THESHADOWBOX.NET

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Amanda is making Art with your support on Patreon. Join become a patron and help AFP make ALL THE THINGS.

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 ... 11 [All]   Go Down

Author Topic: Will you vote for Obama again?  (Read 18570 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

music box

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4441
    • http://icemyeyes.deviantart.com/
Will you vote for Obama again?
« on: September 18, 2012, 12:59:38 AM »

This is out of pure curiosity on my part as I have a few friends who voted for Obama back in 2008 and will not be voting for him again this year.

If you voted for President Obama in 2008, are you going to vote for him again in 2012?

Cheddars Cousin

  • I'm no Gouda
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1321
  • Legendairy
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2012, 01:52:46 AM »

I didn't and I won't.

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2012, 02:19:31 AM »

I did, and I will.  I think of myself as very much a political independent and centrist.
I didn't expect him to waltz in and solve all the world's (or even the nation's) troubles,
and I think he's done at least as good a job as could be asked under the circumstances.


....and of course, the only remotely realistic alternative at this point is Mitt frickin' Romney...



My great dream for the upcoming election, though, is the oh-so-slim chance that we
might actually be able to jettison my p-o-s Congressman.
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

RiverVox

  • I'm a believer.
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 503
  • Goodbye to blueberry pie
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2012, 09:04:18 AM »

Absolutely! Can I vote for him twice?
Logged
Fairy tales are more than true: not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten. ~ Neil Gaiman

Cheddars Cousin

  • I'm no Gouda
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1321
  • Legendairy
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2012, 08:16:08 PM »

I'm throwing my vote away on Gary Johnson.

music box

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4441
    • http://icemyeyes.deviantart.com/
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2012, 08:51:57 PM »

I'm completely throwing my vote away and not voting at all this year. I don't like either of them.

meganpaige

  • has 74 Indja Points.
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 3007
  • I am a delicious boat.
    • twitter
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2012, 11:58:20 PM »

I did and will be again.
Logged
"nobody's going to come up to you and tell you to stop cuddling a monk and put your seatbelt on and while i'm over here what the fuck are you doing cuddling this monk?" - amanda fucking palmer

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2012, 02:27:11 AM »

I'm completely throwing my vote away and not voting at all this year. I don't like either of them.
Popular choice, but IMHO a poor one. 

ONE of these two is going to win the election.  If you have any preference at all, it's in everyone's interest
for you to express it. (...and if you won't do that, at least vote to replace your congress-person, regardless
of party-affiliation, cuz really, as long as Congress feels free to play pure-partisanship without fear of immediate
consequences, no compromise will happen, and OUR government will do nothing.)
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

imaginary friend

  • Enigmagnetic
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 14904
  • up in flames
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2012, 09:53:24 AM »

as an avowed socialist, I will hold my nose and vote for him again - just like I did last time.

seriously, people who call Obama a "socialist" crack me up - find one actual socialist who will claim him as one of their own.

music box: like CGB says, vote your state and local candidates and issues! don't stay home!

music box

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4441
    • http://icemyeyes.deviantart.com/
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2012, 10:23:24 AM »

If I wind up going to the polls at all I will vote for everything else on the ballot except president. I just can't bring myself to vote for either of them. Voting third party is just as much a waste of a vote as not voting.

Cheddars Cousin

  • I'm no Gouda
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1321
  • Legendairy
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2012, 12:05:54 PM »

Only because so many hold that opinion.

You can't expect everyone else to fix the flaws and allow you to walk into a perfect system.

Be the change.

Tiervexx

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2388
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2012, 08:59:39 PM »

I'm completely throwing my vote away and not voting at all this year. I don't like either of them.
Popular choice, but IMHO a poor one. 

ONE of these two is going to win the election.  If you have any preference at all, it's in everyone's interest
for you to express it.

If you believe Obama is the better candidate do you think it is in your best interest if I vote for Romney?  I don't think your statement makes sense.

Let's say I have a very weak preference for Obama by 4 cents.  The probability of my vote changing the election outcome is such an astronomically small figure that no human being (not even the Rainman) could wrap their head around it.  So the expected payoff for me voting is less than I could find in loose change in my couch.

My coworkers who play the lottery acknowledge that it is mathematically a bad deal... they say they play it anyway because what they are really paying for is the dreams of what they would do with the money if they win.  I accept that as valid but that's all you really get out of voting.  When you are voting you are paying (with time) for the fantasy that you control government.  And if your reply to this involves something like "if everyone thought that..." it is invalid because you only control you.  You are not a collective that can control things.

There is no response to the rational expectations theory argument against voting that involves any hard logic.  Responses to this often involve very subjective claims about ethics.  I think the late, great George Carlin does a good job of responding to that approach:

<a href="http://youtube.com/v/xIraCchPDhk" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://youtube.com/v/xIraCchPDhk</a>

Logged

Félix Marqués

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 294
  • ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2012, 10:17:16 PM »

And if your reply to this involves something like "if everyone thought that..." it is invalid because you only control you. You are not a collective that can control things.

I could convince you otherwise, and demonstrate that we affect others too.
But I would have to demonstrate it in order to convince you.

So if you allow yourself to be convinced I will prove I'm right, but you can prove you're right simply by refusing to be convinced by me, so this is a pretty exasperating argument to make.
Logged

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2012, 02:54:38 AM »

I'm completely throwing my vote away and not voting at all this year. I don't like either of them.
Popular choice, but IMHO a poor one. 

ONE of these two is going to win the election.  If you have any preference at all, it's in everyone's interest
for you to express it.

If you believe Obama is the better candidate do you think it is in your best interest if I vote for Romney?  I don't think your statement makes sense.
Like I said...  IF you have any preference....  That goes for you and the thousands
and thousands of others who aren't terribly enthused by the available candidates.

Suppose, for whatever barely-preceived reason, 75% of you barely-prefer the same
guy?  That's got to count for something.  If, on the other hand, you're split 50/50 in
your disinterest, then no harm's been done.


If you really have no preference whatsoever, then you really should refrain from voting
in this particular race (and maybe get involved early in the process for 2016, so there's
a better chance of having a candidate in the general election who appeals to you).
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

Xanthrax

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 18
    • Love in an Age of Complete Indifference
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2012, 03:16:18 AM »

I'm from Australia where we have compulsory voting so I may be completely biased...but I think that it's super important that everyone pays at least a little attention to the candidates and knows enough to make an intelligent decision on who'd they'd most like to govern their country. You don't have to love them, but you should get a say in who will end up governing your livelihoods. If not, that's a huge chunk of the population missing and it usually isn't evenly spread over all demographics.

Sorry, I sound like a mother or something equally unpleasant. I don't care who you vote for...but please do. =)
Logged
Swimming in stockings.

Indja

  • wants my
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 16282
  • Go, Joe, GO!
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2012, 04:04:00 AM »

I'm from the UK, and after the state of the last election I don't think I'm going to be voting for a pretty long fucking time. If they had a 'None of the above' box then sure, or I might register and spoil my vote. But honestly, I'm just sickened and disgusted by the whole affair. I do think the right to vote is important, and the vote is a precious thing, so I pretty well resent having to give it to 'the lesser evil'. If we had some way of expressing how unrepresented we felt by the parties offered then I'd be happy.

IMO, voting is an act of consent - it's saying 'yes, I accept you as my leaders'. But for consent to be meaningful and true, there necessarily has to have the option to remove or withhold consent. Voting doesn't have that, there is no 'Bollocks To The Lot Of Youse' option. So the next best thing is spoiling or not voting.
Logged

Blue Canary

  • You can't ignore my techno
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1779
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2012, 04:09:02 AM »

I didn't vote last time because I was only 17, but I will be voting for him this time because I don't want Romney anywhere near my ladyparts.
Logged
You should totally barf on all their dicks. I will help.

RiverVox

  • I'm a believer.
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 503
  • Goodbye to blueberry pie
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2012, 09:11:30 AM »

I didn't vote last time because I was only 17, but I will be voting for him this time because I don't want Romney anywhere near my ladyparts.
YES!  ;D Good for you. The decisions that are made in Washington have real consequences on your life. If you care about preserving abortion rights, (hell, women's rights in general), healthcare, teaching kids actual SCIENCE, strengthening gay rights and keeping corporations under control then don't stay home. The candidates are not the same. A Republican President and Congress is Rush Limbaugh's far right Christian fundamentalist wet dream.

Logged
Fairy tales are more than true: not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten. ~ Neil Gaiman

Tiervexx

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2388
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2012, 10:52:17 AM »

And if your reply to this involves something like "if everyone thought that..." it is invalid because you only control you. You are not a collective that can control things.

I could convince you otherwise, and demonstrate that we affect others too.
But I would have to demonstrate it in order to convince you.

So if you allow yourself to be convinced I will prove I'm right, but you can prove you're right simply by refusing to be convinced by me, so this is a pretty exasperating argument to make.

I think you may have misunderstood what I meant.  We can convince others by talking but whether or not I personally go to the ballot box (regardless of what I say I will do) is still independent of whether or not you do.


I'm completely throwing my vote away and not voting at all this year. I don't like either of them.
Popular choice, but IMHO a poor one. 

ONE of these two is going to win the election.  If you have any preference at all, it's in everyone's interest
for you to express it.

If you believe Obama is the better candidate do you think it is in your best interest if I vote for Romney?  I don't think your statement makes sense.
Like I said...  IF you have any preference....  That goes for you and the thousands
and thousands of others who aren't terribly enthused by the available candidates.

Suppose, for whatever barely-preceived reason, 75% of you barely-prefer the same
guy?  That's got to count for something.  If, on the other hand, you're split 50/50 in
your disinterest, then no harm's been done.


