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g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« on: July 26, 2009, 04:56:16 PM »

please answer the question:

what was g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?

you may also include a mistake made before 20 jan 2001

discussion on answers welcome
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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2009, 05:13:35 PM »

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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2009, 05:19:28 PM »

Coming to Scotland in 2004....


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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2009, 08:38:20 PM »

FIRST SERIOUS REPLY!

IMO his worst mistake was going into Iraq.  That was a trillion dollars and many lives we did not need to lose.

IMO this was the only really titanic mistake that he actually had total control over.  Most of the other stuff you could point to had other players involved.  For example, I've argued on other threads that the Federal Reserve helped screw up the economy more than he did.
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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2009, 09:20:07 PM »

please answer the question:

what was g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?

you may also include a mistake made before 20 jan 2001

discussion on answers welcome
A point of semantics:
-the comparative form "worse" implies that there are only two possible answers.

If I might presume to rephrase the question for you:

what was the worst of g.w.bush's vast assortment of mistakes as president?

My initial thought was his choice of running mate co-president, but that happened before
the election, and someone else probably made the choice for him.
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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2009, 01:42:26 AM »

The worst mistake was not his. Electing him was an error committed by the people.
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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2009, 01:47:06 AM »

Pressuring the reserve bank to lower interest rates so he could afford to fight a rediculious and unecessary war and crippling the American economy for the next century as a result.
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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2009, 02:13:24 AM »

The worst mistake was not his. Electing him was an error committed by the people.

you'll never never ever convince me that the people really elected bush.  either time.


Coming to Scotland in 2004....


2000 potential assasins arrested!

WHY THE HELL DID THEY ARREST THEM????


dang.  we could have had him gone then.....
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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2009, 11:30:25 AM »

I think we are the ones who made the mistake. His administration was so out of order and out of control, and we barely protested. All we did was bitch. We let him get away with literal murder. The fact that he is not in prison right now is a failure of the American people.
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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2009, 03:48:05 PM »

Pressuring the reserve bank to lower interest rates so he could afford to fight a rediculious and unecessary war and crippling the American economy for the next century as a result.

this was a tragedy but I still primarily blame Greenspan for keeping interest rates too low.  Bush really did not have much to hold over his head.
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2009, 06:30:41 PM »

I think we are the ones who made the mistake. His administration was so out of order and out of control, and we barely protested. All we did was bitch. We let him get away with literal murder. The fact that he is not in prison right now is a failure of the American people.

i'm old enough to remember the fights at the gas stations when the fuel crisis hit in the seventies.  when this past fuel hike happened (they blamed it on the hurricanes), i sat in the 'gas line' on my bike wondering how in the hell americans were putting up with this shit, and if i should get them all started by throwing a rock or something.  orderly, calm lines, waiting patiently for hours for a tank of gas that was twice and three times what it should have cost.  where was the rage?  where was the american assholery that wants everything, and wants it now--and for free?

meanwhile, we had a guy in the white house we never even elected, and we put up with that, too.  we deserve whatever happens to us.

i'm worried about us, and for more reasons than just the fact that we labor under the pretense that democracy works.
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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2009, 10:51:37 AM »

Not getting the U.S. constitution ammended so he could reign forever as our Supreme Emperer.

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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2009, 08:25:01 PM »

Supreme don't need no stinking constitution.
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2009, 12:17:46 PM »

Supreme don't need no stinking constitution.
Tru dat...

He'd just get Johnny "Consigliere" Yoo to write him a note saying that particular passage
doesn't apply to him.  If his lawyer says it's legal, it must be legal.
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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2009, 11:15:54 PM »

Ag, even with all of your countries flaws, you have one of the best functioning democracies in the world.
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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2009, 12:24:35 AM »

Ag, even with all of your countries flaws, you have one of the best functioning democracies in the world.
i promise i am not as cynical as i sound, and that in the end i am appreciative of what i do have in this country, which is a lot.  i'm just exasperated daily by people, and that's exacerbated by living in alabama.  you know how many jokes end with (or take place in) alabama?  it's really no worse than anywhere else; in fact i kind of feel proud of it for hanging its problems (and giant faux pas) in the front window like it has, rather than hide them or pretend they didn't happen, like a lot of the country has a tendency to do.

you know the thing i have seen that most consistently draws americans together is disasters.

but then you have assholes like the one electoral college member of our three who says, 'i really don't care what the popular vote in alabama is or who they choose, i am casting MY vote for george bush' and i want to start burning down federal buildings and screaming for a governmental upheaval all over again.  sometimes i think we need a monarchy, also.  sometimes i think we would benefit from a good dictatorship we have to overthrow.

it's a cycle that works for me...
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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2009, 12:27:59 AM »

Pssst, Aggie...

