Topic: /Move along (Read 2754 times)

Astica · « **Reply #1 on:** June 05, 2009, 07:51:26 AM »

*Wanders up to Alyss*
*Hugs him*
*Walks away again*

I got nothing to say to this thread.

marie_x · « **Reply #2 on:** June 05, 2009, 09:10:39 AM »

Win.

yosmark · « **Reply #3 on:** June 05, 2009, 09:19:35 AM »

^Your avatar is made of win.

marie_x · « **Reply #4 on:** June 05, 2009, 09:27:01 AM »

Quote from: yosmark on June 05, 2009, 09:19:35 AM

^Your avatar is made of win.

Thank you very much.

MerelyMarquis · « **Reply #5 on:** June 05, 2009, 10:31:47 AM »

I approve of this thread and all going ons in this thread, including the Camille has an awesome icon statement.

That is all.

hateandjealousy · « **Reply #6 on:** June 05, 2009, 11:53:34 AM »

where is Ferg he hasn't been around for a while.

MerelyMarquis · « **Reply #7 on:** June 05, 2009, 12:27:58 PM »

He was on for a while yesterday.

CeeGBee · « **Reply #8 on:** June 05, 2009, 07:22:57 PM »

Fergie doesn't suck all of the time...

MerelyMarquis · « **Reply #9 on:** June 05, 2009, 08:35:33 PM »

Quote from: CeeGBee on June 05, 2009, 07:22:57 PM

Fergie doesn't suck all of the time...

No, she's does because she can't sing for shit but Fergus is pretty cool.

imaginary friend · « **Reply #10 on:** June 05, 2009, 09:19:15 PM »

#@!

Cirque · « **Reply #11 on:** June 05, 2009, 09:33:46 PM »

Quote from: CeeGBee on June 05, 2009, 07:22:57 PM

Fergie doesn't suck all of the time...

Not when she's peeing behind an amp

caddy · « **Reply #12 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:28:09 AM »

I stand by my right to defend Ferg here and thar. I'd rape him on a late Saturday night if I were a big, burly male with a gun, and a stocking over my face. And he'd take every inch of it. Every single inch.

Wait...I should be directing that comment towards Sethiecakes.

I miss my Sethiecakes.

Where's the Sethie Is Awesome thread?

CeeGBee · « **Reply #13 on:** June 06, 2009, 12:12:16 PM »

Quote from: caddy on June 06, 2009, 03:28:09 AM

I stand by my right to defend Ferg here and thar. I'd rape him on a late Saturday night if I were a big, burly male with a gun, and a stocking over my face. And he'd take every inch of it. Every single inch.

Wait...I should be directing that comment towards Sethiecakes.

I miss my Sethiecakes.

Where's the Sethie Is Awesome thread?

...old board.

marie_x · « **Reply #14 on:** June 13, 2009, 05:13:23 PM »

I'm still waiting for the Camille Appreciation Thread

caddy · « **Reply #15 on:** June 13, 2009, 06:15:34 PM »

Quote from: Camille on June 13, 2009, 05:13:23 PM

I'm still waiting for the Camille Appreciation Thread

then go make it.

marie_x · « **Reply #16 on:** June 13, 2009, 06:21:26 PM »

Quote from: caddy on June 13, 2009, 06:15:34 PM

Quote from: Camille on June 13, 2009, 05:13:23 PM
I'm still waiting for the Camille Appreciation Thread

then go make it.

I cant make my own, lol I'll feel weirdly conceited .

Alyss · « **Reply #17 on:** June 13, 2009, 08:29:14 PM »

Huh. You know, I'm too surprised by this even to troll it. Wtf.

Mockery · « **Reply #18 on:** June 18, 2009, 03:05:09 PM »

Where is my gun? Oh here it is! *cocks her rifle* Oh Alyssssssssssssss

Alyss · « **Reply #19 on:** June 25, 2009, 07:39:58 PM »

What do you want, whore-lips?

anotfrombamagrl · « **Reply #20 on:** July 22, 2009, 01:41:40 AM »

Look here. I'm adding my own two sense in. All of you amuse me. Even I amuse me now, because I have felt it worth my time to post, and this makes me laugh outragously at myself.

He so wins. Even if he gets deleted. The more you try to delete him. If no one mentioned the annoying things, it would get old. Jeez folks, if I see its a repeat I just ignore him.And do you know what??? It takes none of my time to do this! Amazin!

You all Feed Off Each Other! You need him to be annoying as much as he needs you to keep responding.

