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Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« on: July 24, 2009, 09:38:36 PM »

the trailer is up now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiPR6kA4_iU

looks good, but lets hope everyone dose not get obbsessed with it.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2009, 10:12:14 PM »

you know this is going to turn into the next hot topic marketing sensation.



it looks interesting enough. johnny depp sure puts a lot into his characters.
i don't plan on seeing it in 3D, though.

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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2009, 10:22:52 PM »

yeah johnny depp looks good in it, i think alice could of looked younger.
and maybe not as much cgi
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2009, 10:47:15 PM »

the movie actually takes place 10 years after alices first adventure. thats why she looks older. i think she is running away from the man she is supposed to marry.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2009, 11:05:56 PM »

i'm looking fwd 2 experiencing it
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2009, 12:38:31 AM »

damn i can't wait!
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2009, 05:07:20 AM »

alice looks hot actually.
i'm sort of sorry though that this movie, with the huge success it will have, might overshadow the original animated film. kids will definitely miss out. 
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2009, 09:59:40 AM »

alice in wonderland is one of the old animated disney movies i hate, to be honest. i always thought it was a complete mindfuck and that the story was stupid.

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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2009, 10:14:48 AM »

alice in wonderland is one of the old animated disney movies i hate, to be honest. i always thought it was a complete mindfuck and that the story was stupid.


mindfuck? yes. lewis carroll was a pretty fucked up dude. he was accused of child pornography and under suspicion for the being jack the ripper.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2009, 10:21:27 AM »

total mindfuck. which is why i looooved it.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2009, 11:11:50 AM »

I'm so amped for this. Patrick Wolf said on his twitter that he was originally offered the part of the Mad Hatter but he turned it down...strange.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2009, 09:07:35 PM »

alice in wonderland is one of the old animated disney movies i hate, to be honest. i always thought it was a complete mindfuck and that the story was stupid.


the disney movie is a completely different sort of mindfuck from the actual story, however.  i saw it in the theater when i was young and bothered my parents for weeks asking why the two storylines had nothing to do with one another.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2009, 09:10:04 PM »

i watched the cartoon about a month ago. i hadn't seen it since i was little, maybe 7 or 8.

still fucked with me, lol.

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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2009, 09:37:51 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2009, 09:55:49 PM »

I'm so amped for this. Patrick Wolf said on his twitter that he was originally offered the part of the Mad Hatter but he turned it down...strange.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2009, 10:04:27 PM »

When's that Marilyn Manson one with Lily Cole as Alice coming out?
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2009, 02:25:38 AM »

When's that Marilyn Manson one with Lily Cole as Alice coming out?

Hopefully never. I have a feeling it will suck.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2009, 02:28:12 AM »

When's that Marilyn Manson one with Lily Cole as Alice coming out?

Hopefully never. I have a feeling it will suck.
the version of the wizard of oz that the sci-fi cannel, i think it was, did was awful.  and i loved the cast and the book, so that was a shame.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2009, 03:50:32 AM »

alice in wonderland is one of the old animated disney movies i hate, to be honest. i always thought it was a complete mindfuck and that the story was stupid.


mindfuck? yes. lewis carroll was a pretty fucked up dude. he was accused of child pornography and under suspicion for the being jack the ripper.
simply not true.
the only source that even remotely suggests that, is the work of a modern american scholar who seems to have simply not done any research....
the original disney film was a travesty of the the story, missing the point of most of it (an exercise in dream logic and child morality) for a really good version, go find Jan Svenkmejers "Alice" or the wonderful english version made in 1972
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2009, 04:24:38 AM »

alice in wonderland is one of the old animated disney movies i hate, to be honest. i always thought it was a complete mindfuck and that the story was stupid.


mindfuck? yes. lewis carroll was a pretty fucked up dude. he was accused of child pornography and under suspicion for the being jack the ripper.
simply not true.
the only source that even remotely suggests that, is the work of a modern american scholar who seems to have simply not done any research....
the original disney film was a travesty of the the story, missing the point of most of it (an exercise in dream logic and child morality) for a really good version, go find Jan Svenkmejers "Alice" or the wonderful english version made in 1972

i once got into an argument with a professor for suggesting lewis carroll MIGHT have smoked opium, and was RUMORED to enjoy conversation, picnics, and photography with little girls, who, it was reported, put him enough at ease so as to make his stutter disappear by being in his company.  she thought i meant the other, and was defending him.  i do remember reading an interview with alice liddel (sp?) which said they often did photographic sessions, but never once were they untoward, and often included her parent as a guest, or at least present.

i never heard that he was 'under suspicion' of being jack the ripper, though.  that's a new one.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2009, 04:48:35 AM »

I'm kind of terrified about the hype for this film. It seems like its being made specifically for a trend and a marketing possibility.
I wish American McGees Alice was still being made into a film.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2009, 05:27:07 AM »

