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[85283-071]

Oh... and how's this for concrete?

If I didn't see that Fishbulb needed help, why was my question as to how she was harmed NEVER addressed?

never

Verbal dodging. More irony.

Also, I did not joke about her. Concrete.

I am starting to think you aren't real again. You can't possibly mean the words you say when you flat out refuse to answer the questions that might validate your positions.

[lentower]

wyatt

no further audience foy you

perhaps some day,
if there is never something more important to do,
i'll pm you

[85283-071]

Whether or not you PM me will be seen... but you will never address my points, publicly or privately. No audience, huh? This is a public forum, you are not impacting the presence of an audience positively or negatively. Neither do you understand the nature of my feelings regarding having an audience. If you did, you're "nanny-nanny-boo-boo" reference to it would embarrass you.

There are more important things for you to do, you say? Even with the "one word thread" gone, Len?

[muckymuck]

Omnicell (or anyone)... where was someone, reaching for help, laughed at and joked about?

fishbulb in the gf thread,

but you were incapable of giving her the help she needed

perhaps even incapable of seeing it as a situation where your help was needed

i now expect wyatt to give us lengthy verbose pseudo-philosophical words with no real content
on why i'm wrong in what i've written here

he can be quite crafty at verbal dodging

Even though I don't give my opinion often, I am well aware of what is going on around here. Fishbulb was NEVER attacked in any way in the Gerard thread. Noone was, in any way, laughed at, joked about or attacked in that thread. What thread were you in? Also, in what way was Fishbulb asking for help? She was offering advice in the thread, not asking for help.  End of story. Fishbulb left on her own, for her own reasons. Get over it, Len. Stop trying to beat it to death.
As for not wanting to give an audience, that's just a cop-out. That way, you don't have to deal with confrontations from other members of the board because the majority of us are right and you are wrong and you know it. I am so sick and tired of this no-audience-for-you bullshit. Then what the fuck is this board for if others are not able to be a part of the discussion? I think we should ban PM's!!

[preferpencil]

in response to the suicide thread, which was where i started. one person said they had tried to commit it, and had been hospitalized more than once for depression. i don't know or care if they were grabbing for attention, joking, or telling the truth...
ALL i said. yes. people have a right to talk about that subject. agreed. i thought that the subject as it was presented wasn't defined clearly, and so...

the response to the above individual was: "REALLY?" reply: what do you mean "REALLY?" reply: I mean REALLY, really? seems (excuse, i forget the verbatim)a bit incredulous to me...     NO response. Okay folks? THAT was a little scary for me and that was ALL i was trying to convey...

i would hope, as someone mentioned above, that if i signed in and said, "sorry folks. killing myself tomorrow." someone would reply to me in some way compassionate in some manner. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. although i do think there are some moral instincts required for such an instance...

i just thought the thread was partial jokes, and didn't like that particular back-and-forth between those two individuals, as asking someone whether they are being genuine when they appear serious, whether they are or not is...a feeling if ick in the base of my stomach.

when i spoke to someone about this, i agree with some of the points made: that some people (also mentioned in that thread) cut for attention. SOME PEOPLE DON'T. some people are helped by the discourse, and you can't tell if it's something funny or serious that someone says that may do that...
so agreement and yes. you can read my post about freedom of speech in here if you like. but this post is about that thread...

and i'll repeat. the mods do a fine job i think. i just feel...would have "felt" better if the particular interaction that occured didn't seem to shoo that person who admitted that away entirely. it left me wondering. and yes, we have pm's for that. but hell. i expressed my feelings and thoughts. call them irrational and whatever you like. how i feel and think is how IIIIIII feel and think--which i think everyone would agree...
we should all be allowed to express that much.
enough.
i know that thread is being watched. that makes me feel better. i'm fine. and i'm glad people who also felt a bit upset about it chimed in, as well as the people who disagree with me. you don't have to point out whether my arguments are invalid in your opinion. i really don't care what you think of the validity of my "argument" --as it wasn't an argument. it was a statement of thought and worry.

that's all it was. fine'

[85283-071]

Omnicell (or anyone)... where was someone, reaching for help, laughed at and joked about?