Do you know why he hasn't been deleted. You all form this perfect little symbiotic relationship! AND When Alyss isn't being fucking just moronicly annoying he has standards that he sticks by, has goals, is quite charming. Rather intelligent. Writes with room for improvement but has moments that shine through, like any author, and is playing a fucking brilliant pyschological experiment out right here. I like the few times Alyss has actually engaged in conversation. He's worth the talk. It happens when you don't get particularly riled up at him. He rarely loses his cool with any one here. Maybe you could learn a thing or two from Alyss about yourselves. How you choose to let things that dont matter affect your life? The big things must be unbearable that way. How to be patient. And when to remain silent. He's quite good at that. A number of things.

I dont know you or you or you or you or anyone else on here really. I think I'm done for the night now that I've gotten sucked in. I came after the past, before the future, and live the moment I have now. Will it matter in five years, really decides alot for me. Will Alyss's annoying shit? No. Not at bit,
A possible insight from any one of you, including Alyss, could be priceless in 5 years.

Goodnight Shadowbox.

<cross posted from some other thread where everyone was once again getting worked up about something Alyss had done that was really nothing more than a blip. Then I found this. I thought it should be here>

Andy Pants · « **Reply #21 on:** July 22, 2009, 02:10:54 AM »

Quote from: anotfrombamagrl on July 22, 2009, 01:41:40 AM

Look here. I'm adding my own two sense in. All of you amuse me. Even I amuse me now, because I have felt it worth my time to post, and this makes me laugh outragously at myself.

He so wins. Even if he gets deleted. The more you try to delete him. If no one mentioned the annoying things, it would get old. Jeez folks, if I see its a repeat I just ignore him.And do you know what??? It takes none of my time to do this! Amazin!

You all Feed Off Each Other! You need him to be annoying as much as he needs you to keep responding.

Do you know why he hasn't been deleted. You all form this perfect little symbiotic relationship! AND When Alyss isn't being fucking just moronicly annoying he has standards that he sticks by, has goals, is quite charming. Rather intelligent. Writes with room for improvement but has moments that shine through, like any author, and is playing a fucking brilliant pyschological experiment out right here. I like the few times Alyss has actually engaged in conversation. He's worth the talk. It happens when you don't get particularly riled up at him. He rarely loses his cool with any one here. Maybe you could learn a thing or two from Alyss about yourselves. How you choose to let things that dont matter affect your life? The big things must be unbearable that way. How to be patient. And when to remain silent. He's quite good at that. A number of things.

I dont know you or you or you or you or anyone else on here really. I think I'm done for the night now that I've gotten sucked in. I came after the past, before the future, and live the moment I have now. Will it matter in five years, really decides alot for me. Will Alyss's annoying shit? No. Not at bit,
A possible insight from any one of you, including Alyss, could be priceless in 5 years.

Goodnight Shadowbox.

<cross posted from some other thread where everyone was once again getting worked up about something Alyss had done that was really nothing more than a blip. Then I found this. I thought it should be here>

Get fucked.

anotfrombamagrl · « **Reply #22 on:** July 22, 2009, 02:16:58 AM »

Quote from: PunkRocker1989 on July 22, 2009, 02:10:54 AM

Quote from: anotfrombamagrl on July 22, 2009, 01:41:40 AM
Look here. I'm adding my own two sense in. All of you amuse me. Even I amuse me now, because I have felt it worth my time to post, and this makes me laugh outragously at myself.

He so wins. Even if he gets deleted. The more you try to delete him. If no one mentioned the annoying things, it would get old. Jeez folks, if I see its a repeat I just ignore him.And do you know what??? It takes none of my time to do this! Amazin!

You all Feed Off Each Other! You need him to be annoying as much as he needs you to keep responding.

Do you know why he hasn't been deleted. You all form this perfect little symbiotic relationship! AND When Alyss isn't being fucking just moronicly annoying he has standards that he sticks by, has goals, is quite charming. Rather intelligent. Writes with room for improvement but has moments that shine through, like any author, and is playing a fucking brilliant pyschological experiment out right here. I like the few times Alyss has actually engaged in conversation. He's worth the talk. It happens when you don't get particularly riled up at him. He rarely loses his cool with any one here. Maybe you could learn a thing or two from Alyss about yourselves. How you choose to let things that dont matter affect your life? The big things must be unbearable that way. How to be patient. And when to remain silent. He's quite good at that. A number of things.

I dont know you or you or you or you or anyone else on here really. I think I'm done for the night now that I've gotten sucked in. I came after the past, before the future, and live the moment I have now. Will it matter in five years, really decides alot for me. Will Alyss's annoying shit? No. Not at bit,
A possible insight from any one of you, including Alyss, could be priceless in 5 years.

Goodnight Shadowbox.

<cross posted from some other thread where everyone was once again getting worked up about something Alyss had done that was really nothing more than a blip. Then I found this. I thought it should be here>

Get fucked.

