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"digital dirt"
« on: July 24, 2008, 10:13:47 PM »

It seems to be a hot topic. Employers can eliminate potential employees from a pool of candidates based on web history. That means political views too.
Something trivial, like making a sarcastic comment about a certain recording artist might be held against me. I don't really know what they'd look for.

I'm terrified that my fascination with Star Wars (and disliking the commercial factor that comes with it to the point of criticising the focus on humans in a galaxy full of aliens), alien mating habits, and the like will be dug up if someone searches my first name (it being very, very uncommon), and held against me. Otherwise, I'm well-behaved in the usual factors (no drinking binges, no abundance of one-night stands, no political scandals etc...)

However, when I search my full name, it doesn't turn up. I use different screen names for that purpose (although my DA and LJ names are a dead giveaway). Thank goodness Google doesn't cache my DA page from several years ago. Do I have something to worry about? Do you have something to worry about?
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2008, 12:05:49 AM »

I suppose it depends a lot on what sort of employers and positions you're looking at.  I doubt the manager
down at the Sack O' Suds is going to go to the trouble of looking up a prospective fry-cook online.  On the
other hand, a prospective Assistant Attorney General or even Executive Assistant to the CEO of some F500
corporation might expect to be pretty thoroughly checked out.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2008, 12:07:28 AM »

If you search my name, you'll only get my CV on my uni website. I never use my real last name, especially not on freaking face book. It's too easy to be tracked!
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2008, 02:12:35 PM »

You cant search my name on facebook or email because my resume has a real name and a legit email. Although you could probably find me on youtube. Which sucks......a lot of ass. I mean if I applied for "normal" work and not a professional working area then I'd be fine. Or maybe if my employer knew nothing about good music I'd be fine.

cant google my name, livejournal and blogger cant be found either. I think I'm safe.
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2008, 02:16:25 PM »

...is the position of concept artist selective about these sort of things? I mean, the movies/tv series they work on are pretty raunchy in themselves.

What about sexual psychology? Do employers expect people in that field to be completely "clean"?
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2008, 04:39:42 PM »

...is the position of concept artist selective about these sort of things? I mean, the movies/tv series they work on are pretty raunchy in themselves.

What about sexual psychology? Do employers expect people in that field to be completely "clean"?
I'd guess the artist people won't give two rips.

If you're being considered for a responsible position in a mental-health facility, they might run a check
on you, but they'd also be more likely than most to recognize truly "deviant" behavior, as opposed to
the occasional dirty joke on your MySpace or something.  If you have an e-trail that leads back to a
giant storehouse of kiddie-porn...  well, if that's the case, I relly don't wanna talk to you, but I don't
suppose it's terribly likely....  anyway, something like that might take some splainin'.
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Re: "digital dirt"
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2008, 04:48:21 PM »

...is the position of concept artist selective about these sort of things? I mean, the movies/tv series they work on are pretty raunchy in themselves.

What about sexual psychology? Do employers expect people in that field to be completely "clean"?
I'd guess the artist people won't give two rips.

If you're being considered for a responsible position in a mental-health facility, they might run a check
on you, but they'd also be more likely than most to recognize truly "deviant" behavior, as opposed to
the occasional dirty joke on your MySpace or something.  If you have an e-trail that leads back to a
giant storehouse of kiddie-porn...  well, if that's the case, I relly don't wanna talk to you, but I don't
suppose it's terribly likely....  anyway, something like that might take some splainin'.

Which direction did the psychologist go?
Down the psychopath!

I wonder what they consider deviant in Japan. I mean, it's legal over there to draw fictional pubescent girls in compromising situations. But that's another issue, and probably is about the same as over here. I don't have any stashes on my computer, thank goodness.
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2008, 05:01:41 PM »

I wonder what they consider deviant in Japan. I mean, it's legal over there to draw fictional pubescent girls in compromising situations. But that's another issue, and probably is about the same as over here. I don't have any stashes on my computer, thank goodness.
I seem to recall seeing somewhere that it's not unusual to see middle-aged suit-and-tie guys
reading hentai on the commuter train, so that may be a pretty good question.
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2008, 05:31:51 PM »

Here's an interesting tie-in, well, it almost relates.