I'm assuming you mean 75% of my psyche and not 75% of the electorate?  Your argument is missing a step before it becomes a rational argument.  The missing step is the probability of my vote making the difference.  Rational expectations = [the probability of the outcome] * [the value of the outcome].  As George Carlin pointed out in my video, the rational expectation of staying home and masturbating is much higher  :D

IMO, voting is an act of consent - it's saying 'yes, I accept you as my leaders'. But for consent to be meaningful and true, there necessarily has to have the option to remove or withhold consent. Voting doesn't have that, there is no 'Bollocks To The Lot Of Youse' option. So the next best thing is spoiling or not voting.

Did I ever tell you that you are an exquisite, radiant, goddess?  :love5:

I didn't vote last time because I was only 17, but I will be voting for him this time because I don't want Romney anywhere near my ladyparts.

You realize that Romney won't ban abortion either?  Obama and Romney have very different presentations but if you read between the lines they are almost the same person.  Hell, Romney was even pro gay as governor of MA.  We have every reason to think Romney would switch again if it became politically convenient for him.

I actually wanted Obama to win the 2008 election because he promised he would end the violent abuses of the Bush administration.  Millions supported him with that same hope.  Then when he got to office nothing really changed.  The will of the people was effectively poured down the toilet just as George Carlin always insisted it did.

I do not believe we literally have a one party state in America but they sure as hell act like one.

Voting third party is just as much a waste of a vote as not voting.

Something just hit me about this argument.  It is widely accepted that this argument is valid, but it is only valid because it (correctly) uses probability.  Yet when I use probability to talk about voting in the general election it is suddenly not valid anymore?!

Voting for a major party means you might vote for the winner but the apparent one part state will just go on.  Voting for a third party is clearly voting against it.  So if we are going to agree to just ignore probability when voting that is the only choice I can understand (but as I said, I won't vote because I like numbers!).
Logged

NikosGr

  • Hidalgo
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1142
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2012, 11:17:55 AM »

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/bOp0lpXtqN4" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/bOp0lpXtqN4</a>
Logged

music box

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4441
    • http://icemyeyes.deviantart.com/
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2012, 11:35:45 AM »

Voting third party is just as much a waste of a vote as not voting.

Something just hit me about this argument.  It is widely accepted that this argument is valid, but it is only valid because it (correctly) uses probability.  Yet when I use probability to talk about voting in the general election it is suddenly not valid anymore?!

Voting for a major party means you might vote for the winner but the apparent one part state will just go on.  Voting for a third party is clearly voting against it.  So if we are going to agree to just ignore probability when voting that is the only choice I can understand (but as I said, I won't vote because I like numbers!).

The problem with our country, in my opinion, is third party is not widely accepted. A majority of the time when asked about political preference it is the same question. It isn't "which party do you support?" It is "are you a Democrat or a Republican?" I understand the argument of voting third party is the statement of not supporting the major parties, but if no one else votes with you to instigate that change and that statement then it is truly throwing the vote into a small pile that is essentially irrelevant.
I don't believe I belong with any political party at this point, not even third party. I haven't really found a party, or even a representative, who I would be willing to vote for in 2012. I think our country is in a bad state right now and I don't like any of the folks in DC, Republican or Democrat. If it were up to me they would all get kicked out and replaced.

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2012, 03:02:15 PM »

Suppose, for whatever barely-preceived reason, 75% of you barely-prefer the same
guy?  That's got to count for something.  If, on the other hand, you're split 50/50 in
your disinterest, then no harm's been done.


I'm assuming you mean 75% of my psyche and not 75% of the electorate?

No, I meant 75% of the electorate, or rather that portion of the electorate that doesn't feel
like it has a strong preference. Suppose a statistically-significant proportion of those voters
share the same slight leaning to one side or the other?

If all those people vote the same way, the will of a lot of people has been expressed, and if
they're split down the middle, they haven't subverted the will of the folks who feel perhaps
more strongly one way or another.

And, to repeat myself, FIRE YOUR CONGRESSMAN.
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

RoRi23

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 54
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2012, 03:04:29 PM »

I think that the US (and the UK for that matter) would benefit greatly from proportional representation.

Here in Germany it is much easier for minority positions to be heard (even though it is still very difficult), since all you need is 5 % of the vote to be represented in parliament. The Greens, The Left (former east German communist who teamed up with west German left wingers) and recently the Pirates are all represented in various state parliaments.

In the meantime I would implore everybody to make use of the opportunity to vote. Even if all the candidates are idiots, is is better to mark the ballot accordingly. I think staying at home sends the message that you don't care and don't mind, if they screw you. Writing "none of the idiots" on the ballot shows that you do care enough to cast a vote (of no confidence in that case) and the more people express their dissatisfaction that way the more likely it becomes that politicians start to think about what is happening.

Finally, I'm quite afraid that a possibly victory for Romney would further encourage the radical right. And while it does hold a certain kind of sick fascination to watch the US accelerating towards chaos and doom, it scares the hell out of me, too, since your military is far too big for the rest of the world to take the breakdown of the US government lightly.
Logged

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2012, 03:18:12 PM »

Indeed...  Our entire political structure has devolved into two (and ONLY two) factions,
and they seem to be run more and more by idealogues and demagogues who have no
concept of the actual needs of the country.  They get their "message" out in nothing
but slogans and soundbites, and they don't dare to compromise or look for middle ground.



I am vaguely hopeful that the Republicans, whose policies are now dominated by the "Tea
party" with it's childish oversimplified just-lower-taxes views, and the social-conservatives
who hate homosexuals, abortion, and everyone else who isn't a white protestant American
(but they down-play that last part for now), will take such a beating in the election that
their extreme factions will be driven out to splinter-parties, or perhaps their moderates will
form a new party.
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

Cheddars Cousin

  • I'm no Gouda
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1321
  • Legendairy
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2012, 04:03:34 PM »

We are a culture of followers.  There are very few innovators, a few more early adopters and many more tertiary adopters. 

Third party failure will only last as long as people who are afraid to lead,  to speak out against the status quo, and to make up their own minds allow it to.  As people see others moving in a direction, they tend to move that way themselves.  As people see they are not alone, they become more prone to speaking out and acting.

Be a leader.  Be the change you seek. 

If you just can't bring yourself to vote third party, at least show up to the polls and be counted as not wanting to vote on any of your choices.  Abstinence is better than apathy.

music box

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4441
    • http://icemyeyes.deviantart.com/
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2012, 05:19:23 PM »

I am vaguely hopeful that the Republicans, whose policies are now dominated by the "Tea
party" with it's childish oversimplified just-lower-taxes views, and the social-conservatives
who hate homosexuals, abortion, and everyone else who isn't a white protestant American
(but they down-play that last part for now), will take such a beating in the election that
their extreme factions will be driven out to splinter-parties, or perhaps their moderates will
form a new party.

Statements like this fuel the factions, imo.

Assuming everyone who is a registered Republican or a more right-leaning American is a hateful, white protestant who hates abortion and homosexuals is the same as assuming every single Democrat is a pro-choice religion hating socialist. We need to start looking at people as individuals and not a whole group who all believe the same thing.

Cheddars Cousin

  • I'm no Gouda
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1321
  • Legendairy
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2012, 05:40:56 PM »

... assuming every single Democrat is a pro-choice religion hating socialist.

They're not?

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2012, 11:10:39 PM »

I am vaguely hopeful that the Republicans, whose policies are now dominated by the "Tea
party" with it's childish oversimplified just-lower-taxes views, and the social-conservatives
who hate homosexuals, abortion, and everyone else who isn't a white protestant American
(but they down-play that last part for now), will take such a beating in the election that
their extreme factions will be driven out to splinter-parties, or perhaps their moderates will
form a new party.

Statements like this fuel the factions, imo.

Assuming everyone who is a registered Republican or a more right-leaning American is a hateful, white protestant who hates abortion and homosexuals is the same as assuming every single Democrat is a pro-choice religion hating socialist. We need to start looking at people as individuals and not a whole group who all believe the same thing.
Sorry, meant to spell it "Social Conservatives" (complete with quotation marks) to indicate
a splinter faction claiming to identify itself with the less radical mainstream of the party.
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

Tiervexx

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2388
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2012, 12:18:52 AM »

...Suppose a statistically-significant proportion of those voters
share the same slight leaning to one side or the other?

This step in your argument is not logically valid.  You only control you.  The jump from "Zach won't vote" to "what if a statistically-significant portion..." is exactly the same as the jump from "I have a one in 175,223,510 chance to win the lottery" to "what if you had a 50% chance!"

You control one vote.  ONE.  Any argument you make based on the possibility that it is more than one is fallacious.
Logged

Indja

  • wants my
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 16282
  • Go, Joe, GO!
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2012, 12:29:07 AM »

^Word. One person not voting doesn't have any influence on anyone else not voting. I can understand a lot of arguments against withholding your vote - not that I agree with them, but I understand them - but that's not one of them xD
Logged

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2012, 02:16:33 AM »

...Suppose a statistically-significant proportion of those voters
share the same slight leaning to one side or the other?

This step in your argument is not logically valid.  You only control you.  The jump from "Zach won't vote" to "what if a statistically-significant portion..." is exactly the same as the jump from "I have a one in 175,223,510 chance to win the lottery" to "what if you had a 50% chance!"

You control one vote.  ONE.  Any argument you make based on the possibility that it is more than one is fallacious.


Like I said...  IF you have any preference....[blah blah blah]

Suppose, for whatever barely-preceived reason, 75% of you barely-prefer the same
guy?  That's got to count for something. If, on the other hand, you're split 50/50 in
your disinterest, then no harm's been done.


