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[CeeGBee]

Okay, I really have nothing (well not much) against Coldplay, but I finally tracked down
that nagging sense of "I've heard this song before" that I always get when I hear their
new "hit single" Life In Technicolor II...

Yes, we all know by now that they plagiarized a large bit of Viva La Vida from someone
(who had, it turns out, stolen it from someone else, and him from someone else before that...)
...but this isn't even subtle:

First, enjoy a few moments of Punch & Judy, then listen to the Coldplay intro:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/fXSovfzyx28" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/fXSovfzyx28</a>

....then a few seconds of Fairground Attraction's Find My Love (©1988)
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/InNMprncrTs" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/InNMprncrTs</a>


Then, after you've agreed with me, you may venture forth on whatever tangents you wish.
Thank you.

[imaginary friend]

saw them back in June. way better than I'd thought they'd be. well worth the $35. 

#@!

[CeeGBee]

saw them back in June. way better than I'd thought they'd be. well worth the $35. 

#@!

No no no... 
First you agree with me...  Something like "wow, they really did just totally steal that bit..."


THEN you can tell us how they're not so bad in a fast-food-music sort of way...

Sheesh, you ask people to do one simple thing....

[Chay]

i saw them back in june, too. that was the second time i had seen them. the tickets were $97 ($125 after fees) and it was well worth it.
although, yes, some of their music gets overplayed sometimes... fuck, they put on a REALLY good show!!

[caddy]

You're falling fast, Cee.  Better pick up the pace.

[yosmark]

They fucking suck, one of the worst bands I have listened to ... I shall quote that Coldplay joke again.

Elizabeth Fritzl's Diary

Monday Stayed in the basement, got fucked by Dad

Tuesday Stayed in the basement, got fucked by Dad

Wednesday Stayed in the basement, got fucked by Dad

Thursday Went to see Coldplay in concert, should of stayed at home!

[Cheddars Cousin]

They fucking suck, one of the worst bands I have listened to ... I shall quote that Coldplay joke again.

Elizabeth Fritzl's Diary

Monday Stayed in the basement, got fucked by Dad

Tuesday Stayed in the basement, got fucked by Dad

Wednesday Stayed in the basement, got fucked by Dad

Thursday Went to see Coldplay in concert, should of stayed at home!

And again...

[CeeGBee]

You're falling fast, Cee.  Better pick up the pace.

Not really...  I just wanted to make the one observation about yet another stolen song, but
it didn't fit in an existing thread, nor did it really warrant its own thread...

...so I made a more general thread, said my bit, and left the rest to people with strong feelings
about bands with a pleasant sound, lyrics that seem like they ought to be really meaningful, and
really catchy plagiarized hooks...

[Wednesday Friday]

I for one can totally get on board with this thread Cee! At best, I consider Coldplay to be generic, bland, whiny and utterly unoriginal. At worst, I think the band could be viewed as a cynical exercise in commercialism, creating a product so blandly inoffensive with pseudo-meaningful lyrics so prosaic that mass audiences are convinced that they "relate" to them. But I don't think Chris Martin is actually that smart.

*bashes*

[Andy Pants]

Coldplay are twice as good as radiohead!

That isn't saying much!

[yosmark]

Coldplay are twice as good as radiohead!

That isn't saying much!

Considering Radiohead is good at sucking well yeah coldplay is twice as good as Radiohead.

[Wednesday Friday]

Coldplay are twice as good as radiohead!

That isn't saying much!

is that a joke?

[MeAndMyCharms]

Argh, Coldplay does nothing for me at all. I saw them live at Splendour In The Grass a few years back. It was all just white noise to me..

[Andy Pants]

Coldplay are twice as good as radiohead!

That isn't saying much!

is that a joke?

No, I happen to think that radiohead are the worst headlining band in the world. It's all bland crappy mope-rock. The only difference between the two bands is that coldplay has a higher hit-rate from album to album and doesn't have shitty pretentious instrumentation on every song. Oh and coldplay know how to make a song finish, so they've got that going for them aswell. Almost all radiohead songs overstay there welcome

[jupiter or japan]

I like Coldplay, and am completly un-ashamed of it. Maybe they are not the most original band (and no, I'm not talking about their alleged direct rip-offs), just that they sort of took U2 and early Radiohead and made it their sound. Since I like both those bands, and they don't sound that way anymore, I'm glad someone is out there just making good pop-rock songs.

Meanwhile, I get to enjoy Radiohead go off on tangents, and see Bono tear apart U-2's legacy one song at a time. It is win-win for me.

[Paul Jon]

I quite liked Parachutes for a while, even though it's more or less an entire album of breakup songs. After that, they were adopted by Tinseltown and with success goes a decline in quality as usual. These days Chris Martin, who used to be a nice bloke, is yet another away-with-the-faeries solipsistic celeb complete with kids with stupid names.