I wish I could mate, but it'll be next year before thats likely to happen, or at least End of Aug (but it doesnt look like thats workin out)

You haven't seen needing to get fucked yet. Give me another month of partner being on the road.

Andy Pants · « **Reply #23 on:** July 22, 2009, 03:34:02 AM »

Quote from: anotfrombamagrl on July 22, 2009, 02:16:58 AM

Quote from: PunkRocker1989 on July 22, 2009, 02:10:54 AM
Quote from: anotfrombamagrl on July 22, 2009, 01:41:40 AM
Look here. I'm adding my own two sense in. All of you amuse me. Even I amuse me now, because I have felt it worth my time to post, and this makes me laugh outragously at myself.

He so wins. Even if he gets deleted. The more you try to delete him. If no one mentioned the annoying things, it would get old. Jeez folks, if I see its a repeat I just ignore him.And do you know what??? It takes none of my time to do this! Amazin!

You all Feed Off Each Other! You need him to be annoying as much as he needs you to keep responding.

Do you know why he hasn't been deleted. You all form this perfect little symbiotic relationship! AND When Alyss isn't being fucking just moronicly annoying he has standards that he sticks by, has goals, is quite charming. Rather intelligent. Writes with room for improvement but has moments that shine through, like any author, and is playing a fucking brilliant pyschological experiment out right here. I like the few times Alyss has actually engaged in conversation. He's worth the talk. It happens when you don't get particularly riled up at him. He rarely loses his cool with any one here. Maybe you could learn a thing or two from Alyss about yourselves. How you choose to let things that dont matter affect your life? The big things must be unbearable that way. How to be patient. And when to remain silent. He's quite good at that. A number of things.

I dont know you or you or you or you or anyone else on here really. I think I'm done for the night now that I've gotten sucked in. I came after the past, before the future, and live the moment I have now. Will it matter in five years, really decides alot for me. Will Alyss's annoying shit? No. Not at bit,
A possible insight from any one of you, including Alyss, could be priceless in 5 years.

Goodnight Shadowbox.

<cross posted from some other thread where everyone was once again getting worked up about something Alyss had done that was really nothing more than a blip. Then I found this. I thought it should be here>

Get fucked.

I wish I could mate, but it'll be next year before thats likely to happen, or at least End of Aug (but it doesnt look like thats workin out)

You haven't seen needing to get fucked yet. Give me another month of partner being on the road.

So, were you just making these arguments these arguments to be contrarian or is there something seriously wrong with you? Insight? What fucking insight? He was just a whiny little bitch who wanted attention. Unfortunately he couldn't just complain about things like many others sometimes do on this forum, he had to be a jerk and annoy provoke and even occasionally try to intentionally hurt people. Symbiotic my arse, that's not a symbiotic relationship, that's a fucking parasitic relationship, he was a parasite. Sociopaths are incapable of offering any insight into anything, only pursuing their own means to self-gratification, in this case, provoking other people for attention. Nothing he did was clever nor smart, it required no more intelligence than that which was necessary to set up a new forum account. I may have only been here for a few months but in that time I didn't see him or his characters contribute anything of value to any discussion. None of these characters lead me to believe that he was clever or creative in any way, as a matter of fact I think he was a fucking idiot, not some Machiavellian trickster, not some great character actor, not some brilliant writer and social commentator with insight into any aspect of human psychology, just an ordinary run of the mill fuckwit. Behaviour like this shouldn't have to be ignored when it becomes belligerant. Basic tolerance extends to ignoring people when they behave in a way that annoys you, but only when that person isn't breaking the rules of the place in which they choose to be disruptive, if they do so the moderators have every right to ban them permanently. He was given plently of warnings apparently, so this wasn't entirely uncalled for. I'm probably not the most informed person to argue with you about this but I want nothing less than the ban on that unpleasant little asshole to ever be lifted.

Andy Pants · « **Reply #24 on:** July 22, 2009, 06:33:32 AM »

Just realised that post was very angry and may not have sounded as clear as it could have, but this is something that really pisses me off, so I'll give you a more clear-headed response. You need to understand that there are two kinds of people who are attracted to the music we all like and share a common interest in, two extremes. There are the empowered people, the ones who define themselves as not fitting the dominant cultural standards of sexuality or whatever else who are uber-confident and have a tough-skin and then there are the people with particularly low self-esteem who don't. The empowered people on this board seem to forget about the other half. You might find ironic personal attacks and this particularly nasty kind of humour funny, but there are plenty of people here who don't. It's really easy to say 'who cares' 'just blow it off' 'why worry about things that don't matter' because it's really easy for you to do that, but maybe it's not as easy for you as it is for other people, some people do care when people are annoying, provoking or being nasty to them, acknowledging that is called common courtesy and I do think there should be a general standard for this encouraged on this forum. The few times I remember Fergus saying something that wasn't simply an attempt at being inane and annoying he was being a dick to someone, so I say good riddance.

marie_x · « **Reply #25 on:** July 22, 2009, 06:48:33 AM »

This doesn't all have to be a fucking war!