Or, to look at it another way, the loonies WILL vote, it's what they do.  The normal folks in the
center.... well, every election cycle, fewer of them vote, which is why we have the deadlock
we have - Congressman Jones bucks party-line to support a rational compromise, and he loses
the support of his extreme wing, while the center (that's you) says "meh"...



As for the lotto comparison.  California has the most registered voters in the nation, around
14.5 million.  Most elections, around 60-65% actually vote, so one voter is roughly 1:9 million.
The odds of winning the jackpot in PowerBall are 1:175,223,510.
In an average congressional district, the number of likely voters drops to under 200,000.
Dunno about your city, but in a lot of places, council seats are decided by hundreds of votes.

...but, ya know, if you've got something else you've got to be doing all day on that Tuesday,
that's your call.
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

RiverVox

  • I'm a believer.
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 503
  • Goodbye to blueberry pie
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2012, 09:57:01 AM »

Our fearless leader recommended on twitter that we register to vote:




https://register.rockthevote.com/registrants/new?partner=1681&source=rtvpalmer

Logged
Fairy tales are more than true: not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten. ~ Neil Gaiman

JRidley

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 4
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2012, 11:23:24 PM »

I did before and I will again.

I still believe he can affect great change if he only has the support of Congress, which means we need a majority in the House and Senate as well.

Romney is terrifying.
Logged

faninor

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 27
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2012, 04:56:47 AM »

...Suppose a statistically-significant proportion of those voters
share the same slight leaning to one side or the other?

This step in your argument is not logically valid.  You only control you.  The jump from "Zach won't vote" to "what if a statistically-significant portion..." is exactly the same as the jump from "I have a one in 175,223,510 chance to win the lottery" to "what if you had a 50% chance!"

You control one vote.  ONE.  Any argument you make based on the possibility that it is more than one is fallacious.
I believe it is conceivable that people leaning towards one candidate may be less likely to cast a vote than people leaning towards another candidate. Perhaps there were faulty polls suggesting the race isn't as close as it actually is; perhaps one party's primary was a landslide and their candidate has widespread support but another party's primary was split between 2 candidates and many potential voters who have to settle for their 2nd choice become disinterested; perhaps special interest in a ballot measure draws more voters who would lean towards one candidate than another, and therefore more votes for that candidate.

Because of that, I think that anyone who has a preference between the possible outcomes of an election ought to vote. I only control one vote, and it's not likely that one vote will change the outcome, but it's the only way we can truly guarantee the result reflects the true majority opinion of the people. If you're completing a poll for an academic study you can take some measures to make sure that you get a good representative sample, eliminate bias, and get a low margin of error between your sample and the overall population. In the real world of elections you just have to take whatever voters you get, so the best thing to do to get an accurate reflection of the overall population is get as many people as possible. You can't turn someone away just because a disproportionate number of Latinos or a disproportionate number of women happen to show up.
Logged

Miranda.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1303
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2012, 09:03:41 AM »

I wont be voting. I live in Texas; no matter who I vote for the state will be republican. I don't think my one votes makes a difference and honestly I don't think I am I am qualified to choose our government.
Logged
I could live for nothing but kissing.

5 points to the house of your choosing for awesome crochet skills.

imaginary friend

  • Enigmagnetic
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 14904
  • up in flames
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2012, 09:51:44 AM »

I wont be voting. I live in Texas; no matter who I vote for the state will be republican. I don't think my one votes makes a difference and honestly I don't think I am I am qualified to choose our government.

...but your neighbors are?

at least cancel one of them out!

Savannah

  • Ich Bin Ein
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 2646
  • Accidentally on purpose
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2012, 12:34:22 PM »

I wont be voting. I live in Texas; no matter who I vote for the state will be republican. I don't think my one votes makes a difference and honestly I don't think I am I am qualified to choose our government.

...but your neighbors are?

at least cancel one of them out!

you pretty much summed up what people call "democracy". it's usually nothing but picking the lesser of two evils, and it mostly turns out to be the dictatorship of the majority over the minorities.
Logged
Quote from: Amanda Palmer
I mean, we're losers with bandwidth. #LOFNOTC

facebook is like the worst book I've ever read. the characters do not evolve one bit and the plot is going nowhere.

Tiervexx

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2388
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2012, 06:09:41 PM »

...Suppose a statistically-significant proportion of those voters
share the same slight leaning to one side or the other?

This step in your argument is not logically valid.  You only control you.  The jump from "Zach won't vote" to "what if a statistically-significant portion..." is exactly the same as the jump from "I have a one in 175,223,510 chance to win the lottery" to "what if you had a 50% chance!"

You control one vote.  ONE.  Any argument you make based on the possibility that it is more than one is fallacious.


Like I said...  IF you have any preference....[blah blah blah]

Suppose, for whatever barely-preceived reason, 75% of you barely-prefer the same
guy?  That's got to count for something. If, on the other hand, you're split 50/50 in
your disinterest, then no harm's been done.


Or, to look at it another way, the loonies WILL vote, it's what they do.  The normal folks in the
center.... well, every election cycle, fewer of them vote, which is why we have the deadlock
we have - Congressman Jones bucks party-line to support a rational compromise, and he loses
the support of his extreme wing, while the center (that's you) says "meh"...



As for the lotto comparison.  California has the most registered voters in the nation, around
14.5 million.  Most elections, around 60-65% actually vote, so one voter is roughly 1:9 million.
The odds of winning the jackpot in PowerBall are 1:175,223,510.
In an average congressional district, the number of likely voters drops to under 200,000.
Dunno about your city, but in a lot of places, council seats are decided by hundreds of votes.

...but, ya know, if you've got something else you've got to be doing all day on that Tuesday,
that's your call.

If you are one in 9 million voters in your area/district whatever that is not the same thing as having a 1 in 9 million chance of casting a deciding vote.  It's much worse than that.  The real calculation involves a statistical distribution and the odds of reaching exactly 50/50 falls exponentially.  More people makes it exponentially less likely to happen and if there is a bias in the electorate, like in Texas, it becomes hopeless fast.  In particular, if ~Miranda~ casts a vote for Obama in Texas the odds of the state going to Obama because of her vote (not even talking about the national election) is probably only slightly higher than the chance of a random quantum event spawning a Mind Flayer out of your computer to eat your brain.

But as I said, I don't like either major party.  I can't get enthusiastic about voting for one of them even if I had a 100% chance of choosing the winner.  To make things worse, if I vote against the incumbent congressman in my district I'd have to vote for the dreaded Todd Akin.
Logged

Miss Sahara

  • .............
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1008
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2012, 05:37:44 PM »

i don't know the first thing about politics and/or the US, but this guy's prediction method is kinda amusing

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/08/30/never-wrong-pundit-picks-obama-to-win-in-2012
Logged

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2012, 05:48:09 PM »

I wont be voting. I live in Texas; no matter who I vote for the state will be republican. I don't think my one votes makes a difference and honestly I don't think I am I am qualified to choose our government.

That gives you even more freedom to vote for the party that most closely holds your views, whether that be a third party or one of the two major parties.
Logged

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2012, 05:57:34 PM »

i don't know the first thing about politics and/or the US, but this guy's prediction method is kinda amusing

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/08/30/never-wrong-pundit-picks-obama-to-win-in-2012

A. This was written in 2011.
B. Fast & Furious - there's your scandal
C. 9/11 attacks in Libya, costing the life of an Ambassador - there's your foreign failure
D. Occupy Wall Street - there's your civil unrest
E. This makes Obama's margin of victory 0.
Logged

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2012, 12:05:48 AM »

Suppose, for whatever barely-preceived reason, 75% of you barely-prefer the same
guy?  That's got to count for something.  If, on the other hand, you're split 50/50 in
your disinterest, then no harm's been done.


I'm assuming you mean 75% of my psyche and not 75% of the electorate?

No, I meant 75% of the electorate, or rather that portion of the electorate that doesn't feel
like it has a strong preference. Suppose a statistically-significant proportion of those voters
share the same slight leaning to one side or the other?

If all those people vote the same way, the will of a lot of people has been expressed, and if
they're split down the middle, they haven't subverted the will of the folks who feel perhaps
more strongly one way or another.

And, to repeat myself, FIRE YOUR CONGRESSMAN.
Why should I oust my congressman? I'm very curious, honestly. I remember the whole fiasco with them locking each other out of choosing a budget - that was congress, yeah? Or was it the senate? Would ousting him/her/it be some sort of protest of that behavior, in your opinion? I can't remember who I've got right now - I'm planning on doing a lot of studying before the election this year.

I dunno if you will even see this since I'm quoting from a week ago.
Logged

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2012, 01:56:31 AM »

I SEE ALL......    O0

Fire your Congressman because they as a collective have developed a sense of invulnerable
unaccountability.  They 'know' that they're 80% or more likely to get reelected, higher, really,
unless they had a serious specific 'problem', like a criminal indictment or very public personal
scandal (neither of which is a guaranteed loss), so they're more afraid of their own parties'
extreme wings ousting them for considering a compromise position, than they are of their
constituents as a group ousting them for hyper-partisan obstructionism.  Right now it's the
Republicans (led by my own embarrassment, Eric Cantor) who aren't even shy about voting
an agenda whose top priority is embarrassing the President, with actual effective governance
a distant second... maybe third. Doubtless the Dems would do something similar if the situation
were reversed.
Jobs bill? Can't even get to the House floor.  "Obamacare" repeal? Passed 30+ times, purely for show.
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2012, 10:25:33 AM »

Debt Ceiling? They waited to the 11th hour and only after a number of benchmarks were established for budgetary cuts.
Logged

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2012, 06:36:56 PM »

Huh. Now I will have to be thinking about that, as well as all the other reading up and such I need to do before election day. I think it's only effective to fire my congressman if a lot of districts do it. But I can't really start spreading the word for that, it's rather late in the game and I already have a pet project I'm trying to make people aware of...
Logged

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2012, 05:30:02 PM »

I'm firing mine. Mike Coffman has turned out to be a complete tool, desperate to grasp onto anything that might keep him in power. One of his attack ads was so full of lies that the state made him pull the ad and they share the same party.
Logged

music box

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4441
    • http://icemyeyes.deviantart.com/
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2012, 11:12:10 PM »

I'm firing mine. Mike Coffman has turned out to be a complete tool, desperate to grasp onto anything that might keep him in power. One of his attack ads was so full of lies that the state made him pull the ad and they share the same party.