Y'all have 9 Electoral Votes...   O0
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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2009, 12:28:20 AM »

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« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2009, 12:34:40 AM »

Follow-up...

Are you sure about that elector?  The last time I can find a record of a "faithless Elector"
was in 2000, when the Elector from DC simply didn't cast her vote (to protest DC's lack of
Congressional representation).  Did the guy actually vote the wrong way, or just threaten to?
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« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2009, 12:46:51 AM »

oh, in the end the popular vote was bush, so it didn't even matter.

i actually heard it from a guy commenting on things he ought to have known about.  i dated a niece of a republican senator or governor or something i'm not willing to specify in public of this great state and it was a personal commentary of someone working for that office i was privy to, or it never would have even registered in my memory, to be honest. 

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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2009, 04:28:33 PM »

please answer the question:

what was g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?

you may also include a mistake made before 20 jan 2001

discussion on answers welcome
A point of semantics:
-the comparative form "worse" implies that there are only two possible answers.

If I might presume to rephrase the question for you:

what was the worst of g.w.bush's vast assortment of mistakes as president?

My initial thought was his choice of running mate co-president, but that happened before
the election, and someone else probably made the choice for him.

that was and remains my answer to the question i started this thread with:

choosing cheney as vp was g.w.b.'s worst mistake

his second was listening to cheney too much,
and letting cheney have too much independent power

cheney/rumsfeld/wolfie were all likely to play some role in g.w.b.'s
administration, as they had served in prior administrations,
and were still not too old to serve

sadly, they were among the more hawish and less thoughtful of g.w.b.'s father's advisors.
e.g. brent scowcroft would not have advised going into iraq

cheney/et al advice lead us into iraq,
limited resources to really solve the problem in afghanistan,
curtailed civil liberties,
etc.

one of the iotas of respect i have
for g.w.b. is that he said no to cheney/et al
a number of times



not clear if there was maneuvering or not by outsiders for cheney to be vp

the news @ the time, was that g.w.b. choose cheney to head his vp search
committee, and was so impressed by cheney's effort that he asked cheney to be vp
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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2009, 04:54:38 PM »

Not being a smooth talking socialist bandwagon Steelers fan.
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« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2009, 05:20:03 PM »

Going into politics, obviously.
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« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2009, 09:49:37 PM »

Not being a smooth talking socialist bandwagon Steelers fan.
One of the things that always amazed me about Dubya is how someone so totally not a
"smooth talker"managed to pull off so many things that we'd otherwise just chalk up to
smooth talking.....
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« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2009, 02:33:50 AM »

Not being a smooth talking socialist bandwagon Steelers fan.
One of the things that always amazed me about Dubya is how someone so totally not a
"smooth talker"managed to pull off so many things that we'd otherwise just chalk up to
smooth talking.....

Being born into the right social-economic circumstance is usually a greater asset than anything a person does or says. It is only those who aren't born into positions of power that need to develop rhetorical and negotiational skills in order to get somewhere.
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« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2009, 04:08:32 AM »

Not being a smooth talking socialist bandwagon Steelers fan.
One of the things that always amazed me about Dubya is how someone so totally not a
"smooth talker"managed to pull off so many things that we'd otherwise just chalk up to
smooth talking.....

Being born into the right social-economic circumstance is usually a greater asset than anything a person does or says. It is only those who aren't born into positions of power that need to develop rhetorical and negotiational skills in order to get somewhere.

then how do you explain those skills in people like franklin roosevelt or nelson rockfeller?
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« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2009, 04:56:12 AM »

Not being a smooth talking socialist bandwagon Steelers fan.
One of the things that always amazed me about Dubya is how someone so totally not a
"smooth talker"managed to pull off so many things that we'd otherwise just chalk up to
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Being born into the right social-economic circumstance is usually a greater asset than anything a person does or says. It is only those who aren't born into positions of power that need to develop rhetorical and negotiational skills in order to get somewhere.

then how do you explain those skills in people like franklin roosevelt or nelson rockfeller?

Or JFK? Good Question. They are either outsiders in some other regard or they develop those skills despite the lack of a great need to do so.
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« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2009, 03:35:06 PM »

I'd like to see all you be president for awhile. See how things turn out in the end.
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« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2009, 07:45:53 PM »

I'd like to see all you be president for awhile. See how things turn out in the end.

I'd be a poor President...

I'd also be sub-standard as a Major-League ballplayer, electrician, stage-actor, or even bricklayer.

Nevertheless, I can tell you when someone doing one of those jobs is clearly unqualified and
incompetent, even if they still do the job better than I could.
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« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2009, 11:38:07 PM »

I'd like to see all you be president for awhile. See how things turn out in the end.

see how long it would take me to declare a state of emergency, giving myself absolute power, and then cracking down on reform in a manner the world hasn't seen for a thousand years.  i would reintroduce the guillotine, for one thing, collect an amazing harem, and then the emo purges......

you know, it is a good thing i am nowhere near a position of power, come to think of it.  but, george bush was still a douche.
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« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2009, 11:31:42 AM »

I would exclude myself from the WIC program!