A friend of a friend, let's say, is undergoing the rigorous selection process for what is, I believe from the description of the said selection process, a job in MI5 - otherwise known as the "Security Service". It's a long, convoluted process which included an interview in his own home.

That's a two hour (minimum) interview and you're asked extremely personal questions. So how would you answer this one, and what's your reasoning:

> Do you watch pornography on the internet?

Remember, you're at about month five of a six month ordeal and you want this job...
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2008, 05:34:49 PM »

Here's an interesting tie-in, well, it almost relates.

A friend of a friend, let's say, is undergoing the rigorous selection process for what is, I believe from the description of the said selection process, a job in MI5 - otherwise known as the "Security Service". It's a long, convoluted process which included an interview in his own home.

That's a two hour (minimum) interview and you're asked extremely personal questions. So how would you answer this one, and what's your reasoning:

> Do you watch pornography on the internet?

Remember, you're at about month five of a six month ordeal and you want this job...
I say of course, all the time, and show them the (damn near SFW) shortcut I created for just such an occasion.

(Oh, and KW, I quite liked the shots of yer mum.  Very tasteful.  O0 )
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2008, 05:42:20 PM »

Here's an interesting tie-in, well, it almost relates.

A friend of a friend, let's say, is undergoing the rigorous selection process for what is, I believe from the description of the said selection process, a job in MI5 - otherwise known as the "Security Service". It's a long, convoluted process which included an interview in his own home.

That's a two hour (minimum) interview and you're asked extremely personal questions. So how would you answer this one, and what's your reasoning:

> Do you watch pornography on the internet?

Remember, you're at about month five of a six month ordeal and you want this job...
I say of course, all the time, and show them the (damn near SFW) shortcut I created for just such an occasion.

(Oh, and KW, I quite liked the shots of yer mum.  Very tasteful.  O0 )

"I feel so naughty when I gently use my fingers to take off my stockings"
 Except when I'm tied up and I use my teeth...

"I love teasing you with my eyes when I undress for your pleasure"

That's the beauty of having a glass eye...
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2008, 05:43:52 PM »

Here's an interesting tie-in, well, it almost relates.

A friend of a friend, let's say, is undergoing the rigorous selection process for what is, I believe from the description of the said selection process, a job in MI5 - otherwise known as the "Security Service". It's a long, convoluted process which included an interview in his own home.

That's a two hour (minimum) interview and you're asked extremely personal questions. So how would you answer this one, and what's your reasoning:

> Do you watch pornography on the internet?

Remember, you're at about month five of a six month ordeal and you want this job...
I say of course, all the time, and show them the (damn near SFW) shortcut I created for just such an occasion.

(Oh, and KW, I quite liked the shots of yer mum.  Very tasteful.  O0 )

"I feel so naughty when I gently use my fingers to take off my stockings"
 Except when I'm tied up and I use my teeth...

"I love teasing you with my eyes when I undress for your pleasure"

That's the beauty of having a glass eye...
That's the set exactly!
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2008, 05:45:40 PM »

Cgb, your mom makes a lousy breakfast, by the way.
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2008, 06:04:30 PM »

Cgb, your mom makes a lousy breakfast, by the way.
Yes, well your mum....

...um...

Yer mum wears ugly clothes (when she wears clothes at all, which ain't often from what I hear)...



Damn....  I'm simply no good at Yer Mom... :embarassed:
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2008, 06:19:24 PM »

Your mom farted when I took it out.

Ewww. Okay. Enough. I win.

For a prize I return this thread to Colordeaf.
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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2008, 06:27:12 PM »

Your mom farted when I took it out.

Ewww. Okay. Enough. I win.

For a prize I return this thread to Colordeaf.
Shouldn't that be Colourdleaf?
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2008, 06:29:56 PM »

If a vegetable, then yes.

You anglo-hippy.
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2008, 06:36:22 PM »

If a vegetable, then yes.

You anglo-hippy.
Oh, I forgot, your dad was probably an American...  sorry.
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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2008, 08:01:15 PM »

It's colordeaf because Amanda spelled it as "colorblind".

I wouldn't know how to answer that question about pornography. What would the employer expect? Would a straight "no" be taken as denial?