I always mute the TV when I see a Mike Coffman ad come on whether it is positive or negative.



Did the debate change anyone's mind?

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2012, 11:30:16 PM »

The debate made me sad. I'm probably still going to vote for Obama, but I'm starting to question it a bit now. That, and the political sciences class I'm taking this semester are making me wonder if I might want to reconsider.
Romney pretty much killed, with the debate. He controlled it, he was on the attack, he defended rather well, and he came across relatively clearly (sort of, anyway). I'm hoping the next one goes better for Obama - he just looked so tired.

I can't remember seeing a Mike Coffman ad, but I haven't been watching much tv lately. Jared Polis is my congressman, apparently? I need to look up and see what he's done - and what he hasn't, and what his people and his opponents are saying about him... I feel like I have all this extra homework. But I get hella pissed at people for voting totally blindly.


Coloradians - Are you going to vote yes on Amendment 64? If you aren't, will you listen to me while I preach to you about why you should? It's my pet project.
Logged

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #48 on: October 10, 2012, 12:03:28 PM »

Romney, if you replaced all the words everyone said that that debate with jibberish, came across as more confident and more engaging, but the words themselves were complete fabrications. Sadly in this American Idol America, nobody bothers to check up on fact-checking.
Logged

music box

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4441
    • http://icemyeyes.deviantart.com/
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #49 on: October 10, 2012, 10:01:24 PM »

Coloradians - Are you going to vote yes on Amendment 64? If you aren't, will you listen to me while I preach to you about why you should? It's my pet project.

I had to Google what Amendment 64 was. That is how behind on the times I am this election season.

I personally think marijuana is the least of our worries, but I the way it sounds is this amendment will make it so anyone 21+ can legally obtain it even if they don't have a medical card for it? Or is it just about being able to tax the substance?
I have been saying it for years that marijuana should be taxed. It would be an incredible source of revenue to the government, imo. They'd be stupid not to tax it.

sangrebloom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1032
  • I'm working toward something, I don't know what...
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #50 on: October 10, 2012, 11:25:34 PM »

I agree, I feel we've already have been foolish for long enough, we should grow commercial hemp too.   
Logged
I had to google pegging.

"I'm generally confused - I can't hear you over my obnoxious wealth"

Indja Points:40

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #51 on: October 10, 2012, 11:55:05 PM »

Coloradians - Are you going to vote yes on Amendment 64? If you aren't, will you listen to me while I preach to you about why you should? It's my pet project.

I had to Google what Amendment 64 was. That is how behind on the times I am this election season.

I personally think marijuana is the least of our worries, but I the way it sounds is this amendment will make it so anyone 21+ can legally obtain it even if they don't have a medical card for it? Or is it just about being able to tax the substance?
I have been saying it for years that marijuana should be taxed. It would be an incredible source of revenue to the government, imo. They'd be stupid not to tax it.
It's regulation and taxation. So, anyone 21+ can buy it (and I believe there's a provision for growing a small amount, I can't remember), and there will also be taxation. Why I'm so gung-ho for this is the taxation. They've got some of the allocation laid out in the law - and a large chunk of it goes to the school system annually.
Plus, if they legalize it state-wide, it's going to do wonders for our economy. Small business growth, job growth, increased tax revenue, etc. It will be pretty great. And, police departments will be able to better allocate their man power once Marijuana is legal, so that could be a plus.

I'm really worried this won't pass, though, because there are some good arguments against it. They'd dissuade me, if I wasn't already hardcorely dedicated.
Logged

music box

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4441
    • http://icemyeyes.deviantart.com/
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #52 on: October 11, 2012, 12:59:20 AM »

Coloradians - Are you going to vote yes on Amendment 64? If you aren't, will you listen to me while I preach to you about why you should? It's my pet project.

I had to Google what Amendment 64 was. That is how behind on the times I am this election season.

I personally think marijuana is the least of our worries, but I the way it sounds is this amendment will make it so anyone 21+ can legally obtain it even if they don't have a medical card for it? Or is it just about being able to tax the substance?
I have been saying it for years that marijuana should be taxed. It would be an incredible source of revenue to the government, imo. They'd be stupid not to tax it.
It's regulation and taxation. So, anyone 21+ can buy it (and I believe there's a provision for growing a small amount, I can't remember), and there will also be taxation. Why I'm so gung-ho for this is the taxation. They've got some of the allocation laid out in the law - and a large chunk of it goes to the school system annually.
Plus, if they legalize it state-wide, it's going to do wonders for our economy. Small business growth, job growth, increased tax revenue, etc. It will be pretty great. And, police departments will be able to better allocate their man power once Marijuana is legal, so that could be a plus.

I'm really worried this won't pass, though, because there are some good arguments against it. They'd dissuade me, if I wasn't already hardcorely dedicated.

It is always a double edged sword, though. If it is made legal for non medical purposes to anyone 21+ who's to say the usage won't grow just because people can obtain it easier? Marijuana is natural, yes, but it can be laced with other drugs and it does impair a majority of users to some degree. Think about all the people who could, and probably would, smoke a joint and hop behind the wheel of a car or go to work to operate machinery, etc.. Sure it happens already and it is foolish to think otherwise but making it easier to obtain could make things worse. Not to mention people will give it to underage kids. That is what I don't like.
The taxation is just about the only aspect that I think is a good thing about this one.

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #53 on: October 11, 2012, 01:35:20 AM »

IMHO, the marijuana question i a simple one:

There are a few down-sides to marijuana use, as with ANY intoxicant, but they're mild.......

...except for the ones that are direct results of its being illegal: organized crime, mass-incarceration,
secondary crime to pay for expensive habits (that would be far cheaper in a grow-your-own world).
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2012, 02:33:23 PM »

Industrial hemp makes for stronger, longer-lasting fibers.

Cleaner burning fuel oils.

Plastics

Paper

With the advances in machining, one could see hemp pulp being pressed into particle-board for construction .

Logged

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #55 on: October 17, 2012, 12:18:13 AM »

Anyone else catch this presdential debate? They scared me a bit.
What'd you all think? Is it changing how you're voting?
Logged

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #56 on: October 17, 2012, 09:04:02 AM »

Did that debate just show a reflection of the American public as a whole in terms of what is acceptable in public discourse. Maybe we're all a little concerned that being rude and combative is the new normal.
Logged

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #57 on: October 17, 2012, 11:13:48 AM »

I feel like good manners have certainly stopped being emphasized as much. My Mom works at a middle school and the kids are absolute brats. And I sound old when I do the whole in my day thing, but the only times I was ever rude to a teacher was when they were being fascist authoritarian nightmares. And then it was in an impersonal way, I was just being peacefully obstinate.

But I really really didn't expect to see such behavior from the freaking president and the guy running for president. Romney was especially childish, he kept repeating things over and over and over when they would get into their little bickering things. If I was the moderator, I would have been so frustrated. Especially since they kept interupting her, which was incredibly rude and pissed me off a lot.
I don't feel like that should have been acceptable, I don't feel like either of them should have thought it was okay to react that way to each other.

And if it is the new normal, if even the people who are *supposed* to be leaders and be somewhat better than us can't keep their shit together, then we're all fucked.
Logged

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #58 on: October 17, 2012, 12:13:07 PM »

I will agree to moderate a debate, but I would insist upon two things

A: I have a gavel and when I bang the gavel, everybody shuts their mouths.
B: I have a kill switch for all microphones.
Logged

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #59 on: October 17, 2012, 12:31:55 PM »

A kill switch would've been nice. I was thinking an air horn - I think they would probably just ignore a gavel.
Logged

Miranda.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1303
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #60 on: October 17, 2012, 12:36:27 PM »

Logged
I could live for nothing but kissing.

5 points to the house of your choosing for awesome crochet skills.

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #61 on: October 17, 2012, 12:43:09 PM »

Binders Full of Women
Dude I know right! There's a facebook page of that now! It cracks me up. He definitely could have phrased that better.
Logged

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #62 on: October 17, 2012, 12:55:48 PM »

Logged

music box

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4441
    • http://icemyeyes.deviantart.com/
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #63 on: October 18, 2012, 12:03:16 AM »

Just in case anyone else understands these.

http://arresteddecision2012.tumblr.com/


But from what I saw of the debate... I agree that both parties acted a bit out of sorts. The moderator was a joke and obviously biased, too.

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #64 on: October 18, 2012, 01:23:53 AM »

I will agree to moderate a debate, but I would insist upon two things

A: I have a gavel and when I bang the gavel, everybody shuts their mouths.
B: I have a kill switch for all microphones.
3 lights:
Yellow - ten seconds
Red - Five seconds
Flashing white "STFU" - kills the speaker's mic and flashes the letters STFU over his face on the TV screen


Also:
People, after those losers attacked our embassy in Libya, the Prez (still believing it had something
to do with protest over a film) did use the word 'terrorist'.  Days later, they determined that
it was a plain & simple deliberate attack on our people.