We're people, a community, if you will, not some statistical black-and-white thing where either you're confident or inconfident or pro-Fergus or anti-Fergus. The only thing we ALL have in common is that we like the same music. Not even all music, but we all have a mutual interest in this same band, or even person. The Dresden Dolls and Amanda Palmer. So, naturally, there would be some conflict, but this is turning into a ridiculous thing.

This is a community. Not a war. We shouldn't be here to hate anyone-- even Fergus. We should be able to express our opinions, but we shouldn't judge each other on these opinions.

None of this is coming out how it should and I will probably delete or revise it sometime soon, ....and I only have one last thing to say, and that's ignore this post.
No, really. Just ignore it.

Andy Pants · « **Reply #26 on:** July 22, 2009, 06:58:51 AM »

Quote from: Camille on July 22, 2009, 06:48:33 AM

We shouldn't be here to hate anyone-- even Fergus. We should be able to express our opinions, but we shouldn't judge each other on these opinions.

Sorry, I'm going to go ahead and continue hating him anyway, he was (and in all likelihood remains) a dick.

anotfrombamagrl · « **Reply #27 on:** July 22, 2009, 11:14:45 AM »

I understand everybodies point. But the people in control, cannot get rid of some one because some members of a community can't let him be ignored. Its humanity for crissake. We dont shoot the annoying kid in class. We carry on with our lives, some better than others. Reality isn't going to be suspended because we are typing instead of talking, choosing to log in instead of being forced to attend. So long as you provoke him, or feed his game, and he responds exactly like you expect him to, and you get angry because he did exactly what you thought he'd do.......It doesn't make alot of sense to me.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. You are all playing the game perfectly on this one.

Everyone has something to contribute. Everyone. I dont care either way. I love this forum because its ok to disagree with a lot of you here, and most can sit and talk, and clearly write out points. Its a great way to broaden your own mind. I don't like boxed in thinking.....
I could really care less concerning his staying or going. I am not a fan. But, from an univovled perspective, both sides of this little war are guilty. Make a topic post.
A petition if you are that very serious. If its all that bad here. I do after all take long breaks. I dont know all that goes on.

Have every shadowboxer who wants Alyss gone sign it.

In order to sign it, you must leave a personal statement as to what he has done to personally effect your life so bad.

Power of the community. If enough REAL reasons show up......then action would have to be taken I assume.

marie_x · « **Reply #28 on:** July 22, 2009, 12:38:35 PM »

Quote

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Isn't that from a Regina Spektor song, just in different words? mhm

anotfrombamagrl · « **Reply #29 on:** July 22, 2009, 04:18:28 PM »

I

Quote from: Camille on July 22, 2009, 12:38:35 PM

Quote
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Isn't that from a Regina Spektor song, just in different words? mhm

Its actually a quote by Einstein.

marie_x · « **Reply #30 on:** July 22, 2009, 06:03:19 PM »

Quote from: anotfrombamagrl on July 22, 2009, 04:18:28 PM

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Quote from: Camille on July 22, 2009, 12:38:35 PM
Quote
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Isn't that from a Regina Spektor song, just in different words? mhm

Its actually a quote by Einstein.

oh.. sorry, the song "i cut off my hair" has the line "the definition of a crazy person is someone who does the same thing over and over expecting different results" or something of the like

CeeGBee · « **Reply #31 on:** July 22, 2009, 06:40:44 PM »

Quote from: Camille on July 22, 2009, 06:03:19 PM

Quote from: anotfrombamagrl on July 22, 2009, 04:18:28 PM
I
Quote from: Camille on July 22, 2009, 12:38:35 PM
Quote
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Isn't that from a Regina Spektor song, just in different words? mhm

Its actually a quote by Einstein.

oh.. sorry, the song "i cut off my hair" has the line "the definition of a crazy person is someone who does the same thing over and over expecting different results" or something of the like

Well obv one would have to be a complete idiot to quote Einstein...

...or to read a line like that from Regina S and not instantly recognize it as the words of
an old physicist...

Oh wait... no... $:-\$

Haushinka · « **Reply #32 on:** July 22, 2009, 08:19:57 PM »

Whoever brought up this thread is an idiot. He's gone. Old news. Why bring up an old thread just to communicate your smugness at not being annoyed by him?

