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Re: the future of the dresden dolls
« Reply #120 on: September 28, 2008, 04:14:39 AM »

This isn't just directed at you. etc., etc., etc.

Um, excuse me... I am my own goddamn person. I concider myself an artist. I play piano, I work in/act in many local theatres, write poetry and songs, paint, have dreams. I get inspiration from Amanda's art and music, from the passion. I don't idolize her because she's famous or any of that, i respect her as a person because that's what she is. A person who happened to make it big doing something amazing: creating art. When I say 'make it big' it's amazing because she's able to share her art with so many people. I know so many respectable and AMAZING artists where I am, many of them are my friends. I don't know Amanda personally, but I just respect her for what she does, and her music is amazing. I have no intention of becoming famous myself, I don't need fame or people idolizing me, I would hate that. I respect her because she does art because she loves it, to create art that comes from her.

Honestly I didn't even realize what you were talking about in most of this, because I don't think you were really getting what I meant. Is there something wrong with me saying something nice about Amanda? We're all fans, clearly, since we're on here.

I'm fucking tired, I don't know if I'm making any sense.

'I mean, really, a load of people do what you described.' -- What are you reffering to...?

And I never said Amanda was a saint... I even emphized the fact that she's an 'artist'.

But I live an breathe art, wether that means creating it our appreciating other artists. I will retract that thing about MTV, that was shallow, but otherwise I don't see what you mean. It's like appreciating Piccasso or Motzart. It's art.

I appologize if any of that was rude or hard to understand, it wasn't intended to be.

And duh those songs weren't written for me. Why would I think that? what the fuck.

That's nice and fun and cool that you do shit but so what? I didn't say anything about you as an artist; I said something about a sentiment I see spread all across the board. I saw part of it, that blind adoration, when you accredited her blogs as something "really cool and amazing," or some trite comment like that. I'm referring to her talking about her life. EVERYONE does that. Why the fuck is that to be applauded? She's an exhibitionist and it feels good to have people read about what you do, to make you feel important, and in turn tell you how they feel about it, making your life something more important than it actually is. Again; why is that to be applauded?

Again, it's nice and fun and cool that you do what you do, but it's meaningless to me and to what I said. You're so defensive. I said it wasn't a direct message to you, and somehow your eyes just washed over that entire paragraph. I wasn't calling you a complete idiot; I was criticizing part of how you expressed yourself, and moved on to criticize the general attitude towards the band held by most of the members here, who (probably don't just) happen to be newer and younger.

Get past the fact that someone dared to openly criticize something you said and take it for what it was; an opinion, en masse, on the subject of a mishandled dynamic.

Haha. Okay, I don't know you anyway so none of this really matters.

Though I just have to wonder... when did I ever say 'oh my god I idolize you Amanda Palmer! My life would be a fucking mess without you to worship'

I said I respect her as an artist. These were my words. I respect myself, but I'm not idolizing myself because how would that work? I respect my peers, the people I work with, and my friends. I appreciate that she spreads her art, because I feel that art needs to be spread in the world. Not just hers, everyones. And aren't you a fan? Hmm...

Moving on. This is just my own opinion. It has nothing to do with being new to the forms or that I'm (probably) younger than you (age is relative, my friend). Honestly half of what you said confused the crap out of me anyway cause I didn't see how it related to what I was saying. haha. This is funny.

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Re: the future of the dresden dolls
« Reply #121 on: September 28, 2008, 06:29:49 AM »

The idolization struck me when you attributed keeping a blog as "amazing". I can pretty much guarantee that you wouldn't say that about any random number of people. But you do for Ms. Palmer, because you fancy her. You're compromising objectivity when you allow your attraction to a person to leave you finding more good than there really is.

You also called her an amazing person. You don't know the woman. You don't even know if she read your post. You can call Gandhi an amazing person. You can call MLK an amazing person. But you can't honestly tell me that you know Amanda Palmer is an amazing person. We are not talking about acts of greatness that sway societies; we're talking about music. And as grand as art is, the creation and sharing of is not something that makes a person good. The person is not the art, and if what you love is the art, then keep your love at the art.

I would point out where you said that your life would be a mess without her if I had indeed taken note of it; but I didn't so, and so never claimed you said it, and so can't point it out.

I have a few questions.

Why does the fact that we are strangers make this conversation unimportant? And if it really is unimportant, why would you bother getting involved in it, or taking offense?

What does the fact that I'm a fan of The Dolls have to do with it? I haven't insulted their work.

You seem like you're just grasping at things to defend yourself and not even bothering to consider what I'm saying, for the fact that you're insulted. You have, a few times, defended yourself against accusations I never even made, the most glaring being overlooking when I stated that my original post was not strictly directed at you. You're tripping over words--age is relative? First of all, I don't care how old you are, and second of all, relative to what? You didn't even give it a medium--and, to your own admission, aren't fully understanding what I'm saying. So, to take offense when you're apparently not attempting to understand what I'm saying--again, not noting that I wasn't strictly speaking to you--and, by your own admission, simply don't, is silly.