IT DOESN'T MATTER EITHER WAY when he said 'terrorist'....

(And oh by the way, diplomatic security budgets have been a favourite target for government
budget-cutters since about six months after the last time someone attacked one of our embassies.
There's plenty of blame to go around over the last 30 years or so, both parties - and both exec
and legislative branches.)
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

music box

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4441
    • http://icemyeyes.deviantart.com/
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #65 on: October 18, 2012, 10:23:24 AM »

The Libya situation is a complete mess. They told us it was because of some random video, that had already been live on YouTube for months, and then all of a sudden came out and said it was terrorism because news broke that the State Dept. knew about the situation 2 days prior. Now Hillary Clinton and the rest of the administration is out saying they knew about it and knew it was terrorism from the beginning.

To me it just seems like they tried to cover up their mistake and it failed so now they are all out doing damage control, or trying to, because it's hurting their poll numbers.

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #66 on: October 18, 2012, 10:31:58 AM »

Isn't damage control what they always try to do, regardless of poll numbers? I agree, it is a complete mess. I'm not sure any adminstration would have handled it differently, though.

And the bit during the debate that they got hung up on was a semantics game, basically. It had nothing to do with anything important, because Romney got stuck on when Obama said terrorist and they couldn't move past it. Which is a real shame.
Logged

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #67 on: October 18, 2012, 12:44:29 PM »

Terrorist? WHERE?!?
Logged

Miranda.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1303
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #68 on: October 18, 2012, 01:38:20 PM »

Logged
I could live for nothing but kissing.

5 points to the house of your choosing for awesome crochet skills.

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #69 on: October 18, 2012, 02:05:58 PM »

Logged

Miranda.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1303
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #70 on: October 18, 2012, 02:12:38 PM »

no, YOUR amazing!
Logged
I could live for nothing but kissing.

5 points to the house of your choosing for awesome crochet skills.

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #71 on: October 18, 2012, 02:23:58 PM »

The amazing belongs to her? (Sorry, the your/you're thing is a pet peeve)
Logged

Miranda.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1303
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #72 on: October 18, 2012, 02:32:07 PM »

The amazing belongs to her? (Sorry, the your/you're thing is a pet peeve)

err.. yes! of course that is what I meant to say!

I don't mind. My spelling/grammar/punctuation skillz are non-existent.
Logged
I could live for nothing but kissing.

5 points to the house of your choosing for awesome crochet skills.

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #73 on: October 18, 2012, 04:00:37 PM »

The amazing belongs to her? (Sorry, the your/you're thing is a pet peeve)

err.. yes! of course that is what I meant to say!

I don't mind. My spelling/grammar/punctuation skillz are non-existent.
You people are just lucky Brittany's too busy to come over here
and sort your spelling and grammar out...

[Darth] Brittany is not as FORGIVING as I am...[/Darth] 
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

Miranda.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1303
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #74 on: October 18, 2012, 04:08:37 PM »



sorting?
Logged
I could live for nothing but kissing.

5 points to the house of your choosing for awesome crochet skills.

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #75 on: October 18, 2012, 04:23:42 PM »

The amazing belongs to her? (Sorry, the your/you're thing is a pet peeve)

err.. yes! of course that is what I meant to say!

I don't mind. My spelling/grammar/punctuation skillz are non-existent.
It's cool, I'll take all the amazing. I don't mind.

And your skills are far more existant than a lot of people's. You actually use punctuation and try to spell your words properly.
Logged

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #76 on: October 19, 2012, 03:09:19 PM »

The amazing belongs to her? (Sorry, the your/you're thing is a pet peeve)

err.. yes! of course that is what I meant to say!

I don't mind. My spelling/grammar/punctuation skillz are non-existent.
It's cool, I'll take all the amazing. I don't mind.

And your skills are far more existant than a lot of people's. You actually use punctuation and try to spell your words properly.
The correct spelling is "existent," and one should refrain from using
a conjunction to begin a sentence.   :tongue6:
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #77 on: October 19, 2012, 05:02:27 PM »

The amazing belongs to her? (Sorry, the your/you're thing is a pet peeve)

err.. yes! of course that is what I meant to say!

I don't mind. My spelling/grammar/punctuation skillz are non-existent.
It's cool, I'll take all the amazing. I don't mind.

And your skills are far more existant than a lot of people's. You actually use punctuation and try to spell your words properly.
The correct spelling is "existent," and one should refrain from using
a conjunction to begin a sentence.   :tongue6:
They changed the conjunction rule. It's now accepted on informal papers and such. So hah.
Logged

music box

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4441
    • http://icemyeyes.deviantart.com/
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #78 on: October 20, 2012, 11:36:38 AM »

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #79 on: October 21, 2012, 01:29:21 AM »

The amazing belongs to her? (Sorry, the your/you're thing is a pet peeve)

err.. yes! of course that is what I meant to say!

I don't mind. My spelling/grammar/punctuation skillz are non-existent.
It's cool, I'll take all the amazing. I don't mind.

And your skills are far more existant than a lot of people's. You actually use punctuation and try to spell your words properly.
The correct spelling is "existent," and one should refrain from using
a conjunction to begin a sentence.   :tongue6:
They changed the conjunction rule. It's now accepted on informal papers and such. So hah.
The Shadowbox is NOT an informal paper.  >:(

Furthermore, while "they" might accept the practice in some circumstances, that is no more
than a concession of what I've known for years: most under-graduate students can barely
write a complete sentence, much less a coherent essay.* 
My unsolicited advice: don't live down to others' lowered expectations.
Here endeth the unfair generalization and sermonizing.


*Shadowboxers, if you hadn't noticed, are generally quite above-average in many ways.
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

music box

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4441
    • http://icemyeyes.deviantart.com/
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #80 on: October 22, 2012, 01:05:16 AM »

 
My unsolicited advice: don't live down to others' lowered expectations.

 O0

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #81 on: October 22, 2012, 07:42:02 PM »

Early voting started today. I took care of my civic duty.
Logged

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #82 on: October 22, 2012, 07:43:56 PM »

The amazing belongs to her? (Sorry, the your/you're thing is a pet peeve)

err.. yes! of course that is what I meant to say!

I don't mind. My spelling/grammar/punctuation skillz are non-existent.
It's cool, I'll take all the amazing. I don't mind.

And your skills are far more existant than a lot of people's. You actually use punctuation and try to spell your words properly.
The correct spelling is "existent," and one should refrain from using
a conjunction to begin a sentence.   :tongue6:
They changed the conjunction rule. It's now accepted on informal papers and such. So hah.
The Shadowbox is NOT an informal paper.  >:(

Furthermore, while "they" might accept the practice in some circumstances, that is no more
than a concession of what I've known for years: most under-graduate students can barely
write a complete sentence, much less a coherent essay.* 
My unsolicited advice: don't live down to others' lowered expectations.
Here endeth the unfair generalization and sermonizing.


*Shadowboxers, if you hadn't noticed, are generally quite above-average in many ways.
lol. I write amazing essays. I just don't generally try very hard when I'm on the internets - generally dencent spelling and relatively good punctuation cuts it for me.. If I wrote essays like I post on forums, I'd be royally fucked.

@N.U. - I got my ballot onnn... Sunday? No. Today is Monday (ughdfgjsdhgf). So it must've been Saturday or Friday. I haven't sent it off yet because I need to do a bit of looking about and googling and see what all these people are all about. I only recognize and have solid opinions about a few of them.

Also, Obama's poll numbers are down. -sadface-
Logged

music box

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4441
    • http://icemyeyes.deviantart.com/
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #83 on: October 22, 2012, 09:13:52 PM »

Sometimes I wonder if Obama is expecting to lose and therefore doesn't give a shit anymore. Tonight's debate will seal the deal with a lot of people, I think. The issue of foreign policy isn't necessarily a strong one with this administration.

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #84 on: October 22, 2012, 11:56:04 PM »

They were very, very similar on foreign policy. And this debate was less irritating than the previous ones (probably because they were being relatively polite). Still, I'm thinking that a lot of people are going to be more swayed by Romney in this one as well. His tone was less offputting, even though they said a lot of the same things and agreed on multiple points.

Americans don't care that much about foreign policy anyway. It matters, but it's not a deciding factor - generally we care about things that affect us in a more direct manner far more.
Logged

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #85 on: October 23, 2012, 08:44:50 AM »

They really aren't similar on foreign policy. Romney is so weak on Foreign policy that he mimicked Obama's positions. I can guaran-damn-tee you that that isn't actually the case.

Obama handed Romney hsi ass when it came ot troop strength assessment.

Romney: This is the fewest ships we have had since 1916...

Obama: We also have fewer bayonets and horses, Governor. Since then we have invented a kind of ship that planes can land on. We call them "Aircraft carriers". We've also developed a type of ship that can go under the water. We call them "submarines."

Condescending as hell and oh so nice to see.
Logged

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #86 on: October 23, 2012, 10:29:35 AM »

Condescending as hell is only so nice to see if you support him. He shouldn't have been belittling or condescending, it makes him look bad to the swing voters or the moderates who he might have been able to pull over. Nobody wants to vote for an asshole. I don't even want to vote for an asshole, although I don't really think he is one. I think he's kind of fed up and frustrated.
Romney's tone was far more agreeable during the whole debate, and unfortunately, people are generally affected more by the emotional responses they have than the logical responses they should be having.