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« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2009, 12:16:56 PM »

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« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2009, 01:26:57 PM »


Or JFK? Good Question. They are either outsiders in some other regard or they develop those skills despite the lack of a great need to do so.
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Within the realm of any socio-economic spectrum, there is competition. There is always an advantage (or need, relative to one's objectives) in possessing skills of analysis and articulation. The value of such skills, in many cases, will be affected by one's backgrounds and opportunities (althoughI doubt it is so simple and linear as the model being suggested), but your use of an absolute like "only" blew the whole idea into the realm of falsity.
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Or JFK? Good Question. They are either outsiders in some other regard or they develop those skills despite the lack of a great need to do so.


Within the realm of any socio-economic spectrum, there is competition. There is always an advantage (or need, relative to one's objectives) in possessing skills of analysis and articulation. The value of such skills, in many cases, will be affected by one's backgrounds and opportunities (althoughI doubt it is so simple and linear as the model being suggested), but your use of an absolute like "only" blew the whole idea into the realm of falsity.
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« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2009, 02:32:31 PM »

Bush made no mistakes. The mistakes were the Democrats in congress and the people of the United States of America.
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« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2009, 02:55:53 PM »

Bush made no mistakes. The mistakes were the Democrats in congress and the people of the United States of America.
...and of France, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and North Korea (in that order).

Oh, and Russia, China, Great Britain (what were they thinking?  Nobody would ever have
guessed that all the Iraq WMD intel was made up if they'd just kept their damn mouths
shut)....  That whole 'U.N.' outfit... What a bunch of sissies.

The lightweights in the Pentagon who kept insisting that Islamist fanatics wouldn't respond
to torture the way we wanted (and who made "torture" a bad word anyway?)

And those busybody judges who just wouldn't shut up about "rights"...  The only rights
that matter are my right to keep and bear arms.  If the Vice President (and his associate
The President, of course) want to put people in secret prisons, it's nobody else's biz.
These psychos aren't "Prisoners of War" so DOD and the Red Cross need to shut the f up,
and they're not "criminal defendants", they're DETAINEES and unlawful combatants, so the
lawyers and judges likewise need to stfu and let Dick & Dubya keep us all safe from oppression.
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« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2009, 06:12:31 PM »

nope. the fault didn't go beyond what I mentioned. Only one member of the senate voted against the PATRIOT Act (Russ Feingold), though it was obvious none of them had the time to read the entirety of the act.

The Democrats ran out a bad candidate, an obviously duplicitous candidate, content upon windsurfing their way through the election. And half of all voters, who had all that info out there for them, including the swiftboating, bought into it, giving W the win.

You can pretend all you want that W wasn't elected twice.

Sorry. Too bad. Wake up from you self-delusion. W was elected twice. Period.

If you think that sucks, you might want to ask yourself what exactly did you do to prevent it, either in 2000 or 2004.

Me? I voted for W in 2000. I PROUDLY voted for Bush in 2000. That is just how low an opinion of Al Gore Jr. I have as a politician.

I voted Kerry in 2004 simply as a vote of "no confidence" in our current president, not because he wowed me. The only thing that wowed me in 2004 was the Barack Obama keynote speech at the DNC.
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« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2009, 07:40:16 PM »

I've missed you N.U.!
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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2009, 11:30:14 PM »

nope. the fault didn't go beyond what I mentioned. Only one member of the senate voted against the PATRIOT Act (Russ Feingold), though it was obvious none of them had the time to read the entirety of the act.

The Democrats ran out a bad candidate, an obviously duplicitous candidate, content upon windsurfing their way through the election. And half of all voters, who had all that info out there for them, including the swiftboating, bought into it, giving W the win.

You can pretend all you want that W wasn't elected twice.

Sorry. Too bad. Wake up from you self-delusion. W was elected twice. Period.

If you think that sucks, you might want to ask yourself what exactly did you do to prevent it, either in 2000 or 2004.

Me? I voted for W in 2000. I PROUDLY voted for Bush in 2000. That is just how low an opinion of Al Gore Jr. I have as a politician.

I voted Kerry in 2004 simply as a vote of "no confidence" in our current president, not because he wowed me. The only thing that wowed me in 2004 was the Barack Obama keynote speech at the DNC.
I never said he wasn't elected...  certainly he won the second time around.

So was Hitler.  [what's the somethingorother-effect?]

