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Will you vote for Obama again?
« on: September 18, 2012, 12:59:38 AM »

This is out of pure curiosity on my part as I have a few friends who voted for Obama back in 2008 and will not be voting for him again this year.

If you voted for President Obama in 2008, are you going to vote for him again in 2012?

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Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2012, 01:52:46 AM »

I didn't and I won't.

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Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2012, 02:19:31 AM »

I did, and I will.  I think of myself as very much a political independent and centrist.
I didn't expect him to waltz in and solve all the world's (or even the nation's) troubles,
and I think he's done at least as good a job as could be asked under the circumstances.


....and of course, the only remotely realistic alternative at this point is Mitt frickin' Romney...



My great dream for the upcoming election, though, is the oh-so-slim chance that we
might actually be able to jettison my p-o-s Congressman.
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Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2012, 09:04:18 AM »

Absolutely! Can I vote for him twice?
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Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2012, 08:16:08 PM »

I'm throwing my vote away on Gary Johnson.

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Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2012, 08:51:57 PM »

I'm completely throwing my vote away and not voting at all this year. I don't like either of them.

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Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2012, 11:58:20 PM »

I did and will be again.
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Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2012, 02:27:11 AM »

I'm completely throwing my vote away and not voting at all this year. I don't like either of them.
Popular choice, but IMHO a poor one. 

ONE of these two is going to win the election.  If you have any preference at all, it's in everyone's interest
for you to express it. (...and if you won't do that, at least vote to replace your congress-person, regardless
of party-affiliation, cuz really, as long as Congress feels free to play pure-partisanship without fear of immediate
consequences, no compromise will happen, and OUR government will do nothing.)
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Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2012, 09:53:24 AM »

as an avowed socialist, I will hold my nose and vote for him again - just like I did last time.

seriously, people who call Obama a "socialist" crack me up - find one actual socialist who will claim him as one of their own.

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Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2012, 10:23:24 AM »

If I wind up going to the polls at all I will vote for everything else on the ballot except president. I just can't bring myself to vote for either of them. Voting third party is just as much a waste of a vote as not voting.

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Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2012, 12:05:54 PM »

Only because so many hold that opinion.

You can't expect everyone else to fix the flaws and allow you to walk into a perfect system.

Be the change.

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Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2012, 08:59:39 PM »

I'm completely throwing my vote away and not voting at all this year. I don't like either of them.
Popular choice, but IMHO a poor one. 

ONE of these two is going to win the election.  If you have any preference at all, it's in everyone's interest
for you to express it.

If you believe Obama is the better candidate do you think it is in your best interest if I vote for Romney?  I don't think your statement makes sense.

Let's say I have a very weak preference for Obama by 4 cents.  The probability of my vote changing the election outcome is such an astronomically small figure that no human being (not even the Rainman) could wrap their head around it.  So the expected payoff for me voting is less than I could find in loose change in my couch.

My coworkers who play the lottery acknowledge that it is mathematically a bad deal... they say they play it anyway because what they are really paying for is the dreams of what they would do with the money if they win.  I accept that as valid but that's all you really get out of voting.  When you are voting you are paying (with time) for the fantasy that you control government.  And if your reply to this involves something like "if everyone thought that..." it is invalid because you only control you.  You are not a collective that can control things.

There is no response to the rational expectations theory argument against voting that involves any hard logic.  Responses to this often involve very subjective claims about ethics.  I think the late, great George Carlin does a good job of responding to that approach:

<a href="http://youtube.com/v/xIraCchPDhk" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://youtube.com/v/xIraCchPDhk</a>

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Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2012, 10:17:16 PM »

And if your reply to this involves something like "if everyone thought that..." it is invalid because you only control you. You are not a collective that can control things.

I could convince you otherwise, and demonstrate that we affect others too.
But I would have to demonstrate it in order to convince you.

So if you allow yourself to be convinced I will prove I'm right, but you can prove you're right simply by refusing to be convinced by me, so this is a pretty exasperating argument to make.
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Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2012, 02:54:38 AM »

I'm completely throwing my vote away and not voting at all this year. I don't like either of them.
Popular choice, but IMHO a poor one. 

ONE of these two is going to win the election.  If you have any preference at all, it's in everyone's interest
for you to express it.

If you believe Obama is the better candidate do you think it is in your best interest if I vote for Romney?  I don't think your statement makes sense.
Like I said...  IF you have any preference....  That goes for you and the thousands
and thousands of others who aren't terribly enthused by the available candidates.

Suppose, for whatever barely-preceived reason, 75% of you barely-prefer the same
guy?  That's got to count for something.  If, on the other hand, you're split 50/50 in
your disinterest, then no harm's been done.


If you really have no preference whatsoever, then you really should refrain from voting
in this particular race (and maybe get involved early in the process for 2016, so there's
a better chance of having a candidate in the general election who appeals to you).
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Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2012, 03:16:18 AM »

I'm from Australia where we have compulsory voting so I may be completely biased...but I think that it's super important that everyone pays at least a little attention to the candidates and knows enough to make an intelligent decision on who'd they'd most like to govern their country. You don't have to love them, but you should get a say in who will end up governing your livelihoods. If not, that's a huge chunk of the population missing and it usually isn't evenly spread over all demographics.

Sorry, I sound like a mother or something equally unpleasant. I don't care who you vote for...but please do. =)
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