I wonder what kind of web trail my dad would leave. He uses his own name in his emails (but never uses forums).
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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2008, 08:24:31 PM »

I think it's a great question. The first reaction would be to say no. I bet most people do. But they're up against an experienced interviewer, who, incidentally gives nothing away. I bet the candidates do though, with a casual scratch of the nose or stroke of an earlobe.

It's like a Voight-Kampff test, I think. Who is prepared to be honest at the interview? After all, viewing material doesn't necessarily mean you are liable to be compromised in the future, say if you were working as a field operative or something, whereas covering stuff up could leave you vulnerable.

Oh dear, I'd fall for a honey-trap everytime, anyway.
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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2008, 08:28:08 PM »

The company I work for now did a background check on me that took them a month. It's not a high level position, but it is a Fortune 500 (#79) corporation, and it offers virtually unlimited advancement opportunities and aggressive training to whatever end you choose. My web presence would allow the company to discover things about my history with sex, drugs, unpopular politics, legal issues, family issues and a host of other possible deal breakers.

Interestingly enough, none of this became a problem. The fact that I run an active forum based on free expression was actually discussed at length during my second interview. I don't think I'll be providing them with a link, but I am certainly not paranoid about my trail of crumbs.
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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2008, 08:34:08 PM »

Wouldn't a company like that fall foul of your (USA, I mean) quite stringent "Freedom of Expression" laws anyway, if they were to restrict your right to employment / career progression because of it?

I can see how they'd look for corporate loopholes if, say, you were revealing sensitive information / making derogatory statements about them or their activities but I'd think it's a very thin line regards law. Maybe not?

Presumably this is all subject to whether you use a pseudonym or not, online?
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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2008, 08:54:06 PM »

Wouldn't a company like that fall foul of your (USA, I mean) quite stringent "Freedom of Expression" laws anyway, if they were to restrict your right to employment / career progression because of it?

I can see how they'd look for corporate loopholes if, say, you were revealing sensitive information / making derogatory statements about them or their activities but I'd think it's a very thin line regards law. Maybe not?

Presumably this is all subject to whether you use a pseudonym or not, online?

I think most companies who do this probably eliminate candidates before even considering interviews if they find objectionable content.

I definately think a pseudonym is a great investment. I've been using them, and the stuff I think would offend viewers is hidden or buried. As long as I don't slip and provide my full name in a comment, I think I'll be fine. I just hope none of them get smart enough to search my first name only.
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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2008, 09:39:12 PM »

If they happen to search for yosmark... they will get to all of the forums i am registered on... i don´t think people do a research like this one in México, you never know...
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« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2008, 10:39:33 PM »

Wouldn't a company like that fall foul of your (USA, I mean) quite stringent "Freedom of Expression" laws anyway, if they were to restrict your right to employment / career progression because of it?

I can see how they'd look for corporate loopholes if, say, you were revealing sensitive information / making derogatory statements about them or their activities but I'd think it's a very thin line regards law. Maybe not?

Presumably this is all subject to whether you use a pseudonym or not, online?

I think it would be a pretty easy path from my real name to my pseudonymns. The path could and would also lead to discussion of activities that might not jive with the image of such a company. Speech? You're right. It would be a dangerous trick for a company to say they weren't interested in hiring a person based on thier politics or philosophies.

Unless it has to do with race.
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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2008, 12:15:08 AM »

Wouldn't a company like that fall foul of your (USA, I mean) quite stringent "Freedom of Expression" laws anyway, if they were to restrict your right to employment / career progression because of it?

I can see how they'd look for corporate loopholes if, say, you were revealing sensitive information / making derogatory statements about them or their activities but I'd think it's a very thin line regards law. Maybe not?