I prefer Obama on foreign policy. I've preferred him since he started his presidency with his "apology tour", since Bush royally fucked our foreign relations and I figured it was a good way to not only get us back on track, but to make sure the leaders of other countries knew who they were dealing with.
I think one of the reasons Romney is weak on foreign policy is his lack of experience, and it's hard to get any experience with that when he's only been a governor. If he didn't change the policies already in place too much and he listened to (good)advisors, I imagine he wouldn't be half bad. He seems to be able to recognize a good idea when he sees one, and he seems to be very willing to learn and adapt.
Logged

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #87 on: October 23, 2012, 11:34:04 AM »

Then you haven't been paying attention. Romney's views last night were entirely different than those in a speech he gave on October 8 of this year. That's not heeding advice. That's called "sending any and all messages that might possibly give me more votes, the truth be damned."
Logged

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #88 on: October 23, 2012, 12:40:26 PM »

No, you're right, I haven't been paying much attention. 'cause he annoys me some and I'm not voting for him anyway. The only times I've seen him speak is at the debates.
Although again, him being all flippity floppity could partially be his lack of experience.
And it still doesn't matter that much what he says (as long as what he says isn't too extreme), since a good portion of people really do vote based on their emotions.
Logged

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #89 on: October 23, 2012, 01:05:41 PM »



Logged

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #90 on: October 23, 2012, 01:09:52 PM »

Now I'm going to have flippity floppity things going through my head all day. And his face is terrifying in that.
Logged

Captain Oblivious

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 7339
  • Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
    • The NCC! I am a mod there =]
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #91 on: October 23, 2012, 01:38:46 PM »

I only heard today of a phenomenon unique to Romney: "Romnesia". It basically describes how he completely forgets what he's said on previous occasions and contradicts himself over and over. I don't understand how people think he has a stance, his opinion changes every time he's asked a question.

I haven't read the rest of the thread so apologies if I've repeated anything.
Logged
Quote from: Reptile
Congratulations, you tiny badass!

Quote from: ~Miranda~
Everything you said looks like real words to me.

Great minds think alike but fools seldom differ

Devery

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 840
  • Tunnel-Visioneer
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #92 on: October 23, 2012, 03:19:39 PM »

They really aren't similar on foreign policy. Romney is so weak on Foreign policy that he mimicked Obama's positions. I can guaran-damn-tee you that that isn't actually the case.

Obama handed Romney hsi ass when it came ot troop strength assessment.

Romney: This is the fewest ships we have had since 1916...

Obama: We also have fewer bayonets and horses, Governor. Since then we have invented a kind of ship that planes can land on. We call them "Aircraft carriers". We've also developed a type of ship that can go under the water. We call them "submarines."

Condescending as hell and oh so nice to see.


A poster going by the handle "whygodwhy" on some blog somewhere provided this gem following an article about how the "fewer bayonets and horses" analogy was too complex for Ryan to understand:

 
Moderator: What color was Washington's white horse?
Ryan: We can't just keep coloring horses - we have to figure out how to color horses more effectively -you know, I met a lady in (swingstate) that couldn't remember the last time she colored a horse because she was in a serious car wreck that killed her parents and left her paralized. I met a Brony in (swingstate) he was an interesting fellow, but he was not concerned with Warhorse or pledging to NPR or horses really, just a really great American who lost both parents in a car wreck. These are the stories that make me seem more human than human.

Logged
"The world is going to hell in a hand-basket, but it sure is nice up here on the hill."   A. Kujawa

Miss Sahara

  • .............
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1008
Logged

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #94 on: October 23, 2012, 04:44:40 PM »

I only heard today of a phenomenon unique to Romney: "Romnesia". It basically describes how he completely forgets what he's said on previous occasions and contradicts himself over and over. I don't understand how people think he has a stance, his opinion changes every time he's asked a question.

I haven't read the rest of the thread so apologies if I've repeated anything.
I only think he has a stance because I've been completely ignoring him up until the last month. So I have a very legitimate excuse. I do know he's changed his stances a lot from what they were when he was the governor of Massachusetts, which is a shame, because I've heard he actually was relatively moderate and had some good ideas.

Do you think he actually knows what is opinion is? Or is just a blank slate trying to get votes? He doesn't come off as terribly intelligent or devious.

@Devery - That's amazingly spot on.. kind of sad.

@Sahara - I really really wish he had actually punched him in the face. And that it would have been okay for him to do it.
Logged

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #95 on: October 23, 2012, 05:01:44 PM »

Oh! I just remembered! In the mail last night we were sent a DVD that is obviously propaganda that's titled "Dreams from My Real Father: A story of Reds and Deception. The True Origins of Obama's Life and Politics?". I can't wait to watch it. I will either be horrified, incredibly amused, or some combination of both.

I don't really understand what they're hoping to accomplish by sending this out. The majority of people won't even watch it, and the people who do will either already agree with them or be watching it for the entertainment value. Most people aren't going to buy into conspiracy theories unless they already believe them. And I don't know who 'they' is, since I'm fairly certain no legitimate republican is backing this.
Logged

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #96 on: October 25, 2012, 02:31:52 AM »

Oh! I just remembered! In the mail last night we were sent a DVD that is obviously propaganda that's titled "Dreams from My Real Father: A story of Reds and Deception. The True Origins of Obama's Life and Politics?". I can't wait to watch it. I will either be horrified, incredibly amused, or some combination of both.

I don't really understand what they're hoping to accomplish by sending this out. The majority of people won't even watch it, and the people who do will either already agree with them or be watching it for the entertainment value. Most people aren't going to buy into conspiracy theories unless they already believe them. And I don't know who 'they' is, since I'm fairly certain no legitimate republican is backing this.
Keep it in its original package, and pass it on to your kids, and they to their kids...
One day it will be sought-after election memorabilia...
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

music box

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4441
    • http://icemyeyes.deviantart.com/
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #97 on: October 25, 2012, 10:28:46 AM »

Romney spoke at Red Rocks the other night with Paul Ryan. Apparently they had to turn away over 5,000 guests because the venue was full.

I have a funny feeling he might just win Colorado. If he takes this state from Obama that will be a major blow. It seems like Obama is always here trying to win the votes.

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #98 on: October 25, 2012, 10:53:07 AM »

Romney spoke at Red Rocks the other night with Paul Ryan. Apparently they had to turn away over 5,000 guests because the venue was full.

I have a funny feeling he might just win Colorado. If he takes this state from Obama that will be a major blow. It seems like Obama is always here trying to win the votes.
I heard about that. I heard that the roads were so gridlocked people were just getting out and walking, trying to get there. It sounds pretty crazy. He already has Colorado, unless things change.

He's ahead in the swing states by a collective of 50% to 46%, although Obama gained 1% on him from yesterday.
According to Rasmussen, Romney has New Hampshire, Virgina, and Colorado right now (although the leads are rather tentative, especially in New Hampshire and Virgina). He's got Florida and North Carolina in the bag. Obama has a tentative lead in Nevada and Wisconsin, and is secure in Pennsylvania and Michigan. They're tied over Iowa and Ohio - and as the news keeps saying, Ohio is the prize that they're aiming for.

Depending on how things go in this next week and a halfish, this could be really really close. Or Romney could pull further ahead.
Logged

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #99 on: October 25, 2012, 11:01:41 AM »

According to www.fivethirtyeight.com, which has called every federal level election right except two House races correct since 2000, still shows Obama with a 70% likelihood of winning reelection.

Logged

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #100 on: October 27, 2012, 12:25:12 AM »

....Virgina....
One hears a lot about "coat-tails", where a low-level candidate benefits from a popular
guy running for the top slot.  I have a suspicion that we may see the exact opposite
this year in VA....  I think GOP clown candidate George Allen's run for the Senate may
cost Romney the state.
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

Devery

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 840
  • Tunnel-Visioneer
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #101 on: November 05, 2012, 12:21:12 PM »

According to www.fivethirtyeight.com, which has called every federal level election right except two House races correct since 2000, still shows Obama with a 70% likelihood of winning reelection.

Today, one day before the election, Nate Silver shows the probability of an Obama victory at 86.7%, the highest since just before the first debate.  The repubs don't like it, and on Brietbart they call him the Patron Saint of Confirmation Bias.  A person who is obviously aware of right-wing cocooning tendencies posted, in response to this, that "It's the bubble.  Nothing gets through unless its Rush, Hannity or those yo-yos at Brietbart".  Amen.

Logged
"The world is going to hell in a hand-basket, but it sure is nice up here on the hill."   A. Kujawa

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #102 on: November 05, 2012, 01:45:59 PM »

When they start questioning the validity of the polls, they know they're gonna lose.

When they start determining reason their candidate lost before the polls have closed, they know they're gonna lose.

When they start shouting louder and louder already debunked statements, in hopes that volume will outpace truth, they know they're gonna lose.
Logged

Miranda.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1303
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #103 on: November 05, 2012, 05:12:14 PM »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/EDxOSjgl5Z4" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/EDxOSjgl5Z4</a>
Logged
I could live for nothing but kissing.

5 points to the house of your choosing for awesome crochet skills.

imaginary friend

  • Enigmagnetic
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 14904
  • up in flames
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #104 on: November 06, 2012, 11:16:07 PM »

Obama wins!

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #105 on: November 06, 2012, 11:30:10 PM »

Never a doubt in my mind.
Logged

sangrebloom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1032
  • I'm working toward something, I don't know what...
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #106 on: November 06, 2012, 11:42:03 PM »

 :headbang:
Logged
I had to google pegging.

"I'm generally confused - I can't hear you over my obnoxious wealth"

Indja Points:40

SpookyTwigg

  • Slave to the
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 433
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #107 on: November 07, 2012, 04:15:21 AM »

Obama wins!
i don't live in America, but thank fuck!
Obama!
Logged
"Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so."

