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On Sinéad O'Connor's letter to Miley Cyrus
« on: October 03, 2013, 12:38:37 PM »

http://t.co/2ZNWBSUgjv

What do you think about it guys? I wonder what boxers have to say about this letter because like many things done by O'Connor in the past, i found this letter very controversial (Don't get me wrong, i like her music and respect her big time.). And i think it worths some brainstorming :)
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Re: On Sinéad O'Connor's letter to Miley Cyrus
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2013, 07:06:13 PM »

Amanda posted a response, and summed up perfectly what I think Sinead got wrong: her idea that Miley's being manipulated into doing all this wanna-be-sexy idiocy in public and on video.

Miley Cyrus was worth well over half a billion dollars before she turned 18 - the idea that anybody running a record label that Miley could buy tomorrow is bossing her around is laughable.

Having said that, I found the rest of Sinead's message to be heartfelt and oddly touching.

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Re: On Sinéad O'Connor's letter to Miley Cyrus
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2013, 05:44:22 AM »

Yes i too think AFP summed up the whole thing perfectly.

From another aspect, i'm sorry but i don't believe in sincerity of O'Connor's letter too, she might have sent it via private email and that would be the exact thing a mother would do. But instead she decided to send it via the biggest bully of the recent times, Perez Hilton. And she also posted it on her official website.

The whole thing seems like they are fighting for the sake of attention and popularity, to me. And there really is no point on trying to pick who is right or who is wrong because they all have had their shares of making mistakes, and it's not fair to scorn someone just because you are an idol. She might have suggested people to live Miley alone and focus on the problems in this business instead, and then it would make a great sense to me.

I am so sick of seeing Miley's name everywhere, and how people going on and on in Youtube like "Still better than Miley... This is the real artist, not that Miley girl... We are a lucky generation for having blah blah instead of Miley...". I think all we need to do is to give Miley and Bieber some space and i guess they'll grow up and become a lot wiser in many things, maybe they'll feel sick about their past careers or maybe they'll take it to somewhere more professional and mature. But if we keep making them feel caged they'll keep making such mistakes and unfortunate statements like Britney Spears used to do. All i know is i don't want to see another devastated singer on TVs and tabloids, it's really sad. I dislike everything Miley Cyrus did so far, i disliked whatever Britney Spears did, but i wouldn't like them ending up like Amy Winehouse (i know, quite different genres, but the stories are almost the same).
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Re: On Sinéad O'Connor's letter to Miley Cyrus
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2013, 12:32:41 PM »

AFP missed the point. It's not about wanting it yes or no, it's about the future. Someone left a perfect response at Amanda's blog.

It's about investing in yourself. You don't want to use your body and then grow old and people won't like you as much. That's what O'Connor is saying. Be aware of what it does to the public perception of what you stand for. If you stand for sex and music, and you get older, people won't listen anymore because there's no more sex.

The thing that I didn't agree upon was O'Connor saying Miley was a good musician. But that's a different discussion.


Oh and please, someone at 18 who has it all figured out? This is textbook stuff when it comes to growing up. You need guidance in some way or another. And I don't think anyone'll stop her waving her private bits around. It sells, so you won't hear anyone complain.

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Re: On Sinéad O'Connor's letter to Miley Cyrus
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2013, 04:29:40 AM »

I think AFP had a great point that everybody goes through being a shitty teenager, but the rest of us do it in anonymity.  If were lucky only a handful of people will remember us in our formative stages of becoming older human beings. If were lucky we'll remember being a shitty kid too, and not try to forget about it. (her response to the open letter was a pretty shitty way of responding.)
I thought O'Connor had a really good point about Miley not needing to be the naked girl though. Personally I feel her father might have told her to keep her pants on which is why He's not in her periphery.   

I honestly don't care for pop music, so I'm not the person to say her work is great, but besides that while I understand why she wants to do what she's doing, I don't think it's a great Idea.  The way she's presenting herself is messy and thoughtless, like a sloppy joe.
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Re: On Sinéad O'Connor's letter to Miley Cyrus
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2013, 06:55:57 PM »

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I do believe that is lady gaga at age 8.
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Re: On Sinéad O'Connor's letter to Miley Cyrus
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2013, 03:45:33 PM »

I'm tired of all this crap

I like Miley Cyrus. I think she's talented and I love how she's coming out of her shell. Yeah, she may over do it but she's about to 21. She's grown up! She is not Hannah anymore and she will never be Hannah again. Not to mention, everyone is giving her attention, thinking it'll change her but it hasn't. She is still making money. She was also on SNL and she did a really good job.

Honestly people, just give up
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Re: On Sinéad O'Connor's letter to Miley Cyrus
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2013, 10:17:03 PM »

While I support her ability to present herself anyway she likes and appreciate that she's young & having fun, I think it's a poor career strategy. In these days of hot and cold running porn, nudity is not much of a commodity. She has so many assets (a powerful voice, 10,000 hours performing on stage and in front of cameras, songwriting experience and a recognized name) that I think her current direction is misguided and a bit sad. She should be giving Taylor Swift a run for her money, not trying to compete with Ke$ha.
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Re: On Sinéad O'Connor's letter to Miley Cyrus
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2013, 07:37:19 AM »

Why? Why should she be competing with Taylor Swift or Ke$ha?

She doesn't need to be competing with anyone. She just needs to do her own thing. If she makes a mistake and falls flat on her face, then good! That's how she'll learn
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Re: On Sinéad O'Connor's letter to Miley Cyrus
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2013, 12:11:52 PM »

I should have been more clear about those two choices. What I meant was that the wild child/party girl bit gets tired fast and only works when you're young. It's better to build an image, a repertoire & reputation (as a good songwriter, singer, stage performer etc.) that will sustain you through a long career.

I've seen a tumblr that shows how Miley is copying Pink, which is normal. We copy our idols until we can forge our own identities. This goes back to the question of the limited choices offered to women in the entertainment industry.
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Re: On Sinéad O'Connor's letter to Miley Cyrus
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2013, 03:34:13 PM »

But P!nk calmed down. She's still a rocker but she isn't as wild as she used to be.

I have faith that Miley will calm down and change.
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Re: On Sinéad O'Connor's letter to Miley Cyrus
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2013, 05:22:35 PM »

It's my opinion that even if she calms down, I don't think she will be stable enough to find out her true depth. The more I think about it, the more I think that she's kinda stunted as a person, she's done so much and been through so much and has been viewed like a bug in jar.  If I was her I'd question reality.
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Re: On Sinéad O'Connor's letter to Miley Cyrus
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2013, 09:38:26 AM »

In the end, I think we should be lucky that this isn't worse
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