I've been excited about this movie for a long time. I really hope I'm not disappointed, but Tim Burton has done no wrong in my eyes so far.
I mean, this is a mix that I've wanted to happen for quite a while. I remember once talking with a friend of mine how amazing it would be if Tim Burton did a version of Alice, then about a day later, we heard that it was actually going to happen.
That was pretty sweet

I'm really looking forward to this
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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2009, 08:17:46 AM »

alice in wonderland is one of the old animated disney movies i hate, to be honest. i always thought it was a complete mindfuck and that the story was stupid.


mindfuck? yes. lewis carroll was a pretty fucked up dude. he was accused of child pornography and under suspicion for the being jack the ripper.
simply not true.
the only source that even remotely suggests that, is the work of a modern american scholar who seems to have simply not done any research....
the original disney film was a travesty of the the story, missing the point of most of it (an exercise in dream logic and child morality) for a really good version, go find Jan Svenkmejers "Alice" or the wonderful english version made in 1972

i once got into an argument with a professor for suggesting lewis carroll MIGHT have smoked opium, and was RUMORED to enjoy conversation, picnics, and photography with little girls, who, it was reported, put him enough at ease so as to make his stutter disappear by being in his company.  she thought i meant the other, and was defending him.  i do remember reading an interview with alice liddel (sp?) which said they often did photographic sessions, but never once were they untoward, and often included her parent as a guest, or at least present.

i never heard that he was 'under suspicion' of being jack the ripper, though.  that's a new one.

child porn is all relative. he would take pics of little girls but put them in makeup and dress them to look like they were much much older than they really were. the only skin that could be seen was the ankle. and if remember right, the original alice was his school masters daughter or something to that effect. as for jack the ripper...authorities would try to rearrange the nonsense words in his poems to try to find hidden messages.
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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2009, 10:21:45 AM »

alice in wonderland is one of the old animated disney movies i hate, to be honest. i always thought it was a complete mindfuck and that the story was stupid.


mindfuck? yes. lewis carroll was a pretty fucked up dude. he was accused of child pornography and under suspicion for the being jack the ripper.
simply not true.
the only source that even remotely suggests that, is the work of a modern american scholar who seems to have simply not done any research....
the original disney film was a travesty of the the story, missing the point of most of it (an exercise in dream logic and child morality) for a really good version, go find Jan Svenkmejers "Alice" or the wonderful english version made in 1972

i once got into an argument with a professor for suggesting lewis carroll MIGHT have smoked opium, and was RUMORED to enjoy conversation, picnics, and photography with little girls, who, it was reported, put him enough at ease so as to make his stutter disappear by being in his company.  she thought i meant the other, and was defending him.  i do remember reading an interview with alice liddel (sp?) which said they often did photographic sessions, but never once were they untoward, and often included her parent as a guest, or at least present.

i never heard that he was 'under suspicion' of being jack the ripper, though.  that's a new one.

child porn is all relative. he would take pics of little girls but put them in makeup and dress them to look like they were much much older than they really were. the only skin that could be seen was the ankle. and if remember right, the original alice was his school masters daughter or something to that effect. as for jack the ripper...authorities would try to rearrange the nonsense words in his poems to try to find hidden messages.

relative though it may be, i remember when i read about the man and his life in my compulsory lewis carroll obsession in college there were photo shoots, but they were parentally consented to and not of a 'pornographic nature,' even though they were what could be considered a little peculiarly staged, i.e. the older clothes and so on.  i know humpty dumpty explaining the 'portmanteau' words, and paying words extra to take on extra meanings, had something to do with his poems being investigated at some point for nefarious items, but i didn't know it had to do with jack the ripper, if it indeed did.

in a paper once i had to compare a victorian author's style with a modern writer's, and i chose lewis carroll and tom robbins.  tom robbins' books are nothing like carroll's, not in style or substance at least, but there has always been something to me in the usual unspoken agreement with those two that authors make between the writer and reader that, in their cases, the improbable, impossible, and the absurd can and will occur in their stories, and usually for a good reason.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2009, 10:38:09 AM »

alice in wonderland is one of the old animated disney movies i hate, to be honest. i always thought it was a complete mindfuck and that the story was stupid.


mindfuck? yes. lewis carroll was a pretty fucked up dude. he was accused of child pornography and under suspicion for the being jack the ripper.
simply not true.
the only source that even remotely suggests that, is the work of a modern american scholar who seems to have simply not done any research....
the original disney film was a travesty of the the story, missing the point of most of it (an exercise in dream logic and child morality) for a really good version, go find Jan Svenkmejers "Alice" or the wonderful english version made in 1972

i once got into an argument with a professor for suggesting lewis carroll MIGHT have smoked opium, and was RUMORED to enjoy conversation, picnics, and photography with little girls, who, it was reported, put him enough at ease so as to make his stutter disappear by being in his company.  she thought i meant the other, and was defending him.  i do remember reading an interview with alice liddel (sp?) which said they often did photographic sessions, but never once were they untoward, and often included her parent as a guest, or at least present.

i never heard that he was 'under suspicion' of being jack the ripper, though.  that's a new one.

child porn is all relative. he would take pics of little girls but put them in makeup and dress them to look like they were much much older than they really were. the only skin that could be seen was the ankle. and if remember right, the original alice was his school masters daughter or something to that effect. as for jack the ripper...authorities would try to rearrange the nonsense words in his poems to try to find hidden messages.