I'm happy for you and your delightful insightfulness.

lentower · « **Reply #33 on:** July 22, 2009, 08:31:22 PM »

perhaps this thread should be retitled

the ALYSS memorial thread

i miss him here on the sbox

BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! · « **Reply #34 on:** July 22, 2009, 09:31:51 PM »

Quote from: lentower on July 22, 2009, 08:31:22 PM

perhaps this thread should be retitled

the ALYSS memorial thread

i miss him here on the sbox

Quote from: Bill H

If we wanted to hear from them, they wouldn't be banned. PM if you must, but there will be no "In Memory Of" type threads.

yosmark · « **Reply #35 on:** July 22, 2009, 10:01:40 PM »

Quote from: Jesse on July 22, 2009, 09:31:51 PM

Quote from: lentower on July 22, 2009, 08:31:22 PM
perhaps this thread should be retitled

the ALYSS memorial thread

i miss him here on the sbox

Quote from: Bill H
If we wanted to hear from them, they wouldn't be banned. PM if you must, but there will be no "In Memory Of" type threads.

EPIC PWNAGE!

anotfrombamagrl · « **Reply #36 on:** July 22, 2009, 10:56:40 PM »

I would like to state, that I was not aware it was a moot issue. Or I wouldn't have brought it up. It was not meant as a smuggness thing at all. It was my first time back on the box in a couple weeks, and within minutes I just came across another Alyss issue, and it burned me, that instead of just skipping over his annoying post, I have to read pages of Alyss warfare. It was more of a question as to why it WAS such an issue.

I guess for me, having been the victim of Alyss type people and worse for a good portion of my younger years, I got tired of letting other people have that much effect over my life and emotions. I've spent more time on this subject than I ever intended too...

I was/am not attempting a higher than though post. I just get heart broken to see that many people get that bent out of shape by something insignificant. Its my way of viewing the world I guess. I'm definatly not perfect and I don't have shit anywhere near right. So dont put tooo much stock in it guys.

Quote from: CeeGBee on July 22, 2009, 06:40:44 PM

Quote from: Camille on July 22, 2009, 06:03:19 PM
Quote from: anotfrombamagrl on July 22, 2009, 04:18:28 PM
I
Quote from: Camille on July 22, 2009, 12:38:35 PM
Quote
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Isn't that from a Regina Spektor song, just in different words? mhm

Its actually a quote by Einstein.

oh.. sorry, the song "i cut off my hair" has the line "the definition of a crazy person is someone who does the same thing over and over expecting different results" or something of the like
Well obv one would have to be a complete idiot to quote Einstein...

...or to read a line like that from Regina S and not instantly recognize it as the words of
an old physicist...

Oh wait... no... $:-\$

LMAO.

I am glad Regina put it into her own words and in a song. I came upon it obscurely one night ten years or so back, I think it headed a chapter in a book or something. I've carried it with me as a little reminder now since freshman year of highschool. It is the first thing I ever decorate my work/living space with. Its a great quote.

But jeez, if I had to tell you how many times I've had to say where it actually came from, shit, If I had a dollar, I might have fifty by now.
I just like it. It fits for a lot of things. And it serves me well in life.

CeeGBee · « **Reply #37 on:** July 22, 2009, 10:57:00 PM »

Quote from: yosmark on July 22, 2009, 10:01:40 PM

Quote from: Jesse on July 22, 2009, 09:31:51 PM
Quote from: lentower on July 22, 2009, 08:31:22 PM
perhaps this thread should be retitled

the ALYSS memorial thread

i miss him here on the sbox

Quote from: Bill H
If we wanted to hear from them, they wouldn't be banned. PM if you must, but there will be no "In Memory Of" type threads.

This raises an interesting question of the editorial intent and discretion of our admins/mods:
It has been decreed that such a thread shall not be created, but it seems that an existing thread
has become to some extent a shrine to martyred Alyss, complete with heretics and a grey-bearded
high priest...

I must think on this.

fixed...

Andy Pants · « **Reply #38 on:** July 22, 2009, 11:16:46 PM »

Quote from: anotfrombamagrl on July 22, 2009, 11:14:45 AM

I understand everybodies point. But the people in control, cannot get rid of some one because some members of a community can't let him be ignored. Its humanity for crissake. We dont shoot the annoying kid in class. We carry on with our lives, some better than others. Reality isn't going to be suspended because we are typing instead of talking, choosing to log in instead of being forced to attend. So long as you provoke him, or feed his game, and he responds exactly like you expect him to, and you get angry because he did exactly what you thought he'd do.......It doesn't make alot of sense to me.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. You are all playing the game perfectly on this one.

