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The big Bang and evolution
« on: August 30, 2008, 08:07:05 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHhRUF5Vzos&feature=related
Sorry this guy is a moron
but if anyone wants to discuss these things properly
or leave interesting answers to his questions
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Re: The big Bang and evolution
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2008, 11:05:33 AM »

What the fuck is wrong with people? The sad part is there are a bunch of rednecks cheering this crap on. UGH

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Re: The big Bang and evolution
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2008, 01:28:51 PM »

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Re: The big Bang and evolution
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2008, 06:37:17 PM »

1. What a f'in idiot, what a moron...

2. His questions are all easily answered within relatively straightforward accepted scientific theory...


However (and I was kinda hoping he'd be clever enough to throw this one out there...)
That "big-bang" thing...  Who lit the fuse?  Where's the "prime mover"?  What started it all?

The obvious flaw in the "pure" scientific theory of the Big Bang is that scientists want a starting
point, but they don't want to concede that for there to be a moment at which everything started,
someone/something had to have started it.  As accepted scientific law clearly states, and experimental
observation can easily demonstrate, an object at rest tends to remain at rest unless/until acted
upon by an outside force.  If everything in the entire universe was compacted together in a single
space, what was the "outside force"?

My follow-up question is "what happened the day before the Big Bang?"

[If anyone's interested, I don't accept the BB as anything more than our farthest theoretical observation
of a rhythmic expansion/contraction of the space near us in a physically infinite existence.  A compression
in The Great Cosmic Slinky...]

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Re: The big Bang and evolution
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2008, 06:49:11 PM »

dumbass alert!

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Re: The big Bang and evolution
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2008, 07:38:56 PM »

Where to start... damn isn´t this a parody video?... can someone be that idiot?

1.- Planets are not perfectly round, movement and according to general Relativity the "space" could shape them kinda-round because of the movement.

2.- Evolution... there are certain limits idiot... and well you there is also caco-evolution (as i like to call it, there is not such a word as caco-evolution, I just try to mean bad-evolution/wrong-evolution) like you ... look at yourself dude.

I didn´t even listened to his 3rd question.

CeeGBee, there are certain theories, Dr. Hawking say we are a singularity following certain "way" and when we reach the "limit" it will start backwards, back to a little piece of the size of a bean... then boom once again.  It is just a theory so don´t get bitchy, there is also something related to imaginary time and pre-bigbang things... but I don´t remember them.
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Re: The big Bang and evolution
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2008, 10:35:56 PM »

Surprise!  Me and the smartest frickin' guy in a wheelchair in the world agree...  It expands,
then it contracts, then it expands again..... and so on.

And since there's no friction to speak of in (pretty much-) empty space, that wouldn't cause
planets to become rounded, but since they were first gaseous, then liquid, slowly cooling to a
solid (keep in mind that most of this "rock" we live on is actually quite molten), the gravitational
tendency is to form a sphere, and when that sphere develops a magnetic polarity about which
it rotates in a steady pattern, centrifugal force causes it to bulge slightly around the middle...

What was dimwit's third question...?


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Re: The big Bang and evolution
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2008, 11:28:34 PM »

Surprise!  Me and the smartest frickin' guy in a wheelchair in the world agree...  It expands,
then it contracts, then it expands again..... and so on.

And since there's no friction to speak of in (pretty much-) empty space, that wouldn't cause
planets to become rounded, but since they were first gaseous, then liquid, slowly cooling to a
solid (keep in mind that most of this "rock" we live on is actually quite molten), the gravitational
tendency is to form a sphere, and when that sphere develops a magnetic polarity about which
it rotates in a steady pattern
, centrifugal force causes it to bulge slightly around the middle...

What was dimwit's third question...?




Well, ... language barriers appear again... I was trying to mean that but well... spanish !! english so... meh.

Dude, I don´t want to be physics nazi but... there is not such thing as centrifugal force, there is... an adjective commonly used "centripetal"... the tendency of keep on moving is what people know as centrifugal force... but there is no force so it is centripetal movement (again maybe language barriers will appear when you read this but trust me if we were talking in spanish you would understand me).
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Re: The big Bang and evolution
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2008, 11:42:49 PM »

Surprise!  Me and the smartest frickin' guy in a wheelchair in the world agree...  It expands,
then it contracts, then it expands again..... and so on.

