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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2009, 10:04:27 PM »

When's that Marilyn Manson one with Lily Cole as Alice coming out?
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2009, 02:25:38 AM »

When's that Marilyn Manson one with Lily Cole as Alice coming out?

Hopefully never. I have a feeling it will suck.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2009, 02:28:12 AM »

When's that Marilyn Manson one with Lily Cole as Alice coming out?

Hopefully never. I have a feeling it will suck.
the version of the wizard of oz that the sci-fi cannel, i think it was, did was awful.  and i loved the cast and the book, so that was a shame.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2009, 03:50:32 AM »

alice in wonderland is one of the old animated disney movies i hate, to be honest. i always thought it was a complete mindfuck and that the story was stupid.


mindfuck? yes. lewis carroll was a pretty fucked up dude. he was accused of child pornography and under suspicion for the being jack the ripper.
simply not true.
the only source that even remotely suggests that, is the work of a modern american scholar who seems to have simply not done any research....
the original disney film was a travesty of the the story, missing the point of most of it (an exercise in dream logic and child morality) for a really good version, go find Jan Svenkmejers "Alice" or the wonderful english version made in 1972
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2009, 04:24:38 AM »

alice in wonderland is one of the old animated disney movies i hate, to be honest. i always thought it was a complete mindfuck and that the story was stupid.


mindfuck? yes. lewis carroll was a pretty fucked up dude. he was accused of child pornography and under suspicion for the being jack the ripper.
simply not true.
the only source that even remotely suggests that, is the work of a modern american scholar who seems to have simply not done any research....
the original disney film was a travesty of the the story, missing the point of most of it (an exercise in dream logic and child morality) for a really good version, go find Jan Svenkmejers "Alice" or the wonderful english version made in 1972

i once got into an argument with a professor for suggesting lewis carroll MIGHT have smoked opium, and was RUMORED to enjoy conversation, picnics, and photography with little girls, who, it was reported, put him enough at ease so as to make his stutter disappear by being in his company.  she thought i meant the other, and was defending him.  i do remember reading an interview with alice liddel (sp?) which said they often did photographic sessions, but never once were they untoward, and often included her parent as a guest, or at least present.

i never heard that he was 'under suspicion' of being jack the ripper, though.  that's a new one.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2009, 04:48:35 AM »

I'm kind of terrified about the hype for this film. It seems like its being made specifically for a trend and a marketing possibility.
I wish American McGees Alice was still being made into a film.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2009, 05:27:07 AM »

I've been excited about this movie for a long time. I really hope I'm not disappointed, but Tim Burton has done no wrong in my eyes so far.
I mean, this is a mix that I've wanted to happen for quite a while. I remember once talking with a friend of mine how amazing it would be if Tim Burton did a version of Alice, then about a day later, we heard that it was actually going to happen.
That was pretty sweet

I'm really looking forward to this
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2009, 08:17:46 AM »

alice in wonderland is one of the old animated disney movies i hate, to be honest. i always thought it was a complete mindfuck and that the story was stupid.


mindfuck? yes. lewis carroll was a pretty fucked up dude. he was accused of child pornography and under suspicion for the being jack the ripper.
simply not true.
the only source that even remotely suggests that, is the work of a modern american scholar who seems to have simply not done any research....
the original disney film was a travesty of the the story, missing the point of most of it (an exercise in dream logic and child morality) for a really good version, go find Jan Svenkmejers "Alice" or the wonderful english version made in 1972

i once got into an argument with a professor for suggesting lewis carroll MIGHT have smoked opium, and was RUMORED to enjoy conversation, picnics, and photography with little girls, who, it was reported, put him enough at ease so as to make his stutter disappear by being in his company.  she thought i meant the other, and was defending him.  i do remember reading an interview with alice liddel (sp?) which said they often did photographic sessions, but never once were they untoward, and often included her parent as a guest, or at least present.

i never heard that he was 'under suspicion' of being jack the ripper, though.  that's a new one.

child porn is all relative. he would take pics of little girls but put them in makeup and dress them to look like they were much much older than they really were. the only skin that could be seen was the ankle. and if remember right, the original alice was his school masters daughter or something to that effect. as for jack the ripper...authorities would try to rearrange the nonsense words in his poems to try to find hidden messages.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2009, 10:21:45 AM »

alice in wonderland is one of the old animated disney movies i hate, to be honest. i always thought it was a complete mindfuck and that the story was stupid.