That he was elected in no way changes the fact that he was a fuck-up as Vice President
(cuz lets face it, up to mid-07, Cheney was calling the shots).
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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2009, 05:45:13 PM »

We're not going to buy into ANY of this.

Bush was elected as President.

Cheney was elected as Vice President.

The Bush administration were a bunch of well-tenured Washington insiders who bullied the Democrats in both houses of Congress.

And the Democrats in congress let themselves be bullied!

My point is this: Bush is a great smokescreen for the failings of the Democratic party, but Bush wasn't a fuck-up. Bush did everything and anything he wanted to do without any protest from the legislative branch.

There are also 6 presidents that Bush will rate higher than in terms of "being a good president"
1. James Buchanon - He did nothing to prevent the oncoming Civil War, pissing off the South to the point that all it took as Lincoln bein gelected for the Civil War to start.
2. Franklin Pierce - From New Hampshire, Southern Sympathizer, repealed the Missouri Compromise, opening up the possibility of slavery in the West. He set events in motion that led directly to the Civil War. Also a distant relation of Barbara Bush, George W. Bush's mother.
3. Warren G. Harding - was popular until the Teapot Dome scandal was exposed after his death. Arguably the most corrupt administration in US History.
4. Herbert Hoover - did nothign to stop, slow, or mitigate the oncoming Great Depression, going so far as to order the Army to roust a bunch of homeless WWI vets living in a tent city (known then as "Hoovervilles") across the Potomac from Washington DC.
5. Richard M. Nixon - Sadly it's my opinion that if not for Watergate, he woudl be viewed as one of the most successful presidents of the 20th century. If not for Watergate, he would be remembered for ending the Vietnam War, opening relations with China, and negotiating both the anti-ballistic missile treaty and the policy of detente between the USSR and the US during the height of the Cold War.
That being said, Nixon = bad because of Watergate.
6. Calvin Coolidge - the president who I most closely associate W. with. Did nothing to prevent the oncoming Depression and left Hoover to deal with the cleanup, both irresponsible positions to take.
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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2009, 05:59:37 PM »

nothing anyone can say will convince me that gwb was elected either fairly, or correctly, or above-board.  the electoral college is unconstitutional and should be abolished, but the miscounting or falsification of votes, being as easy as it has been, was also a factor.
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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2009, 06:33:01 PM »

nothing anyone can say will convince me that gwb was elected either fairly, or correctly, or above-board.  the electoral college is unconstitutional and should be abolished, but the miscounting or falsification of votes, being as easy as it has been, was also a factor.

Then I have nothing to say to you. If you're content to sit there like a child with their fingers in their ears, yelling, "LALALALALALALA," then don't let me disturb you.

However, let me point out the glaring flaw in your above statement.

US Constitution Article 2, section 1. By it's very appearance in the US Constitution, that makes it completely constitutional. It was also been updated in the 12th, 14th, and 24th Amendments to the US Constitution, which only further makes your statement look like you skipped US History.

BTW, it took all of 15 seconds to find the information that I posted here via Google.

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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2009, 06:50:22 PM »

Where ever you went while you were gone...was a wonderful place.
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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2009, 07:16:01 PM »

nothing anyone can say will convince me that gwb was elected either fairly, or correctly, or above-board.  the electoral college is unconstitutional and should be abolished, but the miscounting or falsification of votes, being as easy as it has been, was also a factor.

Then I have nothing to say to you. If you're content to sit there like a child with their fingers in their ears, yelling, "LALALALALALALA," then don't let me disturb you.

However, let me point out the glaring flaw in your above statement.

US Constitution Article 2, section 1. By it's very appearance in the US Constitution, that makes it completely constitutional. It was also been updated in the 12th, 14th, and 24th Amendments to the US Constitution, which only further makes your statement look like you skipped US History.

BTW, it took all of 15 seconds to find the information that I posted here via Google.
Alas, he's right about the Electoral College.  (To which I would append that I believe all 50 states
should adopt the system used by Maine and Nebraska, which allocates the majority of a state's
electors on a district-by-district basis [which, in turn would necessitate an end to the current
incumbent-protection system of districting] rather than the current winner-take-all system that
really does render most of our votes utterly irrelevant.)

Also, despite his many failings, and the scandal that brought him down (which pales in comparison
to the exploits of some of his successors), Nixon was a very effective President.  He wasn't afraid
to engage in diplomacy with "our enemies" or to admit that South Vietnam was unsustainable.  He
made tough calls, and stuck by them...  and then he sent a bunch of idiots to spy on the Dems to
make sure he had an inside track for reelection.... 
In the immortal words of H.J.Simpson - "D'Oh!:BangHead:
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Re: g.w.bush's worse mistake as president?
« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2009, 01:46:08 PM »

"This is just the madness of king George. Yo George."

At least he made for a good Tori Amos song
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