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Author Topic: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism  (Read 14028 times)

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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2008, 03:03:23 PM »

i'm a registered communist.
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Marx lacked any remote understanding of human psychology.
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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2008, 03:20:40 PM »

excuse the ignorance, but is there a difference between social darwinism and capitalism?  Communism is a form of Socialism.

I'd take Capitalism with a dash of Socialism.  Give people incentive, but don't let them suffer.
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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2008, 04:00:42 PM »

excuse the ignorance, but is there a difference between social darwinism and capitalism?  Communism is a form of Socialism.

I'd take Capitalism with a dash of Socialism.  Give people incentive, but don't let them suffer.
The Social Darwinist sells all his shares to his partners and moves out of state just before
the rioting workers burn down the plant.  His capitalist partners are surprised that their
modestly-paid security guards don't do anything to stop them.
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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2008, 11:51:18 PM »

I like Paleinism!
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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2008, 06:51:00 PM »

i'm a registered communist.
Marx knew what was up.


Communism is an unrealistic fantasy. The resources required to distribute the wealth amongst a population, in a system free of corruption, leaves very little for distribution. It's a service industry that produces nothing. Add the reality of power, and a whole new percentage of resources are chopped off the top. Communism fails, mathematically, in a perfect world. In the real world, it can't even rise above the threshold of catastrophe.
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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2008, 09:18:25 AM »

Anarchism, ideally. I have no idea how it would work on a global scale though...

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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2008, 10:16:31 AM »

Hmmm, probably capitalism but you could possibly input some socialist ideas into it. Communism would never work.
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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2008, 05:36:17 PM »

i'm a registered communist.
Marx knew what was up.


Communism is an unrealistic fantasy. The resources required to distribute the wealth amongst a population, in a system free of corruption, leaves very little for distribution. It's a service industry that produces nothing. Add the reality of power, and a whole new percentage of resources are chopped off the top. Communism fails, mathematically, in a perfect world. In the real world, it can't even rise above the threshold of catastrophe.

and i suppose capitalism works splendidly? that's why there are homeless people and a welfare system that traps people into feeding off of the government.
where communism is active, such as china, i won't try to suggest that that is working any better than capitalism, but that's because what's going on there is a corruption of communism.
i always have this discussion with people and to be honest i couldn't give two shits about the economy or economic philosophy, OR how communism comes into play in those aspects. all i care about is the fact that it RECOGNIZES social equality, and don't come at me with all this bullocks about how people aren't really equal. yes some people are retarded and some are blind and some are better at some shit than others. fuck that shit. that doesn't mean anyone's better than anyone else, and that's the only thing that i care about politically. that's all i have to say on the matter. disagree all you like.
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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2008, 06:01:19 PM »

Capitalism needs maintenance like any other system. In reality, it is the default setting of any trading community. We do not exchange goods for goods. The world has moved way beyond that. We have replaced much of our method of war with trade. It is and must be recognized as the machine the runs societies. Capitalism can shift and buffer corruption. Communism cannot function with any corruption. It's unrealistic.

But yes, capitalism works. The wondrous inventions that fill your world are the fallout of capitalism. So is the quality of life and health you enjoy. Even the poor in a strong capitalist society enjoy luxuries that are unknown to most people outside of our world. Equality? Do you really think there is any fruit in that mandate? It's a declaration in a manifesto. In Cuba, racism is illegal. Pretty simple, eh? How do you think it plays out? It's easy to see, feel and sense our problems from the inside. In that sense, there will always be a platform from which people can cry for a new way. The mark of progress is to take what works from a high functioning system and tweak what remains as demands indicate. I've railed against the system for decades, but communism is failed from it's conception. It displaces inspiration and ambition with a mandate of equality of circumstance... no matter what... no matter what you do to contribute to it... no matter how impossible it is to deliver on that promise. That's what it is. Communism is a promise. Capitalism is a system. Even communist societies have to utilize capitalism. It's how we move as a community.

Now, I believe in the value of social programs. I have lived in a functioning socialist nation. Still, the betterment of the people always rides on the coattails of capitalist kinesis.

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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2008, 09:20:51 PM »

one - capitalism sucks.

two - Communism assumes that humans aren't naturally selfish (as Social Darwinism only proves), and therefore WOULDN'T WORK.

three - most Anarchists wouldn't survive ten minutes in a truly Anachist society, because they're wishy washy, artsy fartsy pushovers.  Anarchy is usually a utopia for teen rebels (I DON'T HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL!), and mid-life crisis rebels (I CAN FUCK TEENS WHO DON'T WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL!), who dream of a place where they could do whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted, however they wanted--without realizing that this involves being stressed out of your mind while you're trying to avoid the shit end of a semi-automatic.  i think the only person on this board who could manage it would be NickNJ.

four - Socialism is just a wishy washy form of Communism, and wouldn't work, either.  most people can't even balance their own checkbook properly, much less run the society they live in.  blame the rich kids who convinced you to stop watching the man behind the curtain, and start watching television.


Capitalism sucks, but if you inserted any other form of government in it's place, the world would crumble.  we're at a point where we can't just change, or switch over.  hell, the American dollar, paper money, is worthless at this point, and either way China owns our souls already.  i'm not saying we should give up, but the idea of balance is there for a reason.  you have to balance the bad with the good.  you need both.

at this point in our society, i highly doubt, unless some major catastrophe occurred, we could ween ourselves off currency, which is simply the root of all modern evil.




god, you know what?  i sound so cynical.  is that my fault, or should i just blame society?
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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2008, 09:39:26 PM »

you are a very jaded and cynical girl ms. .net.
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« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2008, 02:41:14 AM »

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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2008, 03:12:56 AM »

we need a global dictator ( the sort with secret islands and crazy technology ), the rest of the world would unite in an effort to overthrow the eeevil Doctor von Death, and might actually sort a load of other stuff out in the process......
either that or a system where  capitalism is in place for 5 years, and then automatically replaced with a 5 year period of socialism...... Britian used to kind of work this way until Labour stopped being a socialist party and became New Labour (essentially slightly more liberal conservatives)
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« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2008, 10:03:15 AM »

yes, and you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup.

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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2008, 11:51:04 AM »

three - most Anarchists wouldn't survive ten minutes in a truly Anachist society, because they're wishy washy, artsy fartsy pushovers.  Anarchy is usually a utopia for teen rebels (I DON'T HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL!), and mid-life crisis rebels (I CAN FUCK TEENS WHO DON'T WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL!), who dream of a place where they could do whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted, however they wanted--without realizing that this involves being stressed out of your mind while you're trying to avoid the shit end of a semi-automatic.  i think the only person on this board who could manage it would be NickNJ.

This is quite frankly bollocks. A lot of grassroots political protest movements are built on anarchist principles. I know because I am involved with them. I have seen it work, and work well; everyone feels like they are being listened to and no individual can hijack the campaign. It has the added benefit that the police have a lot more trouble identifying the "organisers" they need to strategically target....

Anarchism does not mean "everyone doing what the fuck they want", it means "everyone participating in decision making in a non-hierarchical manner". Rules can and do exist, but they come from the collective interest rather than somebody's top-down influence. For an example refer to the Peoples' Global Action network: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples%27_Global_Action - the PGA hallmarks are a general set of "rules", which were agreed on by people from all over the planet who shared a common interest.

Note I said "common interest". I'm not sure how this works if there is no common interest, which is why I said I don't know how anarchism would work on a global scale.

we're at a point where we can't just change, or switch over.

I agree with this; some people are doing very well from capitalism and would resist it strongly.
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