[Wednesday Friday]

Coldplay are twice as good as radiohead!

That isn't saying much!

is that a joke?

No, I happen to think that radiohead are the worst headlining band in the world. It's all bland crappy mope-rock. The only difference between the two bands is that coldplay has a higher hit-rate from album to album and doesn't have shitty pretentious instrumentation on every song. Oh and coldplay know how to make a song finish, so they've got that going for them aswell. Almost all radiohead songs overstay there welcome

Wow umm I pretty much disagree with everything you said there...firstly, in terms of lyrical content and instrumentation, Radiohead is far, far superior to Coldplay. They're not even in the same league. Like I don't know how anyone who's actually listened to OK Computer could even consider it a contest. And "shitty pretentious instrumentation" you say...well not everything needs to be pared back and minimalist (although many Radiohead songs actually are). But if you want a prime example of "shitty pretentious instrumentation", go treat your ears to the bombast of Viva La Vida. 

And who gives a fuck if it's "mope-rock", their music might explore sadness, alienation etc., but it does it in an eloquent and thought provoking way. That's not a pejorative term for me. I don't see why music expressing those emotions is any less valid than the anger or frustration a genre like punk rock is largely concerned with.

[Mark!]

if amanda likes radiohead, you should like radiohead 

[CeeGBee]

if amanda likes radiohead, you should like radiohead 

This is not true, and I suspect (is this irony?) that Amanda would agree with me....

[Agonistes]

i hate coldplay.

[Mark!]

if amanda likes radiohead, you should like radiohead 

This is not true, and I suspect (is this irony?) that Amanda would agree with me....

was a joke

[CeeGBee]

if amanda likes radiohead, you should like radiohead 

This is not true, and I suspect (is this irony?) that Amanda would agree with me....

was a joke

You were supposed to make it green....


Anyway, does Amanda like Coldplay?

[Mark!]

if amanda likes radiohead, you should like radiohead 

This is not true, and I suspect (is this irony?) that Amanda would agree with me....

was a joke

You were supposed to make it green....


Anyway, does Amanda like Coldplay?

if amanda likes radiohead, you should like radiohead 

[yosmark]

Coldplay are twice as good as radiohead!

That isn't saying much!

is that a joke?

No, I happen to think that radiohead are the worst headlining band in the world. It's all bland crappy mope-rock. The only difference between the two bands is that coldplay has a higher hit-rate from album to album and doesn't have shitty pretentious instrumentation on every song. Oh and coldplay know how to make a song finish, so they've got that going for them aswell. Almost all radiohead songs overstay there welcome

Shitty pretentious instrumentation is a great way to qualify Radiohead.

[Wednesday Friday]

i hate coldplay.

yay back on topic!

[Andy Pants]

Coldplay are twice as good as radiohead!

That isn't saying much!

is that a joke?

No, I happen to think that radiohead are the worst headlining band in the world. It's all bland crappy mope-rock. The only difference between the two bands is that coldplay has a higher hit-rate from album to album and doesn't have shitty pretentious instrumentation on every song. Oh and coldplay know how to make a song finish, so they've got that going for them aswell. Almost all radiohead songs overstay there welcome

Wow umm I pretty much disagree with everything you said there...firstly, in terms of lyrical content and instrumentation, Radiohead is far, far superior to Coldplay.

Here is an example of a radiohead lyric...

"I laugh until my head comes off"

Hey, I see what you mean. WHAT DEPTH! WHAT INSIGHT! OH MY GOD IT'S BETTER THAN YEATS!

Radioheads lyrics are shit, lazy nonsense that only get away with being terrible because they masquerade as being abstract. Real  abstraction means something has multiple meanings as opposed to no meaning whatsoever. Read that line again, it's not even a metaphor for anything, it's not clever, it's just stupid. If you've ever listened to the lyrics in a radiohead song they constantly veer so far off topic I've come to believe that Thom Yorke has ADHD. He is incapable of writing a song about any one thing or even similar subject matter and always seems to give up less than halfway through.

As for the instrumentation, just because it's different doesn't mean it's good. In fact it's persistently jarring and terrible. Radiohead define themselves as an "experimental" band and so they have to constantly prove how "different" and "alternative" they are. Seeing as they can't do anything remotely interesting with their songwriting, the best way to do this is with retatrded instrumentation. Nine tenths of the instrumentation on A-Kid fails. I don't know how any of those ideas got past the production stage. I presume they think that stuffing some badly played horns at the wrong tempo into a rock song for two minutes is subverting genre, but the only reason no-one has done it before is because it sounds awful.