Everyone has something to contribute. Everyone. I dont care either way. I love this forum because its ok to disagree with a lot of you here, and most can sit and talk, and clearly write out points. Its a great way to broaden your own mind. I don't like boxed in thinking.....
I could really care less concerning his staying or going. I am not a fan. But, from an univovled perspective, both sides of this little war are guilty. Make a topic post.
A petition if you are that very serious. If its all that bad here. I do after all take long breaks. I dont know all that goes on.

Have every shadowboxer who wants Alyss gone sign it.

In order to sign it, you must leave a personal statement as to what he has done to personally effect your life so bad.

Power of the community. If enough REAL reasons show up......then action would have to be taken I assume.

I think my views on this are fairly well articulated, he wasn't just being disruptive, he repeatedly broke the rules of the place in which he was being disruptive. You tolerate a little kid yelling in a supermarket or an annoying kid in class, but if that kid starts breaking things and harassing people, the relevant authority gives them adequate warnings and then kicks them out and it's their choice as to whether they permanently ban them. Usually they'll talk to the childs guardian, but in this case the offender was a grown ass man and as such should have known better. You don't have to get everyone in the class or in the supermarket to sign a petition, that's a waste of time and entirely irrelevant.

yosmark · « **Reply #39 on:** July 22, 2009, 11:33:54 PM »

Quote from: CeeGBee on July 22, 2009, 10:57:00 PM

Quote from: yosmark on July 22, 2009, 10:01:40 PM
Quote from: Jesse on July 22, 2009, 09:31:51 PM
Quote from: lentower on July 22, 2009, 08:31:22 PM
perhaps this thread should be retitled

the ALYSS memorial thread

i miss him here on the sbox

Quote from: Bill H
If we wanted to hear from them, they wouldn't be banned. PM if you must, but there will be no "In Memory Of" type threads.

This raises an interesting question of the editorial intent and discretion of our admins/mods:
It has been decreed that such a thread shall not be created, but it seems that an existing thread
has become to some extent a shrine to martyred Alyss, complete with heretics and a grey-bearded
high priest...

I must think on this.
fixed...

Oh SHUD UP!

... this is my second shud up of the night I must be doing something wrong.

anotfrombamagrl · « **Reply #40 on:** July 22, 2009, 11:34:17 PM »

I WOULD LOVE TO MOVE THIS OFF ALYSS.
This is more in general to why I disagree with the theory in just this post, not the situation it arose from.

Quote from: PunkRocker1989 on July 22, 2009, 11:16:46 PM

I think my views on this are fairly well articulated, he wasn't just being disruptive, he repeatedly broke the rules of the place in which he was being disruptive. You tolerate a little kid yelling in a supermarket or an annoying kid in class, but if that kid starts breaking things and harassing people, the relevant authority gives them adequate warnings and then kicks them out and it's their choice as to whether they permanently ban them. Usually they'll talk to the childs guardian, but in this case the offender was a grown ass man and as such should have known better. You don't have to get everyone in the class or in the supermarket to sign a petition, that's a waste of time and entirely irrelevant.
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Yes, thats generally the case. But the people in charge. The teachers, moderators, have a hard time doing their job with the one problem child, when the rest of the class feels the need to get involved. Its hard to sort out the facts. The emotions. The underlying cause. The source even.

If a community, school, group of people have a strong problem with a person, instead of bitching and making war every time it happens, collectively the group or community should approach the people in charge as a unified front with coherent reasons.

My idea of a petition, was just that. Present the people who have to do something a coherent list of why this makes everyone's life unbearable as a community. The other best option is to sit back and let the people who can actually handle these things, handle these things.

It was an idea that was a mean to an end, because the only other ideas I saw were Over and Over a) Fight with him, b) just hope they do something in time. Not gonna sccomplish alot, if the situation meant as much to all of you as it seemed.

As adults ourselves, or damn close to it for most of us, to logically approach the people in charge as a collective whole with well listed reasons, because the situation was not being dealt with at a level satifactory to those involved and felt they had a stake in it. Is to me, the only thing that would have probably gotten the issue seen to sooner.

BATTEREDxBRIDExLUVR! · « **Reply #41 on:** July 22, 2009, 11:53:43 PM »

it baffles me that this discussion continues. alyss didn't contribute anything to the forum. i can't understand anything to the contrary. it's bullshit. how can you say you miss him here? he was mean to people and was a troll who didn't do anything but beg for sympathy so he could abuse people. there is NOTHING GOOD that can come from him being there, and i believe in that so much. do people want controversy and obnoxiousness? it's fucking bullshit. i don't agree with the ridiculous overanalysis of this. alyss = troll. it's that easy.

