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Taken from: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1154902/Fight-terror-mean-end-ordinary-peoples-privacy-says-ex-security-chief.html

Fight against terror must mean the end of ordinary people's privacy, says ex-security chief

By Tamara Cohen
Last updated at 11:09 AM on 25th February 2009

Farewell privacy: Sir David Omand says the Government needs Big Brother powers

Personal data of innocent citizens must be made available to the Government to combat terrorism, according to an influential former security chief.
Sir David Omand, Whitehall's former and security and intelligence coordinator, called for unprecedented Big Brother powers to allow access to private details - including phone records, emails and travel information - to be given to the intelligence services. Setting out a hugely controversial blueprint for the future of national security  he said 'moral rules' about individual privacy would have to be broken. His 17-page report calls for the creation of a vast state database to gather information about terrorist groups which are increasingly recruiting and operating online. But he argued that a citizen's right to privacy would have to be sacrificed to allow 'intrusive' intelligence techniques. 'Finding out other people's secrets is going to involve breaking everyday moral rules', he wrote. 'This is personal information about individuals that resides in databases, such as advance passenger information, airline bookings and other travel data, passport and biometric data, immigration, identity and border records, criminal records,and other governmental and private sector data, including financial and telephone and other communications records.' 'Modern intelligence access will often involve intrusive methods of surveillance and investigation, accepting that, in some respects, this may have to be at the expense of some aspects of privacy rights.'

The paper 'National Security Strategy and Implication for the UK Intelligence Community' was published last week by the influential New Labour think tank, the Institute of Public Policy Research. Sir Omand left the senior civil service in 2005 but his views still hold great sway in the corridors of power. He added:  'This is a hard choice and goes against current calls to curb the so-called surveillance society - but it is greatly preferable to tinkering with the rule of law, or derogating from fundamental human rights. 'Being able to demonstrate proper legal authorisation and appropriate oversight of the use of such intrusive intelligence activity may become a major future issue for the intelligence community, if the public at large is to be convinced of the desirability of such intelligence capability' Sir Omand said such information maybe held in national records,covered by Data Protection legislation, but it might also be held offshore by other nations or by global companies. 'Access to such information...might well be the key to effective pre-emption in future terrorist cases. 'Such sources have always been accessible to traditional law enforcement seeking evidence against a named suspect already justified by reasonable suspicion of having committed a crime.' 'However, application of modern data mining and processing techniques does involve examination of the innocent as well as the suspect to identify patterns of interest for further investigation'


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Re: "Fight against terror must mean the end of ordinary people's privacy"
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2009, 04:21:44 PM »

Pure bullshit. Terrorism = organized crime - no more, no less.

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Re: "Fight against terror must mean the end of ordinary people's privacy"
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2009, 01:24:32 AM »

Didn't the same office use the same argument in re the IRA about 30 years ago,
to justify putting a surveillance camera on every other lamp-post in London?

Anyway, it's a starting point for haggling about the issue...
They say they need everyone's most personal information in a giant eaasy-to-access database...
The opposition says no threat is worth the slightest intrusion without specific probable cause...

They argue about it, eventually settling somewhere around a middle ground where the government may
more  easily  get  permission to tap phones, sift through trash, and generally spy on any individual they
think might be a potential threat, even if the tip comes from a telephone psychic (as long as she wasn't
paid with a government credit card).
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Re: "Fight against terror must mean the end of ordinary people's privacy"
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2009, 02:18:36 AM »

from the governmenrt point of view, the ideal situation is where the masses are all tagged and monitored.....
any excuse to try to make it a reality
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Re: "Fight against terror must mean the end of ordinary people's privacy"
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2009, 12:41:19 PM »

from the governmenrt point of view, the ideal situation is where the masses are all tagged and monitored.....
any excuse to try to make it a reality
The Last Enemy

PBS carried this here, and I didn't watch it...

Was it any good?
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Re: "Fight against terror must mean the end of ordinary people's privacy"
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2009, 11:42:02 AM »

I'd rather die as a victim of a terrorist attack than live in a police state.
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Re: "Fight against terror must mean the end of ordinary people's privacy"
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2009, 01:06:56 PM »

I'd rather die as a victim of a terrorist attack than live in a police state.

...especially since one is far more likely to be struck by lightning that to die in such an attack.

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