Whoa if people call that child porn I wonder what they would say about Sally Mann's work.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2009, 03:25:12 PM »

I wonder if Amanda met Johnny Depp and Tim Burton at Comicon?
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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2009, 04:27:39 PM »

saw a little clip of Johnny Depp making a surprize appearance at Comic Con as Tim Burton's "imaginary friend" at the end of his Q&A session.

He is probably both blind and deaf now. (camera flashes, screaming..)

personally, not too sure about the CGI from the look of the trailer.. but I will almost certainly see it anyway.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2009, 04:31:07 PM »

the trailer makes it all look a tad too disney.............I liked the originalmad hatter costume that johnny wore a year ago,tonnes more!
I also think that Tim burton is a strong enough director to make a disney filmand still retain the macabre, so here i am hoping for a decent Alice film
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« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2009, 04:31:54 PM »

p.s. my puntuation and spacing seems to be somewhat random
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« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2009, 04:38:14 PM »

This looks intriguing. I hope it is.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2009, 12:00:22 PM »

I personally love all adaptions of this film and cannot wait to see Tim Burtons vision of this story come to life.
The first disney version of this story has never been my favorite though [it's deffinitely wonderful, but not my favorite] for some reason, i think it was because it was too short? idk..& personally that version wasn't that much of a 'mind fuck' for me as child. I love this story because every adaption is just plain beautiful, imagination running a muck.
I think that's what i love most about this story, how accessible it actually is. Which is why [i think] almost everyone loves it, who doesn't love wonderland?...it just opened doors of whimsical & out of the norm possibilities of imagining when i was a child. haha I guess that is a mind fuck? :buck2: but one deserving to be there though.
My favorite although [no body elses usually] has always been this one, aesthetically i was captured when first seeing this at 7?..6?
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I'm sure many of you've seen it...I just think it's a good adaption of the book...I also think Tim Burton's will have much of the book fully alive in the movie [although mixed with poems & different stories.]
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« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2009, 01:16:02 PM »

I like that version too!
its very sympathetic to the original Tenniel illustrations
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« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2009, 02:55:23 PM »

Indeeeeed, i love that aspect about it toooo! :love5:

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« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2009, 03:42:41 PM »

I'm kind of terrified about the hype for this film. It seems like its being made specifically for a trend and a marketing possibility.
I wish American McGees Alice was still being made into a film.

Frankly I think films based on video games are always horrible.  They often don't even have the vaguest resemblance to the game...

As for this film, I just want to say that I love Johnny Depp!
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« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2009, 06:07:45 PM »

you absolutely cannot go wrong with a film invoving johnny depp and tim burton.. they're a match made in heaven heh
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« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2009, 06:10:14 PM »

i wonder if danny elfman is jealous of johnny depp?
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« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2009, 02:03:22 AM »

One of the few upcoming movies that I am looking forward to see.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2009, 05:41:20 PM »

the trailer is up now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiPR6kA4_iU

looks good, but lets hope everyone dose not get obbsessed with it.
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1. Its being done by Tim Burton.
2. It has Johnny Depp

Those two things alone are reasons people are going to get obsessed with it. Now, I have nothing against either men; I like Tim Burton's films and I like Depp as an actor. However, that doesn't mean that they are perfect. I'm just going to wait until the movie comes out because I do love Alice in Wonderland.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2009, 08:12:04 AM »

i'm usually against Remakes, but this looks like it'd be amazing  O0
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« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2009, 08:33:27 AM »

i'm usually against Remakes, but this looks like it'd be amazing  O0

It isn't really a remake. More of an new adaptation of the original story. I can't wait to see it  :coolsmiley:
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« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2009, 08:44:11 AM »

after watching the trailer 3 times, i finally figured out where i'd seen the girl who plays Alice before... she was in the TV show 'In Treatment'. and she's Australian. ha... figures.

