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Author Topic: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism  (Read 14013 times)

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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2008, 05:45:08 PM »

That's 'cause farmers got other shit to worry about.  And they've been indoctrinated.

but yeah, otherwise, you have a good point.
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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2008, 05:58:28 PM »

I am confused by this "Consensus Decision Making" of yours.  Are you suggesting that this can be part of reality?

I am involved with a group called Climate Camp (http://www.climatecamp.org.uk/), which uses consensus decision making. It works in this context, so to that extent it can be part of reality. My observation is that it works well fundamentally because everybody involved shares the same broad objectives.

I have no idea whether it could work on a larger scale, though climate camp is pretty big (~2000 people at the camp in August, and there tends to be about 150 at each national decision making gathering). Obviously, this is nowhere near the size of a country or even town/city. I have very little knowledge of the process of bigger movements like PGA, but clearly they managed to decide stuff one way or another...
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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #47 on: October 21, 2008, 06:01:04 PM »


Compromise = possible



One more thing... The response about the difference between a democracy and a republic is a good one. The difference between democracy and consensus decision making is that CDM strives for as near as possible complete agreement on a decision within the group, whereas democracy only requires majority. Whether CDM implies anarchy, populism or whatever is semantics.

CDM would only ever be different from Democracy, if it started with the word Compromise.


besides, whatever happened to letting the kids have their fun, Cee?
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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #48 on: October 21, 2008, 06:04:25 PM »

I have no idea whether it could work on a larger scale, though climate camp is pretty big (~2000 people at the camp in August, and there tends to be about 150 at each national decision making gathering). Obviously, this is nowhere near the size of a country or even town/city. I have very little knowledge of the process of bigger movements like PGA, but clearly they managed to decide stuff one way or another...


add to your considerations that there is bound to be a degree homogeneity in an organization or camp which draws voluntary participation.
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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #49 on: October 21, 2008, 06:30:58 PM »


Compromise = possible


One more thing... The response about the difference between a democracy and a republic is a good one. The difference between democracy and consensus decision making is that CDM strives for as near as possible complete agreement on a decision within the group, whereas democracy only requires majority. Whether CDM implies anarchy, populism or whatever is semantics.

CDM would only ever be different from Democracy, if it started with the word Compromise.
besides, whatever happened to letting the kids have their fun, Cee?
Somewhere in there, the line between IDEALISM and STUPID got crossed...


I seem to recall saying back at the beginning of this thread that no political philosophy
can be applied to the real world in pure form.  I stand by that.
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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #50 on: October 21, 2008, 09:18:52 PM »


Compromise = possible


One more thing... The response about the difference between a democracy and a republic is a good one. The difference between democracy and consensus decision making is that CDM strives for as near as possible complete agreement on a decision within the group, whereas democracy only requires majority. Whether CDM implies anarchy, populism or whatever is semantics.

CDM would only ever be different from Democracy, if it started with the word Compromise.
besides, whatever happened to letting the kids have their fun, Cee?
Somewhere in there, the line between IDEALISM and STUPID got crossed...


I seem to recall saying back at the beginning of this thread that no political philosophy
can be applied to the real world in pure form.  I stand by that.

agreed.

and agreed.
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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2008, 01:43:17 PM »

I have a growing interest in being a (maybe not for all my adult life) vegetable farmer from this thread. Earlier this month, I visited a local farm where there was a yurt out back and frogs. Of course, it was an organic farm and he explained sustainability.
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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #52 on: November 04, 2008, 01:55:22 AM »

That's 'cause farmers got other shit to worry about. 

Brittany, that's called fertilizer.   ^-^
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Re: "Social" Darwinism vs. Communism vs. Socialism vs. Capitalism
« Reply #53 on: November 04, 2008, 03:06:10 AM »

That's 'cause farmers got other shit to worry about.

Brittany, that's called fertilizer.   ^-^

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