Savannah

  • Ich Bin Ein
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 2646
  • Accidentally on purpose
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #108 on: November 07, 2012, 04:36:34 AM »

Obama wins!
i don't live in America, but thank fuck!
Obama!

I don't feel very positively about Obama, but i think he's really better than Romney.

I don't want to broach the subject of abortion, but during the past 6 months, taking inspirations by his election campaign pledges, our government tried to bring the abortion law into question in the parliament. And predictably, we, women hated it.

(I really hate them to get inspired by such silly pledges to make legal regulations while there are bazillions of goods pledges & laws to get inspired, involving the civil rights, freedom of speech, etc.)
Logged
Quote from: Amanda Palmer
I mean, we're losers with bandwidth. #LOFNOTC

facebook is like the worst book I've ever read. the characters do not evolve one bit and the plot is going nowhere.

imaginary friend

  • Enigmagnetic
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 14904
  • up in flames
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #109 on: November 07, 2012, 08:31:31 AM »

Obama wins!
i don't live in America, but thank fuck!
Obama!

I don't feel very positively about Obama, but i think he's really better than Romney.

I don't want to broach the subject of abortion, but during the past 6 months, taking inspirations by his election campaign pledges, our government tried to bring the abortion law into question in the parliament. And predictably, we, women hated it.

(I really hate them to get inspired by such silly pledges to make legal regulations while there are bazillions of goods pledges & laws to get inspired, involving the civil rights, freedom of speech, etc.)

a lot of very interesting things happened in various state elections around the country yesterday.

Colorado and Washington state legalized weed.    :hippy2:

Maine, Maryland and Washington state all legalized gay marriage.    :love3:

there was an amendment to ban gay marriage in Minnesota, and it got defeated.    :happy11:

here in Michigan, a horrible "emergency financial manager" law got kicked to the curb.    :headbang:

more as I get them.    :glasses9:

Miss Sahara

  • .............
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1008
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #110 on: November 07, 2012, 04:26:15 PM »

why the fuck did the californians keep the death penalty?!  :angry7:
Logged

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #111 on: November 07, 2012, 04:31:50 PM »

Californians are weird when it comes to criminal justice.
Logged

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #112 on: November 07, 2012, 11:01:10 PM »

As I feared, one of my brothers is having a severe negative reaction.....  :angryfire: :tongue6: :cussing: :angry9: :angry5: :angry4: :protest:

I hope he chills out before Thanksgiving, but I fear even if he does that one of
my less Obama-hating siblings will say something to set him off.   :-\
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

sangrebloom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1032
  • I'm working toward something, I don't know what...
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #113 on: November 07, 2012, 11:18:55 PM »

I voted to get rid of it.  Charles Manson is still waiting to be executed, and he was convicted years and years ago.  If he had been with general population he would at least been killed in a jail riot, as awful as that sounds... Jeffery Dahmer was killed that way. 

I'm sorry to hear about your brother's affliction... My mother kinda had that reaction... I told her I voted for Steve Buscemi and that took all the wind out of her sails.  If your in a battle of little or no logic, baffle your opponent with ridiculousness!
Logged
I had to google pegging.

"I'm generally confused - I can't hear you over my obnoxious wealth"

Indja Points:40

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #114 on: November 07, 2012, 11:23:27 PM »

Manson's sentence was commuted to life, and I've never heard of any meaningful
effort to change it back again.  He keeps coming up for parole, and getting rejected.
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

sangrebloom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1032
  • I'm working toward something, I don't know what...
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #115 on: November 07, 2012, 11:28:10 PM »

he's still isolated I think

I dunno I try not to think about how screwed our justice system is...
Logged
I had to google pegging.

"I'm generally confused - I can't hear you over my obnoxious wealth"

Indja Points:40

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #116 on: November 07, 2012, 11:31:24 PM »

There are plenty of ways you can get involved in constructive change.

Granted, most are just banging heads against a wall, but maybe it's worth the fight?
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

sangrebloom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1032
  • I'm working toward something, I don't know what...
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #117 on: November 07, 2012, 11:46:32 PM »

I can try, but it's the awareness factor that really stumps a lot of people.  Tell some one that jails are privately own and it blows their minds.
Logged
I had to google pegging.

"I'm generally confused - I can't hear you over my obnoxious wealth"

Indja Points:40

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #118 on: November 08, 2012, 04:40:13 PM »

As I feared, one of my brothers is having a severe negative reaction.....  :angryfire: :tongue6: :cussing: :angry9: :angry5: :angry4: :protest:

I hope he chills out before Thanksgiving, but I fear even if he does that one of
my less Obama-hating siblings will say something to set him off.   :-\
Just make it a rule that there is absolutely no talking of politics at family gatherings, and if you break it you don't get dessert. I've had to squash any political talk at family gatherings, my Dad married a woman who's disturbingly liberal and my sister is dating and probably going to marry a relatively conservative republican. The fighting isn't worth it, especially since no one will change their mind.
Logged

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #119 on: November 08, 2012, 04:45:30 PM »

As I feared, one of my brothers is having a severe negative reaction.....  :angryfire: :tongue6: :cussing: :angry9: :angry5: :angry4: :protest:

I hope he chills out before Thanksgiving, but I fear even if he does that one of
my less Obama-hating siblings will say something to set him off.   :-\
Just make it a rule that there is absolutely no talking of politics at family gatherings, and if you break it you don't get dessert. I've had to squash any political talk at family gatherings, my Dad married a woman who's disturbingly liberal and my sister is dating and probably going to marry a relatively conservative republican. The fighting isn't worth it, especially since no one will change their mind.
Seems so simple doesn't it but SOME people simply can't resist the urge to try and convince
others to abandon their fanatically-held beliefs...  If it were just the loony or the loudmouth,
I think we'd be okay, but without UNviting one or the other, I don't know how we'll manage it.
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #120 on: November 08, 2012, 05:17:29 PM »

Try these two words:


GROW UP!
Logged

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #121 on: November 08, 2012, 09:07:18 PM »

Again, an excellent plan, but the one has a long history of getting way too worked up over
things like card games, and the other seems to have taken substantial leave of his sense of
reason - he basically sounds EXACTLY like those various right-wing rant websites that the
rational world is having so much fun  ridiculing since Wednesday... and, being a Right-Wingnut,
of course he carries a gun...  This honestly concerns me a bit.
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

Musings

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 3011
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #122 on: November 08, 2012, 09:34:48 PM »

I voted for the man I went door to door for in 2008.

I voted for a man who inspires.

I voted for the man who, as President, with his words supported gay marriage, bringing it further into the acceptable consciousness of both my conservative parents and my teenage students still struggling with their identity.

I voted for the man who worked for healthcare for all, no matter how rich or poor.

I voted for the man who is fighting to make education affordable and effective for all.

I voted for the man who promised to shut down Guantanomo Bay and did not.

I voted for the man with a Kill List, who claims transparency but knows no president can be fully
 transparent.

I voted for the White House that allows and covers up drone attacks on innocent people.

I voted for the man who struggles to bring the economy back on its feet.

I am not starry eyed anymore.  Obama has flaws and some are huge.  But, I am much more willing to put up with the flaws and successes of his presidency than risk a presidency where I may have lost so much ground as a young queer female teacher of color.

I also voted for Elizabeth Warren, getting Ken (Scott Brown) out of office, medical marijuana, and euthanasia (which was narrowly defeated, unfortunately).  Also something about car information.
Logged
www.upstreamofconsciousness.blogspot.com

"Just dance, gonna be OK, just dance." - Lady Gaga, inspired by Rainer Maria Rilke

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #123 on: November 09, 2012, 12:54:01 AM »

Again, an excellent plan, but the one has a long history of getting way too worked up over
things like card games, and the other seems to have taken substantial leave of his sense of
reason - he basically sounds EXACTLY like those various right-wing rant websites that the
rational world is having so much fun  ridiculing since Wednesday... and, being a Right-Wingnut,
of course he carries a gun...  This honestly concerns me a bit.
..I guess just tolerate it? And maybe laugh at them? If that wouldn't escalate things. I've always found finding the humor in my family's ridiculousness helps (plus it makes me feel good to mock them when they're pissing me off, although you probably shouldn't do that). And you should also probably adopt a policy of checking all firearms at the door.
Logged

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #124 on: November 09, 2012, 07:04:38 PM »

Funny thing about people who carry guns: They tend to get upset whenever
someone suggests that they shouldn't carry them somewhere.
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #125 on: November 10, 2012, 01:21:30 PM »

Does he really go armed everywhere? Because that's a little crazy.
Logged

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #126 on: November 10, 2012, 09:50:39 PM »

As far as THAT goes, one never knows when/where he might have need of his
firearm.... Assuming the person carrying the weapon is competent and rational,
there's no problem...
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #127 on: November 10, 2012, 10:03:26 PM »

I don't live in a world where I'm going to end up needing a weapon of any sort. And if I do end up living in a world like that I'm probably going to get a taser. Or mace. I could never shoot someone, I could never kill someone. I could hit them with a baseball bat really fucking hard, but it's not proper to carry baseball bats everywhere.
What world do you guys live in? Some places are more dangerous than others.

But I don't feel like the majority of people have the need to carry weapons on them to be safe.
Logged

Miranda.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1303
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #128 on: November 11, 2012, 10:09:29 AM »

Does he really go armed everywhere? Because that's a little crazy.