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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2009, 08:45:31 AM »

Litterally can not wait for this film, Helena Bonham Carter as the Queen of Hearts = WIN.  :love5:

Part of me really wants this film to be like the 1988 film Alice (Neco z Alenky), but I'm looking forward to see the adaptions they've made to the story.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2009, 12:01:07 AM »

I think it looks pretty good, of course I LOVE Tim Burton (though his last few movies arent my favorites, his last great was Big Fish and before that was Ed Wood and everything before that was AMAZING, batman flicks excluded) and i LOVE Johnny Depp, and I love the story. The film looks beautiful, and Burton has injected his wierdness into it which seems perfect.
I do have a few gripes though... First and formost, it seems they are focusing too heavily on The Mad Hatter in promotion/advertising. second, it seems that The red Queen and the Queen of Hearts must once again be subjected to be combined into one character. Third, why the hell is Alice so old?...whatev. I'm sure I can overlook these things, there are certainly worse adaptations out there.
btw, Fuck Johnny Depp, ALAN RICKMAN IS THE CATTERPILLAR!  :love5:
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #43 on: October 08, 2009, 12:22:31 AM »

isnt Crispin Glover supposed to be in this movie?? if he is thats more then enough reason for me to go see it, i plan on seeing it anyway, but Crispin just makes me want to see it opening night.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2009, 01:24:29 PM »

i love tim burton but christ...he hasnt done an original movie in like 10 years/
still excited tho.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #45 on: October 17, 2009, 04:44:56 PM »

I'm looking forward to this...Tim Burton is awesome and I've loved Johnny Depp since I was 12. My only problem is that Tim Burton movies are turning into like "the friends of Tim burton Club". As much as I like Johnny Depp, Helena Bonham Carter and Alan Rickman...

As for the disney cartoon, as a blonde girl called Alice with a phobia of psychadelic drugs, that movie terrified the SHIT out of me when i was a kid.

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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2009, 03:30:56 AM »

watch the english films or the Jan Svenkejer film if you want scary
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #47 on: January 12, 2010, 09:38:25 PM »

Fuck this!
i am now sudenly not looking forward to the new Alice In Wonderland. here is the soundtrack. D': shitty shitty muzic!
1. "Alice (Underground)" performed by Avril Lavigne
2. "The Poison" performed by The All-American Rejects
3. "The Technicolor Phase" performed by Owl City
4. "Her Name Is Alice" performed by Shinedown
5. "P...ainting Flowers" performed by All Time Low
6. "Where's My Angel" performed by Metro Station
7. "Strange" performed by Tokio Hotel and Kerli
8. "Follow Me Down" performed by 3OH!3 featuring Neon Hitch
9. "Very Good Advice" performed by Robert Smith
10. "In Transit" performed by Mark Hoppus with Pete Wentz
11. "Welcome to Mystery" performed by Plain White T's
12. "Tea Party" performed by Kerli1
3. "The Lobster Quadrille" performed by Franz Ferdinand
14. "Running Out of Time" performed by Motion City Soundtrack
15. "Fell Down a Hole" performed by Wolfmother
16. "White Rabbit" performed by Grace Potter and the Nocturnals

WTF?!
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #48 on: January 12, 2010, 09:52:15 PM »

This must be fake, right? .... right?

*IMDBs it* apparently it isn't. Oh god. That doesn't sound appealing at all. D:
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #49 on: January 13, 2010, 03:25:11 AM »

Fuck this!
i am now sudenly not looking forward to the new Alice In Wonderland. here is the soundtrack. D': shitty shitty muzic!
1. "Alice (Underground)" performed by Avril Lavigne
2. "The Poison" performed by The All-American Rejects
3. "The Technicolor Phase" performed by Owl City
4. "Her Name Is Alice" performed by Shinedown
5. "P...ainting Flowers" performed by All Time Low
6. "Where's My Angel" performed by Metro Station
7. "Strange" performed by Tokio Hotel and Kerli
8. "Follow Me Down" performed by 3OH!3 featuring Neon Hitch
9. "Very Good Advice" performed by Robert Smith
10. "In Transit" performed by Mark Hoppus with Pete Wentz
11. "Welcome to Mystery" performed by Plain White T's
12. "Tea Party" performed by Kerli1
3. "The Lobster Quadrille" performed by Franz Ferdinand
14. "Running Out of Time" performed by Motion City Soundtrack
15. "Fell Down a Hole" performed by Wolfmother
16. "White Rabbit" performed by Grace Potter and the Nocturnals

WTF?!

This is not good.  >:(
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2010, 04:28:43 AM »

Fuck this!
i am now sudenly not looking forward to the new Alice In Wonderland. here is the soundtrack. D': shitty shitty muzic!
1. "Alice (Underground)" performed by Avril Lavigne
2. "The Poison" performed by The All-American Rejects
3. "The Technicolor Phase" performed by Owl City
4. "Her Name Is Alice" performed by Shinedown
5. "P...ainting Flowers" performed by All Time Low
6. "Where's My Angel" performed by Metro Station
7. "Strange" performed by Tokio Hotel and Kerli
8. "Follow Me Down" performed by 3OH!3 featuring Neon Hitch
9. "Very Good Advice" performed by Robert Smith
10. "In Transit" performed by Mark Hoppus with Pete Wentz
11. "Welcome to Mystery" performed by Plain White T's
12. "Tea Party" performed by Kerli1
3. "The Lobster Quadrille" performed by Franz Ferdinand
14. "Running Out of Time" performed by Motion City Soundtrack
15. "Fell Down a Hole" performed by Wolfmother
16. "White Rabbit" performed by Grace Potter and the Nocturnals

WTF?!