They're not even in the same league. Like I don't know how anyone who's actually listened to OK Computer could even consider it a contest. And "shitty pretentious instrumentation" you say...well not everything needs to be pared back and minimalist (although many Radiohead songs actually are). But if you want a prime example of "shitty pretentious instrumentation", go treat your ears to the bombast of Viva La Vida. 

No it's not in the same league. Colplay are definitely better, although they're both awful. If you lined up all the bands which are popular enough to sell out a show side by side in order of quality, coldplay would be the exact middle. They wouldn't be standing a little to the left, they wouldn't be standing a little to the right, they would be the dead centre. They are the mean average by which all other bands in the world are compared. Radiohead would be somewhere near the very end feeding off the crap left behind by everyone else, even though they play more or less the same genre of music. Minimalist instrumenation is better than instrumentation that fails and in actual fact a lot of the instrumenation on Viva La Vida works. It may be pretentious, but you can blame Brian Eno for that, at least it makes sense and works.

And who gives a fuck if it's "mope-rock", their music might explore sadness, alienation etc., but it does it in an eloquent and thought provoking way. That's not a pejorative term for me. I don't see why music expressing those emotions is any less valid than the anger or frustration a genre like punk rock is largely concerned with.

There are only two thoughts that radiohead can possibly provoke in someone listening to them.

"This shit is terrible. Why do people like this?"

And

"I am so hip for listening to this right now."

Eloquent my ass. The lyrics are jarring, the instrumenation is jarring, Thom Yorkes crappy mumbly singing voice is jarring and it all forms one big horrible annoying mess. It's less valid not because it expresses misery, but because it fails to do so and just comes out mopey, whiney and pathetic. I am a post-punk fan by the way, not a oi-punk fan, so the music I listen to probably has more to do with sadness and alienation than anger and frustration.

[Wednesday Friday]

Here is an example of a radiohead lyric...

"I laugh until my head comes off"

Hey, I see what you mean. WHAT DEPTH! WHAT INSIGHT! OH MY GOD IT'S BETTER THAN YEATS!
 

Pretty much every single great band or songwriter you can think of has also produced songs or lyrics that are below par. It's kind of unfair and pointless to take such an isolated example and pass it off as a synecdoche for their entire work.

Here are some examples I'd choose: Karma Police, Exit Music (For a Film), Creep, My Iron Lung, Fake Plastic Trees. They marry the lyrics and instrumentation so well and create an interesting and moving atmosphere. If you think that's "jarring"...well, I'd certainly like to hear your recommendations of music that's perfectly seamless.

I'm not the biggest Radiohead fan or anything, but I do appreciate a lot of what they've done and recognise the important influence they've had on an area of popular music. I just think the claim that Coldplay is a better band is completely ludicrous. Not to mention the fact that Chris Martin has said many times that he idolises Thom Yorke and actively attempts to rip-off Radiohead in his songs. Coldplay is quite obviously the poor man's Radiohead. Radiohead can be subtle and delicate, Coldplay has all the subtlety and nuance of a jackhammer. Radiohead has substance, Coldplay is just an empty simulacrum.

"I am so hip for listening to this right now."
 

And Radiohead is 'hip'? Really? I don't think so.

Also in terms of them being "the worst headlining band in the world"...well I've never seen Radiohead live, but from the documentary footage I've seen and the anecdotal accounts I've heard, they're pretty transcendent live.

Anyway, I can see we're not going to come to any agreement on this, so whatever.

[Andy Pants]

Here is an example of a radiohead lyric...

"I laugh until my head comes off"

Hey, I see what you mean. WHAT DEPTH! WHAT INSIGHT! OH MY GOD IT'S BETTER THAN YEATS!
 

Pretty much every single great band or songwriter you can think of has also produced songs or lyrics that are below par. It's kind of unfair and pointless to take such an isolated example and pass it off as a synecdoche for their entire work.

Here are some examples I'd choose: Karma Police, Exit Music (For a Film), Creep, My Iron Lung, Fake Plastic Trees. They marry the lyrics and instrumentation so well and create an interesting and moving atmosphere. If you think that's "jarring"...well, I'd certainly like to hear your recommendations of music that's perfectly seamless.

All of those songs have shitty lyrics. Creep even uses the phrase "I'm a weirdo". Wow, what a fucking deep and interesting expression of sadness and alienation, not trite or uninspired at all. I also think even the most avid radiohead fan would admit that they completely fail at sustaining any kind of atmosphere. The mood changes so much within a song it's rediculous. There's no such thing as a band with perfectly seamless music, but I could recommend you a band that is fairly sucessful and at least does a better job than radiohead, they're called fucking coldplay. Nobody has ever been alienated by a colplay song, unless they were just trying to be pretentious with their musical tastes. Hating colplay is like hating the colour white, seeing nothing wrong with a band like radiohead is like seeing nothing wrong with the colour of poo. I don't know of anyone who given the choice between the two would rather paint their room poo brown.