Lolololololololol come to Texas. My husbands grandfather has 2-3 guns on him at all times. No joke. 1 small one in his front shirt pocket (wtf) and one on his belt & a mysterious third one in his shoe I believe.
Logged
I could live for nothing but kissing.

5 points to the house of your choosing for awesome crochet skills.

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #129 on: November 11, 2012, 04:39:16 PM »

Does he really go armed everywhere? Because that's a little crazy.

Lolololololololol come to Texas. My husbands grandfather has 2-3 guns on him at all times. No joke. 1 small one in his front shirt pocket (wtf) and one on his belt & a mysterious third one in his shoe I believe.
I feel like having a gun in your shoe would be super uncomfortable no matter how small it is.
Logged

RoRi23

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 54
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #130 on: November 11, 2012, 04:55:21 PM »

Sometimes it feels as if the US of A are not merely an ocean away but a century as well...
Logged

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #131 on: November 11, 2012, 04:59:49 PM »

Sometimes it feels as if the US of A are not merely an ocean away but a century as well...
Why?
Logged

sangrebloom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1032
  • I'm working toward something, I don't know what...
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #132 on: November 11, 2012, 08:44:41 PM »

Sometimes it feels as if the US of A are not merely an ocean away but a century as well...
Why?

I second this question as well.
Logged
I had to google pegging.

"I'm generally confused - I can't hear you over my obnoxious wealth"

Indja Points:40

RoRi23

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 54
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #133 on: November 12, 2012, 05:10:07 AM »

People carrying guns sounds so Wild West, so 19th century.

(I'm not trying to troll, but sometimes I forget how different things are in the US (not necessarily worse or better, merely very different.))
Logged

Miranda.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1303
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #134 on: November 12, 2012, 10:53:16 AM »

I understood the sentiment.
Logged
I could live for nothing but kissing.

5 points to the house of your choosing for awesome crochet skills.

music box

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4441
    • http://icemyeyes.deviantart.com/
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #135 on: November 12, 2012, 12:37:32 PM »

A New York area Applebee's franchise CEO implemented a hiring freeze due to the overwhelming cost of Obamacare. The CEO, Zane Tankel, hinted that there is a possibility that employee's hours could be cut to keep them part-time and/or lay off workers entirely. Darden Restaurants (Olive Garden, Red Lobster, etc.) is also putting more part-time positions in their restaurants in an attempt to get around the fees for the healthcare law which mandates businesses with 50 or more employees pay a fee of $2,000 per employee if they don't offer an insurance plan. Jimmy John's is also considering cutting hours.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/zane-tankel-applebees-obamacare_n_2094568.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular


*hold for applause*

imaginary friend

  • Enigmagnetic
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 14904
  • up in flames
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #136 on: November 12, 2012, 04:16:02 PM »

^ yet another argument for single-payer health care.

music box

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4441
    • http://icemyeyes.deviantart.com/
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #137 on: November 12, 2012, 07:18:21 PM »

Hardly an argument.

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #138 on: November 12, 2012, 08:00:00 PM »

A New York area Applebee's franchise CEO implemented a hiring freeze due to the overwhelming cost of Obamacare. The CEO, Zane Tankel, hinted that there is a possibility that employee's hours could be cut to keep them part-time and/or lay off workers entirely. Darden Restaurants (Olive Garden, Red Lobster, etc.) is also putting more part-time positions in their restaurants in an attempt to get around the fees for the healthcare law which mandates businesses with 50 or more employees pay a fee of $2,000 per employee if they don't offer an insurance plan. Jimmy John's is also considering cutting hours.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/zane-tankel-applebees-obamacare_n_2094568.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular


*hold for applause*
Gee, a restaurant owner goes out of his way to screw his staffers.

THAT'S newsworthy..... (okay, adding a political excuse to it is a twist, but not much of one.)
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

Tiervexx

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2388
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #139 on: November 12, 2012, 08:11:55 PM »

^ yet another argument for single-payer health care.

The US healthcare system combines capitalism and socialism in a way that is brilliantly designed to have the advantages of neither.
Logged

imaginary friend

  • Enigmagnetic
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 14904
  • up in flames
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #140 on: November 13, 2012, 01:14:59 AM »

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #141 on: November 13, 2012, 01:21:39 AM »

a story of a small-town Romney campaign worker; I found it oddly touching:   http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/gops-red-america-forced-to-rethink-its-image-of-country/2012/11/11/3bb15fb8-2ab0-11e2-bab2-eda299503684_print.html
It's way too easy to chalk this nonsense up to PURE racism, but really, does anyone think
these idiots would be this upset if we had, say "President Gore"?  He's way more "Left" than
Obama, but he's a white Southerner...  Even if it's not conscious, a big piece of the hysterics
really is (in my best estimation) simply that a non-[old white man] is President.  Even a black
guy with a proper "Christian" name....
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

imaginary friend

  • Enigmagnetic
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 14904
  • up in flames
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #142 on: November 13, 2012, 01:23:26 AM »

you're spot-on there, but I still feel for her in a strange way.

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #143 on: November 13, 2012, 01:36:20 AM »

It reminds me a bit of....  Have you ever watched a show on NBC called "Who Do You
Think You Are?" - celebs use ancestry.com to track their family history, and the writers
and editors find a compelling story... (They borrowed the format from BBC.)

Someone, I think maybe Paula Deen, was looking at her family, living in the American South
just before the Civil War, and she had a [some number of greats-] grandfather who was a
judge, a man of wealth power and influence, and surprise! he was a slaveholder...  This
caused an emotional reaction, something like embarrassment or shame.....  A few TV minutes
later, after the war was over, he simply couldn't stand it, and the still-wealthy, still-powerful
man went to his study and shot himself....  and that was sad too.
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

Miranda.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1303
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #144 on: November 13, 2012, 11:22:37 AM »



"Texas already has over 22,000 signatures and if they have enough support they could very well be removed from the United States. "


This is on my tumblr dash and people are freaking out like maybe a state is really going to secede. I want to reach through my computer monitor and slap them all in the faces with a piece of peanut butter toast.


I believe one of these is in order:
Logged
I could live for nothing but kissing.

5 points to the house of your choosing for awesome crochet skills.

Rose

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 810
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #145 on: November 13, 2012, 12:52:59 PM »

The whole seceding thing is ridiculous and really pisses me off. Some fucking assholes in my state are all butthurt and doing it and they're making us look like idiots. You can't just go throwing a bitch fit because a president you don't like wins. The blue states didn't throw a tantrum when Bush Junior won his second term. And what are they doing to do, be their own little countries? Because not all of them touch on each other, and I doubt they could agree anyway. It's so goddamned juvenile, and it just furthers and deepens the disgusting partisan divide in the American populace.
Logged

CeeGBee

  • Too o-o-old to rock & ro-o-oll, but too young to die...
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 18563
    • Facebook, website, what's the dif?
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #146 on: November 13, 2012, 04:02:01 PM »

Is it ironic that ~Miranda~ complains about people who want to secede
from the Union and says "I don't want to live on this planet anymore"?
Logged
Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

N.U.

  • Initials... OF DOOM!
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2258
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #147 on: November 13, 2012, 04:05:21 PM »

Sure... Go ahead and secede... we DARE you. - The U.S. Government.
Logged

Miranda.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1303
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #148 on: November 13, 2012, 04:21:01 PM »

Is it ironic that ~Miranda~ complains about people who want to secede
from the Union and says "I don't want to live on this planet anymore"?


yeah I sort of thought that when I posted it buuuut when in doubt: meme. so I did.
Logged
I could live for nothing but kissing.

5 points to the house of your choosing for awesome crochet skills.

Rob

  • Now I must go, Sean Hannity is on.
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 2154
  • Harmless
    • My Yahoo!
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #149 on: November 13, 2012, 09:06:54 PM »

Sure... Go ahead and secede... we DARE you. - The U.S. Government.

It seems like that's been tried before...
Logged
Everybody dies
Frustrated and sad
And that is beautiful

music box

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4441
    • http://icemyeyes.deviantart.com/
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #150 on: November 16, 2012, 10:23:51 AM »

Here's another one... A Florida man who operates 40 Denny's restaurants and 5 Hurricane Grill & Wings is going to implement a surcharge to guest bills to help pay for Obamacare.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/florida-restaurateur-to-impose-surcharge-for-obamacare.html




And to make it clear, I am not arguing a point. I am just noticing these stories more and more now and feel like sharing them.

Miss Sahara

  • .............
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1008
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #151 on: November 16, 2012, 06:18:50 PM »

Does he really go armed everywhere? Because that's a little crazy.

Lolololololololol come to Texas. My husbands grandfather has 2-3 guns on him at all times. No joke. 1 small one in his front shirt pocket (wtf) and one on his belt & a mysterious third one in his shoe I believe.

wtf. does he ever need them?

things in this thread are very educational to me.
also the whole obamacare discussion is so astonishing to me having grown up in a country where health care is a matter of course.

Logged

Miranda.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1303
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #152 on: November 16, 2012, 06:51:46 PM »

Ummm I've never seen him use them
Logged
I could live for nothing but kissing.

5 points to the house of your choosing for awesome crochet skills.

Miranda.

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 1303
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #153 on: November 17, 2012, 01:22:10 PM »

Logged
I could live for nothing but kissing.

5 points to the house of your choosing for awesome crochet skills.

music box

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 4441
    • http://icemyeyes.deviantart.com/
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #154 on: November 17, 2012, 10:30:47 PM »

I guess no one is impressed these days, lol.

imaginary friend

  • Enigmagnetic
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 14904
  • up in flames
Re: Will you vote for Obama again?
« Reply #155 on: November 18, 2012, 12:19:01 PM »

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 ... 11 [All]   Go Up