I haven't called you any names. I'm just talking to you and attempting to, perhaps, offer up, both to you and in general, a few views I've built up over the years on the subject of this community and this band. Relax, yo.
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Re: the future of the dresden dolls
« Reply #122 on: September 28, 2008, 09:38:21 AM »


That's nice and fun and cool that you do shit but so what? I didn't say anything about you as an artist; I said something about a sentiment I see spread all across the board. I saw part of it, that blind adoration, when you accredited her blogs as something "really cool and amazing," or some trite comment like that. I'm referring to her talking about her life. EVERYONE does that. Why the fuck is that to be applauded? She's an exhibitionist and it feels good to have people read about what you do, to make you feel important, and in turn tell you how they feel about it, making your life something more important than it actually is. Again; why is that to be applauded?

Whilst I agree with much of what you said...not EVERYONE leads a life filled with travel, creativity, art, music etc and not EVERYONE is willing or able to write about his or her life in an open, interesting and entertaining fashion. From what I’ve read, a vast majority of blogs are banal and boring (and often badly written to boot). Amanda Palmer’s is not. If people perceive something special or out of the ordinary about it, I don’t see anything wrong with giving it some praise. I definitely agree with you that it doesn’t warrant adulation, but I think it is at least commendable to some degree.

Also, maybe she is an exhibitionist, I guess lots of performers are, but I think it’s pretty cynical to imply that there’s some self-aggrandising agenda behind her whole blogging thing.

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Re: the future of the dresden dolls
« Reply #123 on: September 28, 2008, 09:49:07 AM »

I don't see any reason it shouldn't be credited as good, either; but applause is, in my opinion far too much for something as simple and self-involved as writing a blog. Interesting as it may be--and, when I read it, I very much enjoyed it--it is just something that's kinda cool about Ms. Palmer. She has a blog, like a lot of other people, interesting or no, and it's a good read, which isn't always the case with others. Cool, not amazing.

I don't mean to say it's an agenda; to be an agenda it'd have to be hidden behind a front, probably something like letting fans into your life, giving them more of yourself than just the music, or some other shitty excuse. Only, that it's just an apparent thing, and it is not something that would make a reasonable person say, "Wow, that's fantastic!" I don't see anything wrong with it, either; we feed ourselves, physically and mentally. Making yourself feel important, on a reasonable level, is fine. That's what blogs are, nigh invariably, about. Making yourself feel important. Noting your life and sharing it with others, putting it out there as if it's worth noting publicly. I'm not being cynical, just practical. It falls into the same category of giving to others, how everything we do is selfish. We give because, not only does it help, but it feels good to do so. Nothing wrong with it, it's just there. I only speak up about it when I think that it is misrepresented, or characterized as better than I perceive it to be.
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Re: the future of the dresden dolls
« Reply #124 on: September 28, 2008, 10:58:32 AM »

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OK yeah, I agree with what you're saying about the need for people to not get stupidly fan girl/boy-ish. I guess maybe it's a reflection of our celebrity obsessed culture, which leads to fans mythologizing rockstars/sportstars etc like they're gods.  I always thought this Cat Power lyric summed it up well: "Don't be in love with the autograph, just be in love when you scream that song".

Anyway, wow, this has gotten pretty off topic, so sorry about the GIANT fucking TANGENT.
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« Reply #125 on: September 28, 2008, 12:33:10 PM »

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OK yeah, I agree with what you're saying about the need for people to not get stupidly fan girl/boy-ish. I guess maybe it's a reflection of our celebrity obsessed culture, which leads to fans mythologizing rockstars/sportstars etc like they're gods.  I always thought this Cat Power lyric summed it up well: "Don't be in love with the autograph, just be in love when you scream that song".

Anyway, wow, this has gotten pretty off topic, so sorry about the GIANT fucking TANGENT.

that's so true!!!

to come back to the topic  ;D

I hope that when brian has enough of his "wild times" they' ll come together to play again
I'm not only hoping for me as fan, I also do for amanda, who said that she loves making music with him
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Re: the future of the dresden dolls
« Reply #126 on: September 28, 2008, 01:49:51 PM »

Why would anyone want to reduce another's automatic joy?
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« Reply #127 on: September 28, 2008, 05:56:06 PM »

oddly, i was listening to The Point of it All as i was reading amanda's future of the dresden dolls, today i remembered why i feel so blue, then i say to myself "what good is sitting all alone in your room?"
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« Reply #128 on: September 28, 2008, 07:09:26 PM »

Why would anyone want to reduce another's automatic joy?
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« Reply #129 on: September 28, 2008, 07:58:37 PM »

I'm amazing, why doesn't anyone idolise MEEEE?!
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« Reply #130 on: September 29, 2008, 01:05:14 AM »

I'm amazing, why doesn't anyone idolise MEEEE?!
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« Reply #131 on: September 29, 2008, 01:00:03 PM »

WEll, that's my day made.
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« Reply #132 on: September 29, 2008, 03:43:47 PM »

I'm probably unwell....

Well, yes, but for different reasons... we just didn't want to tell you...  >:D
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« Reply #133 on: September 29, 2008, 03:47:09 PM »

I'm amazing, why doesn't anyone idolise MEEEE?!
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« Reply #134 on: September 29, 2008, 04:54:11 PM »

You want some? Just head to the kitchen I work in!
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