I'm not the biggest Radiohead fan or anything, but I do appreciate a lot of what they've done and recognise the important influence they've had on an area of popular music. I just think the claim that Coldplay is a better band is completely ludicrous. Not to mention the fact that Chris Martin has said many times that he idolises Thom Yorke and actively attempts to rip-off Radiohead in his songs. Coldplay is quite obviously the poor man's Radiohead. Radiohead can be subtle and delicate, Coldplay has all the subtlety and nuance of a jackhammer. Radiohead has substance, Coldplay is just an empty simulacrum.

You haven't even critically evaluated their work. What is wrong with you? Think for yourself! This is the only reason anyone listens to this shitty band. People think they've somehow actually suceeded in creating something interesting that other people like and they don't want to seem out of place by questioning it.

"I am so hip for listening to this right now."

And Radiohead is 'hip'? Really? I don't think so.

They are the worst bullshit hipster band in the world.

I'm going to ignore your use of the word "transcendant" to describe a fucking band.

[Tiervexx]

Neither Radiohead nor coldplay are really my type of music but I do like the song creep.

[yosmark]

Neither Radiohead nor coldplay are really my type of music but I do like the song creep.

I do enjoy A's cover but I do not like Radiohead's version don't know why ... and paranoid android's video has to be the most boring annoying video ever made.

[Agonistes]

i dislike radiohead and coldplay.  when amanda played 'creep' at her concert i attended in birmingham, i had never heard it before, had no idea where she might have got it from, figured maybe she wrote it.  i listened to it later because a friend who knows music told me why everyone laughed delightedly when she covered that song on a ukelele, and liked her version better.

[Wednesday Friday]

Creep even uses the phrase "I'm a weirdo". Wow, what a fucking deep and interesting expression of sadness and alienation, not trite or uninspired at all.

LOL. I'm pretty sure "I'm a creep, I'm a weirdo" is intended in a somewhat ironic sense...I find it amusing, it's reclaiming terms that people sling as insults in a wryly self-deprecating way. I don't think it's attempting to be some overly deep and meaningful expression of sadness. You might want to try investing in a sense of humour perhaps.

Hating colplay is like hating the colour white, seeing nothing wrong with a band like radiohead is like seeing nothing wrong with the colour of poo. I don't know of anyone who given the choice between the two would rather paint their room poo brown.

That's a really bullshit analogy. And I don't "hate" Coldplay, in fact I've even been to one of their concerts. I think they're completely blah, for reasons already stated, and I think it's a sad comment on the state of popular music that they're probably 'the biggest band in the world' right now. And yeah, I never said there was "nothing wrong" with Radiohead. That's a ridiculous thing to say about anything, and I actually concede to many criticisms about even my most favourite bands/musicians. I merely stated that they are far superior to Coldplay, and I've clearly delineated the reasons why I think this and provided examples, and I don't feel I need to re-state myself.  And no, I'm not going to do full page analysis of their song lyrics for you, because I frankly don't care enough about this topic to bother. But feel free to keep clinging to your claim that Coldplay are better than Radiohead, which seems to mostly spring from some imagined notion of pretentiousness and hipsterdom you ascribe to Radiohead, regardless of actual musical quality.

And I'm SO tired of people throwing around the words "hipster" and "pretentious", they're such fucking lazy, knee jerk attempts at criticism. Seriously, you talk about "pretentious instrumentation". Maybe you could provide a list of "pretentious" instruments as well, so I know what to steer clear of. Yeah, like all bands should only consist of drums and guitars, and play their songs in 4/4 time signature, so as not to appear "pretentious". And what's most ironic, is that more often than not the people using such terms are actually the ones with pretentious attitudes and high, misguided opinions of themselves.

I'm going to ignore your use of the word "transcendant" to describe a fucking band.

Maybe that was a bit wanky, definitely not as bad as trying to incorporate non-words like 'subferior' into everyday conversation, though.

[Andy Pants]

Writing crap lyrics isn't funny and the instrumenation is pretentious because it's seemingly random and doesn't work. It's only there to be different. The rest of your arguments are pathetic attempts to flame me. So that's all.

[Wednesday Friday]

^ Wrong. Not trying to flame you, just responding to your asshole-ish manner in kind.

[CeeGBee]

You'd think with all the money from their way-commercial records, one or the other
might have the price of a disposable razor.... 

[Chay]

haha, i think amanda would be proud of this thread. she stated that one time about how she loved how her fans are able to have PARAGRAPH length conversations and debates... i think this would fall under that category.

i think that's why i like the box so much, too... everyone has their own opinions and are willing to elaborate in an intelligent manner and everyone (for the most part) respects that.

i love this place almost as much as i love coldplay... :p

[rabsy100]

I like Coldplay sometimes.