fishbulb in the gf thread,

but you were incapable of giving her the help she needed

perhaps even incapable of seeing it as a situation where your help was needed

i now expect wyatt to give us lengthy verbose pseudo-philosophical words with no real content
on why i'm wrong in what i've written here

he can be quite crafty at verbal dodging

Even though I don't give my opinion often, I am well aware of what is going on around here. Fishbulb was NEVER attacked in any way in the Gerard thread. Noone was, in any way, laughed at, joked about or attacked in that thread. What thread were you in? Also, in what way was Fishbulb asking for help? She was offering advice in the thread, not asking for help.  End of story. Fishbulb left on her own, for her own reasons. Get over it, Len. Stop trying to beat it to death.
As for not wanting to give an audience, that's just a cop-out. That way, you don't have to deal with confrontations from other members of the board because the majority of us are right and you are wrong and you know it. I am so sick and tired of this no-audience-for-you bullshit. Then what the fuck is this board for if others are not able to be a part of the discussion? I think we should ban PM's!!

*tips hat*

Thank you.

[T K]

Fishbulb was NEVER attacked in any way in the Gerard thread. Noone was, in any way, laughed at, joked about or attacked in that thread. 

I would disagree strongly with that statement. She was made to feel stupid and singled out, or "baited" for what she thought was a serious subject matter that she poured a little bit of her soul in to.

[Bill H]

I feel that I should address the "audience" thing.  My "no audience for you" post was in response to Wyatt's grand gesture of taking the time to call me out in video form.  I had always responded to Wyatt openly prior to that.  Had he addressed those same issues in a post I would have replied publicly to them.  The fact that he did it in such a "Look, everyone!" manner rubbed me the wrong way.  It seemed far more about using a confrontation with me to showcase his "deeply held philosophical beliefs" to everyone here (yet AGAIN) than actually talking TO me as a person.  I find that disrespectful.  It seems sometimes that Wyatt feels he is trying a supreme court case here or something and it can grow tiresome.  I believe that Wyatt has good intentions but sometimes it just gets redundant to me.  There are no life and death matters at stake here on the board, not even in the 'suicide' thread. 

Omnicell (or anyone)... where was someone, reaching for help, laughed at and joked about?

fishbulb in the gf thread,

but you were incapable of giving her the help she needed

perhaps even incapable of seeing it as a situation where your help was needed

i now expect wyatt to give us lengthy verbose pseudo-philosophical words with no real content
on why i'm wrong in what i've written here

he can be quite crafty at verbal dodging

Even though I don't give my opinion often, I am well aware of what is going on around here. Fishbulb was NEVER attacked in any way in the Gerard thread. Noone was, in any way, laughed at, joked about or attacked in that thread. What thread were you in? Also, in what way was Fishbulb asking for help? She was offering advice in the thread, not asking for help.  End of story. Fishbulb left on her own, for her own reasons. Get over it, Len. Stop trying to beat it to death.
As for not wanting to give an audience, that's just a cop-out. That way, you don't have to deal with confrontations from other members of the board because the majority of us are right and you are wrong and you know it. I am so sick and tired of this no-audience-for-you bullshit. Then what the fuck is this board for if others are not able to be a part of the discussion? I think we should ban PM's!!

[lentower]

Fishbulb was NEVER attacked in any way in the Gerard thread. Noone was, in any way, laughed at, joked about or attacked in that thread. 

I would disagree strongly with that statement. She was made to feel stupid and singled out, or "baited" for what she thought was a serious subject matter that she poured a little bit of her soul in to.

i concur strongly with twilight

and to further review, fishbulb had also been harrassed via pm on the old box by another jerk

it's sad that this forum doesn't have an effective way to deal with harrassment like this

it's sad that i'm aware of another case of harrasement via pm, and i've only been here a half-year
(not my place to bring the details into public)

it's also sad the only recourse creative sensitive souls like fishbulb have to protect themselves is to leave - something she never wanted to do

especially sad, as her presence here was appreciated by most of us, but it only takes a few jerks to ruin things

sadly, it's likely to happen again, unless the forum finds a way to deal with harrasement and jerks

wyatt is worth no consideration from me or others - he showed anti-consideration to fishbulb - baiting her and not even having the good grace to apologize

wyatt's philosophy is worthless - it leads him to this kind of cruelty

[Bill H]

It doesn't really seem fair to address Wyatt by name repeatedly in public and then to refuse to reply to him in public when he counters.  Just sayin...