This is not good.  >:(

Are people ignoring the fact that there's a SOLO ROBERT SMITH SONG on this tracklist? Holy fuck, he might be making a fucking solo album.

Also Franz Ferdinand and Wolfmother aren't that bad.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2010, 05:16:36 AM »

Fuck this!
i am now sudenly not looking forward to the new Alice In Wonderland. here is the soundtrack. D': shitty shitty muzic!
1. "Alice (Underground)" performed by Avril Lavigne
2. "The Poison" performed by The All-American Rejects
3. "The Technicolor Phase" performed by Owl City
4. "Her Name Is Alice" performed by Shinedown
5. "P...ainting Flowers" performed by All Time Low
6. "Where's My Angel" performed by Metro Station
7. "Strange" performed by Tokio Hotel and Kerli
8. "Follow Me Down" performed by 3OH!3 featuring Neon Hitch
9. "Very Good Advice" performed by Robert Smith
10. "In Transit" performed by Mark Hoppus with Pete Wentz
11. "Welcome to Mystery" performed by Plain White T's
12. "Tea Party" performed by Kerli1
3. "The Lobster Quadrille" performed by Franz Ferdinand
14. "Running Out of Time" performed by Motion City Soundtrack
15. "Fell Down a Hole" performed by Wolfmother
16. "White Rabbit" performed by Grace Potter and the Nocturnals

WTF?!

This is not good.  >:(

Are people ignoring the fact that there's a SOLO ROBERT SMITH SONG on this tracklist? Holy fuck, he might be making a fucking solo album.

Also Franz Ferdinand and Wolfmother aren't that bad.
I noticed. The awesomeness of Robert Smith is in this instance overshadowed by the lameness of so many others.
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« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2010, 10:11:20 AM »

DANNY ELFMAN FTW!


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« Reply #53 on: January 13, 2010, 12:57:24 PM »

Tokio Hotel??? Really? That tracklist is a huge disappointment :/
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #54 on: January 13, 2010, 04:12:42 PM »

Urgh, I think that tracklist would possibly even stop me going to see it now :(

I liked Tim Burton before he sold his soul to the scene kids and emos.

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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #55 on: January 13, 2010, 05:32:48 PM »

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16. "White Rabbit" performed by Grace Potter and the Nocturnals

if this is the White Rabbit of Jefferson Airplane, i think they should at least put Patti Smith's cover to the soundtrack which is a way brighter and classier. They didn't use the original record, so why in the hell tey didn't put Patti's version? She's a living legend and deserves to be listened.

+And Avril is another good reason for me to not to buy the soundtrack.

i just wonder Robert Smith's song.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #56 on: January 14, 2010, 12:08:08 AM »

Why the fuck would this movie even have a rock soundtrack? Let alone a shitty one? But maybe Robert Smith's awesomocity will somehow overpower everything.

All horror aside, this looks to be a good movie. Seriously though, I mean, i get casting friends, but this is ridiculous. He needs to stop putting his fucking wife in important roles of each movie he does, and as amazing as he is, quit putting Depp in the lead of every fucking movie! Apparently he's doing a film of Dark Shadows with Depp as Barnabas Collins next year (riding the vampire trend are we?)
I absolutley adore Tim Burton, but his last few have been disappointments. Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood, even fucking Peewee's Big Adventure were great movies. Then there was Sleepy Hollow and Planet of The Apes and I was like WTF Tim? Big Fish was fantastic, but then followed by Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (meh) Corpse Bride(good, but still meh, Henry Sellick would've done it better) and Sweeney Todd(I'm a bit biased because I generally don't like gore but I have to say I didn't like it).
I really hope Alice is good, I really hope so. I really want to like Tim Burton again)

ps y'know what I just noticed? He hasn't done an entirely original film since Edward Scissorhands, if you consider that Corpse Bride is loosely based on an old Russian folktale, and that Mars Attacks is a bit of a parody of several films.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2010, 08:18:09 PM »

He needs to stop putting his fucking wife in important roles of each movie he does
I do love her though. She was pretty much made to star in Tim Burton movies

But that soundtrack? That's just awful. Not even Robert Smith can make me want to listen to it, and seeing most of the bands on it, is kind of scaring me. Is that a true reflection of what the movie is going to be like? What the hell was he thinking..
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #58 on: January 16, 2010, 12:09:17 AM »