I grew up with them as my parents love them.n
And they are my boyfriends favourite band..
(maybe my mind has altered my brain so it can handle them?)

I can understand why people dont like them, they are quite deperessing alot of the time, but I think they make a good sound.
I don't really think any music is bad as bands make their music for people who like that sort of stuff.

Along with all the people who hate them they have alot of people who love them.. seeing as they are quite famous now.

I listen to them from time to time.

 

[Cheddars Cousin]

A lot of people loved Hitler too.

[Paul Jon]

Coldplay want the Sudetenland.

[yosmark]

^ Wrong. Not trying to flame you, just responding to your asshole-ish manner in kind.

Greater or equal?

[Agonistes]

A lot of people loved Hitler too.

godwin's law, dude.

[Morpheus Laughing]

A lot of people loved Hitler too.

godwin's law, dude.

Godwin's law is so true, but will there be a counter law about godwins law? Is there a law about people mentioning a counter law? How did other war criminals avoid special laws?

Do I have to be really bad to get my own law?

[Holmes]

coldplay is music for bed-wetters.
want to hate radiohead? make your own thread for it

[Agonistes]

A lot of people loved Hitler too.

godwin's law, dude.

Godwin's law is so true, but will there be a counter law about godwins law? Is there a law about people mentioning a counter law? How did other war criminals avoid special laws?

Do I have to be really bad to get my own law?

i am not sure if there is a counter-law to godwin's law, but there is a counter-spell.  the spitting three times and counterclockwise turning is pretty easy, but it isn't easy to sacrifice a chicken on a message board.

there is a law about mentioning the counter-law, unfortunately.  paragraph nine, sub-paragraph 4-a, section six, just below the lolcats etiquette penalties in 'teh couchsurfer's guide to teh internetz'

most war criminals avoid prosecution by ending up in a ditch on fire.  at least hitler did.  or some guy who said he was hitler.

i am not sure how you get your own law. maybe if you make music so bad that it kills nine million people or so, but so far coldplay's record is a little short of that, so they don't have a law yet.

[CeeGBee]

most war criminals avoid prosecution by winning the war.

Fixed, just as a technical point.

See also:
Curtis Lemay
Sir Arthur "Bomber" Harris
George W. Bush
Stalin

(Now, if you want an exciting new corrolary to Godwin's Law, how about one involving comparisons
to Stalin, who was just as bad as Hitler, but largely gets a pass because he was on "our" side...  In
message board usage, it could be used to apply to people who will lose the argument on on the points,
but "win" simply because theey're more popular than whoever's on the other side. You have my permission
to call it Cee's Law)

[The Angel Raliel]

Fairground attraction were far more talented

[imaginary friend]

  at this thread

#@!

[CeeGBee]

Fairground attraction were far more talented

Don't even get me started...

I've just recently acquired a couple of live recordings... 
I could honestly listen to Eddi  just read the phone book, 'scuse me foon book, and be happy.... 

[Haushinka]

Neither Coldplay or Radioheadare particularly inspiring for me. I don't actually hate either band. I do FUCKING HATE Chris Martin though. But Andypants, you're just making argument for the sake of it. To put in another way what you've said really, is for me to say "Well, I fucking HATE Joy Division, it's like Poo BROWN!OMG!". I can't stand arguing for arguments sake.

[Andy Pants]

Neither Coldplay or Radioheadare particularly inspiring for me. I don't actually hate either band. I do FUCKING HATE Chris Martin though. But Andypants, you're just making argument for the sake of it. To put in another way what you've said really, is for me to say "Well, I fucking HATE Joy Division, it's like Poo BROWN!OMG!". I can't stand arguing for arguments sake.

All arguments exist for arguments sake.

The point I was trying to make is that it's become somehow cool to rip on coldplay just because they make a particular style of music, when they're actually not that bad. I don't think they've ever claimed to have any intention of making anything other than pop music and so I believe their music should be judged on it's own merits, as opposed to being judge simply for being pop music. Who cares how poppy it is? Who cares if its made for the intention of mass appeal? Is it succesful at being what it is? Does it appeal to a large group of people whilst also conveying simple genuine sentiments? Is it interesting enough to be distinctive but not alienate it's intended audience? The answer is yes to all of these things. Whereas Radiohead, a band which shares several similarities and is much less successful when it comes to actually writing decent songs, is incapable of being criticised just because they play alternative music and define themselves as being different. It isn't cool to voice your distaste for them simply becasuse the style of music they make is more fashionable, even though it's frequently utter crap. Coldplay are more successful within their chosen genre and so they are, in my opinion, a better band than radiohead. Anyone who recognises the former but questions the latter is caught up in some stupid non-conformist philosophy and needs to grow up.