Presumably this is all subject to whether you use a pseudonym or not, online?
Free expression is only guaranteed against government suppression.  Employers have quite broad latitude
as to what manner of 'extracurricular' activities they're willing to tolerate among their employees.  There
are legal protections to discourage discrimination based upon your sex, age (within specific ranges), religion,
national origin (as long as you have legal documentation that says it's ok for you to work here)  and a couple
of other things I think.  If you wanna fire someone for any of those, you have to make up a different excuse.
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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2008, 02:28:13 AM »

I know there are people out there, specially ones that live in Toronto that are the CEO of these fancy companies. But they have a secret! They be into bondage and have videos of them on xtube fucking with lates on and facials. I personally would not care if my boss did that, I'd watch him everynight before going to bed. then I'd blackmail him into giving me a raise. Hehehehehe.
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« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2008, 01:47:20 PM »

Free expression is only guaranteed against government suppression.  Employers have quite broad latitude
as to what manner of 'extracurricular' activities they're willing to tolerate among their employees.  There
are legal protections to discourage discrimination based upon your sex, age (within specific ranges), religion,
national origin (as long as you have legal documentation that says it's ok for you to work here)  and a couple
of other things I think.  If you wanna fire someone for any of those, you have to make up a different excuse.

The company is actually very focused of diversity, believing it fosters a better connection with the diverse customer base.
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« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2008, 04:47:18 PM »

I'm fortunate in that my full name (sans middle name) is shared by a prominent ObGYN. It acts as a smoke screen...you'd have to dig pretty deep to get me.

I changed my username for a reason similar to this (other than the fact I wanted a change). It's far to easy to search my old username and get a bead on me. Try searching Kovacs...  :)

It isn't illegal for a company to find something personal about you, that's public, that they don't like, and not hire you because of it. Fire you? Very difficult. But think of it this way, if you were a total jerk in an interview, would that count against you? Probably. Anything they can find with a google search falls under the same realm, public evidence of character.

There was a whole article on CNN about how District Attorneys are starting to use Myspace and Facebook as character evidence. The examples they cited included drunk drivers shown with drinks and partying after their accident (as evidence that they feel no remorse). There was even one shmuck who dressed like a convict with the words "Jail Bird" written on his costume for Halloween (he'd killed someone driving drunk).

The evidence held up. So watch what you put out there. Don't use your real name, ever, if you are ashamed of something you are doing or don't want it to be public. This is all real.  :)
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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2008, 04:58:39 PM »

This is all real.  :)

Which makes for a fascinating discussion aboout "Performance Spaces". The digital arena is a legitimate performance space and many artists are exploring ways of utilising it. I'd get the lawyers onto that one.
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« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2008, 05:21:04 PM »

This is all real.  :)

Which makes for a fascinating discussion aboout "Performance Spaces". The digital arena is a legitimate performance space and many artists are exploring ways of utilising it. I'd get the lawyers onto that one.

That would be a very interesting discussion. I hadn't really thought of it that way. You might have discovered a nice loophole. Quick! Everyone call themselves performance artists, and we're straight!  :)
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« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2008, 07:49:23 PM »

There is more than ample evidence that online personas and identification are often fabricated. You should set up decoys if you're doing dirt. Say, for instance, you are cheating on your wife. Set up mock accounts on forums, messengers and e-mail addresses. Interact with them as sexual partners, drug dealers, arms dealers, alien hybrid spies and cult leaders. When one is discovered, reveal the extent of your performance art.

That's what I used to do when I was the Surgeon General of the Mongolian Secret Service.
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« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2008, 08:02:07 PM »

It's a legal gray area though, isn't it? I mean, you could do a performance in a public area that involves you screaming "FIRE!" and it would still be illegal, fabricated or not.
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« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2008, 10:49:31 PM »

The specific exception refers to creating a situation in which it is likely that someone will be harmed. If the characters claim something catastrophic is about to happen... or make threats, that's a different situation. If I made a character on the internet, and that character spoke freely of drug deals and seedy sexual encounters, no one would have a legal leg to stand on in a divorce case or a narcotics case. We'd have to arrest half the rappers in America.
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« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2008, 01:55:25 AM »

I was all ready to argue until the rappers comment. Now I'm stuck.

Why...why don't they do that. Summabitch.
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« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2008, 10:21:40 PM »

I sold a kilo of heroin to five twelve year olds in a treehouse once. Four were boys. One was a girl. I killed and ate her.
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« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2008, 10:28:12 PM »

I sold a kilo of heroin to five twelve year olds in a treehouse once. Four were boys. One was a girl. I killed and ate her.

The expected response would be "photos or it didn't happen."

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Re: "digital dirt"
« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2008, 10:33:06 PM »

If I wasn't absolutely photoshop illiterate, I would make that happen.
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