This has to be some sort of joke. I mean, come on, 3oh!3? Owl City!?
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #59 on: January 16, 2010, 08:50:51 AM »

Franz Ferdinand and Robert Smith
at least there were something okay in the soundtrack

let us pray that burton had nothing to do with the music and he tried to change it  :o


i mostly look forward to see matt lucas as tweedledee and tweedledum though
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #60 on: January 16, 2010, 09:07:14 AM »

but this music isn't going to be in the movie, so what's all the fuss about?
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #61 on: January 16, 2010, 09:25:50 AM »

but this music isn't going to be in the movie, so what's all the fuss about?


it says it's the soundtrack so i guess a lot of people figured it would actually be in the movie
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #62 on: January 16, 2010, 01:50:16 PM »

Oh it isnt!? thank god. okay, I read the wikipedia article about it. I get it now, it's a stupid idea, but whatever, doesn't matter to me as long as they keep that shit out of the movie. I'll forgive them if they play Robert Smith during the credits.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #63 on: January 16, 2010, 02:18:22 PM »

Oh thank god!

Danny Elfman is doing the 'REAL' music for the film  O0
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #64 on: January 16, 2010, 07:15:05 PM »

but this music isn't going to be in the movie, so what's all the fuss about?

I thought this might be the case. Movie music isn't just used for dramatic reinforcement of visual action anymore. For many hollywood films a soundtrack has become an (arguably ineffective) marketting tool. The soundtrack is usually designed to target a specific and narrow audience demographic as insurance. In other words if they don't see the movie at least they'll buy the soundtrack. This is particularly appealing to scrupulous marketting execs as the target audience is actually paying to have the movie advertised to them out of their own pocket. The people most likely to spend money on the movie and any products relating to it are the most likely to be targetted. In this instance it's the teensters with highly disposable incomes. It's just coincidence that these people happen to have terrible taste in music.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #65 on: January 16, 2010, 08:40:09 PM »

Danny Elfman is doing the 'REAL' music for the film  O0

Oh man, I am so relieved at this. I was picturing beautiful Tim Burton images being backed up by Metro Station, and was just a little bit turned off by the whole thing.
Danny Elfman is truly amazing, and I'm so glad he's back for another round of awesomeness with this movie
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #66 on: March 17, 2010, 01:05:00 AM »

i saw it the other day and i loved it xD
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #67 on: March 17, 2010, 08:47:47 AM »

I started watching the 1951 animated version last night, and I really want to see what Tim Burton has done with the characters. (I hadn't seen it before)
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #68 on: March 17, 2010, 11:25:17 AM »

Alice is the most disappointing thing I've seen all year.
The song during the credits is the Avril Lavigne one.  It's annoying.

Also, what's the problem with Grace Potter?  Bitch is fantastic and I will kick the ass of anyone who tries to tell me otherwise.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #69 on: March 17, 2010, 11:29:43 AM »

Oh, I'm so glad someone else shares my views.

It's not that I hated it, but I felt underwhelmed. It had so much potential to be amazing. The visual aspect of the film was pretty decent, and I loved the bit where Alice falls down the rabbit hole. However, that didn't excuse the whole "fan fiction" vibe I got from it. It also did not excuse Johnny Depp's dance at the end.
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« Reply #70 on: March 17, 2010, 11:33:03 AM »

That's basically my reaction.  It was just fucking embarrassing when he started dancing.  Also, the White Queen deserved so much more screen time and character building than she got. 
The only two people in the entire movie who at no point disappointed me were Helena Bonham Carter (which surprised me as I expected her to just phone it in) and Anne Hathaway (who did the best she could with a crap part).
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #71 on: March 17, 2010, 11:40:33 AM »

Helena was definitely the best of the cast, and one of the few characters that had any semblance to her original counterpart. (With the exception of the Cheshire Cat).

But yeah, that dance...it was just embarrassing to watch.

Personally, I feel if they had cut Johnny Depp's screen time, and gave some more to Anne Hathaway, it wouldn't have been as bad.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #72 on: March 17, 2010, 04:20:46 PM »

I was a bit dissapointed too...it wasn't awful but I was expecting it to be amazing.

But I read the book at the weekend and started reading Through The Looking Glass - they are so good

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« Reply #73 on: March 17, 2010, 04:30:24 PM »

They fucked the characters up so bad.

I didn't mind it as a thing, though. Kind of liked it.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #74 on: March 17, 2010, 11:13:51 PM »

I saw it with my little brother today, although we didn't have enough money to see it in 3D. My brother didn't like it because the jabberwocky scared him, but I really liked it. I liked the... bandersnatch? And I thought the Tweedles were cute. I wasn't really disappointed until the Hatter did his dance at the end.
And the part with the headsman and the cat... I loved that part.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #75 on: March 18, 2010, 05:09:35 PM »

I've seen this twice at the cinema already! I really, really loved it. I think it's a stunningly beautiful film, and the whole cast is just perfect.