[Haushinka]

Neither Coldplay or Radioheadare particularly inspiring for me. I don't actually hate either band. I do FUCKING HATE Chris Martin though. But Andypants, you're just making argument for the sake of it. To put in another way what you've said really, is for me to say "Well, I fucking HATE Joy Division, it's like Poo BROWN!OMG!". I can't stand arguing for arguments sake.

All arguments exist for arguments sake.

The point I was trying to make is that it's become somehow cool to rip on coldplay just because they make a particular style of music, when they're actually not that bad. I don't think they've ever claimed to have any intention of making anything other than pop music and so I believe their music should be judged on it's own merits, as opposed to being judge simply for being pop music. Who cares how poppy it is? Who cares if its made for the intention of mass appeal? Is it succesful at being what it is? Does it appeal to a large group of people whilst also conveying simple genuine sentiments? Is it interesting enough to be distinctive but not alienate it's intended audience? The answer is yes to all of these things. Whereas Radiohead, a band which shares several similarities and is much less successful when it comes to actually writing decent songs, is incapable of being criticised just because they play alternative music and define themselves as being different. It isn't cool to voice your distaste for them simply becasuse the style of music they make is more fashionable, even though it's frequently utter crap. Coldplay are more successful within their chosen genre and so they are, in my opinion, a better band than radiohead. Anyone who recognises the former but questions the latter is caught up in some stupid non-conformist philosophy and needs to grow up.

No... Sorry, but no. I would understand how vocal you're being if this was sometihng worth being passionate about (human rights, war, your mother, etc, etc) But this is just Radiohead. They're not offensive in any way! You do seem to stick in my mind as someone who argues a point jus for the sake of offending the people who stand by their opinion. I understand, there are many sides to all arguments, but why do you have to provoke?

[CeeGBee]

All arguments exist for arguments sake.

PunkRocker, you ignorant slut...

You are mistaken, and oddly enough the point is made well by this Monty Python sketch...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/teMlv3ripSM" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/teMlv3ripSM</a>

[Andy Pants]

Neither Coldplay or Radioheadare particularly inspiring for me. I don't actually hate either band. I do FUCKING HATE Chris Martin though. But Andypants, you're just making argument for the sake of it. To put in another way what you've said really, is for me to say "Well, I fucking HATE Joy Division, it's like Poo BROWN!OMG!". I can't stand arguing for arguments sake.

All arguments exist for arguments sake.

The point I was trying to make is that it's become somehow cool to rip on coldplay just because they make a particular style of music, when they're actually not that bad. I don't think they've ever claimed to have any intention of making anything other than pop music and so I believe their music should be judged on it's own merits, as opposed to being judge simply for being pop music. Who cares how poppy it is? Who cares if its made for the intention of mass appeal? Is it succesful at being what it is? Does it appeal to a large group of people whilst also conveying simple genuine sentiments? Is it interesting enough to be distinctive but not alienate it's intended audience? The answer is yes to all of these things. Whereas Radiohead, a band which shares several similarities and is much less successful when it comes to actually writing decent songs, is incapable of being criticised just because they play alternative music and define themselves as being different. It isn't cool to voice your distaste for them simply becasuse the style of music they make is more fashionable, even though it's frequently utter crap. Coldplay are more successful within their chosen genre and so they are, in my opinion, a better band than radiohead. Anyone who recognises the former but questions the latter is caught up in some stupid non-conformist philosophy and needs to grow up.

No... Sorry, but no. I would understand how vocal you're being if this was sometihng worth being passionate about (human rights, war, your mother, etc, etc) But this is just Radiohead. They're not offensive in any way! You do seem to stick in my mind as someone who argues a point jus for the sake of offending the people who stand by their opinion. I understand, there are many sides to all arguments, but why do you have to provoke?

I believe music is something worth being passionate about. You may not feel the same way, but then I don't entirely understand why you're here on this forum, why you read this thread or why you felt the need to add your comment to it.

I was merely offering my opinion, this opinion differs to some of the people here, if that is offensive to you, then you are simply intolerant and a bit of an asshole. Who is offended here other than you? I was actually really enjoying the discussion until you decided to add your idiotic little comment. Why does it offend you to consider an opinion that differs from your own? Are you really that pathetically insecure?

I never said radiohead were offensive, I said they're alienating, but why is that relevant? This is a dicussion on the merits of particular kinds of music. If it's not an important topic to you, then I ask again, why did you feel the need to comment in this thread?