It's unfortunate that fishbulb has left us and hopefully whoever else is feeling harassed via PM will get in touch with me.  Feel free to send them my way? 

Fishbulb was NEVER attacked in any way in the Gerard thread. Noone was, in any way, laughed at, joked about or attacked in that thread. 

I would disagree strongly with that statement. She was made to feel stupid and singled out, or "baited" for what she thought was a serious subject matter that she poured a little bit of her soul in to.

i concur strongly with twilight

and to further review, fishbulb had also been harrassed via pm on the old box by another jerk

it's sad that this forum doesn't have an effective way to deal with harrassment like this

it's sad that i'm aware of another case of harrasement via pm, and i've only been here a half-year
(not my place to bring the details into public)

it's also sad the only recourse creative sensitive souls like fishbulb have to protect themselves is to leave - something she never wanted to do

especially sad, as her presence here was appreciated by most of us, but it only takes a few jerks to ruin things

sadly, it's likely to happen again, unless the forum finds a way to deal with harrasement and jerks

wyatt is worth no consideration from me or others - he showed anti-consideration to fishbulb - baiting her and not even having the good grace to apologize

wyatt's philosophy is worthless - it leads him to this kind of cruelty

[The Great Ma Chao]

That post has put Len in a mother fucking paradox. Good god.

I mean, if Where's Waldo were Where's Len, it wouldn't even be hard. There wouldn't be anything to hide behind, it'd just be pages of Len's face. Dogs could win. Hell, possums could win.

[meridiansheep]

in response to the suicide thread, which was where i started. one person said they had tried to commit it, and had been hospitalized more than once for depression. i don't know or care if they were grabbing for attention, joking, or telling the truth...
ALL i said. yes. people have a right to talk about that subject. agreed. i thought that the subject as it was presented wasn't defined clearly, and so...

the response to the above individual was: "REALLY?" reply: what do you mean "REALLY?" reply: I mean REALLY, really? seems (excuse, i forget the verbatim)a bit incredulous to me...     NO response. Okay folks? THAT was a little scary for me and that was ALL i was trying to convey...

Firstly, I'd like to point that the person who responded with really, replied with "Really."
The individual replied with "REALLY really"

The conversation to me comes across as sort of
Responder - Really. Somehow I'm not buying it. And i don't care anyway.
Individual - well that's shit, I don't care if you do or don't.

I think the responder was within her... rights (unfortunate use of that word) to say that. I don't think the individual was too hurt. I don't think she cares. Although I understand that you may have been bothered by the responders response.
There were other incidents outside that thread that would probably incline the responder to think that way (as other responders replied with similar thoughts) and the responder that you speak of did continue the conversation as to why she doesn't buy what the individual said.

I really don't think there was any mockery of self-harm going on.

That's just my interpretation of the thread, and I think I have quite a good understanding of what went on. I understand that suicide is a difficult subject to discuss and some comments may appear tactless, but I just think it's not as bad as everyone has made out. We're simply stating opinions in the thread. If any mockery went on - I missed it.

[85283-071]

wyatt is worth no consideration from me or others - he showed anti-consideration to fishbulb - baiting her and not even having the good grace to apologize

wyatt's philosophy is worthless - it leads him to this kind of cruelty

You don't understand my philosophy and cannot deem it unworthy of consideration until you have considered it. I did not bait Fishbulb. You present an account of events for which you provide no supporting details. Your manner of dealing with disagreement does not seem fitting of an educated man. You have, perhaps, the poorest communication habits most counter-productive interpersonal skills of anyone that has confronted my behaviors on this forum.

You cite Twilight Tim as a person with whom you concur. Well, Tim and I have disagreed on a number of subjects, but you know what? Tim has never handled our disagreements by covering his ears and going "LALALALALALALALA" as loud as he can. He makes his points as I have made mine. Later, we find ourselves discussing benign topics like adults. Maybe it is that Tim's only motivation is that he disagrees with me... while yours, Len, is fueled by a desire to posture yourself as some sort of Shadowbox hero. Maybe you have an eye on modship... I dunno. All I can say with certainty is that you do not demonstrate the sort of neutrality and open-mindedness that it takes to be a bringer of peace or tranquility. You are a shit stirrer.

