existence, and so you're gonna get a chance to go round again. And again, and again. You wouldn't know this was another time round, but it would be there. So, bringing one to a speedy end isn't that much of an issue. (I mean, considering the real bigness of the universe. Obviously, for your little social network, it's a huge thing, but in the grand scheme of things...)

What's more, the suicide of someone close would change people's ideas and attitudes to life - it might move people to be more open about their feelings, to avoid going down that dark path. Or it could bring people together, help them realise the importance of being there for one another.

I will admit, I've got no experience of suicide, and I'm sorry if I offend anyone. I just wanted to express why I disagreed with Wyatt. I hope I didn't mess that up - I'm not very good at this sort of thing.
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« Reply #105 on: September 13, 2008, 12:50:57 PM »

So, if you might go around again, might it be something to consider... what impact will the way you exit this incarnation have on your next?

I know that people, when they commit suicide, are in a state of mind that is beyond what I have experienced. Obviously, that it self-defining. I knew a guy with severe, clinical depression problems. His sister pushed him to get tested for HIV, and he found out he was positive. He ran through a window of an upper floor apartment, killing himself. I don't think he intended to hurt of be selfish. I don't think he was being childish or inconsiderate. He was probably beyond these considerations. I say the things I say about suicide, not to condemn those who've done the deed, but to offer a perspective to those who might. If one person embraces a perspective that keeps them from ending things before they have even had a chance to be as happy as they would have, eventually... or if they think about any of the ideas... then a good thing has happened.

To go back to one of your ideas though; we can't know how anyone else is feeling.

"Therefore, if someone feels like they can't go on living any more, and that there's no other alternative, then for them, suicide is the right thing to do. It's a personal thing, and can only be appreciated from their perspective - everyone else's reactions to are essentially irrelevant. What's more, I don't think that anyone considering suicide is gonna ignore how other people are going to have to deal with it, and if that's not enough motivation for them to change their minds, then who are we to argue with it?"

Couldn't we say that to about a rapist?
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« Reply #106 on: September 13, 2008, 01:02:52 PM »

To go back to one of your ideas though; we can't know how anyone else is feeling.

"Therefore, if someone feels like they can't go on living any more, and that there's no other alternative, then for them, suicide is the right thing to do. It's a personal thing, and can only be appreciated from their perspective - everyone else's reactions to are essentially irrelevant. What's more, I don't think that anyone considering suicide is gonna ignore how other people are going to have to deal with it, and if that's not enough motivation for them to change their minds, then who are we to argue with it?"

Couldn't we say that to about a rapist?
While I agree with your larger point, the fact that a rapist, by definition, inflicts his screwed-up perspective upon
someone else renders this argument invalid.  As most of us here have learned, rape is all about control.  Suicide
more likely reflects a feeling that one has no control, so the suicidal individual is more analogous to the rape victim.
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« Reply #107 on: September 13, 2008, 02:08:13 PM »

I see the differences, but a suicide hurts people too. I think Heather could lend some perspective here.

Rape being about control is too universally stated. It's not a scientific conclusion. It is a feminist talking point. Some people have no impulse control. Some people act in desperation. Some act in ignorance of the impact they have. Remember, date rape is rape too. You don't think some guys are just selfish and want to finish what was started? There are a lot of people in the field of sexual behavioral sciences that reject the idea that rape is (and by is, we mean universally) about control. Susan Brownmiller was not a scientist.... or even a social worker. The thing about rape that most of us were taught, was her belief about the politics of rape.

That's a bit of a digression though. The rapist and the suicidal person oth make a choice. They are both compelled by something that we can only relate to if we share their perspective. Both actions cause painful trauma for others. Both are extensions of personal trauma, and both are acted upon with the self in mind.
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« Reply #108 on: September 13, 2008, 08:19:37 PM »

...or they're compelled by something we all experience every day, but we have the [whatever] to set the compulsion
aside, whether it requires conscious effort, or if it doesn't even manifest to the extent of a conscious thought.
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« Reply #109 on: September 14, 2008, 03:51:47 AM »

Possibly. Probably. I don't know if I have experienced the same feelings as rapists or suicide cases, but you are probably right. Still, in both cases there is a better decision, and I can't just act like the chorus of "life just doesn't seem worth living sometimes" is a healthy state of mind to embrace.
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« Reply #110 on: September 14, 2008, 07:48:00 AM »

A-a-a-and.... I'm back to being sleepy and confused. Man, I wish my brain would keep up with itself. There's stuff I want to say and don't know how, and feelings that I can't even /think/ in words... Pshyah. I need a Dumbass Translator.
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« Reply #111 on: September 14, 2008, 01:04:08 PM »

A-a-a-and.... I'm back to being sleepy and confused. Man, I wish my brain would keep up with itself. There's stuff I want to say and don't know how, and feelings that I can't even /think/ in words... Pshyah. I need a psychobabble Translator.
Sorry...
Nyyorkskyyikwawks': Maybe what drives people to suicide is some feeling that other people have never felt, and could never understand.
                Perhaps it's like the complusion that drives rapists...


Me: Or maybe both rapists and people who try to kill themselves feel things just like the rest of us, but they can't deal with those feelings
                in a way that doesn't involve suicide or rape.


Nyyorkskyyikwawks': You may be right.  We probably feel the same things, but those people deal with them in the wrong ways.



I really need to read/see A Clockwork Orange....
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« Reply #112 on: September 14, 2008, 01:14:16 PM »

A-a-a-and.... I'm back to being sleepy and confused. Man, I wish my brain would keep up with itself. There's stuff I want to say and don't know how, and feelings that I can't even /think/ in words... Pshyah. I need a psychobabble Translator.
Sorry...
Nyyorkskyyikwawks': Maybe what drives people to suicide is some feeling that other people have never felt, and could never understand.
                Perhaps it's like the complusion that drives rapists...


Me: Or maybe both rapists and people who try to kill themselves feel things just like the rest of us, but they can't deal with those feelings
                in a way that doesn't involve suicide or rape.


Nyyorkskyyikwawks': You may be right.  We probably feel the same things, but those people deal with them in the wrong ways.



I really need to read/see A Clockwork Orange....


Ooh, I didn't meant that you're dumbasses! I meant so's I could translate my own dumbassyness into English and then you'd know what I meant. Sorry! But the pyschobabble translation, also useful ^_^  And yes, you should absolutely read A Clockwork Orange - read it before you watch it, and then watch the damn hell out of it.
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« Reply #113 on: September 21, 2008, 04:05:50 PM »

I think it's really important that people talk about suicidal thoughts. Sometimes just by being able to explore the thoughts that make them want to end their life it can help them resolve those thoughts and maybe help them seek appropriate support.

p.s. it's probably a reasonable time to mention The Samaritans number if you're in the UK-it's 08457 90 90 90 or you can email them if you prefer. Sorry I don't know numbers for elsewhere but there should always be somewhere you can call
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« Reply #114 on: September 21, 2008, 04:08:58 PM »

I think it's really important that people talk about suicidal thoughts. Sometimes just by being able to explore the thoughts that make them want to end their life it can help them resolve those thoughts and maybe help them seek appropriate support.

p.s. it's probably a reasonable time to mention The Samaritans number if you're in the UK-it's 08457 90 90 90 or you can email them if you prefer. Sorry I don't know numbers for elsewhere but there should always be somewhere you can call
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