I made a comment, then I was asked to elaborate and so I explained my stance. Someone made a rebuttal and I answered the points they raised. That's how a discussion works. I don't feel that anything I've said has been any more provocative than the creation of the thread in the first place, which in itself wasn't even provocative enough to comment on, so what's the problem?

I think it's interesting that you see me as someone who argues a point in order to offend people, when the only people in this thread to have used personal attacks of any kind were MultiplyDivide (whom I ignored because she actually had some relevant points aswell) and you. I argued my perspective to add something to this discussion, that's all. If you really have a problem with people not all agreeing on topics and simply want people to sprout acceptable established opinions about things I would encourage you to either get off the internet and cut off contact with all people who don't parrot your ideas back to you or just stop being such a wimpy douche.

I think this is your problem to be quite honest. You seem to be very easily offended by things that you give the impression don't really matter to you. But then maybe you just don't like the fact that I criticised radiohead and for some reason you are incapable of coming up with a response that expresses your opinion on the subject, so you decided you would just make a cheap personal attack against me. In any case you can shove your personal criticisms up your arse.  

(By the way, if you found this post offensive that isn't a symptom of you'r wimpy insecurity but rather a response to you being an asshole and offering unecessary personal criticisms for no justifiable reason)

[Andy Pants]

All arguments exist for arguments sake.

PunkRocker, you ignorant slut...

You are mistaken, and oddly enough the point is made well by this Monty Python sketch...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/teMlv3ripSM" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/teMlv3ripSM</a>

Agreed, but I think you'll find I made perfectly valid criticisms and established my perspective clearly, therefore making it an argument. I don't think this video disproves my statement of all arguments being made for arguments sake.

[CeeGBee]

Yes it does.

[Andy Pants]

Yes it does.

No it doesn't.

[CeeGBee]

Yes it does.

No it doesn't.

Of course it does.

[Haushinka]

Neither Coldplay or Radioheadare particularly inspiring for me. I don't actually hate either band. I do FUCKING HATE Chris Martin though. But Andypants, you're just making argument for the sake of it. To put in another way what you've said really, is for me to say "Well, I fucking HATE Joy Division, it's like Poo BROWN!OMG!". I can't stand arguing for arguments sake.

All arguments exist for arguments sake.

The point I was trying to make is that it's become somehow cool to rip on coldplay just because they make a particular style of music, when they're actually not that bad. I don't think they've ever claimed to have any intention of making anything other than pop music and so I believe their music should be judged on it's own merits, as opposed to being judge simply for being pop music. Who cares how poppy it is? Who cares if its made for the intention of mass appeal? Is it succesful at being what it is? Does it appeal to a large group of people whilst also conveying simple genuine sentiments? Is it interesting enough to be distinctive but not alienate it's intended audience? The answer is yes to all of these things. Whereas Radiohead, a band which shares several similarities and is much less successful when it comes to actually writing decent songs, is incapable of being criticised just because they play alternative music and define themselves as being different. It isn't cool to voice your distaste for them simply becasuse the style of music they make is more fashionable, even though it's frequently utter crap. Coldplay are more successful within their chosen genre and so they are, in my opinion, a better band than radiohead. Anyone who recognises the former but questions the latter is caught up in some stupid non-conformist philosophy and needs to grow up.

No... Sorry, but no. I would understand how vocal you're being if this was sometihng worth being passionate about (human rights, war, your mother, etc, etc) But this is just Radiohead. They're not offensive in any way! You do seem to stick in my mind as someone who argues a point jus for the sake of offending the people who stand by their opinion. I understand, there are many sides to all arguments, but why do you have to provoke?

I believe music is something worth being passionate about. You may not feel the same way, but then I don't entirely understand why you're here on this forum, why you read this thread or why you felt the need to add your comment to it.

I was merely offering my opinion, this opinion differs to some of the people here, if that is offensive to you, then you are simply intolerant and a bit of an asshole. Who is offended here other than you? I was actually really enjoying the discussion until you decided to add your idiotic little comment. Why does it offend you to consider an opinion that differs from your own? Are you really that pathetically insecure?

I never said radiohead were offensive, I said they're alienating, but why is that relevant? This is a dicussion on the merits of particular kinds of music. If it's not an important topic to you, then I ask again, why did you feel the need to comment in this thread?

I made a comment, then I was asked to elaborate and so I explained my stance. Someone made a rebuttal and I answered the points they raised. That's how a discussion works. I don't feel that anything I've said has been any more provocative than the creation of the thread in the first place, which in itself wasn't even provocative enough to comment on, so what's the problem?

I think it's interesting that you see me as someone who argues a point in order to offend people, when the only people in this thread to have used personal attacks of any kind were MultiplyDivide (whom I ignored because she actually had some relevant points aswell) and you. I argued my perspective to add something to this discussion, that's all. If you really have a problem with people not all agreeing on topics and simply want people to sprout acceptable established opinions about things I would encourage you to either get off the internet and cut off contact with all people who don't parrot your ideas back to you or just stop being such a wimpy douche.