Andy Pants · « **Reply #42 on:** July 23, 2009, 12:08:49 AM »

Quote from: anotfrombamagrl on July 22, 2009, 11:34:17 PM

I WOULD LOVE TO MOVE THIS OFF ALYSS.
This is more in general to why I disagree with the theory in just this post, not the situation it arose from.

Quote from: PunkRocker1989 on July 22, 2009, 11:16:46 PM

I think my views on this are fairly well articulated, he wasn't just being disruptive, he repeatedly broke the rules of the place in which he was being disruptive. You tolerate a little kid yelling in a supermarket or an annoying kid in class, but if that kid starts breaking things and harassing people, the relevant authority gives them adequate warnings and then kicks them out and it's their choice as to whether they permanently ban them. Usually they'll talk to the childs guardian, but in this case the offender was a grown ass man and as such should have known better. You don't have to get everyone in the class or in the supermarket to sign a petition, that's a waste of time and entirely irrelevant.

The other best option is to sit back and let the people who can actually handle these things, handle these things.

But I think that's what we have done. He was perpeptually annoying, some people got upset, some people complained and then Beth dealt with it. That's all there really was to it. This place has moderators like any other forum because we can't always collectively come to a unanimous decision, sometimes we need a higher authority to handle these things. I was never gunning for Fergus to be removed permanently, I didn't make a fuss when he acted like a dick or did something upsetting to someone, I accept that all communities are going to have people that not everyone is going to like, but now that he's gone I don't think there's any good reason to question Beths decision.

And I think I'll leave it at that because as others have noted it's not really an issue which requires any further analysis. The only reason why I'm arguing with you about this is because I have the kind of personality that requires me to argue with people about things that don't really matter, and I dislike people with uber-antagonistic personality-type of the person in question, and also I'm a little bored.

anotfrombamagrl · « **Reply #43 on:** July 23, 2009, 12:56:40 AM »

Quote from: PunkRocker1989 on July 23, 2009, 12:08:49 AM

Quote from: anotfrombamagrl on July 22, 2009, 11:34:17 PM
I WOULD LOVE TO MOVE THIS OFF ALYSS.
This is more in general to why I disagree with the theory in just this post, not the situation it arose from.

Quote from: PunkRocker1989 on July 22, 2009, 11:16:46 PM

I think my views on this are fairly well articulated, he wasn't just being disruptive, he repeatedly broke the rules of the place in which he was being disruptive. You tolerate a little kid yelling in a supermarket or an annoying kid in class, but if that kid starts breaking things and harassing people, the relevant authority gives them adequate warnings and then kicks them out and it's their choice as to whether they permanently ban them. Usually they'll talk to the childs guardian, but in this case the offender was a grown ass man and as such should have known better. You don't have to get everyone in the class or in the supermarket to sign a petition, that's a waste of time and entirely irrelevant.

The other best option is to sit back and let the people who can actually handle these things, handle these things.

But I think that's what we have done. He was perpeptually annoying, some people got upset, some people complained and then Beth dealt with it. That's all there really was to it. This place has moderators like any other forum because we can't always collectively come to a unanimous decision, sometimes we need a higher authority to handle these things. I was never gunning for Fergus to be removed permanently, I didn't make a fuss when he acted like a dick or did something upsetting to someone, I accept that all communities are going to have people that not everyone is going to like, but now that he's gone I don't think there's any good reason to question Beths decision.

And I think I'll leave it at that because as others have noted it's not really an issue which requires any further analysis. The only reason why I'm arguing with you about this is because I have the kind of personality that requires me to argue with people about things that don't really matter, and I dislike people with uber-antagonistic personality-type of the person in question, and also I'm a little bored.

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I've really got nothing at this point. The situation was handled here, and thats all that matters. I def. don't think the judgement call to boot him was a bad one, nor do I question it. I had not realized the situation was handled when I commented. I believe in moderators for just these reasons.

Please argue any time. I do like a good debate. And you make your points well. Thanks for clarifying in the process your thoughts on how it was handled, I am not around as much as many people here, so probably also miss large parts of the story

CeeGBee · « **Reply #44 on:** July 23, 2009, 01:05:20 AM »

Quote from: Jesse on July 22, 2009, 11:53:43 PM

it baffles me that this discussion continues. alyss didn't contribute anything to the forum. i can't understand anything to the contrary. it's bullshit. how can you say you miss him here? he was mean to people and was a troll who didn't do anything but beg for sympathy so he could abuse people. there is NOTHING GOOD that can come from him being there, and i believe in that so much. do people want controversy and obnoxiousness? it's fucking bullshit. i don't agree with the ridiculous overanalysis of this. alyss = troll. it's that easy.