And since there's no friction to speak of in (pretty much-) empty space, that wouldn't cause
planets to become rounded, but since they were first gaseous, then liquid, slowly cooling to a
solid (keep in mind that most of this "rock" we live on is actually quite molten), the gravitational
tendency is to form a sphere, and when that sphere develops a magnetic polarity about which
it rotates in a steady pattern
, centrifugal force causes it to bulge slightly around the middle...

What was dimwit's third question...?




Well, ... language barriers appear again... I was trying to mean that but well... spanish !! english so... meh.

Dude, I don´t want to be physics nazi but... there is not such thing as centrifugal force, there is... an adjective commonly used "centripetal"... the tendency of keep on moving is what people know as centrifugal force... but there is no force so it is centripetal movement (again maybe language barriers will appear when you read this but trust me if we were talking in spanish you would understand me).
I forget which one the hardcore physicists say is imaginary...   In any case, the matter at the "equator" of a
rotating sphere are moving faster than that closer to the "poles", and it pulls harder against the gravity holding
the whole mass together, creating a bulge in the moddle of the sphere.
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Re: The big Bang and evolution
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2008, 07:42:12 AM »

That guy in the video can't be for real..


Anyway, what existed before the Big Bang? What caused it? Anything? God?
We can see how life arises in the absence of God, but what about the universe?



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Re: The big Bang and evolution
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2008, 09:57:35 PM »

1. What a f'in idiot, what a moron...

2. His questions are all easily answered within relatively straightforward accepted scientific theory...


However (and I was kinda hoping he'd be clever enough to throw this one out there...)
That "big-bang" thing...  Who lit the fuse?  Where's the "prime mover"?  What started it all?

The obvious flaw in the "pure" scientific theory of the Big Bang is that scientists want a starting
point, but they don't want to concede that for there to be a moment at which everything started,
someone/something had to have started it.  As accepted scientific law clearly states, and experimental
observation can easily demonstrate, an object at rest tends to remain at rest unless/until acted
upon by an outside force.  If everything in the entire universe was compacted together in a single
space, what was the "outside force"?

My follow-up question is "what happened the day before the Big Bang?"

[If anyone's interested, I don't accept the BB as anything more than our farthest theoretical observation
of a rhythmic expansion/contraction of the space near us in a physically infinite existence.  A compression
in The Great Cosmic Slinky...]



Your speculations are nullified as nullifiers by the fact that it is, indeed, called the Big Bang !!!Theory!!!; no proof necessary, as it isn't definitely definite. Also, I'd expect you to know they do have theories about that which caused the big bang.

You specifically stated that an object at rest stays at rest unless acted upon, or something like that, as a possible flaw of this theory. That is a law of physics - physics being laws of the universe - the universe being this thing in which we exist. I do not believe good scientists claim that anything notwithin this universe is necessarily affected by laws within this universe. And this universe was definitely created by something not within itself, since it possessed no self until the act of creation was acted.
To clarify something, space is everything that this universe is. The universe does have boundaries, the parts outside of which I would not call space, since there's nothing to prove that, and no one claims to be capable of proving what exists. If there were ever words created in any language to describe that which is not here and probably not anywhere, even as a concept, I would use them to tell you what caused this universe to be.

Lastly, and now I'm just being nice, days are arbitrary measurements that roughly calculate the time taken for the earth to rotate around it's axis 360 degrees. Nothing happened the day before the Big Bang, because days did not exist then.

I'm not an expert on this subject. Please tell me I'm wrong.
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Re: The big Bang and evolution
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2008, 10:04:28 PM »

ps

I should have elaborated. A day is not actually a measurement of time, or else time does not really exist in a relevant form. If time is a measure of change, then no event could accurately be measured relative to another event, since no two actions can be exactly the same by the nature of the universe. That would mean nothing can be correctly measured by the same time used to measure something else, and so it would be incorrect to use time as a factor in any equation. But then again, humans are chronically incompetent, and incapable.
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Re: The big Bang and evolution
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2008, 10:45:35 PM »

As most of the units regularly used they are just "references" they only exist because some guy say ... ehm lets call this a day so.. it is a day.  Time...
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Re: The big Bang and evolution
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2008, 10:51:58 PM »

Time should not have so many definitions. The word is so ambiguous that it's practically useless. Also, its best definition is useless. Someone should reinvent language, right?
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Re: The big Bang and evolution
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2008, 11:21:55 PM »

The word is ambiguous... well in many different points of view.
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