I wonder, at times, if your methods of communication are intentionallly juvenile or if, maybe, they are inadvertant. I knew a guy in D.C. who wouldtalk about government conspiriacies when others were trying to discuss parking problems. Maybe you aren't fully lucid. That would explain the conflicting state of your behavior and education.

[preferpencil]

OYYY. meridiansheep. it's okay. really. when i first posted this about the "let's talk suicide" thread. i explained, and thank you for refreshing what was actually SAID. I explained why it made me feel queasy. It still makes me feel queasy, but YES.

It doesn't constitute a personal attack. Which is the issue I addressed in the "freedom of speech vs...." thread in this same area.

I no longer fear that something awful's going to happen in there--if anyone's going to commit suicide it will be over the bullshit rippling forth out of THAT issue. ( a joke as to the continuing hubbub)

but meridiansheep. i wouldn't hold anyone accountable for what they SAY should someone be so desperate as to take their life from reading it. HOWEVER. what i said at the very beginning remains true. it simply made me feel that whether the speaker was serious or not...the response was also with or without intent-- seemingly lacking in empathy. Doesn't mean it's not allowed. I just wanted to let the mods know that the thread was there, it IS NOT delineated well as to whether people are joking around or being serious. As such, it makes me feel a little freaked about it. That's all. And it's okay for people to say what they want, as long as it isn't a personal attack.

See other thread for my opinion on that. Thank you for refreshing my memory on what the actual dialogue was, though. I respect what you're saying...please just respect that at that moment...it made me feel "oh. shit." So. I posted in here, and probably prematurely. I'm certainly not as frightened about the suicide thread as I am about the difficulty in getting people to understand one another, as the "i can say whatever i want" debate continues to spin out of control.

[meridiansheep]

OYYY. meridiansheep. it's okay. really. when i first posted this about the "let's talk suicide" thread. i explained, and thank you for refreshing what was actually SAID. I explained why it made me feel queasy. It still makes me feel queasy, but YES.

It doesn't constitute a personal attack. Which is the issue I addressed in the "freedom of speech vs...." thread in this same area.

I no longer fear that something awful's going to happen in there--if anyone's going to commit suicide it will be over the bullshit rippling forth out of THAT issue. ( a joke as to the continuing hubbub)

but meridiansheep. i wouldn't hold anyone accountable for what they SAY should someone be so desperate as to take their life from reading it. HOWEVER. what i said at the very beginning remains true. it simply made me feel that whether the speaker was serious or not...the response was also with or without intent-- seemingly lacking in empathy. Doesn't mean it's not allowed. I just wanted to let the mods know that the thread was there, it IS NOT delineated well as to whether people are joking around or being serious. As such, it makes me feel a little freaked about it. That's all. And it's okay for people to say what they want, as long as it isn't a personal attack.

See other thread for my opinion on that. Thank you for refreshing my memory on what the actual dialogue was, though. I respect what you're saying...please just respect that at that moment...it made me feel "oh. shit." So. I posted in here, and probably prematurely. I'm certainly not as frightened about the suicide thread as I am about the difficulty in getting people to understand one another, as the "i can say whatever i want" debate continues to spin out of control.

I'm a perfectionist - everything has to be correct.

I apologise if you already mentioned it in the "freedom of speech vs...". I glanced over that thread as I didn't really want to get involved in yet another thread of that nature.

It was sensible for you to get somebody to keep an eye on it, Some sensitive soul not accustomed to the nature of the shadowbox may have had her soul torn by a comment of that nature. This is where the "lurk before posting so you can get used to the nature" advice comes in. I just think that some people are getting abit touchy about what goes on. Saying it has become a humourous funny thread or whatnot (I know it wasn't you that said that) is really inaccurate.

I don't even think the suicide thread is even active anymore,anyway. I've not had notification of a new post being posted since the whole fart-nugget conversation began. Derailing one of the most interesting threads on here, but hey - Shit happens and I have no issue with derailment.

The current issue where some are arguing about whether the board is gaining anything from the "lovefests" is an interesting one. I stand by the belief that intelligent, sensible posts (that have purpose. Many posts are flung around  that are pointless. Hell - whole threads are started and really, what was said could have easily gone into the random thought thread) are the only way to see progress. Huge bitchfests aren't exactly productive,either.