At this point, I'm with Jesse...

I mean, I wasn't all that put out with Alyss' shenanigans, but they were ongoing, and they were
disruptive, and he was warned. I think he did contribute to the ongoing flow of ideas and assorted
nonsense that makes up our little community, even if I would be hard pressed to say exactly how...

This isn't a "there but for the grace of God go I" situation, since no one else here has been such a deliberate
irritant on a 24/7 basis (almost literally). This isn't the Stasi or the CIA making a dissenter disappear.

Andy Pants · « **Reply #45 on:** July 23, 2009, 02:01:40 AM »

Quote from: anotfrombamagrl on July 23, 2009, 12:56:40 AM

Quote from: PunkRocker1989 on July 23, 2009, 12:08:49 AM

Quote from: anotfrombamagrl on July 22, 2009, 11:34:17 PM
I WOULD LOVE TO MOVE THIS OFF ALYSS.
This is more in general to why I disagree with the theory in just this post, not the situation it arose from.

Quote from: PunkRocker1989 on July 22, 2009, 11:16:46 PM

I think my views on this are fairly well articulated, he wasn't just being disruptive, he repeatedly broke the rules of the place in which he was being disruptive. You tolerate a little kid yelling in a supermarket or an annoying kid in class, but if that kid starts breaking things and harassing people, the relevant authority gives them adequate warnings and then kicks them out and it's their choice as to whether they permanently ban them. Usually they'll talk to the childs guardian, but in this case the offender was a grown ass man and as such should have known better. You don't have to get everyone in the class or in the supermarket to sign a petition, that's a waste of time and entirely irrelevant.

The other best option is to sit back and let the people who can actually handle these things, handle these things.

But I think that's what we have done. He was perpetually annoying, some people got upset, some people complained and then Beth dealt with it. That's all there really was to it. This place has moderators like any other forum because we can't always collectively come to a unanimous decision, sometimes we need a higher authority to handle these things. I was never gunning for Fergus to be removed permanently, I didn't make a fuss when he acted like a dick or did something upsetting to someone, I accept that all communities are going to have people that not everyone is going to like, but now that he's gone I don't think there's any good reason to question Beth's decision.

And I think I'll leave it at that because as others have noted it's not really an issue which requires any further analysis. The only reason why I'm arguing with you about this is because I have the kind of personality that requires me to argue with people about things that don't really matter, and I dislike people with uber-antagonistic personality-type of the person in question, and also I'm a little bored.
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I've really got nothing at this point. The situation was handled here, and thats all that matters. I def. don't think the judgement call to boot him was a bad one, nor do I question it. I had not realized the situation was handled when I commented. I believe in moderators for just these reasons.

Please argue any time. I do like a good debate. And you make your points well. Thanks for clarifying in the process your thoughts on how it was handled, I am not around as much as many people here, so probably also miss large parts of the story

That's fine and I'd just like to say that I do see some merit in some of your points. There are varying views on how much he actually contributed and I think there's room for opinion on that, but my major argument was that it wasn't the times he was contributing that were the issue, but the times when he wasn't contributing and disrupted or even harassed other forum-members. Just thought I should say that as I know that sometimes my point of view can get lost amongst all of my expletives.

marie_x · « **Reply #46 on:** July 23, 2009, 10:05:04 AM »

Really. Everyone. Just. Stop. It.

This isn't a fucking war.
He's banned.
NO amount of fighting about it will change anyone's minds.

'Nuff said.

Cheddars Cousin · « **Reply #47 on:** July 23, 2009, 12:13:09 PM »

Quote from: CeeGBee on July 22, 2009, 06:40:44 PM

Quote from: Camille on July 22, 2009, 06:03:19 PM
Quote from: anotfrombamagrl on July 22, 2009, 04:18:28 PM
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Quote from: Camille on July 22, 2009, 12:38:35 PM
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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Isn't that from a Regina Spektor song, just in different words? mhm

Its actually a quote by Einstein.

oh.. sorry, the song "i cut off my hair" has the line "the definition of a crazy person is someone who does the same thing over and over expecting different results" or something of the like
Well obv one would have to be a complete idiot to quote Einstein...

...or to read a line like that from Regina S and not instantly recognize it as the words of
an old physicist...

Oh wait... no... $:-\$

Regina Spektor is a physicist

anotfrombamagrl · « **Reply #48 on:** July 23, 2009, 02:12:13 PM »

In all honesty. I sent (forgive me if I should know your name but dont) PunkRocker1989 a private messsage just so the damn topic wouldn't come up again, just to thank him for his views on the subject and look forward to more. I am so glad it got moved and changed.
Anywho.

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