mindfuck? yes. lewis carroll was a pretty fucked up dude. he was accused of child pornography and under suspicion for the being jack the ripper.
simply not true.
the only source that even remotely suggests that, is the work of a modern american scholar who seems to have simply not done any research....
the original disney film was a travesty of the the story, missing the point of most of it (an exercise in dream logic and child morality) for a really good version, go find Jan Svenkmejers "Alice" or the wonderful english version made in 1972

i once got into an argument with a professor for suggesting lewis carroll MIGHT have smoked opium, and was RUMORED to enjoy conversation, picnics, and photography with little girls, who, it was reported, put him enough at ease so as to make his stutter disappear by being in his company.  she thought i meant the other, and was defending him.  i do remember reading an interview with alice liddel (sp?) which said they often did photographic sessions, but never once were they untoward, and often included her parent as a guest, or at least present.

i never heard that he was 'under suspicion' of being jack the ripper, though.  that's a new one.

child porn is all relative. he would take pics of little girls but put them in makeup and dress them to look like they were much much older than they really were. the only skin that could be seen was the ankle. and if remember right, the original alice was his school masters daughter or something to that effect. as for jack the ripper...authorities would try to rearrange the nonsense words in his poems to try to find hidden messages.

relative though it may be, i remember when i read about the man and his life in my compulsory lewis carroll obsession in college there were photo shoots, but they were parentally consented to and not of a 'pornographic nature,' even though they were what could be considered a little peculiarly staged, i.e. the older clothes and so on.  i know humpty dumpty explaining the 'portmanteau' words, and paying words extra to take on extra meanings, had something to do with his poems being investigated at some point for nefarious items, but i didn't know it had to do with jack the ripper, if it indeed did.

in a paper once i had to compare a victorian author's style with a modern writer's, and i chose lewis carroll and tom robbins.  tom robbins' books are nothing like carroll's, not in style or substance at least, but there has always been something to me in the usual unspoken agreement with those two that authors make between the writer and reader that, in their cases, the improbable, impossible, and the absurd can and will occur in their stories, and usually for a good reason.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2009, 10:38:09 AM »

alice in wonderland is one of the old animated disney movies i hate, to be honest. i always thought it was a complete mindfuck and that the story was stupid.


mindfuck? yes. lewis carroll was a pretty fucked up dude. he was accused of child pornography and under suspicion for the being jack the ripper.
simply not true.
the only source that even remotely suggests that, is the work of a modern american scholar who seems to have simply not done any research....
the original disney film was a travesty of the the story, missing the point of most of it (an exercise in dream logic and child morality) for a really good version, go find Jan Svenkmejers "Alice" or the wonderful english version made in 1972

i once got into an argument with a professor for suggesting lewis carroll MIGHT have smoked opium, and was RUMORED to enjoy conversation, picnics, and photography with little girls, who, it was reported, put him enough at ease so as to make his stutter disappear by being in his company.  she thought i meant the other, and was defending him.  i do remember reading an interview with alice liddel (sp?) which said they often did photographic sessions, but never once were they untoward, and often included her parent as a guest, or at least present.

i never heard that he was 'under suspicion' of being jack the ripper, though.  that's a new one.

child porn is all relative. he would take pics of little girls but put them in makeup and dress them to look like they were much much older than they really were. the only skin that could be seen was the ankle. and if remember right, the original alice was his school masters daughter or something to that effect. as for jack the ripper...authorities would try to rearrange the nonsense words in his poems to try to find hidden messages.

Whoa if people call that child porn I wonder what they would say about Sally Mann's work.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2009, 03:25:12 PM »

I wonder if Amanda met Johnny Depp and Tim Burton at Comicon?
I can see Niel being fascinated by the new Alice film
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2009, 04:27:39 PM »

saw a little clip of Johnny Depp making a surprize appearance at Comic Con as Tim Burton's "imaginary friend" at the end of his Q&A session.

He is probably both blind and deaf now. (camera flashes, screaming..)

personally, not too sure about the CGI from the look of the trailer.. but I will almost certainly see it anyway.
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2009, 04:31:07 PM »

the trailer makes it all look a tad too disney.............I liked the originalmad hatter costume that johnny wore a year ago,tonnes more!
I also think that Tim burton is a strong enough director to make a disney filmand still retain the macabre, so here i am hoping for a decent Alice film
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2009, 04:31:54 PM »

p.s. my puntuation and spacing seems to be somewhat random
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Re: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2009, 04:38:14 PM »

This looks intriguing. I hope it is.
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