Having said that though, I too cringed at the Mad Hatter's dance. The choice of music and choreography was totally wrong - it stood out far too much from the rest of the film, and just felt like the end of Napoleon Dynamite. I think it would have been so much better if he'd done perhaps a Scottish jig or something...?

I agree that the White Queen was underdeveloped as a character, too. Though I didn't mind that too much, as I found Anne Hathaway really annoying - I was much happier watching more of the Mad Hatter and the Queen of Hearts. Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham-Carter can do no wrong.

I think that parts of the film could have been a lot darker than they were as well, like the scene where Alice crosses the moat to the Queen of Hearts' castle. You don't get much of a chance to realise how gruesome that actually is, it's really skimmed over. I guess they didn't want to go too far and lose the appeal to a younger audience...

Also, Avril in the credits? Ouch.

Otherwise though - wonderful. Cannot wait for the DVD!
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #76 on: March 18, 2010, 11:17:23 PM »

^The thing is, they cut down the White Queen so much that all you got was her dithering, and only got one or two glimpses into the fact that she's not actually all good (a couple of bitchy lines directed at Alice, and mostly the fact that as the younger sister, she's technically a usurper).
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #77 on: April 24, 2010, 11:53:08 PM »

Just got back from watching it and, like I said on Twitter, to say I loved it is an understatement. I had so much fun watching this, I fell in love with the entire cast and was just excited from the beginning to the end. Favorite film of 2010 by far, even if I have no idea what the fuck Burton was smoking when he didn't edit the Mad Hatter's dance out. Gah! I need to see it again!
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #78 on: April 25, 2010, 10:43:50 AM »

This movie was quite a disappointment for me... not that I didn't have fun, sure, the whole thing was really good, funny, loved the word play, loved the design, loved Johnny's and Helena's acting, loved the soundtrack (MOST of it, maybe without the Avril's song in the credits :P), but... it wasn't what I thought it'll be. It totally lacked the spirit, I mean, this whole creepy-weird-dark Burton spirit, which was so clear in, for example, Sweeney Todd, not to mention Beetlejuice... or even Corpse Bride, or anything.

Don't get me wrong - I don't think it was a bad movie. In fact, I think it was really, really good, as a movie in general. But not as a Burton movie - here's the thing. It was just too... too sweet, too cute (I'm not saying all of it, just the general impression in comparison to other works), too... Disney-like? It would be SO MUCH bettet without this whole grand Hollywood ending with Alice as a princess on white horse (umm.. it wasn't actually a horse, but you get what I mean) slaying the baaaad Jabberwocky beast. And without those so obvious attraction between the Mad Hatter and Alice. And without Avril at the end, but those were just credits, so they don't count that much.

I'm quite a big fan of the Carroll's book and it's dark, weird atmosphere, so I was extremely excited about that particular director making this movie, and I really expected it as one of his greatest works, concerning all those really cool graphics from the trailer, concerning actors starring... and it just wasn't it.

And I get it - probably if that movie was dark, weird, creepy and psychedelic, it won't get so much of the positive response, it won't get so much money, it won't be suitable for kids, so it won't be classified PG, so not that much people would see it, so...blah blah blah. I get it, really... I'm just sad Burton decided to make it a great money-raising hit instead of some kind of... art? As I perceive some of his other productions. Man, maybe that's me who's weird here.... but still.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #79 on: April 28, 2010, 10:56:44 AM »

I havn't seen the movie yet, but from what I've heard, it's a bit of a bastardization of the source material, not that that's much different than any Alice adaptation. From what I've seen, and I may be wrong, it seems as though The Mad Hatter's role has been upped a bit probably because that's the role Johnny Depp played.
Honestly, I really think Tim Burton is losing his touch. The last movie he did that he did that I REALLY liked was Big Fish. I think these two videos have got it pretty down pat.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/bFzLRP8e4vE&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/bFzLRP8e4vE&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;</a>
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #80 on: April 29, 2010, 07:41:04 AM »

see, i really didn't like big fish.  it's not easy to be a burton fan, honestly.  i sometimes feel like i was the only burton fan who owned a copy of the original sweeney todd dvd with angela lansbury and george hearn.  and, to be honest, there is no way that burton's usual cast of characters can or ever could pull off a show like that without having the voices to sing the incredibly difficult sondheim score, not to mention the usual burton audiences could totally understand and appreciate the incredible songs without cutting them, which they of course did.  visually, it was awesome (it's always awesome visually), although there generally seems to be no way to make mr. depp not look nine years old.  and i will be happy if i never hear helena bonham carter sing again; i thought patti lupone did a good enough job of murdering mrs lovett already.  god, she's awful.

