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[CeeGBee]

Please just get into the discussion ( you started it ) explain why you dislike metaphors........ explain why you agree/disagree with what we are saying..... describe anything without using metaphors!

I'm curious how one could possibly address an issue of this scope without resorting to metaphors.....

[Edicius]

My brain is tired and I think it would be unjust for me to answer you without being able to consider your words as well as I am capable. I don't want to respond incorrectly.

I can tell you why I dislike metaphors, maybe. They're difficult to understand. But I think they're used because more accurate communication of a belief is also difficult. I understand specific descriptions better than comparisons of similar things.
I would be able to understand your metaphors if I was not as tired as I am, and I may attempt to later. I said that I dislike them because I was dissapointed that I couldn't fully understand your message in this state (my state). You don't need to try not to use them; I'll interpret them when I'm ready.

[The Angel Raliel]

............ that was kind of the point...... ( I may be cross threading here ) symbolic thought requires us to enterpret all information in symbolic form......we are very bad at direct thought and rely on formal language as the only way we can communicate information

[Edicius]

Please just get into the discussion ( you started it ) explain why you dislike metaphors........ explain why you agree/disagree with what we are saying..... describe anything without using metaphors!

I'm curious how one could possibly address an issue of this scope without resorting to metaphors.....

I don't believe it's possible. Words do not exist for everything, but examples of similar objects and processes do.

[dangerpants]

Please just get into the discussion ( you started it ) explain why you dislike metaphors........ explain why you agree/disagree with what we are saying..... describe anything without using metaphors!

I'm curious how one could possibly address an issue of this scope without resorting to metaphors.....

I don't believe it's possible. Words do not exist for everything, but examples of similar objects and processes do.

Hence the use of metaphors, verdad?

[Cheddars Cousin]

Discussions without metaphores like Apple pie without cheese.

How do you feel about similies?

[yosmark]

Please just get into the discussion ( you started it ) explain why you dislike metaphors........ explain why you agree/disagree with what we are saying..... describe anything without using metaphors!

I'm curious how one could possibly address an issue of this scope without resorting to metaphors.....

I don't believe it's possible. Words do not exist for everything, but examples of similar objects and processes do.

Words need to exist?, we can´t expect for our little minds to understand the universe can we? but we can make theories... and a good concept to bring in here is "Big Crunch"

If anything is finite, I'd say everything is finite.

You failed Introduction to Logic, didn't you?

Are you trying to make an analogy with the "Hotel" paradox??

[dangerpants]

If anything is finite, I'd say everything is finite.

You failed Introduction to Logic, didn't you?

Are you trying to make an analogy with the "Hotel" paradox??

Me? I only took intro to logic, so we didn't cover all the more famous paradoxes etc, just some of them. I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the hotel paradox.  Do elaborate, please.
(We did, however, discuss arguments and such. And I was one of only three that passed the class (we started out with thirty people)...  )

[yosmark]

^ Not you, I was talking to edicius, I just realized I read that sentence all wrong so ignore the paradox thing 

Still hotel paradox: "A hotel with an infinite number of rooms can take more people even if it´s full".

[dangerpants]

Still hotel paradox: "A hotel with an infinite number of rooms can take more people even if it´s full".

Ah! Because even if it's full, they can always move their current renters? Is that right? I think I remember hearing about that when I was very small (my grandfather was a logic professor)...

[yosmark]

^ Yep, smart and cute, the whole package 

[Edicius]

I don't know if I was using an analogy.

There can be no dividing of infinity. So if there is such thing as a finite space, then space is finite. Anything quantifiable denotes a quantity. Infinity is not a quantity, but the absence of that.

[dangerpants]

I don't know if I was using an analogy.

There can be no dividing of infinity. So if there is such thing as a finite space, then space is finite. Anything quantifiable denotes a quantity. Infinity is not a quantity, but the absence of that.

If you have an infinite bag of holding, and you put yourself into it, you will still be the same mass as when you're out of the bag. You are one person, and you'll be the same measurement (read: just as finite) whether you're in an eight by eight universe or an infinite universe.

Simply because the container is huge doesn't make the things inside it just as big. It means that there's a bunch of stuff floating in a vast sea of forever.

[dangerpants]

^ Yep, smart and cute, the whole package 

  Aww thankies, yosmark.

[CeeGBee]

I don't know if I was using an analogy.

There can be no dividing of infinity. So if there is such thing as a finite space, then space is finite. Anything quantifiable denotes a quantity. Infinity is not a quantity, but the absence of that.

How many numbers are there?  The quantity is infinite.
How many whole numbers are there?  Infinitely fewer than there are of numbers in general, but the set is still infinite.
How many whole numbers are there that are evenly divisible by 37?  Fewer still by a factor of 37, but still an infinite number.

^ Yep, smart and cute, the whole package 

True dat.