I think this is your problem to be quite honest. You seem to be very easily offended by things that you give the impression don't really matter to you. But then maybe you just don't like the fact that I criticised radiohead and for some reason you are incapable of coming up with a response that expresses your opinion on the subject, so you decided you would just make a cheap personal attack against me. In any case you can shove your personal criticisms up your arse.  

(By the way, if you found this post offensive that isn't a symptom of you'r wimpy insecurity but rather a response to you being an asshole and offering unecessary personal criticisms for no justifiable reason)

Kinda want to say exactly that back at you. You always seem to express opinions where it's obvious you'll be challenged. I don't really care if you think I'm an asshole, I kinda like being one.

[Andy Pants]

Neither Coldplay or Radioheadare particularly inspiring for me. I don't actually hate either band. I do FUCKING HATE Chris Martin though. But Andypants, you're just making argument for the sake of it. To put in another way what you've said really, is for me to say "Well, I fucking HATE Joy Division, it's like Poo BROWN!OMG!". I can't stand arguing for arguments sake.

All arguments exist for arguments sake.

The point I was trying to make is that it's become somehow cool to rip on coldplay just because they make a particular style of music, when they're actually not that bad. I don't think they've ever claimed to have any intention of making anything other than pop music and so I believe their music should be judged on it's own merits, as opposed to being judge simply for being pop music. Who cares how poppy it is? Who cares if its made for the intention of mass appeal? Is it succesful at being what it is? Does it appeal to a large group of people whilst also conveying simple genuine sentiments? Is it interesting enough to be distinctive but not alienate it's intended audience? The answer is yes to all of these things. Whereas Radiohead, a band which shares several similarities and is much less successful when it comes to actually writing decent songs, is incapable of being criticised just because they play alternative music and define themselves as being different. It isn't cool to voice your distaste for them simply becasuse the style of music they make is more fashionable, even though it's frequently utter crap. Coldplay are more successful within their chosen genre and so they are, in my opinion, a better band than radiohead. Anyone who recognises the former but questions the latter is caught up in some stupid non-conformist philosophy and needs to grow up.

No... Sorry, but no. I would understand how vocal you're being if this was sometihng worth being passionate about (human rights, war, your mother, etc, etc) But this is just Radiohead. They're not offensive in any way! You do seem to stick in my mind as someone who argues a point jus for the sake of offending the people who stand by their opinion. I understand, there are many sides to all arguments, but why do you have to provoke?

I believe music is something worth being passionate about. You may not feel the same way, but then I don't entirely understand why you're here on this forum, why you read this thread or why you felt the need to add your comment to it.

I was merely offering my opinion, this opinion differs to some of the people here, if that is offensive to you, then you are simply intolerant and a bit of an asshole. Who is offended here other than you? I was actually really enjoying the discussion until you decided to add your idiotic little comment. Why does it offend you to consider an opinion that differs from your own? Are you really that pathetically insecure?

I never said radiohead were offensive, I said they're alienating, but why is that relevant? This is a dicussion on the merits of particular kinds of music. If it's not an important topic to you, then I ask again, why did you feel the need to comment in this thread?

I made a comment, then I was asked to elaborate and so I explained my stance. Someone made a rebuttal and I answered the points they raised. That's how a discussion works. I don't feel that anything I've said has been any more provocative than the creation of the thread in the first place, which in itself wasn't even provocative enough to comment on, so what's the problem?

I think it's interesting that you see me as someone who argues a point in order to offend people, when the only people in this thread to have used personal attacks of any kind were MultiplyDivide (whom I ignored because she actually had some relevant points aswell) and you. I argued my perspective to add something to this discussion, that's all. If you really have a problem with people not all agreeing on topics and simply want people to sprout acceptable established opinions about things I would encourage you to either get off the internet and cut off contact with all people who don't parrot your ideas back to you or just stop being such a wimpy douche.

I think this is your problem to be quite honest. You seem to be very easily offended by things that you give the impression don't really matter to you. But then maybe you just don't like the fact that I criticised radiohead and for some reason you are incapable of coming up with a response that expresses your opinion on the subject, so you decided you would just make a cheap personal attack against me. In any case you can shove your personal criticisms up your arse.  

(By the way, if you found this post offensive that isn't a symptom of you'r wimpy insecurity but rather a response to you being an asshole and offering unecessary personal criticisms for no justifiable reason)

Kinda want to say exactly that back at you. You always seem to express opinions where it's obvious you'll be challenged. I don't really care if you think I'm an asshole, I kinda like being one.

Well, good luck with that.