i was nervous about alice in wonderland because of my growing disappointment in sweeney todd and subsequent burton projects...and i liked it, but i found it pretty boring, in the end.  not good, not bad, and very pretty, but boring.  i've come to face facts, that burton probably peaked with nightmare before christmas.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #81 on: April 30, 2010, 02:44:25 AM »

see, i really didn't like big fish.  it's not easy to be a burton fan, honestly.  i sometimes feel like i was the only burton fan who owned a copy of the original sweeney todd dvd with angela lansbury and george hearn.  and, to be honest, there is no way that burton's usual cast of characters can or ever could pull off a show like that without having the voices to sing the incredibly difficult sondheim score, not to mention the usual burton audiences could totally understand and appreciate the incredible songs without cutting them, which they of course did.  visually, it was awesome (it's always awesome visually), although there generally seems to be no way to make mr. depp not look nine years old.  and i will be happy if i never hear helena bonham carter sing again; i thought patti lupone did a good enough job of murdering mrs lovett already.  god, she's awful.

i was nervous about alice in wonderland because of my growing disappointment in sweeney todd and subsequent burton projects...and i liked it, but i found it pretty boring, in the end.  not good, not bad, and very pretty, but boring.  i've come to face facts, that burton probably peaked with nightmare before christmas.

Which he himself didn't even direct. Funny.

I didn't like Sweeney Todd, I'm already biased because I almost always hate slashers, and that Burton cast his favorite actors, friends and wife yet again, instead of choosing actors fit to play the parts (singing ability is an important point here-none of the cast were god awful, but they the fantastic singers a musical adaptation should have had-no)

For me, the BEST film he directed was Beetlejuice. All of his movies from the beginning of his career, including Vincent and Frankenweenie, yeah, even Peewee, are brilliant up until Mars Attacks, which is like this weird transition, because as stupid as it is, I still love it. After that they either sucked or they were just alright. (except Big Fish, OMG I love Big Fish)
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #82 on: April 30, 2010, 01:46:10 PM »

...Burton cast his favorite actors, friends and wife yet again, instead of choosing actors fit to play the parts...
Mel Brooks always did this, and when he no longer had Gene Wilder et al to work with, the films suffered.
While this may be attributed to weaker all-around scripts, I think it's largely a matter of a director having
a rapport with certain actors that lets his intended vision reach the screen intact (or at least consistently interpreted).

Seriously, watch Robin Hood: Men In Tights*....  (Do it for science...)
I love Cary Elwes, but English-accent jokes notwithstanding, it's Gene Wilder's part... and nothing
against Dave Chapelle, but that sidekick should be Cleavon Little, Marian should be Madeline Kahn
(25 or thirty years younger than she is now), the nurse? Cloris Leachman of course.... and so on.

Burton's "fixed cast" is smaller, but imho more essential to his work, for better or worse.


*...after thoroughly familiarizing yourself with The Producers (1968), Blazing Saddles & Young Frankenstein.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #83 on: May 01, 2010, 09:37:07 AM »

john waters is another one with his own preferred cast (and he had johnny depp first)....

of course, tim burton is no john waters.  neither is mel brooks for that matter.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #84 on: May 01, 2010, 10:13:25 AM »

tim burton is no john waters.  neither is mel brooks for that matter.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #85 on: May 01, 2010, 03:41:47 PM »

tim burton is no john waters.  neither is mel brooks for that matter.
Comparing apples & oranges bungee cords... 
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #86 on: May 08, 2010, 03:33:26 PM »

Mel Brooks films were mainly silly comedies and parodies and John Waters films were campy and weird and had a b-movie indie sensibility to them. Brooks films weren't about best portraying a character, they were about making it funny and sometimes even contrary to the source material (Rick Moranis as Dark Helmet..). Waters films were admittedly Divine-heavy (no pun intended) until his death, but at least for the last 20 years his group of actors has mainly been in supporting roles, and many of the roles seem to have been designed with the actor in mind.
Burton takes something to adapt (his ratio of original movies to adaptations is growing more disproportionate every year...) and sticks his actors in without stopping for a moment to think that it might be more respectful to the source material to consider a different actor who may be better fit than Johnny Depp (who is really getting boring). Also, his films are generally more serious as well as mainstream.


btw, I like Robin Hood: Men In Tights, Cary Ewles is like my hero. Dracula: Dead And Loving It sucked though. I don't like the chick that plays Maid Marian/Mina Harker. Also... I liked Dave Chappele.
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« Reply #87 on: May 08, 2010, 06:33:06 PM »

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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #88 on: May 09, 2010, 02:26:57 AM »

personally i see Alice as being very much a missed opportunity and seemed to suffer from the HAND OF DISNEY...it could have been this....

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